: Cute bubbly girls: {{champion:117}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:1}} Cute bubbly bois: {{champion:32}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:20}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:150}} It's pretty even, in fact I could include MORE boys on the cute factor, Rumble, Kled, even Corki, and Ezreal to an extent.
> [{quoted}](name=CamedInYourBoi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2019-04-25T20:59:13.812+0000) > > Cute bubbly girls: {{champion:117}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:1}} > > Cute bubbly bois: {{champion:32}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:20}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:150}} > > It's pretty even, in fact I could include MORE boys on the cute factor, Rumble, Kled, even Corki, and Ezreal to an extent. Uhm, you've got a LOT of questionable characters on this list. Annie is NOT BUBBLY. She's a fucking pyromaniac child who likes to watch things burn. That's homicidal, not bubbly. Amumu isn't bubbly AT ALL. He's the antithesis of bubbly. He's Charlie Brown, except he's dead. I'd also toss Teemo in there (he's verging on psychopathic and sadistic). Heimerdinger is also not bubbly, he's gleeful, but he doesn't have the same quality you see when discussing a bubbly personality. Kennen also falls into this, he's not even close to bubbly, and despite his cute voice, he's a very serious natured character. Veigar, also is not bubbly, he's got delusions of grandeur and wants to be wicked. Fizz and Gnar kinda qualify though. You have to think of a child-like personality when it comes to bubbly, it's not just excitement - it's also that innocent curiosity, a tiny bit of blissful ignorance, and a plucky attitude. Someone like Timmy Turner, SpongeBob Squarepants, Steven Universe, Chowder - all of these people are bubbly.
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T20:11:27.929+0000) > > I can describe him. Narcisist, self-centered, cocky, petulant, arrogant, privileged, prissy. You got a hate for Ez? Besides, most of his tendencies can be completely explained by his upbringing, but I won't get into that debate again. > Bubbly often has child-like innocence, bright eyed natures, a sense of wonder and curiosity, maybe even a touch of stupidity because they don't understand how the world works yet. Basically SpongeBob Squarepants, Timmy Turner, Billy Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Finn (Adventure Time), Steven (Steven Universe), Dexter (Dexter's Lab), and so forth. Exactly and that's not how Ez is at all. He's not what we're looking for.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T21:30:49.029+0000) > > You got a hate for Ez? Besides, most of his tendencies can be completely explained by his upbringing, but I won't get into that debate again. > They are, but you can't really deny that all of these descriptors capture his personality. Whether you view them negatively or not is another matter, but that is how he presents himself. > Exactly and that's not how Ez is at all. He's not what we're looking for. Yes! I think the issue may lie in the fact that most people don't know how to define bubbly. I guess that's why there's been a distinct lack of male bubbly characters.
Haze97 (EUW)
: ***
As much as he bathes in ignorance, I will actually step up and defend Moody. He has, from time to time, actually said some things that are sound, valid, and reasonable. Granted, like 90% of the time he's shitposting or spouting insane nonsense, but he still does pop out with something good now and again.
: Still, the highlight that she's a cat doesn't fall outside the boundaries for how yordles look; this is why I reiterated {{champion:45}} specifically. The fact that she may or may not reside within Bandle City is also irrelevant, since we have {{champion:42}}, {{champion:74}}, {{champion:78}}, and again, {{champion:45}}
It most certainly does fall outside of the boundaries for how Yordles look. Some have feline feaures, like the little noses - but please note they have FEATURES, they are not complete, fully realized cats like Yuumi is. That's like saying that Whales are Dolphins because they have blowholes. Also, I don't get why you bring up Veigar specifically? He's not any more cat like than any of the other Yordles we've seen. He's not literally a black cat, because if you compare his Omega Squad splash to modern Yordles like Kled, they're extremely similar, the major difference being that Veigar is black in color. https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Veigar_9.jpg https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Heimerdinger_0.jpg https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Kled_0.jpg Additionally, nothing in what I've said has had any regard to Yordles being required to reside in Bandle City, so I don't know why you are bringing that point up.
: {{champion:17}}/{{champion:115}}/{{champion:45}}, I've said this before, the only yordles with a roughly uniform appearance are the *~~meglings~~* ({{champion:117}}/{{champion:78}}/{{champion:18}}) Specific reiteration to {{champion:45}}, he's literally a black cat
Well they're all Yordles now, and the three males you listed are notably older than Poppy and Tristana's VGUs.
iChimp (NA)
: Nah I'm not saying big players I'm saying maybe whatever magic is keeping everyone out of Bandle City was probably orchestrated by this new champion
Since her reveal and teaser, it would appear that your theory about Yuumi being a Celestial is off the mark. She's a pet or apprentice of some sort to a master she's searching for, and was formerly a denizen of Bandle City. I don't believe that the theory of Celestial intervention or machinations in regards to Bandle City is correct. It has more to do with the fact that Yordles are a secretive, mystical race of beings that don't want humans or other beings to find or interfere with their home city.
Exıtus (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xcxEN3c,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-25T15:00:47.247+0000) > > Ahri matches her splash art, so I don't particularly see how that's somehow a disqualifier? In terms of actual model, Ahri has more modernized animation (albeit she is missing a homeguard and recall), and a more modernized VO, and her model is in fairly good condition. She's not perfect, nor is she completely up to modern standards, but other champions, like Sona, Teemo, Veigar, and more, are in FAR FAR FAR worse states than she is. Sona's model looks REALLY good compared to the others. She got a new modern model with her 2015 update after all. Her model's face looks very pretty so I wouldn't include Sona with the others you mentioned. That being said, for Ahri I'd just love her model to be freshened up. Nothing drastic. Just give her a more modern model with a new rig so she can get new running/walking animations which were the problem they couldn't do just that in the first place because her rig was so old. Give her new tails that actually look soft and fluffy and more white would be nice. No more low quality blurry faces on her skins. I'm mostly talking about Classic, Dynasty, Foxfire, Midnight, Popstar and Arcade (I have no idea why Arcade's face is so...poor quality for a modern skin). Honestly though they need to do this with a lot of champions. They should just start rolling out VUs to models of older champions they don't plan on giving massive VGUs to. And I don't mean drastic updates.
The problem with Sona is not the model. They put new upholstery on a rotten chair. She moves like shit, and her animations age her a helluva lot more than her model looks. They should not have kept that spastic, twitchy animation package for Sona is they wanted us to even think she's modernized. That alone is reason enough for me to say she needs to go back to the drawing board. Plus, her VO is still horribly outdated. You're asking for a full VU on Ahri, that's not a freshening up. Everything you described can ONLY be accomplished by a ground up visual update. It would take a massive amount of work for this to happen, as that part of the VGU is considerably more larger than the actual GU part. It took them like 6 months to do what you asked for Ezreal, so to claim it's just simple, small work is grossly understating what is involved in a VU.
Vekkna (NA)
: I intended these as examples where gameplay was updated or polished in a way that showed restraint and respected player investment in the champ. I think they were successes because they improved the champs without doing much to alienate existing players. A few other points: * MF and Karma are in the same boat in terms of animations and being incomplete. So which is it? * When you say "VGU" that means "Riot deletes the champ and starts over from scratch." That's the exact thing I'm saying is bad. * Champs like Zyra and Kat are, again, in the same boat as MF with their ancient VO * At this point, most of the older looking champs have received texture updates on super old skeletons. I think Morg-Ez level updates would look great on champs like Kat, Yi, Sona, Janna, Karma, etc.
Cassiopeia, then, should not be on that list. She was given a kit update in 2014 that completely butchered her previous playstyles and tacked on a horrendous stacking mechanic. The update again in 2016 then reverted a good deal of that 2014 update and made an effort to modernize her kit as it was originally. To use her as an example of Riot respecting player investment and experience with the champion is a joke, since the whole reason it happened was consistent outrage with the 2014 kit update. Lux's "update" wasn't even a kit update. It just added an "on kill" reward to her R, that was it. Same goes for Heimerdinger and Elise - nothing in their kits really changed, just a new passive on Heimer and other extremely minor tweaks. All three were more along the line of live balance changes than actual kit updates. The rest did get kit streamlining that did respect the originals, I'll give you that though. As for your points - - Karma and Miss Fortune are _by no means in the same boat._ Karma got an ENTIRE animation package with her VGU, a new VO, and a new model, and was fairly complete for her time of release. Sure, a lot of people have a stick up their ass about Karma and what they believe should have happened in her rework, but she ticks off the boxes. Miss Fortune _is not complete in the slightest._ She DID NOT receive a new animation package and she DID NOT receive a new VO. She's still running on the same animation package she was launched with back in 2010, and still has that exact same antiquated VO. She doesn't even have a proper recall, so to even compare her to Karma is just ridiculous. - As I've mentioned above, Miss Fortune didn't really get any substantial work. Just her kit and her model. It was half-assed and should have been Ezreal scale, but they were lazy. So Zyra and Kat are not in the same boat as Miss Fortune. Their VOs are also not ancient. Zyra and Kat's VGU were both released in 2012, when they were starting to establish more modern guidelines. They don't have tons of taunts like modern VOs, but neither of them talk to the summoner, and they both have enough lines to give them a slightly diverse dialogue when playing them. Their VOs are extremely low priority compared to champions like Miss Fortune, Alistar, Veigar, and others who's VO are years older than 2012. - Texture updates don't fix anything. They're not model updates, so they don't actually change the hideous shape of older characters like Veigar or Dr. Mundo. As I mentioned, Karma was updated in 2013, as was Master Yi, and Katarina in 2012. They are _by no means_ in a bad place, nor are their animations remotely close to being as bad as those like Dr. Mundo, Blitzcrank, Miss Fortune, Veigar, or Alistar are still saddled with. They do not need work, Ezreal level or more, in any point in the near future. Sona and Janna though, they DO need more extensive work, their models and animation packages are wretched and outdated.
: Probably because if it was a guy it will immediately be coined as the openly gay character and riot doesn't want to open that box of worms.
> [{quoted}](name=IAintDarius,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2019-04-25T20:12:21.735+0000) > > Probably because if it was a guy it will immediately be coined as the openly gay character and riot doesn't want to open that box of worms. All of these characters would qualify as bubbly: http://i.cdn.turner.com/v5cache/CARTOON/site/Images/i22/chow_chowder_174x252.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3b/SpongeBob_SquarePants_character.svg/220px-SpongeBob_SquarePants_character.svg.png https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/f/f3/Original_Finn.png/revision/latest?cb=20120921151658 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/f/f0/Steven_Shield_WD.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20160406110631 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/nicktoons/images/1/12/Timmy_Turner2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160611053553 http://clipart-library.com/img1/267522.gif https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/ce/All_3_eds.png/200px-All_3_eds.png
SanKakU (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ApothNinja,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-25T17:49:34.713+0000) > > {{champion:427}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:17}}
> [{quoted}](name=SanKakU,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-04-25T19:52:43.029+0000) > > {{champion:3}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:17}} None of these champions qualify. To get a sense of bubbly, think of SpongeBob, or literally any character from a Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network show like Chowder, Finn (Adventure Time), or Timmy Turner. It's usually a childlike innocence, upbeat personality characterized by curiosity, excitement, and a touch of ignorance. Teemo comes the closest, but he's got an underlying sadism and homicidal personality that makes him not so much bubbly.
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=TwitchInMyPants,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-04-25T18:40:00.510+0000) > > Arguably {{champion:81}} fits the role even if he's not as bubbly as Lux or Zoe. He's pretty much the silly, cocky, anime protagonist and he's very humor centric. I don't see how you could compare Ez to Lulu or Neeko. He's cocky and humourous, but not in a fun bubbly hyper way, more in a....normal but slightly dark(?) way. It's hard to describe but his humour is very different from the humour of the others mentioned. I think the idea is, where's our male Lulu? A crazy, fun, hyper, giggly dude.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-04-25T19:55:22.712+0000) > > I don't see how you could compare Ez to Lulu or Neeko. He's cocky and humourous, but not in a fun bubbly hyper way, more in a....normal but slightly dark(?) way. It's hard to describe but his humour is very different from the humour of the others mentioned. > > I think the idea is, where's our male Lulu? A crazy, fun, hyper, giggly dude. I can describe him. Narcisist, self-centered, cocky, petulant, arrogant, privileged, prissy. Bubbly often has child-like innocence, bright eyed natures, a sense of wonder and curiosity, maybe even a touch of stupidity because they don't understand how the world works yet. Basically SpongeBob Squarepants, Timmy Turner, Billy Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Finn (Adventure Time), Steven (Steven Universe), Dexter (Dexter's Lab), and so forth.
: These jokes are so bad, better shut up meow before I smack you in the necko.
Mice try, but you fell into a trap. It's "Neko," so the jokes on mew!
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: I have 3 questions. 1. Why does the gem on the book change colors? 2. Why is freljord and the frostguard not listed like the immortal bastion and noxus is? 3. Is the void consuming the portals and making it so all the portals close and nobody is ever able to enter or leave bandle city? Love the teaser, lots of mysteries listed, excited for the lore!
1. Dunno. Whims? 2. Because the Freljord is a hot mess in terms of organization. It's being sieged by Volibear, a good deal of the tribes are currently warring with each other, and many other problems about that have prevented the area from unifying. Noxus is organized under Swain. Piltover is an established force of the world, as is Zaun. Ionia is organized under Karma, Targon is organized under the Aspects and the rulers of Rakkor, and Shurima is organizing under the new leadership of the reborn Azir. Bilgewater is marked because it's at least loosely organized under Miss Fortune and/or the Pirate Council. You'll also note the Shadow Isles aren't listed here, either because Yuumi doesn't consider them of interest to her search, or because there's nothing there but chaos and death. 3. I don't believe so. The closed/crossed out portals are shown at the bottom of the ocean near the Serpent Isles. It's also minutely possible that the pathways between portals travel through the Void, since it's generally an unstable emptiness outside of the known dimension. It's possible that the reason the Void cracked through Icathia is that maybe the portal pathways acted as leylines or cracks of a sort, that weakened the fabric of space and dimension where they overlapped. Just a theory though.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Düff McWhalen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OaiOF7wi,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-25T18:52:20.235+0000) > > REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EXT-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER-MINATE
: That's the Void from the looks of it. Shadow Isles isn't represented by pink/violet swirling vortexes. Plus, that landmass looks like the Icathia peninsula, not a bunch of islands.
More specifically, I believe it is the south peninsula that was where the former city of Icathia once stood, and is now instead a gaping hole into the Void.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=t75we5kN,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-25T18:31:49.132+0000) > > I don't think it's LeBlanc though. As you'll notice, Yuumi, as depicted by the green figure, is close in size to this figure, which would indicate this is a Yordle. Also given that she asks the book if she can return when the Bandle City emblem is on the page, it may be safer to assume that Yuumi's master is a Yordle. > > Plus, I have a HARD time believing that something as whimsical and cute as Yuumi would be the familiar or close counterparts with someone as conniving and wicked as LeBlanc. How about Lulu? Similar tone set from each of them, both are light hearted magic users.
Most likely not? Lulu disappeared into the Faerie Glade when she was young, and reappeared much later in time when everything she knows is gone, and nothing I get from Lulu's personality or lore suggests any kind of formal teach or organized intelligence that would merit her being called anyone's master, or have left her in a position to leave behind a pet. That said with the understanding of her current lore. That of course could all change if Yuumi's lore updates it.
: Violence is inevitable. And this is a game of violence.
Except the gameplay is completely independent of the lore, other than the quips champions throw at each other. So using the gameplay as an excuse as to why 140+ character ALL have blood and tragedy is hollow and weak.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NxMAEYyK,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-04-25T19:30:30.981+0000) > > This isn't Disney, but all of Runeterra isn't a war zone, just like our own world isn't a war zone despite having conflicts pop up in various countries all over the world. > > The problem Riot has is that EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER EVER seems to have some dark smear or homicidal urge they're keeping in check, because their narrative team is apparently unable to write any kind of story that doesn't completely hinge off of war, death, or BDSM. It's a problem, because they claim they want diverse characters in a diverse world, yet their storytellers always resort to the exact same problems and tropes in order to "make the characters more interesting," and Scathelocke himself (head of narrative) has professed that he doesn't believe that pure good or pure evil characters are compelling. _This is only true if that's the only kind of characters you have._ So in that vein, the narrative team always makes characters in shades of gray, completely ignoring the black and white that gives context to the gray. So where the world should be a small mix of black, white, and gray, it's all a dull gray monotone. > > So in order for there to be an interesting, compelling story, there needs to be happy characters who aren't smeared with darkness, just like there needs to be god fucking awful evil characters who aren't blighted by something as banal as morality. They give frames of reference to the characters who are in between, and this is why it should be important that happy characters like Yuumi shouldn't be marred with some dark side or horrible tragedy like they did for Ivern, Zac, Zoe, and Neeko. My point is that it's most to all champions have blood on the hands despite being good or bad. Zoe nuked a village. Ivern was once a cruel dude. Sure he became good but that doesn't really cleanse his hands. Neeko caused a base to murder one another without her even knowing it's her fault.
That's the problem though. I personally don't have blood on my hands, despite the US being in a few wars since I've lived. So therefore, why does every single champion on Runeterra need to have blood on their hands? There are 140+ for crying out loud, it's unrealistic to expect that every single one of them has accidentally murdered people or had horrible tragedies despite being good and happy. It's just stupid, and poor writing on Riot's part.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: To be frank, Runeterra is a freaken war zone to the point that every single champion has blood on their hands. Be it on purpose or accident. This ain't Disney really. This is a world where is are void entities trying to shove in the world just so to turn it off and go back to sleep.
This isn't Disney, but all of Runeterra isn't a war zone, just like our own world isn't a war zone despite having conflicts pop up in various countries all over the world. The problem Riot has is that EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER EVER seems to have some dark smear or homicidal urge they're keeping in check, because their narrative team is apparently unable to write any kind of story that doesn't completely hinge off of war, death, or BDSM. It's a problem, because they claim they want diverse characters in a diverse world, yet their storytellers always resort to the exact same problems and tropes in order to "make the characters more interesting," and Scathelocke himself (head of narrative) has professed that he doesn't believe that pure good or pure evil characters are compelling. _This is only true if that's the only kind of characters you have._ So in that vein, the narrative team always makes characters in shades of gray, completely ignoring the black and white that gives context to the gray. So where the world should be a small mix of black, white, and gray, it's all a dull gray monotone. So in order for there to be an interesting, compelling story, there needs to be happy characters who aren't smeared with darkness, just like there needs to be god fucking awful evil characters who aren't blighted by something as banal as morality. They give frames of reference to the characters who are in between, and this is why it should be important that happy characters like Yuumi shouldn't be marred with some dark side or horrible tragedy like they did for Ivern, Zac, Zoe, and Neeko.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rrhicg0o,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-25T19:15:18.260+0000) > > They gave Zyra a new walk. I don't know what animation work you're referring to for Lux. That's vastly different than reanimating Syndra's hair. Her hair will have to move with literally every single other animation she makes, so they have to make sure it doesn't clip, that it moves in the proper direction, etc., etc., which takes a heaping ton of more effort than simply giving someone a new walk. Doesn't even have to be animated. Literally just make it not look like a blob. Not hard to change texture for the hair and coloring. Id be fine with just that.
I'm not even sure that would fix what you want: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NdciQOvGpM8/hqdefault.jpg The issue lies with how her ponytail was modeled. It's very chunky, and it moves in unison, which gives the plastic feel. And they can only do so much with texture on white hair before it's not white hair anymore, so they've kind of backed themselves into a hard spot here.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-04-25T19:04:24.865+0000) > > Rakan isn't bubbly, he's fucking psycho for his girlfriend, and a total narcissist. Ivern is yes, and so is Braum, but they've kind of eclipsed into jolly and sagacious more so than bubbly. > > Nunu is bubbly, so is Lulu and Neeko. We really don't have any more boys with that childly bubbliness, and this Yuumi could have been a good way to add that. > > Also, her voice is a bit generic, so I'm a tiny bit disappointed. It sounds like the actress(es) for Eve/Xayah/Akali/Irelia who simply read a new script. They all sound so similar, and it's not that great when all the characters start suffering from samevoice. Yeah, I can see that. I think I may have a weird perspective on bubbly. As for the Eve, Xayah, Akali, and Irelia, i've only played Xayah much. I can agree with you about her feeling almost flat / ... unemotional?... whatever the word is. I don't feel the ENERGY in her VO a lot.
> [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-04-25T19:14:44.948+0000) > > Yeah, I can see that. I think I may have a weird perspective on bubbly. > > As for the Eve, Xayah, Akali, and Irelia, i've only played Xayah much. I can agree with you about her feeling almost flat / ... unemotional?... whatever the word is. I don't feel the ENERGY in her VO a lot. It's not even the energy though, it's that nearly all of those champions sound like the same voice actress, when I know at least Eve and Xayah were not. The way they say the lines, and their general voice just gives the feeling like it's the same person reading a new script. God how I wish they could find someone like Tara Strong who can deliver an entire cast of characters without flinching.
: Riot- Can we please get a update to Syndra's IN GAME hair visuals?
They gave Zyra a new walk. I don't know what animation work you're referring to for Lux. That's vastly different than reanimating Syndra's hair. Her hair will have to move with literally every single other animation she makes, so they have to make sure it doesn't clip, that it moves in the proper direction, etc., etc., which takes a heaping ton of more effort than simply giving someone a new walk.
: Yea you're right, that's why I wanted all pre 2013 champs to be worked on. But the best we're gonna get is Legendary skins to fix old champs looks and voices sadly.
It's not to say those champions like Ahri or Riven won't eventually get fixed though, it's just that they're at the back of the line behind a lot of other champions (also pre-2013) who need it more.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=t75we5kN,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-25T18:31:49.132+0000) > > I don't think it's LeBlanc though. As you'll notice, Yuumi, as depicted by the green figure, is close in size to this figure, which would indicate this is a Yordle. Also given that she asks the book if she can return when the Bandle City emblem is on the page, it may be safer to assume that Yuumi's master is a Yordle. > > Plus, I have a HARD time believing that something as whimsical and cute as Yuumi would be the familiar or close counterparts with someone as conniving and wicked as LeBlanc. what if her master is Heimerdinger? ik he isnt missing but... still he tends to be the lead smart person of all the yordles.
It's possible, but he's a scientist, and Yuumi's definitely magic based. So I think her master would likely be a mage of some sort.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xcxEN3c,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-25T14:25:48.366+0000) > > I mean, anything is possible, but she's not as dated as Ezreal or Morgana were in terms of ~~looks~~ or **VO**. Ahri only has 20 lines, Morg only has 11 lines (Not counting pick/ban cause those are repeats.) If we exclude laughs Ahri has 16 and Morg has 8. I just want riot to update all pre 2013 champions at this point but that will never happen {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
I understand this, but I cannot stress enough that there are MORE PRESSING CHAMPIONS who look like dogshit and talk like dogshit, and still have the same generic "I know da wei" and "The magic, it calls to me" lines that a lot of the old champions duplicated.
Terozu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Yjj0k4lx,comment-id=001700000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T16:12:55.374+0000) > > Actually the fact that it's a portal is even debatable. It's in a book, remember, and a lot of her artwork has depicted her with standard mystic tools like a crystal ball. It's entirely possible she's scrying or spying through her book, rather than using it as a portal. I was right the books a portal ^-^
Maybe. It was very theatrical though, so we'll see once the official reveal occurs.
: Ivern / Rakan? Braum is fucking bubbly.
> [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VAvpyEnX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-25T17:49:37.453+0000) > > Ivern / Rakan? Braum is fucking bubbly. Rakan isn't bubbly, he's fucking psycho for his girlfriend, and a total narcissist. Ivern is yes, and so is Braum, but they've kind of eclipsed into jolly and sagacious more so than bubbly. Nunu is bubbly, so is Lulu and Neeko. We really don't have any more boys with that childly bubbliness, and this Yuumi could have been a good way to add that. Also, her voice is a bit generic, so I'm a tiny bit disappointed. It sounds like the actress(es) for Eve/Xayah/Akali/Irelia who simply read a new script. They all sound so similar, and it's not that great when all the characters start suffering from samevoice.
: Someone call Meowkai and inform him one of his cats is tampering with spacetime.
It's all Ivernyan's fault.
Elipo (NA)
: But in the trailer theres a page with a huge bandle city icon as she wonders if she can "go back"
That doesn't mean she's a Yordle. She's also looking for her master, and if her master is a Yordle, that would mean she could have once lived in Bandle City.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GqsWGM3a,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T18:42:26.881+0000) > > Again, that's an extremely thin line established by League. As I said, to an outsider, he qualifies pretty damn closely as a vampire, especially when not even a lot of vampires in media adhere to those traditional, Bram Stoker tenants. Need I remind you of the fucking sparkling vampires? Should we call Nasus a werewolf then because he was once human but is now a human/canine creature?
> [{quoted}](name=SpecterVonBaren,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GqsWGM3a,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000020000000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-25T18:51:43.606+0000) > > Should we call Nasus a werewolf then because he was once human but is now a human/canine creature? Take some pictures of Nasus and Warwick and go show them to your grandparents or some random people on the street. Let me know what you find. I'm pretty certain unless they know who those characters are, they would probably call them werewolves. Nasus, not so much, people would probably assume he's an artistic rendition of Anubis. You are looking at this too technically, from the point of someone who knows the intricate lore of the game. You're not stepping back to look at this from the view point of someone who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GqsWGM3a,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T18:42:26.881+0000) > > Again, that's an extremely thin line established by League. As I said, to an outsider, he qualifies pretty damn closely as a vampire, especially when not even a lot of vampires in media adhere to those traditional, Bram Stoker tenants. Need I remind you of the fucking sparkling vampires? Honestly I think that's part of the reason he's a hemomancer and not a vampire. They wanted a unique element to Vladimir, especially given the aversion to corpses/blood globally. But even if they're hard to distinguish the difference is there and draconian laws that keep expanding their censorship shouldn't limit Riot's choices of champion fantasy. That'll not make the game more diverse and interesting, it'll make it more limited.
> [{quoted}](name=TwitchInMyPants,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GqsWGM3a,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T18:44:23.998+0000) > > Honestly I think that's part of the reason he's a hemomancer and not a vampire. They wanted a unique element to Vladimir, especially given the aversion to corpses/blood globally. But even if they're hard to distinguish the difference is there and draconian laws that keep expanding their censorship shouldn't limit Riot's choices of champion fantasy. That'll not make the game more diverse and interesting, it'll make it more limited. I'm not contesting the laws or anything like that. I understand all of that. I'm just saying that Vladimir's appearance (combined with skins that reference Count Dracula, LeStat, and the Nosferatu) and his use of blood make him near interchangeable with a vampire to an outsider. It's only details in his in game lore that actually differentiate him to people familiar with the game and his character. So while there is technically a distinguishing difference in terms of lore, it's near irrelevant and indistinguishable to someone who's not familiar with the game. It's the same reason why someone looking at the Gundam series would call them robots, despite them being mech suits. There's a technical difference to those in the know, but on the general whole it's extremely difficult to distinguish them from robots.
: That's a really tiny hitbox there. She might be even smaller than Teemo.
If the leak about her spells are to be believe, that might not matter. According to the spell leak, she can attach to an ally, similar to how Lulu's Pix can or Kayn's ultimate, and cast spells that buff/heal that ally while also being able to cast her own spells from their position, only detaching if the ally dies or she actively shuts it off.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GqsWGM3a,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2019-04-25T13:10:40.720+0000) > > Simply on principle that League didn't want to be cliché. But by pretty much all other definitions, he fills the vampire trope verbatim. So he's not a vampire technically, but he pretty much is in everything but name. > Plus, some absurdly technical detail like how Vlad is written has no impact whatsoever on how censorship laws will view him. To pretty much ANY outsider, he's a vampire. He's not associated with bats, he can't turn into mist, he's not weak to holy symbols, he can cross running water, he's not undead, he doesn't burn up in sunlight. He's not a vampire. He's a hemomancer.
> [{quoted}](name=SpecterVonBaren,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GqsWGM3a,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T18:39:45.871+0000) > > He's not associated with bats, he can't turn into mist, he's not weak to holy symbols, he can cross running water, he's not undead, he doesn't burn up in sunlight. > > He's not a vampire. He's a hemomancer. Again, that's an extremely thin line established by League. As I said, to an outsider, he qualifies pretty damn closely as a vampire, especially when not even a lot of vampires in media adhere to those traditional, Bram Stoker tenants. Need I remind you of the fucking sparkling vampires?
: Why I Believe Pantheon's Name Changing in His VGU is Entirely Possible
I think you have things in reverse. And also no, they will not change Pantheon's name. They've never done it for any champion. They've ADDED to the names, like "an Willump," but never completely replaced it. I think Pantheon's story will likely be about how Atreus, a once noble minded warrior of the Rakkor who endured a fucking ton of shit and heartbreak to reach Targon's peak, found out a dark, dismal truth about the Aspects, namely War, and tried to fight back and rebel. Eventually he failed, and instead of simply being blessed with a sliver of the Aspects' power like all of the others, they punished him by having the War Aspect itself overtake his entire mind and body to become Pantheon.
: I can't fault your logic, but Riot is a PC company now, and you're not being very PC.
And aside from the fact that it's stupid baseless logic too. I mean, the same can be said for literally any champion archetype. How many guys thought they could Kayn when he was first released, and ended up feeding like a charity in a third world country? I mean, he just decided to pick the stupidest reason to build his argument on, as if it's something unique, when it happens to literally every champion ever.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: https://i.imgur.com/3yfCYTt.png[] https://i.imgur.com/oTFjwSE.png[] Yup it truly could be but then again Riot has made many "mistakes" in their Art where something looks like one thing and that one thing wasn't intended.
I don't think it's LeBlanc though. As you'll notice, Yuumi, as depicted by the green figure, is close in size to this figure, which would indicate this is a Yordle. Also given that she asks the book if she can return when the Bandle City emblem is on the page, it may be safer to assume that Yuumi's master is a Yordle. Plus, I have a HARD time believing that something as whimsical and cute as Yuumi would be the familiar or close counterparts with someone as conniving and wicked as LeBlanc.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=R3laO3L8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-25T17:03:37.985+0000) > > Inting. Creep stealing. Exp splitting. All of these are things someone can do to grief someone else that don't require you to chat. Yes, and riot can reserve permanent ban for these instances. They already dont do enough against inters and these are by far the worst offenders. I dont see a world where inting was ever any worse than it is now like riot claims during their "testing period". This is happening in 1 out of 3 games on average. Sometimes I have it happen 11 games in a row. Type naughty things in chat all you want, I can just mute it. Or Riot can just implement a chat filter for their most hated words that bypasses the current chat filter when it is set to disabled. It is obnoxious that they allow words to be typed into their game that they hate so much that they will permanently ban you for it when they could simply disable the words.
> [{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=R3laO3L8,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-04-25T17:17:00.833+0000) > > Yes, and riot can reserve permanent ban for these instances. They already dont do enough against inters and these are by far the worst offenders. I dont see a world where inting was ever any worse than it is now like riot claims during their "testing period". This is happening in 1 out of 3 games on average. Sometimes I have it happen 11 games in a row. > > Type naughty things in chat all you want, I can just mute it. Or Riot can just implement a chat filter for their most hated words that bypasses the current chat filter when it is set to disabled. It is obnoxious that they allow words to be typed into their game that they hate so much that they will permanently ban you for it when they could simply disable the words. The issue is that when offenders actually do flame people and be toxic in chat, this is easily documented, easily caught behavior that can be punished by an automated system that's issuing punishments based on keyword searches when reports come in. When you remove that person's ability to chat, that removes the capability for the IFS to catch them, because pretty much all non-chat forms of griefing take more time and pattern building to detect, which means that those people will have a much higher chance to NOT get in further trouble than they would if they kept flaming and being toxic in chat. I don't want to make griefers, trolls, and other assholes more difficult to get rid of. I want them gone pretty much ASAP if they're going to be angry hemmorhoids.
rareform (NA)
: I just don't see any purpose. None at all.
Well considering his kit got overhauled significantly in the two months since we talked on this post, it's not even the same set of circumstances anymore. They did what you asked, but also changed a lot more, and they also curb some magic damage effects from triggering it.
: Book of Thresholds | Yuumi Champion Teaser
Eh, this just confirmed the leak as being true, since her name is Yuumi.
: CHANGE PERMA-BAN TO PERMA-MUTE
Inting. Creep stealing. Exp splitting. All of these are things someone can do to grief someone else that don't require you to chat.
rareform (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VU8P5EfN,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-26T14:20:38.515+0000) > > Tell me what purpose removing the physical damage requirement from E would do for him. He's got no magic damage to speak of, he has no AP scaling, and he doesn't want to build things like Statikk, Nashor's, or Gunblade. What purpose would this change serve? http://www.surrenderat20.net/2019/04/424-pbe-update-more-tentative-balance.html#more Weird huh? Can't imagine why they'd remove the physical damage req. from his heal. Serves no purpose, imo.
Except it's not wide open like you were asking. It specifically prohibits healing from DOTs.
: I just want to take the time to brazenly assert that the taric rework was miles ahead of warwick's
: Riot : Hyperlate game carries are supposed to be strong late but bad earlygame
Kayle's early game is fucking garbage though. She suffers quite a bit to make it through without constant tower hugging or babysitting from her jungler. Her mana costs are steep on her heal, and any aggressive opponent can tear her up quickly. And that's the melees, ranged opponents ruin her. Also, _in what scenario ever_ has Vlad been considered a hypercarry?
d00mface (EUW)
: Would you be interested in a Taliyah centric comic?
This is conflicting to me, because while I love Taliyah, the answer is not at this moment. We've already got two coming-of-age stories in the Ashe and Lux comics, so I'd like to see something else. Someone who's not a petrified girl who's having to deal with real shit popping up in life. I feel like it's going to get done to death if they launch into a third arc that's so similar to the two they already have done. I'd really like to see something coming out of Targon, like Taric or Leona/Diana, or a comic about someone like Singed and the depths of his insanity. I'll even take comics and stories about Master Yi, Yasuo, Shen, or Zed. Maybe after we've had some runs of other types of stories would it be fine to return to the young girl coming-of-age story, but until then...
: Evelynn's Demonic Laughter
I too like the laugh, it's so wicked. Though, I see why it's there on enemies and not for her - you're playing her, and she's calm, collected, and in charge. When you hear it from the enemy's side, it's maniacal, insane, and super twisted. I think they were going for the whole "I'm not twisted, I'm a pouty seductress" when you're playing her - "inside her mind" so to speak - while juxtaposing that to how reality actually sees her. I'm not sure the crazy laugh would fit into her normal VO, considering the tone of it really sharply contrasts with it.
: She's actually adorable
She really is super cute.
EdgeLady (NA)
: Let's Not Forget: We've Seen Other Animal-Like Yordles Before...
I think it would break down their lore if they start basically dumping everything ambiguous and cute into Bandle City as "NEW YORDLE SPECIES!" Plus, given that they condensed the Meglings and Yordles into the same species in an attempt to make a more cohesive species, it would backtrack on those efforts CONSIDERABLY to just keep plopping new types of Yordles in the game. We've already got two really odd ones - Gnar and Fizz - and Fizz felt forced as hell, so I don't think it would work to keep making more outliers like them. I would imagine she's either a Yordle witch who's accidentally transformed herself into a cat, similar to Salem from the original Sabrina the Teenage Witch, or she's a Yordle witch's familiar.
Terozu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Yjj0k4lx,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2019-04-25T13:52:38.291+0000) > > {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}} Might not be a yordle but it was a bandle city portal :b
Actually the fact that it's a portal is even debatable. It's in a book, remember, and a lot of her artwork has depicted her with standard mystic tools like a crystal ball. It's entirely possible she's scrying or spying through her book, rather than using it as a portal.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=y1E3Ef7c,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-04-25T15:51:29.184+0000) > > She would need to make a smurf to play with you and potentially bring you to her level if you can get the skill to do so. She tried to teach me how to lane and stuff in custom games and, to our mutual surprise, I just went up 50 cs, 2 levels and killed her repeatedly. And she was like "Just keep playing , you'll be here soon" but I just got out of a ranked game and I did lose it so ummm, idk.
> [{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=y1E3Ef7c,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T15:55:46.810+0000) > > She tried to teach me how to lane and stuff in custom games and, to our mutual surprise, I just went up 50 cs, 2 levels and killed her repeatedly. And she was like "Just keep playing , you'll be here soon" but I just got out of a ranked game and I did lose it so ummm, idk. Training takes time and effort, and if she's a support main, she may possibly not be the most experienced in terms of CS and laning for whatever role you may be trying to do, so her help could be somewhat limited. That's not to say don't have her help you at all, it's just that if you're trying to jungle or do top or mid, she might not be able to push you far enough without someone more experienced in those lanes helping you. So have her help, but also look at Youtube for videos posted by mains of the champion/role you're playing to learn their tricks and tactics.
: You’re right, but Ahri is a popular champ. I’m not saying that the champs you mentioned are fine as is. They totally need a VU as well.
But popularity alone isn't enough to warrant a VU. If that were the case, they would have finished Miss Fortune's VU already, instead of leaving her with only a new model and the same old ancient animations and antiquated VO that make her still feel old as hell.
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