Linkefer (NA)
: Wanted to share my Birthday Cake
IS IT YOUR BIRTHDAY? MEE TOOOOOOOOOOOO! GG birthday bud!
: > [{quoted}](name=Obokuri,realm=NA,application-id=2XjzURgc,discussion-id=QGyGawoE,comment-id=001300000000,timestamp=2015-08-12T03:56:19.695+0000) > > I can get the feeling of "man wish these talented artists got more reprieve" but holy shit. This person who drew this might be that next GREAT artist. If you want to see more of those artists, dont come around here with your virtol dude. And as an artist, I know criticism is ESSENTIAL. but not outright, pure, unfiltered, assholery. > > I agree this might not be the most dynamic in positions, or its composistion. But its sure as hell better than some of us when we were starting out. > > Instead of spewing hatred and pure venom on young or new artists, why do you help them and get them to be those artists. Because I KNOW, you were a young artist who had some pretty 'shitty' work. We all did, so get off of your high horse and stay humble. Either do that, or go back to your own work and keep your mouth shut. > > No one likes an artist who talks shit and gives NOTHING in return. > > Best, > - Literally **EVERY** artist who started somewhere. Whoa Whoa Whoa calm yourself, unlike you lot I'm giving an **HONEST** opinion of the piece. Empathy upvotes are garbage in improving the artist will get absolutely **NO WHERE** without constructive criticism. If she doesn't know what she's doing wrong she can't fix it, if you can't handle negative comments about your art then you're not a true artist. As someone who draws I've had my fair share of people telling my art is straight up shit and it's those people who helped me to improve. If you need others praise to draw then idk. But I won't sit here and lie to the gal like you kissups. "No one likes an artist who talks shit and gives NOTHING in return." Ah I give nothing? oh okay honey what do you give? Get off your horse white knight.
You're an artist, or at least you sound like it. Pointing out what is wrong in a drawing is and providing NO SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEM. Is lazy critique. As an artist (and as an artist who is providing critique) you have a duty to help them grow, or help them understand what they need to work on. You can blunt, you can even be a bit crass. But when you are blunt and crass and you provide no solution to help them, all you're doing is being a bad artist in a community. But, what you I can tell already that you are not going to change how you work in a community, I'm going to go and leave you to provide nothing. peace and love bruh <3 have a good life
: > [{quoted}](name=WLANWPS,realm=NA,application-id=2XjzURgc,discussion-id=QGyGawoE,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2015-08-12T02:14:41.404+0000) > > THIS IS GARBAGE YO I'd have to agree, there's room for **major** _improvement._ The figures look to stiff and abnormally placed. The Pokemon idea is lame af and over used. Annie's hands look like playdough, and she looks like a anorexia patient. Is yr gf like 13? The background itself is just shit. I don't understand how artwork like this gets so much praise when I see amazing pieces get like 11 upvotes at best.
I can get the feeling of "man wish these talented artists got more reprieve" but holy shit. This person who drew this might be that next GREAT artist. If you want to see more of those artists, dont come around here with your virtol dude. And as an artist, I know criticism is ESSENTIAL. but not outright, pure, unfiltered, assholery. I agree this might not be the most dynamic in positions, or its composistion. But its sure as hell better than some of us when we were starting out. Instead of spewing hatred and pure venom on young or new artists, why do you help them and get them to be those artists. Instead of saying "this sucks you composistion sucks." say, "your composition could use some work try _____!" Because I KNOW, you were a young artist who had some pretty 'shitty' work. We all did, so get off of your high horse and stay humble. Either do that, or go back to your own work and keep your mouth shut. No one likes an artist who talks shit and gives NOTHING in return. Best, - Literally **EVERY** artist who started somewhere.
: Funny thing is, no one asked for the new Sion. I personally doubt they did it for the players, but for themselves. You can clearly tell when Riot talks about League that they're diehard fans of their own game which is both a blessing and a curse. Being a hardcore player of your own game creates bias, and their decisions show that bias.
This is very true, I actually have to agree with this. I feel like we liked the sion rework, even though some are sad about ahnulds leave. But buy and large, they do do a lot of things for themselves.
: Sion was an ancient and cheap champion that a lot of people already owned. They could've easily said "Fuck Sion" and devoted the resources used on him for a full-priced release. I'm not trying to say Rito is for the players, but their motivations aren't ever as simple as "money". I'd even say at this point that Riot is at a stage where how much shit costs barely even comes up in meetings.
And this is my point, Riot may have expensive skins a stuff, but they do things with us in mind. They have a free to play model and dont force you into buying things you dont want to buy.
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Elfezen (NA)
: Annie is just a little sexualized in the new, she looks way hotter than the old one but without being perverted http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110302012950/leagueoflegends/images/archive/8/8a/20130201190114!Annie_OriginalSkin.jpg http://nashor.com/pics/2874.jpg
I mean, there are more flames. I get the "hot" angle. Hot as in heat guys. I slay me...
: Why not? Spiders{{champion:60}} foxes{{champion:103}} even little kids are{{champion:1}} !
Okay, so Annie is not sexualized in her design. Lets get that out of the way. Whether or not the community wants to find a little girl _sexy_, is, quite frankly, on them. But you _"woke the beast"_, Lets get into this: - {{champion:60}} Elise, the Spider Queen (Ew, gross why are we finding spiders sexy?): When we are talking about basic character design, like real bare bones stuff, we gotta stick to archetypes and what's associated in those archetypes. The Seductress character is very sleek, very sexy (I know, obvious). But, when you add that element of a Femme Fatale, and you want another spooky character. The easy choice is a spider. I mean, Black Widow (Marvel Comics) gets her name from being that sexy seductress, but being able to kill you once you're in her proverbial "web." Same applies to Elise. She can kill you in a moments notice, but she can only do that if her looks draw you into her deathly grasp. Make sense? Now, lets talk Ahri. - {{champion:103}} Ahri, the Nine-Tailed Fox (Guys please stop with the weird sexy animals): In traditional Japanese folk lore the Fox spirit has the ability to turn into an attractive female human being, which really explains a lot about the idea of Ahri, I mean her whole kit is designed around the fact she knows her body don't quit. So I mean, it's really kind of necessary for her design to be sexy. Since, y'know, thats how she kills you. So, really it makes sense to "sexualize" these characters. I feel like, how you're using sexualize is different from these character's use of it. To these characters that you listed, sexualization is a necessary and practical to their identity. In fact, its where they get their power. Hope that kinda helps your definition, and sorry for writing a whole novel for you! Ya' boi, - Obokuri {{champion:157}} {{champion:432}}
: Just a idea.
I feel like this would invalidate Lucian's drive and his whole character. Like, where it is a cool idea, no doubt about that! All it does is fill up a hole in a characters heart. Heck, a CHARACTER DEFINING hole. But, I do dig the idea. It's just in a game like League of Legends, you have to make condensed versions of personality. But, you also have to have them be interesting and have a reason or purpose that explains why they are here, for Lucian. It's Senna's death (as well as his whole "CLEANSE THE SHADOOOOOWS" sort of thing) that drives him to do what he does. So, if Senna was to show up, He has no reason to fight anymore. It's just a bit too much character interaction than _League_ is set up to handle.
: Did you happen to catch the [Ekko Concept Timeline](http://apollo-na-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/1432919808/EkkoTimeline.jpg) we shared during his Q+A? I think it gives a pretty good look at the process to take him from "Time Assassin" to "Ekko, the Boy Who Shattered Time". Also, the [Tahm Kench Insights article](http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-preview/champion-insights-tahm-kench-river-king) has some of his concept art, as well as an art section describing the ideation process he went through. Not the champs you called out, unfortunately (those were before my time), but hopefully some cool stuff there that helps!
Yeah! The Ekko one was really helpful! I just wish there was something like that for the characters I listed. But this is still really helpful!
: please don't tell me you think Jinxs character is unique...
When you're dealing with character design and story design on a very basic scale. You have to work with archetypes. Archetypes make it easier to get the cut of a character's gib without a lot of exposition. So maybe her personality isn't necessarily the most unique. But her silhouettes stands out from a line up, and she is unlike anything in League right now. Her visuals tell more than her personality does. And thats pretty solid character design if you ask me. I mean, take my main man: {{champion:157}}, Yasuo. Personality wise he is just your dishonored samurai. Your basic Ronin character. Aragorn in LoTR is a great example of that. Your once proud warrior who, either through hubris or apathy, has fallen from honor. Who, now is on a quest for redemption. Like, you can't ever get a 100% original character. In fact, what makes good character design is taking those old archetypes and add a new, unique take on it. Sometimes it might always hit home as hard, which is Jinx's case. But, I think trying to find 100% unique characters in a game without really ANY ROOM for exposition. And I'm not saying Riot doesn't put thought into it's characters, but rather, I'm saying that its a really big request for these characters that we can't spend a whole long story learning about. That's all.
XeroKimo (NA)
: I remember Lucian's code name... The gun templar, man that name gave me the chills...... now it's the purifier....
> [{quoted}](name=XeroKimo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=tcKUNeL9,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-07-14T05:28:08.120+0000) > > I remember Lucian's code name... The gun templar, man that name gave me the chills...... now it's the purifier.... I kinda like "the purifier," I think it works well for his character. Instead of being like, a person who enforces the law or their agenda. He is a man driven by hatred to cleanse demons, because he himself was hurt by those same demons. Less order driven, and more vendetta driven. I kinda like it.
: I would like to see the concept art as well, I'm interested on the notes thou... what were theythinking when they came up with these designs
> [{quoted}](name=RogueWill,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=tcKUNeL9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-14T01:37:43.200+0000) > > I would like to see the concept art as well, I'm interested on the notes thou... what were theythinking when they came up with these designs Oh yeah for sure. That would be awesome as well. Hopefully this gets followed up c:
: Looked at your other thread real quick. I think they may have read the title and thought you were talking solely about champion concepts (that's literally what your title said) rather than the art for them, because there's a board more relevant for that. Basically make sure your title properly conveys the meaning of the post. Looks like it may have been a misunderstanding.
> [{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=bzRrPGQO,discussion-id=9XncXTVi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-14T01:39:38.222+0000) > > Looked at your other thread real quick. I think they may have read the title and thought you were talking solely about champion concepts (that's literally what your title said) rather than the art for them, because there's a board more relevant for that. > > Basically make sure your title properly conveys the meaning of the post. Looks like it may have been a misunderstanding. Yeah, I think so. Well, I feel kinda stupid now. But THE THREAD IS UP AND ALIVE. So, hopefully its good!
: I might not be seeing it in here, but what board did you post it to? and can you link me the thread? I can see it even if it's been deleted.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Baconhawk,realm=NA,application-id=bzRrPGQO,discussion-id=9XncXTVi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-14T01:36:00.364+0000) > > I might not be seeing it in here, but what board did you post it to? > > and can you link me the thread? I can see it even if it's been deleted. Oh crap whoops, my bad. I posted it in the _Story and Art_ boards. Old link: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/6kFXY1kR/d/JhnXEt5L New (hopefully not deleted link): http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/tcKUNeL9-rioters-champion-concepts-request?
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: Because Riot won't do it: Let's create a new map
I feel like Mount targon is in ionia, simply because of the whole Bard: Mountain video. However, it makes sense that its inbetween noxus and demacia, taking the bard mountain video into account. OH I was just reading about demacia via the wiki, and it says that it borders shurima, so I mean it'd be more accurate that it is like touching butts with the border of shurima, rather than having the mount targon area inbetween the two.
: Thank you thank youuuuu. 1. Photoshop. Wacom Intuous 4 2. I am actually graduating this week from Laguna College of Art and Design in the Game Art major. Check it out its a great school :). I actually had this idea of "two spirits in one champ" come to me randomly during high school and it stuck with me ever since. 3. No ideas currently for league hehe. Im actually focusing on other games right now. 4. I have an artstation (concept art social media site). artstation.com/artist/samuelyoun9
> [{quoted}](name=Rakoon Jesus,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=8hhT41YP,comment-id=004e0000,timestamp=2015-05-14T11:53:45.385+0000) > > Thank you thank youuuuu. > > 1. Photoshop. Wacom Intuous 4 > 2. I am actually graduating this week from Laguna College of Art and Design in the Game Art major. Check it out its a great school :). I actually had this idea of "two spirits in one champ" come to me randomly during high school and it stuck with me ever since. > 3. No ideas currently for league hehe. Im actually focusing on other games right now. > 4. I have an artstation (concept art social media site). artstation.com/artist/samuelyoun9 HOOO SHIT! Your artstation is uncut dope dude! I love it! Thats a follow, homie! But seriously, from one artist to another: Your shapes are awesome, and you find a way to (uniquely) blend realism and a cartoony style that I have really only seen from you! TL;DR Thats some dope shit son. Also, I am looking at colleges soon so thanks for the recommendation! I'm totally going to check it out! - (ya boy) Obokuri {{champion:157}} {{champion:432}}
: [Champion Concept] DhaMa, The Force of Balance
I just want to take a moment to seriously commend you on how official your art looks. I have so many questions for you! 1) What program do you use, do you use multiple? Additionally, what tablet do you use? 2) Are you self taught? What are your inspirations, what kinds of art or artists influence your art or this art in particular? 3) What other ideas are in your head that'd you like to see come to fruition? 4) WHERE CAN I CHECK YOU OUT?!? Thanks dude, seriously. Awesome art I love it so much!
: "A true master is an eternal student" -Master Yi Lifelong learning imo is understanding and accepting that there is always more to learn, and I find it comes from shift in perspective. How much you know is a pin head compared to the vastness of everything you don't know. Never accepting that you have plateau'd and constantly striving to broaden your horizons makes you a lifelong learner.
> [{quoted}](name=Sincarnation,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Q3b7htEG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-04-30T19:59:55.002+0000) > > "A true master is an eternal student" -Master Yi > > Lifelong learning imo is understanding and accepting that there is always more to learn, and I find it comes from shift in perspective. How much you know is a pin head compared to the vastness of everything you don't know. Never accepting that you have plateau'd and constantly striving to broaden your horizons makes you a lifelong learner. HA! Awesome master Yi quote man! thanks for the input!
Obokuri (NA)
: @Rioters Lifelong Learning: What does lifelong learning mean to you?
I think that is a really good way to go about it, Thank you so much for your answer! That is certainly going to help me find my own definition, KEEP THE OPINIONS COMING!
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Kawdie (EUW)
: Any chance we can see some of the concepts that have been drawn up for him? With a disclaimer of course.
> [{quoted}](name=Kawdie,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=gEKAkdFJ,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2015-02-13T19:44:12.689+0000) > > Any chance we can see some of the concepts that have been drawn up for him? With a disclaimer of course. Most likely not. #legalbullshit
: Not Sure About One Of My Champ Concepts Anymore.....
Let me preface this by saying: I hate to say this. That said, I think you need to scrap it. Or at least, Finish it because you want to. Not because you want to see it in league. Finish the character for you. It is just too thematically similar to DJ Sona. Which sucks man, seriously. I feel you. But, the timing couldn't have been worse. I mean, for the longest time I have wanted another martial artist in the game. One that would actually use more kicks and punches. Styles, things like that. But, Udyr and Lee Sin have already taken that spot. It always sucks when a character is too similar to another. So, I'd just say that the world isn't over. Additionally, this isn't the end for your character! Seriously, finish it man! There is no harm in a finished character! Never! Hope your next character design is more successful than this! I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product!
: Dear Riot
Damn, true eloquence. Riot is great tho
: Apparently Riot doesn't think very much of me.
re gifted amumu is a skin bro.. [](http://img2.leaguecraft.com/lol-splash-art/asset/wallpaper_760px_212.jpg)
: What dis guy said :) So long as you meet the requirements, you should be getting a skin! Don't fret if the automatic system happens to somehow miss you - the gifting team in charge of this will be checking their list twice at the end. {{item:2043}}
> [{quoted}](name=RiotNurseFlan,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=lnTjz16b,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-01-10T23:45:09.749+0000) > > What dis guy said :) > So long as you meet the requirements, you should be getting a skin! Don't fret if the automatic system happens to somehow miss you - the gifting team in charge of this will be checking their list twice at the end. > {{item:2043}} Okay cool! Since you're here, Carry on the message: We love you guys and what you all are doing! keep it up!
Obokuri (NA)
: 5 day wait time on mystery skins normal?
Alright Cool, thats good to hear. Awesome!
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Pokeprof (NA)
: Mmm, I don't know why, but I kinda would like to see Taric with rather short hair. You mentioned how maybe he should be a bit more gentlemanly? One character that league already has that makes me thing Gentleman is Jayce, so maybe a similar stlye of hair to that? I personally think it might either be a bit longer, or a bit more spikey to better go along with his gem feel. Jayce feels, to a lot of players I think, to be a bit more out going and maybe a bit full of himself. Taric would be the opposite. Reserved, fully understanding what he's capable of, and putting thought before action.
> Mmm, I don't know why, but I kinda would like to see Taric with rather short hair. You mentioned how maybe he should be a bit more gentlemanly? One character that league already has that makes me thing Gentleman is Jayce, so maybe a similar stlye of hair to that? I personally think it might either be a bit longer, or a bit more spikey to better go along with his gem feel. Jayce feels, to a lot of players I think, to be a bit more out going and maybe a bit full of himself. Taric would be the opposite. Reserved, fully understanding what he's capable of, and putting thought before action. I see that, but like. I think a sort of disheveled, shaggy style would make Taric's redesign read more like, "This is an actually RE design of the character" and not a new character that shares qualities. Though, Sion is not the same at all. So, who knows what Riot will do with the redesign. I have mad faith though.
: I'm a big fan of Asymmetrical stuff as a sort of "modern" style. But it doesn't make -much- sense for armor.
> I'm a big fan of Asymmetrical stuff as a sort of "modern" style. But it doesn't make -much- sense for armor. Hey, Asymmetry is very possible in Armor. And, the idea of this robe like coat is also super do-able for a taric redesign. I personally believe asymmetry is a beautiful thing in fantasy. If the idea of asymmetry makes it in Taric's final (re)design, he has the potential of becoming this image of Gemstone fury. Looking fierce while bashing people with a giant gem hammer. [EDIT] In my (humble) opinion, Taric has insane potential of becoming a really cool character. Now, currently he is kinda jokey and fun. Sort of like Sion was (R.I.P Aahnuld). I think the beauty of Taric's potential is that he can be redesigned as a kick butt character, while retaining the jokey feel that makes him, him.
Obokuri (NA)
: I think whats important to consider is what makes Taric, Taric. Sleek styles is something that is lacking in current taric
SO, with that said. Taric currently is very rocky (which makes sense). But harsh edges is something that is hard to find in a fashionista sense.
IFraserAu (OCE)
: Actually, I believe Thor is thematically a really good starting point for the image of modern hero, and as such maybe Taric himself. Along the same line, a cape may be something to consider - further tying his character to fashion and image.
I think whats important to consider is what makes Taric, Taric. Sleek styles is something that is lacking in current taric
Obokuri (NA)
: But do you see what I mean with the sort of... Charm that Fandral emits?
: Ok, so there's something here.. A LOT of costume design of today's movies dealing with comic book heroes does this REALLY well. In fact, Thor is probably one of the best executed fashion+fantasy designs I've seen in forever. The designers manage to make classical fantasy feel with more modern materials, motifs and style. I'm interested in going down this rabbit hole, maybe not so much of THIS particular character, but in this vein of costume exploration in particular.
But do you see what I mean with the sort of... Charm that Fandral emits?
: So what do you guys wanna do with Taric? PART III. The Modern Man's Paladin.
Personally, I think Taric should have this kinda swarthy charm that makes him sorta mordern. Fandral from the thor movies is a good example IMO [](http://static.tumblr.com/uowc4nu/PSQmaqyva/fandral.jpg)
Xonra (NA)
: > You hit the nail right on the head with explaining how whoever gets dragon first wins the game because that was exactly my argument as well. I literally said the exact same concerns that you did so it's nice to know that someone else feels the same way about dragon as I do. This couldn't be further from the truth. It is far from "whoever gets dragon first wins the game". I'm not sure what about it makes you feel that way. I'm being honest here, not trash talking. I'm legit curious.
I cannot speak for samuraiheart, but I personally felt that whoever got dragon in the early game was the team with more items, then all they have to do is ward dragon, when the other (dragonless) team tries to take it. They can steal it thus gaining more buffs only further pushing the team behind. However, as I read more about dragon and also attempt to understand the plan rioters have for our beloved moba. I start to understand how dragon is less of an OP buff, and more of a tool that, when used properly, can bring a team back in as opposed to push them back. It all depends on how the losing team deals with it. That is how I have come to understand it anyway.
Kuroi86 (NA)
: The buff is good, and if your team is snowballing it can be a good way to secure your snowball. But on the flip side, going for Drag can leave openings for the enemy team to take Baron or a tower which means more gold for them. There is a trade off.
Hmm, I am not sure I am quite grasping the full idea of the trade. Mainly because I feel that Dragon is the bigger objective (maybe because of my ranking). But, I have no doubt that in higher levels of play there are trade offs for dragon. However, there is probably going to take some time for the lower levels of skill to learn this trade off and/or how dragon works in general. Thanks for the contribution!
Brotha (NA)
: It motivates players in the support role to buy and use their sweepers to set up the area for ~~drake~~ dragon. Junglers will be expected to do this as well to ensure secure dragons. It motivates team mates to communicate and work together. Of course this is League, but I have faith people will learn and adapt to it. As for people Auto winning dragon due to stacked buffs, I just lost a game where we had 3 dragons v 2 dragons on enemy team, both of which they got after landing catches on team mates in the late game. I personally feel drake is a balanced and fun addition.
So, it adds an incentive for teamwork? I see that, and I also have faith people will adapt. Hopefully, it just needs more time for me and my usual teammates who I get matched with. Also, thank you for your contribution to the conversation!
: You hit the nail right on the head with explaining how whoever gets dragon first wins the game because that was exactly my argument as well. I literally said the exact same concerns that you did so it's nice to know that someone else feels the same way about dragon as I do.
Well I am glad we are on the same page. I just hope that a Rioter weighs in so I, nay, We can get some clarity as to how the Dragon buff is supposed to be utilized in the upcoming season.
: I have noticed. Kha will still have a solid late game if he can get there. They should have increased the gold of jungle camps or at least not raised their damage so much. The "wraiths" should not almost kill me.
Key term there is "if he can get there."
: FINALLY someone who agrees with me I've been complaining about the new dragon buff system for a bit and I felt like I nobody else felt the way I do but yes I wholeheartedly agree that I do not approve or like the new dragon system at all!!!!
What don't you like about it exactly? Did I say it? If so, explain. If not, please elaborate.
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Lyte (NA)
: Rewards for positive play
I think I am gonna do decent on this "Positive Logs Challenge" So, sign me up. Lets see if I have been lying to myself when I say "you're a good person" in the mirror.{{item:3070}}
: We'd prefer that Champion/Skins concepts go on the Skins & Champion Concepts board. That's a better place to have a broad ideation discussion. This board is definitely meant to be a player line to the devs and the devs to the players. Glad you're excited!
Okay, cool. That is what I thought. Man, I am so happy Riot has been more player involved in the recent months, not that you guys weren't already, but it just seems like the player to company link is getting stronger with every waking moment.
: Everybody Arts!
I like this board, its gonna be nice to go to an open forum place where summoners can talk to rioters about how their favorite characters/environments are created. And, this isn't going to be a champion creation type forum is it? Where people are posting champion + skin ideas all over town, not that that is bad. I am just wondering.

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