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TomiMan7 (EUNE)
: How did you exactly checked that the dmg wasnt enhanced?
I just watched the numbers in a Practice Tool game. While slowed, the ticks alternated between the slowed and non-slowed values each half-second (with a single stack of Blaze).
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: hears the thing her spiderlings damage does not scale with ap they scale with levels in her r and shes built like a bruiser becuase she has to get into meele range to do most of her damage so she needs to be beefy edit: i just checked an i was wrong they do have an ap scaling but its a shitty 10% not worth
> [{quoted}](name=jamiesilvermoon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=cVR58MK5,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-04-12T23:56:41.113+0000) > > hears the thing her spiderlings damage does not scale with ap they scale with levels in her r and shes built like a bruiser becuase she has to get into meele range to do most of her damage so she needs to be beefy > edit: i just checked an i was wrong they do have an ap scaling but its a shitty 10% not worth She only needs a few seconds to her burst, so you can play like an assassin and wait for enemy cooldowns before diving in, or catch someone out, or perhaps duel. And for the most part she'll have 5 spiderlings lategame, which is 50% AP. Spiderform on-hit is 30%, which is 80% per autoattack altogether. I haven't tried it personally but on paper it seems like good ratio damage, even if you only get a few autos in with your Frenzy. Her Q ratios are still below average against squishies even lategame, but I think her auto damage may make up for it. (Bump)
: Concept for an AP Elise Build
Ah, Fiora might be faster. I`ll change that bit.
: Concept for an AP Elise Build
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: Can we buff Elise?
These are my ideas on more damage-based builds for elise and if they're viable. I've done some thinking, and I noticed how Elise rarely gets in many autoattacks against targets. But when you think about it, most of her ratio damage is on her spider form on-hit and spiderlings. Which can potentially spam those ratios with her spider W active. She has a 1-2 second stun on her cocoon, but it takes about a second to rappel to the target. But what about Gunblade on her? I think this would let her be an effective assassin. A pretty strong 2s slow should really help her reach her maximum damage potential, which I think might be huge. The extra AD is also put to good use with her AS burst, she puts both lifesteal and spell vamp to decent use, and they also stack with her existing spider W sustain, which would be good in turn if you're building her full AP, maybe giving her Akali-like sustain for dueling/small-scale fighting. And the AP build in turn increases the Gunblade active burst, which all in all provides some more damage between her % health poke and execute. If your team could use the extra beef or you just prefer it, tanky AP could also work with Rylai's for the slow and Liandry's plus Zhonya's and Abyssal (or Athene's), like Rumble. She doesn't have his AoE DPS but she has poke, low CD single target nukes for procing full Rylais, utility in her stun, and some burst and DPS burst in her spider W. I know this is a less unusual idea, but I'm wondering about its overall viability as well. Honestly I'm a sucker for being versatile and able to do a lot of different things (like an assassin/mage with stun, poke, range, and can be played everywhere but ADC... and rappel!), and I've become kind of infatuated with Elise and my ideas for her. But I can't actually try any of this out due to with what seems to be a degree of carpal tunnel, and can't really game for a good while. Anyway, do you guys think these are good builds for her (primarily the AP Assassin)? As a final note, I know she's mostly been built almost full tank, and I agree with those that say that that really doesn't match her kit at all. Even me who loves being versatile doesn't really care for that. I would rather just play Zac, one of my other favorite champions. Whose kit also seems pretty loaded >,< Anyway, there's probably a good reason people build her tank instead of the ways I've mentioned, but I'm really interested in them, especially the assassin and wanted some feedback. I hope they are viable, and that she doesn't get reworked or overnerfed in that case, so I can enjoy playing her that way in the future. Tl;dr: Gunblade AP assassin Elise?

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