: > [{quoted}](name=GayrensTari,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T21:11:20.821+0000) They're supposed to look anime. That's the whole fucking point of the skin line.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T21:20:48.923+0000) > > They're supposed to look anime. That's the whole fucking point of the skin line. {{sticker:sg-kiko}} Well said!
: I was thinking about it today, and I definitely think Kirk>Picard>Cisco
: Actually, I bet you didn't know, that Riot reserves the right to ban your account permanently without notice, even if you paid money to "Rent Skins" from them, because when you use money for things in the game, you're paying for the privilege to spend riot points, so you can rent skins, not actually purchase them, which means, you don't own anything, even your account, so make sure you pay lots of money so they can just ban you for no reason if they want to and you'll have to waste your time making another account, leveling up, and have no access to anything you spent money getting. Good thing there is no way for Riot to abuse their player/fan base huh. {{champion:119}}
> [{quoted}](name=DBS Ronovon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lVlx2Acs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-23T23:11:22.516+0000) > > Actually, I bet you didn't know, that Riot reserves the right to ban your account permanently without notice, even if you paid money to "Rent Skins" from them, because when you use money for things in the game, you're paying for the privilege to spend riot points, so you can rent skins, not actually purchase them, which means, you don't own anything, even your account, so make sure you pay lots of money so they can just ban you for no reason if they want to and you'll have to waste your time making another account, leveling up, and have no access to anything you spent money getting. > > Good thing there is no way for Riot to abuse their player/fan base huh. {{champion:119}} You statement has no validity, mainly _because everything you're upset about is plainly written in the terms of service you agree to in order to even start playing the game._ If you got burned because you violated rules spelled out in a terms of service, that's YOUR fault for not reading a legal document. That's not anyone else's.
: An elderly scholar woman who got tired of being mocked by kids for being a "weak old hag", so she swore to make the climb to prove how strong she really was. Not only does she survive the climb, but she comes back down as the vessel for an Aspect who admired her strength and perseverance, and with a new sense of purpose in the world. Probably not something that would happen, and people would probably hate it more than they hate Atreus defeating Aatrox, but I think that would be a cool thing to do for an old lady champion.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bQ5af0T9,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-08-23T21:00:58.663+0000) > > An elderly scholar woman who got tired of being mocked by kids for being a "weak old hag", so she swore to make the climb to prove how strong she really was. Not only does she survive the climb, but she comes back down as the vessel for an Aspect who admired her strength and perseverance, and with a new sense of purpose in the world. > > Probably not something that would happen, and people would probably hate it more than they hate Atreus defeating Aatrox, but I think that would be a cool thing to do for an old lady champion. It would be even more epic if the Aspect that chose her WAS the Aspect of Strength.
: Discussing the **REASONS** Mods are unhealthy IS AN ATTACK. So you don't get to fucking lock my post to save your own asses.
> [{quoted}](name=Glass Rammus,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=WL587ZqL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-23T20:41:26.547+0000) > > Discussing the **REASONS** Mods are unhealthy IS AN ATTACK. > So you don't get to fucking lock my post to save your own asses. Some examples of your old topic: "YOU ARE NOT WANTED YOU ARE NOT NEEDED YOUR PRESENCE HAS DRAGGED THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY DOWNHILL FOR TOO LONG Get your little minions to spam vote all the comments. It won't help. The playerbase far outweighs your little group of cronies." [Source](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/AAYK6MQR-riot-you-need-to-remove-all-these-mod-accounts-return-them-to-normal-status?comment=00020000000000000001) You were doing nothing but being belligerent and combative with the moderators. You weren't offering anything constructive. You can debate the necessity of mods and all of that, but you weren't trying to debate, you were just trying to vent and yell at them because you didn't get your way. You were actively telling people to be hostile to mods. You were passive-aggressively trying to incite people into a witch hunt against the mods. If you're going to try to get something done, that's not how you do it. You do it civilly and with actual open discussion. Not with flames and vitriol. As for this line: "You're not wanted here. Your position is an abuse of Free Speech and open discussion." I hate to burst your bubble - **but the Boards are not privy to the laws that govern free speech**. The Boards are privately owned by Riot Games, and THEY set the rules about what can and cannot be talked about in their space. The Federal Government's mandates about free speech ONLY apply to public spaces, not privately owned spaces. If Riot said we could only talk about kittens and shitting rainbows, that's within their rights as owners of this space, and they can enforce those rules by removing anyone who doesn't talk about kittens or shitting rainbows. Riot has put into place moderators to enforce those rules, so again, it doesn't violate free speech when they enforce the rules mandated by Riot for them to enforce. If you don't like the rules they are enforcing, perhaps this place of discussion is not for you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T19:09:21.824+0000) > > No, they're original. They follow closely to the style of the costumes in the genre. No, they just don't look orginal. They don't even look the same drawing style of their original skined champions. :/
> [{quoted}](name=GayrensTari,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T19:45:29.235+0000) > > No, they just don't look orginal. They don't even look the same drawing style of their original skined champions. :/ Duh. Skins are supposed to present a different fantasy altogether. I supposed next you'll tell me that the PROJECT and High Noon skins aren't original because they're not in the same drawing style of the original champions too, right?
: {{champion:164}} Quite literately an old lady
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bQ5af0T9,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-23T19:31:30.197+0000) > > {{champion:164}} > > Quite literately an old lady Who miraculously has stopped aging in her 30s, has a perfect figure, and no other indicators of old age despite gray hair. Sure, totally an old lady. She's only an old lady in that the lore states she's over 80. But she's not an old lady in how she's presented or how she acts. Her dance is fucking break dancing for gods sake.
Rockman (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ONI Ahri,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bQ5af0T9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-23T19:24:40.450+0000) > > Be careful what you wish for... No more fooling around! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/d/d4/Lisa%27s_Nightmareopaw.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140926085025
> [{quoted}](name=Rockman,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bQ5af0T9,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-23T19:27:36.599+0000) > > No more fooling around! > > https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/d/d4/Lisa%27s_Nightmareopaw.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140926085025 Riot will be the first ones to claim that they want diversity in their roster. Then release the next 3 females as perfectly proportioned, young waifus. Like, Riot, if you're GOING to just release sexy women and gorgeous men, at least fucking drop the charade that you care about roster diversity and just own up to it like all of the other fan service games out there.
: There should be a Kratos themed Sylas skin
The issue is that Pantheon is pretty much a direct homage to Kratos.
Rockman (NA)
: so when do we get an old lady champ
Silly boy, Camille is Riot's old lady. Despite the fact that she doesn't really look like an old lady outside of having gray hair. And even more despite the fact that every single one of her skins eliminates this indicator.
: "Showcase of your Eternals on enemies’ death screens"
Riot has the WORST track record when it comes to listening to people sometimes. It's the same way they nerf everything AROUND a problem on a champion despite people directly pointing out what the problem is, only for them to directly nerf the problem after the champion is garbage. Eternals will be like that. They'll "fix" and "listen" until they realize how dumb the idea is and then try to correct the actual problem once it's too late.
: > [{quoted}](name=ThıghConnoısseur,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zzXUcwa9,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-23T18:35:29.848+0000) > If you don’t wanna read the dev post basically Eternals are being split up into 2 types common and unique, **commons can be purchased for** 225 RP or **3500 blue essence** and unique sets offer more tracking and are only worth 590 RP. A bit missleading. You forgot to add you need to have enough BE ready when the emporium comes back every 6 months.
> [{quoted}](name=Ðeviruchi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zzXUcwa9,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-23T18:48:18.077+0000) > > A bit missleading. You forgot to add you need to have enough BE ready when the emporium comes back every 6 months. That on top of selections of them rotating every 6 months.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:49:24.580+0000) > > No, why would it? It's their own creation. No one owns the concept of super magical girl (boy), no more than anyone owns the concept of a dimestore romance novel. But they just don't look very original
> [{quoted}](name=GayrensTari,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T19:03:40.142+0000) > > But they just don't look very original No, they're original. They follow closely to the style of the costumes in the genre.
: It depends how the dresses are designed. A dress can be fancy and still short and I could definitely imagine Camille in a short seductive dress. {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=7dZQZMAm,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-23T17:02:37.189+0000) > > It depends how the dresses are designed. A dress can be fancy and still short and I could definitely imagine Camille in a short seductive dress. > {{sticker:sg-lulu}} The only short dress I would envision Camille in is a tutu, and only if she's dressed like the Black Swan. Otherwise, there's no aristocratic high fashion dress that could be dubbed "debutant" that's shorter than ankle length.
AIQ (NA)
: I think a finisher would be the best.
> [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=iBk4kFsY,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:55:03.548+0000) > > I think a finisher would be the best. It would be, but homeguard trails would be awesome too (I meant that, not a recall trail).
: Hi Void - thanks for taking the time to write this up! It's a really thoughtful post and I loved reading through it. I'm the Product Lead on Eternals, and I wanted to address some of the points brought up in this thread, because we talked about all of these points at length during development: * We discussed tying this into Mastery a bunch, but ultimately landed on making Eternals adjacent to the system because Mastery doesn't have any kind of RP value attached to it. It's a system that was built to be evergreen once for all champions ever, and Eternals has a roadmap that extends beyond the first set we release. We split the difference with Mastery Emote Upgrades (fun fact: we actually were unsure about this idea early in development, but players in our early playtests suggested it consistently as something they wanted). * Regarding the difficulty of certain Eternals, we want to find a happy balance that leans more towards "represents skillful play" than "ridiculously difficult". Some of the original Eternals we designed were almost never incrementing in our playtests, which resulted in players feeling like the system either wasn't working or getting very little satisfaction from the progression. We DO want to make tricky Eternals, but they need to be something that the player mostly has control over, like iiGazeii's suggestion of Jhin grenades hit after killing 3 units prior. * Regarding price, we're taking steps on this. You'll hear more soon. * For rewards from Eternals, I'd love to open up this discussion to the group: **What rewards for rekindling sets would you think would be satisfying?** BEFORE YOU ANSWER, I'm afraid I have to put a few limitations on you to make sure we don't annihilate scope / make Eternals feel good by tacking on another content type as a reward. Try to think of something that feels self-contained, and usable on the champion regardless of the skin they choose. That means no skins, no chromas. Other than that, hit me. Again, thanks for this thread. It's been really fun to read through this. I'm excited to share updates with you all soon. Cheers, Adriaan
> [{quoted}](name=KenAdamsNSA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Eohdii0H,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-08-20T18:01:54.409+0000) > > Hi Void - thanks for taking the time to write this up! It's a really thoughtful post and I loved reading through it. > > I'm the Product Lead on Eternals, and I wanted to address some of the points brought up in this thread, because we talked about all of these points at length during development: > > * We discussed tying this into Mastery a bunch, but ultimately landed on making Eternals adjacent to the system because Mastery doesn't have any kind of RP value attached to it. It's a system that was built to be evergreen once for all champions ever, and Eternals has a roadmap that extends beyond the first set we release. We split the difference with Mastery Emote Upgrades (fun fact: we actually were unsure about this idea early in development, but players in our early playtests suggested it consistently as something they wanted). > > * Regarding the difficulty of certain Eternals, we want to find a happy balance that leans more towards "represents skillful play" than "ridiculously difficult". Some of the original Eternals we designed were almost never incrementing in our playtests, which resulted in players feeling like the system either wasn't working or getting very little satisfaction from the progression. We DO want to make tricky Eternals, but they need to be something that the player mostly has control over, like iiGazeii's suggestion of Jhin grenades hit after killing 3 units prior. > > * Regarding price, we're taking steps on this. You'll hear more soon. > > * For rewards from Eternals, I'd love to open up this discussion to the group: **What rewards for rekindling sets would you think would be satisfying?** BEFORE YOU ANSWER, I'm afraid I have to put a few limitations on you to make sure we don't annihilate scope / make Eternals feel good by tacking on another content type as a reward. Try to think of something that feels self-contained, and usable on the champion regardless of the skin they choose. That means no skins, no chromas. Other than that, hit me. > > Again, thanks for this thread. It's been really fun to read through this. I'm excited to share updates with you all soon. > > Cheers, > > Adriaan You can add Icons with Finisher animations (like the URF ones) that are unique to the champions, or you could add champion specific homeguard trails with icons, similar to the LGBTQ Poro Icon one you ran this year. Those can be used regardless of skin, and it's extremely weird that you guys have not really expanded on these concepts since their initial release.
AIQ (NA)
: Yeah, that's why I was asking lol. I was hoping they'd bring that out Riot likes surprises. Sometimes that's to their own detriment. I was just hoping they'd say something about it ya know? >And regarding Chromas, they were NOT clear about them Weeeeellllll..... > [{quoted}](name=KenAdamsNSA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Eohdii0H,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-08-20T18:01:54.409+0000) > > * For rewards from Eternals, I'd love to open up this discussion to the group: **What rewards for rekindling sets would you think would be satisfying?** BEFORE YOU ANSWER, I'm afraid I have to put a few limitations on you to make sure we don't annihilate scope / make Eternals feel good by tacking on another content type as a reward. Try to think of something that feels self-contained, and usable on the champion regardless of the skin they choose. **That means no skins, no chromas. Other than that, hit me.**
> [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=iBk4kFsY,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:50:46.143+0000) > > Yeah, that's why I was asking lol. I was hoping they'd bring that out Riot likes surprises. Sometimes that's to their own detriment. I was just hoping they'd say something about it ya know? > > Weeeeellllll..... There's only a couple of things that I can think of. Finishers and homeguard trails (like the LGBTQ one). Those are universal, can be tailored per champion, and I'd actually buy into it for those.
: We need the following... Star Guardian Taric Star Guardian Urgot Star Guardian A'Sol Star Guardian Soraka
> [{quoted}](name=Longevity,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-23T12:08:33.201+0000) > > We need the following... > > Star Guardian Taric > Star Guardian Urgot > Star Guardian A'Sol > Star Guardian Soraka Taric yes. Soraka exists already, dunno why you have her. Sol is a no. Urgot is a FUCKING HELL NO.
: But star guardian can raise copyright dispute? NO?
> [{quoted}](name=GayrensTari,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-23T14:06:23.920+0000) > > But star guardian can raise copyright dispute? NO? No, why would it? It's their own creation. No one owns the concept of super magical girl (boy), no more than anyone owns the concept of a dimestore romance novel.
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name= Blåsigt,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-23T11:58:12.467+0000) > > There is a lot of 2019 left. Isn't there a rumor that Urgot was selected to be a Star Guardian this year? It's a rumor and meme, he's very unlikely to ever get one.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zPu794ai,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T12:20:50.439+0000) > > It's a rumor and meme, he's very unlikely to ever get one. It's not a rumor. It was deliberate trolling by SkinSpotlight because they were mocking all the people losing their shit about no SG announcements with the most recent patch. It doesn't exist. It should never exist outside of putting him in bad cosplay for April Fools.
: can we have a female version of the Debonair skin line
There's an issue with fancy dresses - see old Morgana. It absolutely wouldn't work on Camille, who needs her legs exposed to have her animations look proper, and Quinn would also look super bizarre doing backflips in a poofy dress. Illaoi is sort of ok, but still, that kind of model for poofy dresses is just super awkward to implement easily.
AIQ (NA)
: Thing is I feel like Riot knows something we don't, whether it's a surprise or unfinished portion. I just don't think Riot would attempt this in this state unless they had a plan. Maybe I'm too far outside the box on this one. They were clear about Chromas, that it must be usable regardless of skin. That's why I thought something like a recall or ward with a banner of that champion would work. Some other companies do charge for extra achievements, but usually they are tied to maps etc. like Halo for instance. That's the thing for me, I think they just need to tie one more thing to it and it will be solid. I just don't know what that is or can be.
> [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=iBk4kFsY,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T15:53:30.438+0000) > > Thing is I feel like Riot knows something we don't, whether it's a surprise or unfinished portion. I just don't think Riot would attempt this in this state unless they had a plan. Maybe I'm too far outside the box on this one. > > They were clear about Chromas, that it must be usable regardless of skin. > That's why I thought something like a recall or ward with a banner of that champion would work. > > Some other companies do charge for extra achievements, but usually they are tied to maps etc. like Halo for instance. That's the thing for me, I think they just need to tie one more thing to it and it will be solid. I just don't know what that is or can be. Whether they know something we don't or have plans, implementing a paid system of stat tracking and _expecting gamers to get excited about it_ is just poor product planning. If there WAS something else they're adding to this to make it more palatable, that needed to have been told to us up front to get us interested in buying the things. What they've done is hope that paid achievements would be interesting, to which players have demonstrated that such a thing will be dead on arrival. And regarding Chromas, they were NOT clear about them, just like they were not clear about literally every other low effort product they've launched like Event passes, Variant Skins, and Prestige Points. All of their new products have been met with extreme backlash because of how poorly implemented they were, and in the case of Chromas, backlash because of absolutely shit efforts that were put into the original launch. Every single one of these new products had to be halted and taken back to the drawing board for re-evaluation when they were revealed to the public. Frankly, if I were Riot at this point, I would be beginning to reconsider the validity of my product planning team, because their track record has proven to be abysmal at best. Chromas are still largely hit or miss anyway. You get stellar ones like Mafia Braum and Pool Party Graves, but then you get boring ass recolors like Arcade Miss Fortune and Project LeBlanc. Their standard of quality for Chromas is all over the place.
AIQ (NA)
: Perhaps we don't have the full picture, what is the future plan of Eternals? Next year can we expect twice the amount? How much will those cost? Will rewards increase? I think separating them into unique and common was a great choice.Granted the unique ones are not like land an R or something. The price still feels too steep, but maybe if the future contains more for the Eternals we pay for now it may feel more worth it? Personally, I'd love to have insanely hard missions. Is that a realistic prospect for the future?
> [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=iBk4kFsY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-23T15:34:17.141+0000) > > Perhaps we don't have the full picture, what is the future plan of Eternals? > > Next year can we expect twice the amount? How much will those cost? Will rewards increase? > > I think separating them into unique and common was a great choice.Granted the unique ones are not like land an R or something. > > The price still feels too steep, but maybe if the future contains more for the Eternals we pay for now it may feel more worth it? > > Personally, I'd love to have insanely hard missions. Is that a realistic prospect for the future? Paying for them is just sour no matter which way you spin it, especially without a hard guarantee that something may come along to make the cost worthwhile (like a special chroma or icon or something). It's also a major kick in the balls to expect players to be excited about buying achievements when major game companies have been including them for free for over a decade now.
Frısk (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dhRX36Ik,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-23T15:33:01.539+0000) > > Well before, 2 Common and a Unique per champion cost 850 RP. Now 3 Commons cost 225 RP, and 3 Uniques cost 590 RP. > You're still paying for achievements though, which was the entire cause for the backlash to begin with, so a price reduction isn't really a solution here. thats the point its not about how much you pay , but that you have to pay at all for something that should have been there and free years ago.
> [{quoted}](name=Frısk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dhRX36Ik,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T15:34:05.501+0000) > > thats the point its not about how much you pay , but that you have to pay at all for something that should have been there and free years ago. Exactly. When video game companies have literally been making achievements ABSOLUTELY FREE for over a decade since their creation, it's a kick to the balls when companies expect us to be excited about purchasing them.
Frısk (EUW)
: Changes to Eternals
Well before, 2 Common and a Unique per champion cost 850 RP. Now 3 Commons cost 225 RP, and 3 Uniques cost 590 RP. You're still paying for achievements though, which was the entire cause for the backlash to begin with, so a price reduction isn't really a solution here.
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ezh6FJJw,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T21:15:50.025+0000) > > Emerald and Fifth Age are more than Chromas. Chromas are color swaps, all of his skins change the model pretty distinctly. yeah but the abilities don't change
> [{quoted}](name=ÉmbracéThéCosmös,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ezh6FJJw,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T21:17:19.813+0000) > > yeah but the abilities don't change But that doesn't mean they're chromas. There's an entire skin tier (750 RP, formerly 520 RP) that only changes the base model of the champion and uses their base particle effects. Plus, prior to like Galio's VGU, Riot didn't acknowledge skins in VGUs that weren't new, and basically just did model swaps on all of them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sirsir,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ezh6FJJw,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:30:39.091+0000) > > Does Taric even have a skin that isn't basically a chroma? well the pool party and the bloodstone that's all :(
> [{quoted}](name=ÉmbracéThéCosmös,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ezh6FJJw,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-08-21T20:21:24.262+0000) > > well the pool party and the bloodstone that's all :( Emerald and Fifth Age are more than Chromas. Chromas are color swaps, all of his skins change the model pretty distinctly.
Bazerka (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ywFy01Ku,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-21T19:31:22.739+0000) > > Of all the champions in the game, which one is the one that makes the office place constantly break out in hives? There's always that ONE who's either breaking the coding, complicating other systems, or just overall being a problematic nuisance that's sucking up a lot of people's attention at the office. Who is that champion at current? TBH idk, I'm not apart of the core league dev team so i'm not sure XD.
> [{quoted}](name=Bazerka,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ywFy01Ku,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-21T19:35:23.170+0000) > > TBH idk, I'm not apart of the core league dev team so i'm not sure XD. Surely you must hear someone angrily scream things like "GDI NOT DAISY AGAIN!" or something like that.
: My cat is comfortable with my apartment so now all he does is eat and poop but never gains weight.
Your cat has a very skinny face. Do you know what kind of breed it might have picked that up from? Most cats I've seen have pretty round faces.
Bazerka (NA)
: Lunch break w/ Baz
Of all the champions in the game, which one is the one that makes the office place constantly break out in hives? There's always that ONE who's either breaking the coding, complicating other systems, or just overall being a problematic nuisance that's sucking up a lot of people's attention at the office. Who is that champion at current?
: > [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wjG1UOMq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-20T21:36:38.456+0000) > > No, it's got to be PVP games. Otherwise, everyone would be perma-farming beginner bots for 12 tokens a win. rats
> [{quoted}](name=PimpStickNasus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wjG1UOMq,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-20T21:38:11.034+0000) > > rats Believe me, if it was ANY game, including bots, I'd have had both the prestige skin and the prestige points long ago.
: I played on PBE and Eternals in death recap are the most stupid thing I've ever seen
So Death Recap has always been buggy as hell. Instead of fixing it, like they should have LONG LONG AGO, they inflate it even more with these Eternals. Sounds like a great idea. Let's not fix the broken thing and instead glue more shit onto that's as irrelevant as Recap telling me that my Soraka dealt the killing blow.
: The project tokens you get from playing, can you get them from bots?
No, it's got to be PVP games. Otherwise, everyone would be perma-farming beginner bots for 12 tokens a win.
: Yes, basically every yordle in the game is a candidate to get a slot in the next Lunar Revel, I don't disagree with that. But there is no way that Twitch doesn't also get a skin. He is required to be in there.
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=46VAqYQu,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-20T20:30:16.271+0000) > > Yes, basically every yordle in the game is a candidate to get a slot in the next Lunar Revel, I don't disagree with that. > > But there is no way that Twitch doesn't also get a skin. He is required to be in there. I never disputed that Twitch didn't deserve the year of the Rat skin.
: Kindred is one of the most absolutely unfun, stat checky designs in the game
Some points: 1. Kindred is a Marksman. Marksmen rely on auto-attacking things as it's part of what qualifies them as marksmen. Complaining that they rely too heavily on stats when auto-attacks are a HUGE part of their attack pattern is just dumb. 2. Kindred's kit is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR from being "stat-checky." I'm pretty sure you don't know what that term means if you think Kindred is stat checky. She's got a variety of tools and utility functions in her kit that make her anything but stat checky. If you want to TRULY see a stat check champion, look at Volibear. His entire function is to either run in and hope he outlives and kills his opponents with nothing but the stats he's accrued, or die trying. That's literally all he can do.
Zemasu (EUW)
: Honor mentions for Bazerka
Why are you downvoted? Bazerka is a wonderful person and they always chime in with good spirits and a gaggingly positive outlook on everything. Bazerka needs all of our appreciation for slogging through the negativity and putting up with being instantly targeted by people's ire simply because they're the only Rioter that has taken time to chat with people on the Boards. So three cheers to Bazerka! I'm happy to have you around!
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/orobgNQT-and-were-back-here-again-another-nerfchange-for-aatrox?show=flat&page=2 This thread is what I mean. I tried to talk about how the new Aatrox is fine, but all the posts offering counterpoints on how the old one was fine/better get upvoted. Meanwhile, oh look, this thread's at -7 AND my other post is at -2. Why does EVERY FUCKING THING I POST get downvoted, no matter what I try to argue or whose side I'm on?
> [{quoted}](name=Reaversal,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=z8IAbpg3,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-20T19:16:40.668+0000) > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/orobgNQT-and-were-back-here-again-another-nerfchange-for-aatrox?show=flat&page=2 > > This thread is what I mean. > > I tried to talk about how the new Aatrox is fine, but all the posts offering counterpoints on how the old one was fine/better get upvoted. > > Meanwhile, oh look, this thread's at -7 AND my other post is at -2. > > Why does EVERY FUCKING THING I POST get downvoted, no matter what I try to argue or whose side I'm on? Well, for starters, most people are sick to death of the incessant "mains" who do nothing but rabidly lash out at Riot for "destroying their main" and constantly bitch that "Riot shouldn't rework champions and should just create new champions if they want that kit." Like, there are strong, valid reasons that VGUs occur, and it's all tied to game health and the age of a champions kit, and whether or not that kit has held up well as the years have progressed. All of the champions that are overhauled were ancient, decrepit things that were only played by a tiny playerbase (or a large one if the "fixes" to help them made them oppressively OP like Akali was before her VGU), and those people developed this Stockholm Syndrome relationship with the champion to the point where they couldn't see how bad the kit was in the scope of the game. So when players who aren't these angry "mains" see posts like yours, which supports reversions to those old, busted kits that either didn't work well or were so OP they were globally despised, they downvote you. It's not a popular opinion to request reversions to VGUs, because 100% of the time, VGUs improve the champion in a multitude of ways. Sure, some may claim that repeated nerfs or tweaks after a VGU mean the champion isn't improved, but eventually those champions DO reach a point where they are stable and not oppressive anymore, and can enjoy popular and much more of a fanbase than they ever had before (SEE: Urgot). I also think you have terrible timing too. Right when a new VGU launches on the PBE or even live, that's when the angry "mains" flock to the Boards to bitch about it and evangelize how a lame-ass champion like old Aatrox, who had as much complexity as a marshmallow in hot cocoa, was "innovative, fun, and unique" and should have been left alone. So when you post a contrary point to them, that may actually mirror the general consensus, they will downvote you to oblivion because there are more of them there at the time to gang up on people holding the mirror to their faces.
: This coming Lunar Revel is a Warring Kingdoms year, but Twitch being in the mix could kind of mess it up unless they make him a fantastical villain in the same universe...
> [{quoted}](name=KestrelGirl,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=46VAqYQu,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-20T18:44:35.785+0000) > > This coming Lunar Revel is a Warring Kingdoms year, but Twitch being in the mix could kind of mess it up unless they make him a fantastical villain in the same universe... Not really, they've never villainized the animal of the year when they do this skin line. Furthermore, since 2016, they DO add a champion correlated with that particular animal to the roster, and Warring Kingdoms has ceased to become cyclical like it once was. 2016 - Monkey - **Radiant Wukong**, Lunar Wraiths Caitlyn and Morgana 2017 - Rooster - **Warring Kingdom Azir**, Warring Kingdoms Garen and Vi 2018 - Dog - **Lunar Guardians Nasus and Warwick**, Lunar Empress Lux 2019 - Boar - **Firecracker Sejuani**, Coin Emperor Tahm, Lunar Wraith Sylas, Firecracker Vayne
: Dude, it is the year of the rat and there is no other rat champion besides Twitch. He is basically guaranteed to get it, just like Sejuani was guaranteed to get the skin this year, since it was the year of the pig and there is no other champion with relations to pigs besides her.
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=46VAqYQu,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-20T16:49:44.208+0000) > > Dude, it is the year of the rat and there is no other rat champion besides Twitch. He is basically guaranteed to get it, just like Sejuani was guaranteed to get the skin this year, since it was the year of the pig and there is no other champion with relations to pigs besides her. Teemo, or any of the Yordles, could be lumped in with Year of the Rat though. People commonly joke that they're hamsters, both on the internet, and even champs in the game.
: Next Lunar Revel / Brainstorming for the year of the rat
I like the concept of the Orianna skin, but I'm opposed to it. She's got a lot of seasonal skins, and she really needs more quality skins that aren't locked away behind a limited window. Her only skin that's even remotely quality that's always available is Dark Star, because Gothic, Sewn Chaos, Bladecraft, ~~and TPA ~~are all just pitiful.
Bazerka (NA)
: I'd assume (emphasizing the **assume** part here) that the team is taking their time in how they want to respond. Imo I'd rather receive a slow, but well thought out response than a quick and dirty one. Emotions tend to run high in situations like these, and no one wants to say something they might regret :)
> [{quoted}](name=Bazerka,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKtfBnRu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-19T21:32:33.810+0000) > > I'd assume (emphasizing the **assume** part here) that the team is taking their time in how they want to respond. Imo I'd rather receive a slow, but well thought out response than a quick and dirty one. Emotions tend to run high in situations like these, and no one wants to say something they might regret :) Thank you for the response! Even a little something like that, the "Hey guys, we've heard, we're thinking," is reassuring to hear.
: I ship Morgana and Pantheon now.
Morgana isn't a fallen Aspect. She still exacts justice in her own unique way.
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: This is a great idea. Though, they may have to make some specific thresholds for mastery 7 points in order to gift it. Point being made here, RIOT wants their money and Tencent has forced RIOT's hands to get paid that way. Its almost as if China has a problem with the rest of the world.... -.-
> [{quoted}](name=Hazardus ducees,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ydhwWBI1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-18T04:02:15.373+0000) > > This is a great idea. Though, they may have to make some specific thresholds for mastery 7 points in order to gift it. Point being made here, RIOT wants their money and Tencent has forced RIOT's hands to get paid that way. Its almost as if China has a problem with the rest of the world.... -.- Tencent has owned Riot since like 2011. Why do people suddenly start to blame Tencent for Riot's bad products like 8 years after they acquired the company? This is not Tencent's fault. Tencent I'd wager has generally let Riot do their own thing for the past 8 years - good investors do this, they don't cut open their goose that lays the golden eggs looking for the source of the gold. This bad product is Riot's fault. Not Tencent's. This is the result of a company trying to find new things to monetize, but having bad product planners who don't know their asses from holes in the ground. There are TONS of openings in aesthetics that Riot could have chosen to monetize, a great many of them that players have been begging for for years, yet for some reason their product planners don't listen or even acknowledge this.
: I would prefer a serious type Taric skin like warden, full metal, or traditional to bring back his old armor and shield. Half of his skins are already meme skins in pool party and armor of the fifth age.
> [{quoted}](name=AlienPrimate,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ezh6FJJw,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-19T19:06:53.509+0000) > > I would prefer a serious type Taric skin like warden, full metal, or traditional to bring back his old armor and shield. Half of his skins are already meme skins in pool party and armor of the fifth age. But not Emerald, Bloodstone. So half of his skins are serious skins too. Plus, Taric is a lighthearted character full of hope and life. Full Metal or Warden (BLEH, such a dull skin line) just don't fit him, and would push against his fanbase, who as a Taric main, LOVE HIM for his light hearted, not-so-dark-and-serious nature and presentation. Star Guardian is a PERFECT skin for him for a lot of reasons, it captures his core nature very well, and he can easily translate into this skin line. Other skin lines that could work for him would be Hextech, as Smyxie has proposed, Battle Academia, Odyssey, Commando, or even something like Program.
: Im kind of disappointed with all his skins :/ Almost all of them barely do anything different with the animations or particles. It's all just the base model.
> [{quoted}](name=I Play This Game,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BlZENAyg,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-19T15:19:50.871+0000) > > Im kind of disappointed with all his skins :/ Almost all of them barely do anything different with the animations or particles. It's all just the base model. That's because he's old as fuck and needs a VGU pretty badly. Old champions and their skins rarely changed much outside of the color scheme and sometimes bits of the model.
Terozu (NA)
: If they are indeed doing the four horsemen which is neither confirmed or denied, the 5th Darkin would more likely be based off the Lamb of God who heralds the Horsemen. And as for connections Rhaast has a skeletal face and wields a scythe. Death is often depicted as a skeletal being with a scythe. Aatrox is red faced and wields a sword, he seems to cause eternal war to bring about an Apocalypse. War is often depicted as red, wielding a sword and causing wars. Varus is described as inhumanly beautiful, wielding a bow and wearing a crown. Pestilence is often depicted as beautiful, wearing a crown and wielding a bow. It's still possible this is coincidence, correlation is not causation and the human mind looks for correlation while also being victim to confirmation bias. Well know with the eventual next Darkin release.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=2htm92F2,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-16T18:55:06.714+0000) > > If they are indeed doing the four horsemen which is neither confirmed or denied, the 5th Darkin would more likely be based off the Lamb of God who heralds the Horsemen. > > And as for connections > > Rhaast has a skeletal face and wields a scythe. > Death is often depicted as a skeletal being with a scythe. > > Aatrox is red faced and wields a sword, he seems to cause eternal war to bring about an Apocalypse. > War is often depicted as red, wielding a sword and causing wars. > > Varus is described as inhumanly beautiful, wielding a bow and wearing a crown. > Pestilence is often depicted as beautiful, wearing a crown and wielding a bow. > > It's still possible this is coincidence, correlation is not causation and the human mind looks for correlation while also being victim to confirmation bias. > > Well know with the eventual next Darkin release. Of course it's coincidence. The thing that IMMEDIATELY murders any Horsemen theory on the spot is that Varus was not originally designed as a Darkin and was in the game BEFORE Aatrox. He was then retroactively turned into a Darkin many years later. So it's nothing but pure coincidence.
: I honestly thought that Sylas pulled void magic from the petricite. Since he was talking about ancient beings and it being purple. It being morgana’s magic makes more sense though because if it was void magic Jarvan would have probably melted right then and there. Sylas too for that matter.
> [{quoted}](name=SolarisCorvus,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JxmnMEGY,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2019-08-16T12:21:25.921+0000) > > I honestly thought that Sylas pulled void magic from the petricite. Since he was talking about ancient beings and it being purple. It being morgana’s magic makes more sense though because if it was void magic Jarvan would have probably melted right then and there. Sylas too for that matter. It's definitely Morgana's because it was chains, and in the panel where he's beginning to launch it at J4, you can see the distinct shape that Morgana's chains are.
rujitra (NA)
: They did justify it by referencing multiple other games that have similar features in their /dev post. I think the biggest reason there has not been a direct response to the criticism here is for a couple reasons. First of all, none of this is constructive criticism - people here are ignoring perfectly valid opinions/points and just raging *for the most part*. Secondly, the people here are a vocal minority - they are not representative of the community as a whole's opinion on this issue.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2rWf2N6O,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-15T18:22:06.227+0000) > > They did justify it by referencing multiple other games that have similar features in their /dev post. > Let me try this justification you're talking about. Let's say I'm Riot. "Hey, we're going to add buffs to the game that you can buy to give you an edge when you play against other players - but they'll only be in lootboxes. You see, we saw that Star Wars Battlefront did this, so we thought it was a great idea!" "We're going to be adding a new set of items to the game, but you'll have to use RP to unlock them for you to be able to buy them in game. You see, we see how all these games have shops where you can buy cool weapons that were super OP, so we thought we'd add it in." It's not justification to cite other companies that do this shit. I can cite EA up and down and implement things they do in a game I make, but that doesn't make what I do justified just because EA Games is doing it. It just makes me a copycat of unpopular products that were implemented by a greedy company. Just because Riot says that other companies have done this _DOES NOT MAKE IT A GOOD OR SENSIBLE THING TO DO._ A shitty, unpopular thing done by another company that you copy is still a shitty, unpopular thing. > I think the biggest reason there has not been a direct response to the criticism here is for a couple reasons. First of all, none of this is constructive criticism - people here are ignoring perfectly valid opinions/points and just raging *for the most part*. Secondly, the people here are a vocal minority - they are not representative of the community as a whole's opinion on this issue. There's plenty of constructive criticism, but yes, it is buried under a lot - and I mean A LOT - of negative feedback. The sheer magnitude of the negative feedback to these Eternals should have been an _immediate bomb raid siren alarm for Riot._ Whether or not there is enough constructive criticism or not, the negative reaction that people have shown to this has been cataclysmic. Not even the kickback to Prestige Points was this terrible, and there was a lot of anger about that too which resulted in a fairly large reconstruction of their format for presenting and working with Prestige Points. So yeah, it doesn't even matter where the constructive feedback is, these Eternals have turned into a massive PR nightmare. They're a terrible product, and people have held the mirror to Riot on this, and something has to change. They're consistently losing the faith of their playerbase, and massive product bombs like this will only send people away and further tarnish and already rusting façade that Riot has with the gamers.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RadeticDraws,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=i1UEYwyg,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-15T19:33:24.012+0000) > > PER CHAMPION?! You get 3, not 1
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=i1UEYwyg,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-08-15T19:34:48.094+0000) > > You get 3, not 1 Is that really any better? Instead of spending $1400 for Eternals for all champs, since they're priced at the $10 level, you're spending $460. _That's SUCH a great improvement, such cheap, very wow. Players will leap at those savings._
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