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: We get a free Ashe skin so we can show it off with our patented Thornmail Ashe we learned from the tutorials.
jovack (NA)
: Ashe is viable. Garen is currently super strong. Brand carried me to gold in the last 2 days when 3v3 was full of tryhard platinum and diamond players going for the chroma. A great selection for newbies I'd say. You also do get enough essence for 3 expensive champs.
Let me ask you this then. Why would Riot put Ashe and Garen in the beginner champion rotation pool if they are just going to force those champions on us anyway? When I started my League account with my buddy we tried every champ on the rotation and neither of us played ashe or garen past 1 game I chose Lissandra and he liked Jinx. Why would Riot force champions onto people that have a 50% chance of being played instead of giving them blue essence to buy them themselves if they so choose? Do you think League players are too dumb to use the shop?
: Hey Cactopus I am insanely curious as to why you give people 3 champions instead of just giving them blue essence worth those 3 champions. Could you explain the logic behind forcing champions people may not like or ever play instead of giving the blue essence required to buy champions of equal or lesser value?
Is it because of the lesser known one free skin for your favorite champion mechanic that you had before the rewards rework? At this point I just want you to admit it.
Taeseuk (NA)
: The idea is to allow you to have 3 champions that are east to play that you've played a lot, most people already know what kind of role they will want to play based on what kind of champion they like. Giving you these three champions allows you to play a lot of games on them and learn them even after the new player rotation ends. Most people will like one of the three champs enough to keep playing them. As for the skin Ashe is a popular champion with many skins, Shea also somebody that has cheaper skins along with the fact that almost everybody plays her at some point or another she us a logical choice for a skin.
If people were going to buy Ashe, then they could have used Blue essence from a chest to buy her. If they wanted her they would and easily could purchase her themselves, so why force the champion on us? It's purely to make the first champion you buy Ashe so that you can no longer abuse the one free skin mechanic that they had because Riot is that petty. Sure they are a business I would just love a Rioter to admit this to be the truth.
: Because if they do that they will miss out on money because nobody is going to spend money on sherwood Ashe, but someone might get lucky and get a skin for free that they were going to buy. Rito pls stop the greed.
Thank you man, you get it. It's not even that bad because Riot cares about making money top priority player base be damned, but hell I just want them to admit it!
Kloqdq (NA)
: I honestly just don't agree with giving new players 2 champions that they can buy almost right away. Feels so cheap and these champions are already on the new player free rotation. Just doesn't seem right to be the rewards for the new players.
They force the champions on you so you can't abuse the free skin mechanic from before I guarantee it. Riot is that petty.
Kubox (NA)
: So that once they out-level that rotation, they don't have to be scared to be screwed out in a rotation where none of the champions are simple enough for them. If anything, your arguments supports giving them champions from that pool. After all, there's no better champion to give a player than the one he has experience with.
Yes but what I'm asking you directly is why do they not give us the blue essence so we can CHOOSE to buy the champions, what if we played both of those champs and didn't like them? Riot is going to force them on us instead of giving us the blue essence to do with what we choose?
Kubox (NA)
: I'm pretty sure they give you those champions so actually new players who don't know anything about the game get champions that are easy to play.
But garen and ashe are in the new player matchmade rotation. So why would they give us those champions if we're already going to have access to them?
Sukishoo (NA)
: They are all easy to learn champions, that's why they give them out at the early level. As for the skin, dunno.
They are easy to learn champions, ok I'll give you that. But every single one of the champions on the beginner rotation are easy to learn, and it INCLUDES ashe and garen. So why do they force the champions on us when we can play them and try them without owning them?
: Leveling and Rewards - Early Impressions and Adjustments
Hey Cactopus I am insanely curious as to why you give people 3 champions instead of just giving them blue essence worth those 3 champions. Could you explain the logic behind forcing champions people may not like or ever play instead of giving the blue essence required to buy champions of equal or lesser value?
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: Looking for a 5th!
LitAF (NA)
: Flex queue MMR is separate from your SoloQ MMR so Diamond players in SoloQ can potentially be matched with Silvers and Golds in FlexQ
MysterQ (NA)
: I have had multiple streaks of Dias/Plats in my silver games. WAs terrible going from S1 to G5. It literally wasn't until I deranks to S3 that I got paired vs mostly Gold opponents. Then it slowly normalized.... until I got to promos and started get Dias/Plats again wtf.
But why tho? Is it just cause flex queue matchmaking mechanic is shit?
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RallerenP (EUW)
: If anything this will just create more bots since it takes longer for each bot to level to 30. I think you underestimate just how persistent bots are, and even if you lowered it to 1% exp per game, it still wouldn't be enough to discourage bots. Ninja Edit: Also, bots would just start ruining normal games instead.
If co-op vs ai games were 1% rewards making a purely botted account would take years. And if bots ran rampant in pvp riot would have to take more action. It's a win win
: They will just be more bots in Aram then
Yeah but at least then RIOT will have to pay more attention. It's a win win.
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archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=OneFreeSkin,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lVElhzZe,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-30T13:57:18.010+0000) > > Naming and shaming should only apply to humans. Why exactly should it apply to artificial intelligence in the form of a 3rd party program? > > And yeah you don't know what I wrote to the support, here let me show you. > > http://prntscr.com/h3wjsc > > What are we paying the support staff for if they can't handle a simple fucking information relay? > > A multi billion dollar a year company can't handle a simple 3rd party program. > > But I just figured out a way to get around the ban. If i simply post pictures of my co-op vs ai games and give no context while showing the bots, if riot takes THAT post down it will be complete proof they are pushing the problem under the rug. So I'll do that instead. You are not paying for anything. You play for free. You are not above everyone else. Forum rules apply to everyone even to someone like you. No naming and shaming. We have report option after game. If you see someone botting, report him for cheating and move on with your life. Also its impossible to prevent botting. You can catch and ban them, but they will make new accounts and do it again and again and again. Riot bans bots in waves, if you ever visited reddit or forums of sites that make those bots you would see people bitching all the time how they got banned for it.
An inflated ego for thinking that shame doesn't apply to a computer program. The fact that you consider yourself on par with a computer program shows that you have a deflated ego. Do you know what the definition of insanity is? It's doing something again and again and again expecting a diffrent result. If Riot cracked down on bots do you honestly expect the average person to make infinite accounts just to try and keep botting? NO THEY WOULDN'T, that is ludicrous.
Chermorg (NA)
: I do care - we’ve all been there. But complaining does nothing if we can’t come up with helpful ideas. I completely agree that the system sucks for new players. But it’s the lesser of two sucky systems - the bots either get banned instantly but almost never get banned because harder to detect, or we ban them after a while and people have to deal with them for a week or so.
IT HAS BEEN TWO MONTHS. I have not seen a drop in bots. I play every single day. What the fuck are you talking about with a week or so?
Chermorg (NA)
: But the thing is that bot is being detected now and will likely be banned within a couple weeks. If they banned instantly, you’d have **tons** more bots, and they’d **rarely** get banned as they would be harder to confirm.
Ok so, how exactly does Riot banning accounts in a couple weeks vs immediatly make the scripting problem more managable?
Chermorg (NA)
: I can understand how it seems like that. But it’s the truth, sadly. I have yet to see any decent idea for improving the detection system, and as I said, Riot’s system mimics many other game company systems such as Blizzard, Valve, and Runescape/Jagex. That means that it’s not only that Riot can’t come up with a better idea, but that *other* game companies can’t find a better idea. This does, unfortunately, lead to bots overpowering new areas of games - such as the tutorials in Runescape, lower than 30 in League, etc. But sadly, there’s just no good way to deal with them without the problem coming back worse in the future. It’s like the hydra - cut off one head and two more come back in its place.
No one gives a fuck about runescape bots. The only reason they get caught is because they run them 24/7. And even then those bots don't even hurt anyone. Can you give me examples of games where botting would actually matter? Otherwise your just using conjecture and you should stop.
Chermorg (NA)
: I can understand how it seems like that. But it’s the truth, sadly. I have yet to see any decent idea for improving the detection system, and as I said, Riot’s system mimics many other game company systems such as Blizzard, Valve, and Runescape/Jagex. That means that it’s not only that Riot can’t come up with a better idea, but that *other* game companies can’t find a better idea. This does, unfortunately, lead to bots overpowering new areas of games - such as the tutorials in Runescape, lower than 30 in League, etc. But sadly, there’s just no good way to deal with them without the problem coming back worse in the future. It’s like the hydra - cut off one head and two more come back in its place.
You just don't give a shit about new players so whatever
Chermorg (NA)
: Placing bots in a separate queue immediately would have the same effect as banning them instantly - it would make it easier for bot-owners/operators to improve their bots so that they would be harder to detect. Most games do it the way Riot does - let them bot for a seemingly random amount of time, and then ban them in waves.
Hell man, I'd rather a bot be harder to detect than run it down mid going 0-16, or fucking off in the jungle 3 at a time and STILL managing to feed going 0-16.
Chermorg (NA)
: Placing bots in a separate queue immediately would have the same effect as banning them instantly - it would make it easier for bot-owners/operators to improve their bots so that they would be harder to detect. Most games do it the way Riot does - let them bot for a seemingly random amount of time, and then ban them in waves.
Unless you agree with that philosophy. "Fuck new players for the greater good of riot".
Chermorg (NA)
: Placing bots in a separate queue immediately would have the same effect as banning them instantly - it would make it easier for bot-owners/operators to improve their bots so that they would be harder to detect. Most games do it the way Riot does - let them bot for a seemingly random amount of time, and then ban them in waves.
How about a system that doesnt fuck players trying to make it to 30? Two to three bots per co-op vs ai game with the LUCKY one per game is like saying "sorry new players but we cant think of a way to help you so were just going to ignore you". Thats fucked.
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Chermorg (NA)
: If you gave them *ideas* in support, they are not empowered to do anything about them. Riot does not take ideas through support tickets. That is why you would have gotten that response from them - if you show us what you said to support in your ticket we can tell you maybe why they responded that way.
Check the other person who responded to OP the full picture is in there.
Chermorg (NA)
: As Kei143 said, the support ticket response was to **ideas** you presented - not reports. Riot’s system does catch bots and is very efficient at it - it simply does not punish instantly for a variety of reasons.
WHAT IDEAS? Bots using smite,exaust and building devourer first is FACTS. SO, what ideas sir?
Kei143 (NA)
: The universal rules against naming and shaming on the boards applies to everything. Toxicity, bad gameplay, inters, bots and all. So they have nothing against you there. I don't know what you wrote to the support, but it looks like a suggestion to improve gameplay, and ideas that improve gameplay are welcomed on the boards, providing if it doesn't involve naming and shaming.
Naming and shaming should only apply to humans. Why exactly should it apply to artificial intelligence in the form of a 3rd party program? And yeah you don't know what I wrote to the support, here let me show you. http://prntscr.com/h3wjsc What are we paying the support staff for if they can't handle a simple fucking information relay? A multi billion dollar a year company can't handle a simple 3rd party program. But I just figured out a way to get around the ban. If i simply post pictures of my co-op vs ai games and give no context while showing the bots, if riot takes THAT post down it will be complete proof they are pushing the problem under the rug. So I'll do that instead.
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: It is against Riot's policy to allow leaving any game for any reason. You will be hit with Leaverbuster penalties if you do it too often. This is because queuing up is not an agreement with the other players, but it is an agreement with Riot that you will play the full duration of the game, try to win, and not fall afoul of any other regulation (like harassing people). On a different note, leaving those games may count you with a loss, causing a reduction in MMR. The only other players that also lose games against the AI are bots. This will cause you to encounter more bots as you will be matchmade together. ---------- Bots are banned in waves to reduce iteration. Also, banning a bot when it's level 1 will not harm the bot maker. They'll just make another account. If bots are banned 6 months after they're sold, then the buyers will be less likely to buy another, hurting the bot maker's bottom line. If the bot is banned after it hits level 30 and has farmed a decent amount of IP, before it's sold, then the bot maker is out the time and electricity.
So basically what your saying is "sorry man but your fucked, deal with the bots because Riot see's the inconvenience to the little guy as unimportant." Bullshit that the best a multi billion dollar company can do for me is tell me to grit my teeth and bear with it, but k.
: 4 BOTS IN 1 GAME
Riot makes a few billion dollars a year but can't make a good bot detection program? Something about that reeks of greed. But then again they are owned by the chinese right? So i guess not giving a fuck is pretty normal.
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Beryc (EUW)
: BOTS
the anti bot system is "we dont give a fuck about you were not going to ban bot accounts to make it SEEM like were doing some complicated programming work when in reality were just gonna let new players suffer for 3-4 months and then ban 50 out of the 1000 botted accounts by purely eyeballing and pat ourselves on a back for a job well done. fuck you summoner :)". thats the anti bot system.
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