: Taking the game seriously = chat restrictions
I'm just a little disappointed it took 3 games of you ruining the game for other people with your constant toxic behavior before Riot decided to punish you.
: Can't login to client
Just started happening for me today as well.
: MOrdekaiser still #1 on top lane, win rate 53.1% win rate. Wheres the nerfs?
He's already been nerfed once and there are more nerfs on the PBE. Try doing a little research before making topics, fella.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-09T16:18:24.897+0000) > > Oh look, it's another one of these. > > The difficulty is here is sometimes poor play looks like "inting." (a term btw that is being heavily misused as it is sh orthand for "Intentionally" and most of the examples i've seen provided in posts like this don't look intentional to me). Riot is not going to punish people for being bad, plain and simple > > Second, "trolling" is subjective as well. Unless it's something really stupid like buying nothing but daggers or something liike that, it's hard to prove. They could just have had an unusual champion (or combo) that worked well (for at least one game) and just because you dont think that c hamp should be in that position, doesn't mean you're not going to be able to win. People have found good unexpected uses for many champions in the game. > > Point is, it isn't trivial to prove these cases except for the super obvious blatant cases where someone flat out says they don't care and is clearly trying to ruin your game and not even pretend to try to contribute in any way whatsoever, whether successful or not. So what about AFKers who you report yet you never get the instant feedback message about them being punished? or the people who go 2-25 in your game saying "have fun nerds" :)
> [{quoted}](name=CandyMaiden,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnukEGpm,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-07-10T04:34:17.792+0000) > > So what about AFKers who you report yet you never get the instant feedback message about them being punished? or the people who go 2-25 in your game saying "have fun nerds" :) First off, Leaverbuster handles AFK behaviors which is why you don't get feedback reports on people who just AFK. Second extreme examples of someone intentionally feeding where it's obvious and they're running into the enemy team are rare and already handled by the system.
coreym11 (NA)
: I can't win a single game, not even any competition please help
Playing a squishy build with Jinx mid is gonna be tough unless your bot lane adjusts their pick as well. You basically now have two backline marksman that have to be protected and Jinx doesn't have an assassin kit to kill high priority targets. She also isn't the best self peeling ADC out there either. As an off-meta player, it's not that it's not viable but you're gonna need to adjust either your build for survivability or bot will have to alter their picks for a better team comp to be successful IMO.
Akrid415 (NA)
: I used to love Zed
Weird cause he's been virtually the same champion since he was released. People have been complaining about him since the beginning of time. He's an assassin who gets a bulk of his damage from his ult and followup, that hasn't changed. He one shotted ADCs 5 years ago and he one shots them now. I don't get why you think he's so different because he's not.
: Flaming is not accepted by Riot
Something to keep in mind is observing what the streamer says in game versus what he says on stream. If he's flaming someone on stream, then he's not actually being toxic to anyone in the game. Streamers should of course be held to the same chat standards as everyone else in game and I believe they are as the automated system most likely doesn't differentiate between whether the account in question is a streamer or a regular player.
: i feel like the witchhunting/nameshaming rule is unnecessary
I mean the witch hunting rule should have applied to the NB3 scenario according to the rule but mods were fine with everyone bashing NB3 because he's a streamer so the rules apparently don't apply. Which is stupid. Doesn't mean there shouldn't be a rule. Just means mods need to do a better job of applying the rule across the board.
Xavanic (NA)
: Zed...
Ahh I see what's happening here. You got dumped on by a Zed a couple games in a row and now he's OP. Except he's not. Just nobody on your team built armor in either one of the games until the game was already over. He had favorable matchups in both games and your mid lanes gave him kills. That's a recipe for disaster.
: Ah the classic support main that doesnt play top
> [{quoted}](name=fotios567,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ybm8OeLU,comment-id=000a0003,timestamp=2019-07-07T10:37:35.433+0000) > > Ah the classic support main that doesnt play top ROFL I only play top lane but I could see why you might think that just glancing at my profile. The KDAs should be a dead giveaway though.
Lapis (OCE)
: "if you pick that champ i'll dodge" - How is this even a threat?
Yeah I'd rather have them dodge than have to listen to them bitch all game. It's worse to get someone like that on your team and then have them throw the game with their confirmation bias and try to blame your pick. Generally it's because they're hard stuck in whatever elo they're in and trying to find a scapegoat to explain why they're not improving at the game.
Lapantino (EUW)
: darius isn't playable at starting from d4, it's too easy to kite and punish him, same with voli.
> [{quoted}](name=Lapantino,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ybm8OeLU,comment-id=000a0002,timestamp=2019-07-06T21:15:47.565+0000) > > darius isn't playable at starting from d4, it's too easy to kite and punish him, same with voli. Really cause he still has a 10% playrate in Diamond+ and over 50% win rate. Voli's play rate stays the same with a 52% win rate. Not buying it especially since I see streamers play them all the time in Diamond.
Moody P (NA)
: Volibear dominating ???
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ybm8OeLU,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-07-06T21:05:00.045+0000) > > Volibear dominating ??? https://u.gg/lol/champions/volibear/build/?role=top&rank=overall https://u.gg/lol/tier-list?role=top
: If a vayne Loses to a Voli then the guy needs to be permabanned. Voli can kill Vayne around 2 times at max 3 times in the game by flashing on her. He loses that ability around 1st item powerspike let's say 15mins in. After that it's only a matter if he can set her up to be killed. But ya'll talking straight 1v1's here.
> [{quoted}](name=Ryujin No Sora,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AdVqWP5U,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T21:34:36.268+0000) > > If a vayne Loses to a Voli then the guy needs to be permabanned. Voli can kill Vayne around 2 times at max 3 times in the game by flashing on her. He loses that ability around 1st item powerspike let's say 15mins in. After that it's only a matter if he can set her up to be killed. > But ya'll talking straight 1v1's here. https://u.gg/lol/champions/vayne/matchups?role=top&rank=diamond_plus I feel like you're just talking out your ass here. Vayne has -450 Gold @ 15 minutes vs Voli. Just watching guys like Trick play vs Vayne top tells me you don't understand the matchup. There is nothing Vayne can do once Voli hits his spike and decides to run at Vayne. Not even her E keeps Voli off her.
: {{champion:85}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:34}} (once upon a time) Like wtf are you talking about LOL. Have you EVER played vs a competent player? Aka someone that has at least been diamond 1+ once in his league career. You dont win MvR matchUps unless your champion is extremenly overloaded or you get jungle assistance.
> [{quoted}](name=Ryujin No Sora,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AdVqWP5U,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-07-06T21:04:25.872+0000) > > {{champion:85}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:34}} (once upon a time) > Like wtf are you talking about LOL. Have you EVER played vs a competent player? Aka someone that has at least been diamond 1+ once in his league career. You dont win MvR matchUps unless your champion is extremenly overloaded or you get jungle assistance. First off, 99% of people are not going to be playing against people who have been Diamond 1 in their League career so it's silly to even bring up that when discussing the game. Secondly, that's also nonsense. There are plenty of melee champions that have gap closers that deal well with ranged champions. {{champion:106}} comes to mind who has a high win rate across every elo vs {{champion:67}} {{champion:133}} top lane.
Lapantino (EUW)
: I don't get a joy playing top anymore. Riot, for whom is actually top lane?
There's a level of BS that reeks from these type of topics. Darius is one of the most played champs in the Top lane with a 10% playrate and is currently listed in the top tier of champions to play. The champions dominating top lane are NOT ranged champions but champions like {{champion:82}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:106}} . There are plenty of options melee champions have to abuse ranged champions in the top lane but people just expect not to face anyone that can poke at them for some asinine reason.
iPrawn (NA)
: Pisses me off when our autofilled ADC mains support, and our autofilled support mains ADC.
Usually people who main ADC pick Supp as their second option and vice versa. If you're gonna play bot lane you should know how to play both roles well so this is really a non issue.
: The game has existed for 10 long fucking years, and the client is still trash?
Ironically the old client was better than the new client in terms of bugs and functionality. In fact, I'd take the old client back right now with all the old item pages and shit.
Haze97 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=OneMustFall,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZGk4yrnd,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-17T01:47:22.362+0000) > > #MODS: > > Can you please start deleting these topics and suspending people who keep making them? This is harassment of another player and a clear violation of the "Naming and Shaming" of players set in the boards guidelines. I get he's a streamer and a popular guy but that shouldn't mean people can spam threads shitting on the guy. The circlejerk "Hate on NB3" fad has gone on long enough and you need to put a stop to it. Social justice warrior to the rescue!
> [{quoted}](name=Haze97,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZGk4yrnd,comment-id=00060005,timestamp=2019-06-19T12:43:05.050+0000) > > Social justice warrior to the rescue! Holy ignorance Batman.
: Opinion: "fun to play against" is the most bullshit term to ever exist
Disagreed. I've had plenty of fun in games where I've lost lane because I got outplayed. There is a difference between having a frustrating experience because of non interactive champion mechanics and them just being better. And yes I've had unsatisfying lanes where I destroyed the lane because their was a huge skill gap or they were putting in little effort. People like to think it's just about winning but there are plenty of wins that weren't fun games and plenty of losses that were a blast. I rarely enjoy a stomp or being stomped. I want a good duel and a challenge, the game would get boring fast if I just smashed people all day long.
Infernape (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=OneMustFall,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F49n1Zkp,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-17T07:54:02.825+0000) > > 100% agree. What people are doing is against the boards "Naming and Shaming" rule. Even though it's a streamer, allowing 20 threads bashing someone else is not okay. Riot has already responded to the issue and people are still taking advantage of the situation to just flame another player without recourse. Mods need to step up and put their foot down. It's gone on long enough. According to the boards mods it doesn't break the name and shame rule because they're already in the public eye.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F49n1Zkp,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-17T08:05:04.838+0000) > > According to the boards mods it doesn't break the name and shame rule because they're already in the public eye. Alright let's look at the rule: #No personal attacks or witch-hunting, for any reason. Do not make posts accusing another player of causing a negative in-game experience, cheating, trolling, or any other malicious activity, even if you have hard evidence. Posts calling out other players for inappropriate names are likewise forbidden. Doesn't say anywhere in there "Well if you all know who they are, then that's fine." or "Harassing streamers on the boards is okay.' But it does say **"for any reason"** in there. If staff wants to clarify the rules to make witch hunting streamers ok so be it but as of right now, the rules clearly state that a lot of these topics are violating the board rules and the mods need to enforce the rules.
: Can the mods start taking down all the nightblue stuff please?
100% agree. What people are doing is against the boards "Naming and Shaming" rule. Even though it's a streamer, allowing 20 threads bashing someone else is not okay. Riot has already responded to the issue and people are still taking advantage of the situation to just flame another player without recourse. Mods need to step up and put their foot down. It's gone on long enough.
: Nightblue3 just started streaming League and is unpunished and unapologetic for his behavior.
#MODS: Can you please start deleting these topics and suspending people who keep making them? This is harassment of another player and a clear violation of the "Naming and Shaming" of players set in the boards guidelines. I get he's a streamer and a popular guy but that shouldn't mean people can spam threads shitting on the guy. The circlejerk "Hate on NB3" fad has gone on long enough and you need to put a stop to it.
iPrawn (NA)
: Please make it so that DoT's such as Darius and Twitch can't accidentally steal buffs from their JG.
Just ping them off when it's below half health and you're fine. If you need more of a leash than that you need to play something else.
: Tank meta was the lesser of two evils
Not being able to kill people at all is a lot more frustrating than everyone bursting each other down. 60% win rate Warwick was not a good time.
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Tahm kench has 280 base damage, 70% slow on a 4 second cooldown.
{{champion:74}} shits on Tahm pretty hard. Just pop your turrets down and go make a sandwich. {{champion:90}} is also a pretty decent counter to Tahm. Conventional top laners are gonna dumped on though in Tahm's current state.
Rioter Comments
: My issue with the whole scenario isn't that the teemo was punished. If he did a shitty thing he deserved it. But if he got punished because Night made a fuss then it's an issue. And furthermore, the rioter ignored Nights own trolling and rule breaking which is what bothers me the most.
> [{quoted}](name=Around999People,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8nU0OswR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-15T04:09:01.646+0000) > > My issue with the whole scenario isn't that the teemo was punished. If he did a shitty thing he deserved it. But if he got punished because Night made a fuss then it's an issue. > > And furthermore, the rioter ignored Nights own trolling and rule breaking which is what bothers me the most. This whole idea of "Because Nightblue sent in a ticket, the Teemo shouldn't be punished" is just asinine to me. Plenty of people have done the exact same thing, myself included. When I felt someone was going above and beyond to troll in a game, I sent in a support ticket and action was taken on that person's account likely faster than if I had just reported them the normal way. But because it's a prominent streamer, he's not allowed to contact support? That's bullshit and a double standard from the community.
JetRam (OCE)
: Regardless of what you think of Nubrac, can we agree NB3's toxic behavior shouldn't go unpunished?
No we can't. Because it's hypocritical of the community to go after a streamer because they did exactly what every single player would have done which is report someone you think is trolling. And don't act like people would just not say anything if they thought someone was trolling. They would whine about it the whole game in all chat and beg for reports. I doubt anyone on the team was favorable of Teemo's actions so don't be sitting there acting like NB3 was the villain when 100 times out of 100 everyone here would have done the same thing or worse.
CytheGuy (NA)
: An analysis of the NB3 vs Nubrac situtation (off-meta Teemo pick)
As a guy who plays off-meta stuff in Ranked games, I hate the hypocrisy on these boards because I know full damn well these are the same people who would be spamming "Report Teemo" in their games if they were the Sivir but because it's NB3 they want the guy burned at the stake. If you don't say a word in your game and go play Teemo Support Mid, you are going to get flamed and reported because 99.9% of people will assume you are trolling and refusing to play your role. Yet because NB3 did what your average player would have done, he's the bad guy? It's just a total load of horseshit from the hypocritical sheep who want to scapegoat someone for the game being toxic so they can appease themselves when they play their next game and are drooling all over their keyboard and spamming "Report this troll" and "FF15, my support is trolling". These are also the same people who come on these boards and whine "Why doesn't Riot do anything about trolls in my games?". Because your two faced hypocritical bullshit. That's why.
: By Riot allowing Nightblue3 to play right now they are telling everyone what he did is ok.
By your hypocritical logic, 99% of players should be banned for typing "Report xxx" in the chat. Every single person in this topic would have been whining and spamming "REPORT TEEMO!!!!!!!" in the chat if they were the Sivir in that game. Disgusting bunch of two faced hypocrites on these boards.
: If you don't peel for your ADC: Don't expect them to survive.
A good ADC knows how to position and peel for themselves. Generally ADCs have the best range in the game so dying is completely up to you. If you're sitting there front lining, not dodging skillshots or putting yourself in positions where they can jump in and murder you, that's bad positioning and that's on you. Just because you might be good at one role doesn't mean you're not poor at another role. You rarely hear good ADCs give excuses like "Where's my peel?". Instead they ask "Why did I put myself in that position?". Watch any decent ADC stream and you'll see what I'm talking about.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ornndyr2k19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2rIiOHME,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-13T08:54:39.580+0000) > > your definition of trolling is doubfounding If you go into a situation where your intent is to hurt and don't care about others, that's usually a sign of trolling.
> [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2rIiOHME,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-13T08:55:45.447+0000) > > If you go into a situation where your intent is to hurt and don't care about others, that's usually a sign of trolling. Your preconceptions do not define someone's intentions. They likely just want to play a certain champ and have fun with the game. They may not care about your opinion of what they should play, but that doesn't mean they're trolling. You don't get to decide how someone plays the game. Rather than starting the game off by being toxic by shunning someone else's pick, be quiet and actually try to win the game like you say you are. Otherwise you're the one who is trolling.
: How many older players feel like they only play 2-5 champs due to reworks?
I mean the reworks definitely changed my champion pool. But I also enjoyed some of the new champs that came out like {{champion:203}} and {{champion:136}} . On the other hand I used to main {{champion:55}} and {{champion:13}} and now I don't enjoy playing those champs at all due to the reworks. It's a different game from when I started. In some ways it's better and in some ways it's worse. But the game is constantly evolving and will never be perfect. There was no "glory" period because the game always had huge flaws every single season and people bitched about it back then just as much as they do now.
: Morde sitting at 70% ban rate, 13% pick rate, and 56% WR even with 0 expereince on him
One of the biggest problems I have with Morde is how difficult it is to push him out of lane at all or even trade with him. I think a nerf to his W would help a lot. Increase the cooldown and lower the amount of healing he can get from it. I wouldn't mind the consistent high damage if he didn't also have the ability to just sustain through any damage he takes.
Terozu (NA)
: I mean, last I checked Yasuo had over 55% winrate vs like 70% of midlane mages. The new patch hasn't been out enough to get data on it though so i cant double check at the moment.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yUWqRxQt,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-06-13T18:57:13.183+0000) > > I mean, last I checked Yasuo had over 55% winrate vs like 70% of midlane mages. > > The new patch hasn't been out enough to get data on it though so i cant double check at the moment. Not even remotely close. Last patch's data. https://u.gg/lol/champions/yasuo/matchups?patch=9_11 5 winning matchups. Total. #**FIVE**
: Yasuo's Early Game is Too Good
Complete rubbish. Only biased anti-Yasuo haters would think his early game is good. He loses almost every matchup in lane against mages except for the ones who late game scale like he does. He gets destroyed by {{champion:134}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:101}}. Once upon a time Yas might have dominated mid lane but those days are long gone.
: > [{quoted}](name=OneMustFall,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=FlzfOEpe,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-06-07T20:28:59.912+0000) > > Of course we should take precautions to make sure people who have epileptic seizures aren't in danger while playing a video game. Of course we should. Of course... > > **BUT MAYBE...** > > If some blinking light that appears for half a second on your screen messes with your brain enough to cause you to spazz out on the floor maybe you shouldn't be playing the game at all and maybe the company shouldn't spend resources trying to cater to people with that severe a disability. What kind of horrible thought is this? the dude's been playing for years he said it himself. and to be honest this skin IS a bit over the top with its animations.
> [{quoted}](name=ShadzMadz,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=FlzfOEpe,comment-id=00080005,timestamp=2019-06-08T12:33:20.871+0000) > > What kind of horrible thought is this? the dude's been playing for years he said it himself. and to be honest this skin IS a bit over the top with its animations. Actually what this really sounds like is someone seeking attention. There is more flashing going on in your average 20 second commercial. If Riot actually listened to all the attention seekers who were searching for flashy effects in the game that supposedly give them medical issues, there wouldn't be flashy animations at all. If something like that gives someone a seizure, they shouldn't be playing the game at all. And the game shouldn't have to be completely altered to appease them. This idea that it should is extremely self centered and arrogant and this entire post reeks of that. Now I imagine there have been some valid concerns in the past and well written posts that deserved attention about actual problems that would cause seizures but this issue doesn't look anything like that. Riot has no responsibility to cater to .01% of the playerbase and center it's game design around the whims of those people. If there's a legit issue that would affect anyone it should be fixed but not every little minor flashing effect. People with epilepsy are responsible for themselves and again, if something that small causes a seizure in them they need to stop playing the game. Ship it.
: Epilepsy Causing Skin
Of course we should take precautions to make sure people who have epileptic seizures aren't in danger while playing a video game. Of course we should. Of course... **BUT MAYBE...** If some blinking light that appears for half a second on your screen messes with your brain enough to cause you to spazz out on the floor maybe you shouldn't be playing the game at all and maybe the company shouldn't spend resources trying to cater to people with that severe a disability.
: Can anyone explain Tahm and how to lane against him?
As of right now he is almost impossible to poke out of lane his abilities are on such low c/ds he can spam them and never run out of mana. Best thing to do is try to survive against him and farm. Play the tower aggro game and hope he makes mistakes. If not, you're gonna come out behind but if you don't feed him you can eventually outscale him with some champions.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=OneMustFall,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TFpkQPpg,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-06-04T21:09:14.534+0000) > > Weird cause I see her at a 50.78% win rate. Which is 24/47 for her position. Not even top tier. > > Why do people just spout bullshit on these boards? Idk maybe because you deliberately look at sources that fit your narrative? u.gg diamond + has her at 52 and 11% pickrate. master+ near 54% Lolalitycs showed 58% dunno why
> [{quoted}](name=SuperTopLFBottom,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TFpkQPpg,comment-id=00120001,timestamp=2019-06-05T10:23:37.766+0000) > > Idk maybe because you deliberately look at sources that fit your narrative? > > u.gg diamond + has her at 52 and 11% pickrate. > > master+ near 54% > > Lolalitycs showed 58% dunno why Funny cause that's EXACTLY what you did. Posted a topic with bullshit stats, finding the highest winrate you could just to push your narrative without mentioning your source. Which of course was from Lolalytics, the site which inflates every champion's win rate by 2-3%. And then trying to act like you were close by picking Diamond+ stats. Without mentioning the site in your initial post or the fact you were being disingenuous about how you were filtering your data. Nice try.
: Remember when some boards people flamed us for complaining about Rivens compensation buffs?
Weird cause I see her at a 50.78% win rate. Which is 24/47 for her position. Not even top tier. Why do people just spout bullshit on these boards?
: I miss the days where cooldowns actually existed...
{{item:3161}} Who actually builds this item? I swear to god it's the most overrated item I have ever seen on the boards.
: So is climbing based on skill or is based on whom you get as team mates?
It's 10% luck, 20% skill and 15% concentrated power of will. Then I would say it's 5% pleasure and 50% pain and 100% percent reason to quit playing this game.
Ayzev (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=OneMustFall,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xgLxA02M,comment-id=0008000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-24T17:48:34.921+0000) > > You posted her Master stats again. Aight, fucked up on that one. But not all that big a difference anyway. > A relevant sample size would be taking at least 10% of all games played to analyze. This is generally over 10,000 games when looking at champion data. Why should the sample size depend on the size of the playerbase? At as much as a thousand games you should already have included plenty of diversity in people's play styles, experience on the champion and whatever else. Or even if for some reason it isn't enough, why would specifically 10% be?
> [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xgLxA02M,comment-id=00080000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T01:22:49.752+0000) > > Aight, fucked up on that one. But not all that big a difference anyway. > > Why should the sample size depend on the size of the playerbase? At as much as a thousand games you should already have included plenty of diversity in people's play styles, experience on the champion and whatever else. Or even if for some reason it isn't enough, why would specifically 10% be? Because statisticians figured it out to be, that's why. It is generally accepted that if you take a 10% sample of a given population then it will have a low enough probability of error to be relevant. There are statistical formulas you can use to actually figure out the ideal sample size but I can't remember them off the top of my head aside from 1/sqrt of n.
Ayzev (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=OneMustFall,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xgLxA02M,comment-id=00080000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-24T04:15:53.927+0000) > > No but all sites use Platinum+ to measure champion stats which has a large enough sample size to make judgements. > But you cherry picked Masters because it fit your argument better. Man, you sure love baseless accusations. As I already showed in reply to someone else... > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/janna > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/lulu > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/nami/master > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/sona ...the numbers are practically the same here, only Soraka's win rate differing significantly. > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/soraka So there you go, my point still stands, and the sample size point is made irrelevant. But I'd like to ask anyway: > And no, 1000 games is not even close to being large enough of a sample size when evaluating a champions performance. If 1000 is not enough for you, how much is and why?
> [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xgLxA02M,comment-id=000800000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-24T11:38:04.640+0000) > > Man, you sure love baseless accusations. > > As I already showed in reply to someone else... > > ...the numbers are practically the same here, only Soraka's win rate differing significantly. > > So there you go, my point still stands, and the sample size point is made irrelevant. But I'd like to ask anyway: > > If 1000 is not enough for you, how much is and why? Nami's winrate is also higher but you posted her Master stats again. Janna is by no means bad but she was not strong enough to be nerfed. But then she's not really being nerfed anyway. In fact if you do the math it winds up being a slight buff because you can spam W more often. A relevant sample size would be taking at least 10% of all games played to analyze. This is generally over 10,000 games when looking at champion data.
Ayzev (EUW)
: So their performance in Iron, where people do whateverthefuck, is more telling than their performance in Masters, where people actually know how the game works? And is a sample size of 1,134 games in Janna's case, 869 in Soraka's, 1,317 in Lulu's, 864 in Sona's and 1,946 in Nami's case really not big enough?
> [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xgLxA02M,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-23T21:17:03.581+0000) > > So their performance in Iron, where people do whateverthefuck, is more telling than their performance in Masters, where people actually know how the game works? > And is a sample size of 1,134 games in Janna's case, 869 in Soraka's, 1,317 in Lulu's, 864 in Sona's and 1,946 in Nami's case really not big enough? No but all sites use Platinum+ to measure champion stats which has a large enough sample size to make judgements. But you cherry picked Masters because it fit your argument better. And no, 1000 games is not even close to being large enough of a sample size when evaluating a champions performance.
Ayzev (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=destroyer22719,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xgLxA02M,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-05-23T16:13:15.324+0000) > > she is one of the wrost enchanters https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/janna/master Wow, so weak. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/soraka/master https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/lulu/master Wow, so strong. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/sona/master https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/nami/master Does look like these two were more worthy of nerfs. But don't pretend for a second that Janna had any trouble just because she wasn't nr. 1.
> [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xgLxA02M,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-05-23T20:02:24.681+0000) > > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/janna/master > Wow, so weak. > > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/soraka/master > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/lulu/master > Wow, so strong. > > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/sona/master > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/nami/master > Does look like these two were more worthy of nerfs. But don't pretend for a second that Janna had any trouble just because she wasn't nr. 1. When you cherry pick Master+ stats to try to make an argument... Don't know why you bothered, nobody is basing their assessment of how to balance a champion based on a 0.1% sample size of the population. Poor form.
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