: If the other team has an actual Intentional Feeder......don't kill the feeder.
Nah. Besides, saying "I know this guy sucks, and I'm sorry he's doing this. Thus, I'll make him powerless," will fucking CHAT RESTRICT you on the spot. After all, acknowledging the feeder is a reportable offense.
Prandine (NA)
: 1) The mute button is not a get out of jail free card and is meant to be a band-aid solution at most. 2) Riot tried perma-mutes in the form of infinite chat restrictions. What they found was not only did that not help with reform but most people with them just resorted to gameplay-related means of griefing their teammates instead. From [Riot Tantram:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/wsObUaFj-if-tyler1?comment=00010001000000000000) > It really breaks down into two categories. > > 1.) Helping players reform > 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost. > > We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely. > > We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it. > > We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling. > > The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS. > > So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat? If someone isn't gonna behave properly despite being given multiple chances to do so then why shouldn't they be removed from the game?
Why can't Riot actually treat people who rage at their teammates and people who legitimately troll matches as the two separate kinds of people that they are? One legitimately causes the other to exist, and Riot banning the other causes the first to exist, which perpetuates the cycle Riot claims to be against.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: Which makes it all the more important to break the cycle via early permabans rather than let it continue endlessly by letting permanent chat restrictions create more trolls, which in turn get more people punished.
I don't think you understand. I just got a feeding troll who harassed me all game, I told him to fuck off, and I got banned. Do you honestly believe that I would want to become one of these trolls if I didn't get punished for being upset at other trolls? Because that's literally quite the opposite. I'm willing to make a brand new account, troll every single game I play in broken English (so it looks like I'm just unskilled instead of trolling to Riot's AI Gestapo), bait people into responding, and get them chat restricted, SOLELY because it happened to me so many fucking times. Riot is breeding their own trolls by letting everyone know you'll get defended on the boards by people like you who say the people whose accounts they've compromised are the real problem.
Saezio (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iUHPJNTm,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-01-14T02:22:03.104+0000) > > _<Removed>_ If they didn't want toxicity on their platform, they would ban IPs. So fuck that excuse.
Well, technically, they can't do that because some people play in public areas, such as internet cafes and universities. I wish, though.
: Perma bans for being TOXIC should be removed
I love how about 99% of people who get chat-banned got it from "feeding the trolls."
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: But it is more difficult to detect and has a larger impact on people. Giving the few people who would profit from a permanent mute yet another chance isn't worth the additional damage to the experience of regular non-toxic players. The decision of **when** to issue a permaban is a balancing act, always has been. So having something "ultimately" lead to a permaban is hardly relevant.
That larger impact it has on people is making them get upset enough to complain in the chat, which leads to them getting banned as well. That's the horrible part.
Jamaree (NA)
: They tried chat banning, the problematic people deadset on being toxic were just toxic in other ways.
The real toxic people do that anyways, and it gets OTHER people chat-banned for getting upset at it.
: Its a game, not a life-or-death struggle. You don't have to defend yourself. Mute, report, move on. And honestly, what did you expect to happen when you started harassing her? For her to stop trolling? That's not how that works. The entire point of trolling is to get negative reactions from people. Why would she stop if she's getting what she wants from you?
Maybe I spent the other 80% of my chat begging her to follow the team instead of dying alone? It was fucking ranked. Why would anyone prefer to "mute, lose lp and move on" over trying to win if they weren't held at gunpoint by Riot's AI Gestapo?
: I mean, you are harassing Camille as well by constantly pointing out her behavior. You don't have to explain what she's doing to everyone constantly. They can see what she's doing, and she knows what she's doing. You blaming her for the loss and talking about how useless she is isn't going to make things better for anyone, especially you. If anything, you talking about her in chat might actually have made her troll more, since I know for a fact people do not like you saying negative things about them or telling them what to do.
You mean 24 minutes in, after she died multiple times and relentlessly harassed all of us? I'm single-handedly the only factor in her trolling, simply because I defended myself in chat?
: To get someone banned, you report them. Multiple people reporting someone does not do anything more than a single report does. Do not ask for reports. Do not broadcast reportable offenses. If you see someone breaking a rule, all you have to do is report it.
I always wonder about that. If that's true, why does "Blitzcrank Bot" say, "Here are some chat logs from games where you were heavily reported:" when you submit a ticket? Why 'heavily?'
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: I've had 11 chat bans on one account! What do people have to do to get actual account suspensions? :/
Apparently "Why is our 2/13/1 top laner bitching at me for taking towers" is bannable enough
: Suspended permanently or temporarily?
You're unable to talk to your friends either way.
: Yes this is how the MMR System works. If you are a good player it will place Dumb as Rocks players on your team to push you to 50%. Also New accounts will climb much faster then an account that has 1000 Ranked games. The system does not handle old accounts well because you are so close to 50% any wins will be quickly offset by a game with afkers or run down mid feeders. The system is complete TRASH and I Grade schooler could design a better one.
Cycera (NA)
: what the heck suspended accounts should totally be able to access the client to at least chat with people...I mean, what are they afraid of? Refunds? Not like you can use the rp/be for anything else or return the rp...
Funny how this punishment is much more cruel than anything anyone could have ever said in chat to warrant it, huh.
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: ***
How dare you. Do you think the "game" part is all League had? I met a lot of friends on here. Good friends. Great friends! And now the ones I didn't immediately add on Discord are just gone, left to wonder what happened! Funny how hundreds of people can enjoy your company enough to add you as a friend, but all it takes are just a few trolls willing to bully you in-game long enough to elicit a response in order to deem you "objectively toxic."
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: You people need to get off your persecution complex. Mages aren't forced to leave mid, they have always enjoyed having high impact bot lane where they don't have to lane against OTHER MAGES.
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They should put a troll gamemode on the weekly rotation that simply lets us stack unique passives, solely to see what whacky combinations we come up with
kabena (EUW)
: New PC
Fiddle with the settings in a Practice Tool match, the answers should be there
: Do assists mean anything?
People are just dumb when they forget to mention it
Rioter Comments
: They can count it as 5 or they can count it as 50. In the end they don't have the trophies they want, just the knowledge that some people were punished - knowledge that a quick look at the Player Behavior board could tell them.
And since people can get in trouble on here for literally any small thing, I'm sure they're entirely content with that.
Sasogwa (EUW)
: Armor pen is infinitely healthier than true damage
: There was a group of people that started "ban baiting" others and using the feedback reports as trophies. Shortly after that the feedback reports became much less common.
Something tells me they still do it, but when they get one, they count it as 5.
: Considering we see people on here complain about dropping from Honor 4 and 5 down to H1 or 0. I'm going with the notifications are just unreliable.
Well, they should fix both of them. If I'm gonna be stuck down here for "minor" offenses, I should at LEAST not have to live knowing someone else can get away with that. <removed by moderation>
: That alert is notoriously unreliable: it's not something you get every time a punishment is issued. While I do wish more feedback was given, Honor doesn't figure into punishments in any way, and it's VERY likely that player was punished for that behavior.
Is the alert truly notoriously unreliable, or are Riot's soulless AI Gestapo blaming the alerts for their own unreliability? Seeing first-hand how awful they can get, it's almost safe to assume the worst.
: > From what I gather, insulting yourself is bannable, swearing at no one in particular is bannable, play the game and saying report the obviously-feeding teammate is bannable, playing the darn GAME is bannable. Bots, no matter how well written, dont understand context reliably. Shit, _humans_ seem to fail horribly at such advanced mental arts as sarcasm, correctly deducing context, or recognizing irony. In general, there is no reason to do any of those things, and a lot of extremely toxic players hide behind excuses of humor or "just playing around". If you received a punishment that you think is in error, feel free to post logs or send a support ticket to dispute it. Most of the time OP just turns out to be a delusional, entitled brat, and not the recipient of an erroneous punishment.
Inversely, would it not be safe to assume that some very cruel, cold-hearted heathens will use this logic to punish their legitimately sarcastic teammates, solely because they know they can? I did that to someone once, and it worked. Am I proud of it? No, but I was curious enough to try. Riot's bots are fucked.
GenoXx (NA)
: CertainlyT is fine
They should leave CertainlyT in charge of co-op game modes instead.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Things I want to see in 2019
The Practice tool needs a rework, honestly. They should make it so if you ping an item, or a jungle camp, or a champion, or a dummy, etc, etc, it would pull out a list of options for you to fiddle with, such as stats, movement, levels, or item-specific things like Arc Staff stacks, or Nasus Q stacks. Too bad that won't help them sell skins!
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You think it's bad in Plat? Imagine Silver where Riot sends all the newcomers who are either iron dogshit or challenger smurfs
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Dukues (NA)
: Riot Balance & Design teams have cured my addiction
Aren't you lucky? Some of us have to get banned before that happens!
: Sometimes, I wonder why Rioters no longer respond to us, but the answer has become more apparent.
Topic: Why Riot doesn't listen to us Conclusion: Fuck these boards because they call me an e-girl okay
: Just tried it in norms and it worked.Thanks
Thanks for not trying it in ranked first like everyone else I'm forced to play with
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: God the Galio changes feel good
Oh boy, I sure love when building damage makes you do less damage than building tanky
: Zed'W backwards
Each Zed shoots a shuriken in the direction of the cursor, so if the cursor is between Zed and his shadow, they'll throw shurikens to the middle Aka, actually look where the big blue pointers are when you press Q
usul1202 (NA)
: But why would you go out of your way to be an asshole to a stranger? They're not the ones who wronged you...
Because this is the only way to have fun in a game where you either Troll or Get Banned! I've played thousands of games hoping for at least one person with any redeeming quality to them, and after those thousands of games passed, I gave up. No one is redeemable in this shit game. Not in this shit ELO I've found them in, at least.
: There needs to be more warning when you're about to ban a teammate's hover
Or he was just trolling, and said he felt terrible solely so the IFS didn't nail him
: Is neeko too strong?
Wait for her to sell enough skins, and then she'll get nerfed
Rioter Comments
: I don’t really get what you mean, because of course there’s going to be games where you get matched with a bad player, but you have to realize league of legends is a mental game and instead of wasting your time typing and getting more tilted, you can stay positive and try to win. However that’s the thing though, it’s so hard to stay positive and not flame your teamates in times where there playing like a ape, but if Riot adds chat restrictions, so you aren’t able to spend all game typing then players will focus more time into gameplay.
Dynikus (NA)
: >I of course had to tell this Draven how absolutely fucking sickening he is for torturing everyone else in a RANKED GAME Yes, of course, you had to. There's no possible way you could have gone on without berating someone for not playing a video game to your standards. I think physically ruining the game is worse than flaming, and should be punished more than it is. I don't tilt off flame, I either just ignore it or mute the person if they're particularly bad. But flaming someone doesn't make the game an enjoyable experience for anyone, and just because I don't let things like that get to me, doesn't mean nobody does.
I think physically ruining the game is worse, too. But when it happens, why is it the people whose games are getting ruined in trouble for being upset enough to talk about it? Who gives a shit about flame? Honestly, who in the world would prefer some troll feeder in their game over someone who gets mad but still has enough brain cells to actually play?
: League of Legends should add chat restrictions on ranked
Well, when a support goes in just to see their ADC stand still or auto some minions, do you truly believe there's anything left for that support to do aside from unleash the sheer rage his sickening ADC filled him with? Would you rather the support go in a second time, just for the ADC he already loathes to not go in a second time?
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