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: lets go over both options 1. give vision back... NO 2. remove klepto NO ok we're done here.. next thread
> [{quoted}](name=SwiftKitten88,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oAbAFj4a,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-10T04:00:28.478+0000) > > lets go over both options > > 1. give vision back... > NO > 2. remove klepto > NO > > ok we're done here.. next thread Such a smarmy twerp.
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nelogis (EUW)
: Have you tried playing him mid?
> [{quoted}](name=nelogis,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O2H4O2T5,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-03-06T09:20:33.435+0000) > > Have you tried playing him mid? Yes, he gets poked to death and destroyed by assassins
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Dr Dog (NA)
: no he needs nerfs, we dont need ANY more dmg for awhile just dmg nerfs across the board at this point
> [{quoted}](name=AstroAnus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XWsek3yn,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-10T20:13:43.887+0000) > > no he needs nerfs, we dont need ANY more dmg for awhile just dmg nerfs across the board at this point They've done literally that already, he'll have no stats left
: Doesn't Renekton normally slaughter GP?
> [{quoted}](name=warpenguin555,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XWsek3yn,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-10T19:52:24.549+0000) > > Doesn't Renekton normally slaughter GP? Nope, he suffers from having no good keystone atm like a lot of bruisers
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: It would leave him in the gutter once they actually make bruisers viable again.
> [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XcIWE44p,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2018-02-10T19:40:02.828+0000) > > It would leave him in the gutter once they actually make bruisers viable again. Good, I like a challenge ;P maybe this new keystone for them will make it happen
: Why? Wouldnt it be better to gut the late game champ who is over performing in lane?
> [{quoted}](name=Pink Leg Warmers,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XcIWE44p,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-02-10T19:16:25.008+0000) > > Why? > > Wouldnt it be better to gut the late game champ who is over performing in lane? No, because they already did and it's only kleptomancy that's made him so strong right now. More careful changes are needed from here on out or they risk completely destroying a really fun and unique champ that is supposed to be high risk, high reward, high skill
: They should buff his counters before looking at nerfs tbh.
> [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XcIWE44p,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-10T19:06:57.093+0000) > > They should buff his counters before looking at nerfs tbh. Ideally yes, I was just consider GP first because that's something I can pontificate upon singularly.
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Sahn Uzal (EUW)
: Oh damn, hey man! haven't seen you in a while EDIT: In response to the actual post, levels. Marksmen rely more on items than they do on levels, while most fighters are way more level depending. Gangplank's Level 13 is a great example here.
> [{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=xqRo9s5o,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-21T00:28:39.060+0000) > > Oh damn, hey man! haven't seen you in a while > > EDIT: In response to the actual post, levels. Marksmen rely more on items than they do on levels, while most fighters are way more level depending. > Gangplank's Level 13 is a great example here. So they were on the right track with Mordekaiser getting solo EXP
Onwodori (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=xqRo9s5o,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-21T00:28:39.060+0000) > > Oh damn, hey man! haven't seen you in a while xD Oh hey, nice to see you too! Did my presence summon you so we can gossip about Gangplank?
> [{quoted}](name=Onwodori,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=xqRo9s5o,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T00:30:29.990+0000) > > xD Oh hey, nice to see you too! Did my presence summon you so we can gossip about Gangplank? My current nonsense is playing GP botlane as the most aggressive poke support in the world that becomes a full GP by midgame ;D
Sahn Uzal (EUW)
: Oh damn, hey man! haven't seen you in a while EDIT: In response to the actual post, levels. Marksmen rely more on items than they do on levels, while most fighters are way more level depending. Gangplank's Level 13 is a great example here.
> [{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=xqRo9s5o,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-21T00:28:39.060+0000) > > Oh damn, hey man! haven't seen you in a while xD Oh hey, nice to see you too! Did my presence summon you so we can gossip about Gangplank?
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: AP nasus falls off really hard about 15 minutes in the game. He is really only good for laning and he sacrifices his stacks so that he can shove lane really hard. Catch lanes and get what farm you can. Later in the game you can ignore him and win teamfight as he is either a squishy wet noodle who does little damage or a tank who does zero damage. The most important thing is that you don't feed him kills. Depending on who your playing early mr in the form of Merc treads or a spectors cowl can be super useful.
> [{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G74KT87x,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-01T02:13:07.960+0000) > > AP nasus falls off really hard about 15 minutes in the game. He is really only good for laning and he sacrifices his stacks so that he can shove lane really hard. > > Catch lanes and get what farm you can. Later in the game you can ignore him and win teamfight as he is either a squishy wet noodle who does little damage or a tank who does zero damage. The most important thing is that you don't feed him kills. Depending on who your playing early mr in the form of Merc treads or a spectors cowl can be super useful. I was GP so unfortunately the best I could do was a cloak as I built my all important Triforce without any gank support =/ it was one of those games that made me really unhappy to be playing league aha ^^; But thanks all for the support and tips!
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: > [{quoted}](name=Onwodori,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N4yctb8z,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2017-04-24T03:48:34.509+0000) > > Yeah but building that is just a defensive option, really. It helps in a few ways, but it's a lot of gold to sink into an item that inherently synergizes with chiefly AP builds. The active says so, along with the stats. You'd be putting a less than optimal items onto a build of a champion that needs / wants a full build to blow up enemy teams. {{item:3812}} {{item:3146}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3087}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3031}} {{item:2140}} aids sustain and damage dont say 30% cdr lul gp usually takes 10% cdr runes anyway you think thats ok that gp should be able to heal 150+ an auto attack and heal 300+ off a keg on minions? i honestly dont 70 AD +80*.5AP +40AD + 25 AD + 70 AD= 235 scaling + sheen proc + crit without any infernal drakes or red pot not to mention 10% healing on kegs without red pot(25% with) a point and click slow/extra burst 2 sources of damage reduction
> [{quoted}](name=NINJAWARRlOR99,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N4yctb8z,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-04-24T04:06:25.992+0000) > > {{item:3812}} {{item:3146}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3087}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3031}} {{item:2140}} > > aids sustain and damage > dont say 30% cdr lul > gp usually takes 10% cdr runes anyway > you think thats ok that gp should be able to heal 150+ an auto attack and heal 300+ off a keg on minions? > i honestly dont > 70 AD +80*.5AP +40AD + 25 AD + 70 AD= > 235 scaling + sheen proc + crit without any infernal drakes or red pot > > not to mention 10% healing on kegs without red pot(25% with) > a point and click slow/extra burst > 2 sources of damage reduction I mean if he gets to a build this full he's a monster anyways. And this build is just as good yet cheaper: {{item:3031}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3087}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3046}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Onwodori,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N4yctb8z,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-24T03:17:29.767+0000) > > How so? Lots of champs have dual scaling. I'm not giving base HP scaling or anything like that to offensive abilities. you want a gangplank harassing you more lv1? natural talent would be broken on that champ, giving dual scalings people would still build AD but could have the option for {{item:3146}} more dmg on everything he already has his ult and his orange scaling you dont need to add more damage to gangplank's kit, adding the ability to add sustain with adding to his damage would be completely stupid
> [{quoted}](name=NINJAWARRlOR99,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N4yctb8z,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-04-24T03:26:55.487+0000) > > you want a gangplank harassing you more lv1? > natural talent would be broken on that champ, giving dual scalings > > > people would still build AD but could have the option for {{item:3146}} more dmg on everything > he already has his ult and his orange scaling > you dont need to add more damage to gangplank's kit, adding the ability to add sustain with adding to his damage would be completely stupid Yeah but building that is just a defensive option, really. It helps in a few ways, but it's a lot of gold to sink into an item that inherently synergizes with chiefly AP builds. The active says so, along with the stats. You'd be putting a less than optimal items onto a build of a champion that needs / wants a full build to blow up enemy teams.
: You gotta think of item gp plus even a rylais/liandry with ap scaling could be broken
> [{quoted}](name=fallenreaper88,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N4yctb8z,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-24T03:23:39.839+0000) > > You gotta think of item gp plus even a rylais/liandry with ap scaling could be broken Well his Q doesn't apply spell effects, but did you mean his barrels? They do, but not the AP.
: would be broken
> [{quoted}](name=NINJAWARRlOR99,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N4yctb8z,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-24T03:14:02.144+0000) > > would be broken How so? Lots of champs have dual scaling. I'm not giving base HP scaling or anything like that to offensive abilities.
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: You want tips for everything, or a specific role?
> [{quoted}](name=RenownedWheat42,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4yvNRAAB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-16T03:39:02.424+0000) > > You want tips for everything, or a specific role? All would be nice but let's try Support and Jungle because in ranked that's the two I'll be aiming for. So support. Kek.
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: No, he's a void. The Watchers are some sort of creatures/divinity from Frejlord. I remember the confusion when they first revealed Vel'Koz but it was later debunked. "It was confirmed that Vel'Koz specifically is not one of Lissandra's Watchers, although a connection between the Watchers and the Void was left up-in-the-air." Source: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Watcher From Bard's teaser: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/9e/Bard_lore_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150219223007 Concept Art: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/18/Watchers_concept.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160101182534
> [{quoted}](name=Forbidden Siren,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWhqynGx,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2017-03-21T01:23:32.110+0000) > > No, he's a void. The Watchers are some sort of creatures/divinity from Frejlord. I remember the confusion when they first revealed Vel'Koz but it was later debunked. > > "It was confirmed that Vel'Koz specifically is not one of Lissandra's Watchers, although a connection between the Watchers and the Void was left up-in-the-air." Source: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Watcher > > From Bard's teaser: > http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/9e/Bard_lore_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150219223007 > > Concept Art: > http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/18/Watchers_concept.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160101182534 Sounds like the rift is going to be housing some more frighteningly ancient and powerful beings this year. And, y'know, they'll be just as killable with swords, bows and teddybears :3
: Probably not Doran. Last we heard he *used* to be a great weaponsmith, before he took a kick from a horse to the head. Since then, all he's been able to make are weapons so basic they're barely worth having. He's still employed, but out of pity rather than any hope of returning to greatness.
> [{quoted}](name=DrCyanide,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWhqynGx,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2017-03-21T01:30:43.744+0000) > > Probably not Doran. Last we heard he *used* to be a great weaponsmith, before he took a kick from a horse to the head. Since then, all he's been able to make are weapons so basic they're barely worth having. He's still employed, but out of pity rather than any hope of returning to greatness. That's really freaking sad. Like the saddest thing in league.
: While it would be cool to get Lucian's wife as a champion, I'm still waiting for them to release more details about The Watchers. They've been teasing these... things... for a long time to a point it seems like they were making a champion out of them. But nowadays, it seems like they forgot about them.
> [{quoted}](name=Forbidden Siren,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWhqynGx,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-03-21T00:27:32.722+0000) > > While it would be cool to get Lucian's wife as a champion, I'm still waiting for them to release more details about The Watchers. They've been teasing these... things... for a long time to a point it seems like they were making a champion out of them. But nowadays, it seems like they forgot about them. Was Vel'Koz's species not 'the watchers'?
: One of Lux's new added VO's references it. "I'm sure your wife forgives you for getting her soul taken by a remorseless creature of darkness." Other than that though, I think there's only a handful of other lines referencing it - like PROJECT: Ashe, PROJECT: Yi (possibly, don't quote me on it), Dark Star Thresh (also unsure), and so on. It's worth looking into to see who heckles him about it.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UWhqynGx,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-03-20T23:09:06.897+0000) > > One of Lux's new added VO's references it. > > "I'm sure your wife forgives you for getting her soul taken by a remorseless creature of darkness." > > Other than that though, I think there's only a handful of other lines referencing it - like PROJECT: Ashe, PROJECT: Yi (possibly, don't quote me on it), Dark Star Thresh (also unsure), and so on. It's worth looking into to see who heckles him about it. Gatekeeper Galio is also on that list
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: wtf is wrong with shako mains
As a Shaco and a few others player, I am a rank 6 Shaco and am quite happy with him ^_^ No buffs or changes needed. That's all I got.
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: GP's base damage is pretty high, no doubt about that, but it isn't enough to threaten the frontline if you are going tank, while you don't have the mobility tools to threaten the backline. The reason he's played full AD isn't because he doesn't do enough base damage as a fighter - he does. The problem is that he can't apply it to the enemies that most fighters try to apply their damage to. Since he has such poor target selection, he needs to be able to do respectable damage against the frontline too, which might be all he can hit.
> [{quoted}](name=BluePolarizer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ABR0GjY9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-09T07:31:45.659+0000) > > GP's base damage is pretty high, no doubt about that, but it isn't enough to threaten the frontline if you are going tank, while you don't have the mobility tools to threaten the backline. The reason he's played full AD isn't because he doesn't do enough base damage as a fighter - he does. The problem is that he can't apply it to the enemies that most fighters try to apply their damage to. Since he has such poor target selection, he needs to be able to do respectable damage against the frontline too, which might be all he can hit. Thank you for your very valid point! Perhaps I am wistful for a less stressful mode of play for an old favourite of mine.
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