Opdí (NA)
: This is Permabanabble???
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Well after contacting support, I was finally proven wrong and learned that Riot does possess a tiny modicum of sense. Here is the response I received: > Your understanding of the situation is sold and I can tell that after having a conversation about this you understand a clear path to avoiding this again in the future. The team and I have discussed your suspension in great depth with one another and I have some great news for you! We will be reducing the suspension, but I want to give you some advice and warnings for what happens from here. > > Your assessment is correct, arguing with your team and cluttering the chat with the negativity of the game is an improper use of chat. This behavior prevents others from seeing important information and causes others to lose enjoyment in the game. In that respect, the suspension was applied correctly. I have decided to reduce this suspension to a second two-week penalty because I believe that after the conversation you will be better prepared the keep the account under your control. > > Understand that something as small as arguing or lighting berating after the suspension is up will push you to a permanent suspension. Know that this is your FINAL WARNING and you will not get another after this. > > All and all, please remember that this really is your last chance, so If you would like any further assistance or help, to avoid a permanent suspension, then please feel free to reach out to me. I want you to keep this account, just as much as you do :). > > (REMOVED) > Riot Games Player Support Wow. I still feel like this is an utterly ridiculous punishment, but I'll take it I guess. Not sure if I even want to continue playing after this insanity but if I do it will be with chat completely turned off.
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Sukishoo (NA)
: You don't know that you got them banned, those popups are for all Punishments.
Opdí (NA)
in > Oh yes
You only get the popup within 10-15 minutes of a report otherwise you won't see it, unless you logged out too quickly, then you'll see it when you log back in. If you get one of these following a game you can be 100% sure it was from that game
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EL HAMSTERO (NA)
: ***
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
LOL seriously Riot doesn't even pay these forum flunkies??? That's kinda sad actually, but I guess it explains why they're so unprofessional and vulgar.
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Shandrake (NA)
: Doubt this is the full story, it rarely is, waiting on a red response.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
It is, not that internet strangers have any reason to take my word for it. But you can rest assured you won't see a red response because it IS the full story and Tantram has no hidden logs with which to #LULZEXPOSEDREKT me with, so instead it will be quietly swept under the rug. Or maybe he'll just make some shit up and blatantly lie about what I said like the Riot forum flunkies did.
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Chermorg (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Opdí,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p9a1IMoU,comment-id=001c00010000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-03T20:15:35.108+0000) >it WILL kill the game if it keeps up. If by "kill the game" you mean remove toxic players or convince them to leave, sure. People have been saying this game's been dying and it's been killed since season 2/3, and since Tribunal was implemented, and since when IFS was implemented. News flash, the game isn't dying just because toxic players are leaving.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Keep ignoring everyone's substantive points in favor of making snarky quips and refusing to address their actual arguments. It looks very professional. Or are you just admitting that you have no other rebuttal?
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Chermorg (NA)
: There are two types of "context" (and your version isn't really context - it's excuses). Context within a sentence and within *one* player's chat **has always and will always be taken into account**. That is what is the difference between "fucking sick play dude" and "you fucking suck" - the same word is used - one is toxic, the other is not. Context of "well he was feeding so I'm justified in being negative" **will never matter**, because everyone's responsible for their own actions. The first "context" will *always* be looked at. The second one will *never* be looked at.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
You're creating a false dichotomy just to fit your incredibly convoluted definition of "context." There's a HUGE difference between using context as an excuse for negativity and saying that the context of the entire chat matters in determining the meaning and intent of what is said. And it DOES matter, the meaning and sentiment behind phrases can be drastically different based on what was said by previously said by others. It's NOT about saying "because he said X, what I said becomes okay," it's about actually examining the meaning of someone's words with an ounce of common sense. Pretending the full chat logs are not necessary for this is completely ridiculous! Come on, you obviously already know this, I mean 5-year-olds know this about their native language. Then again, what should I expect from a shameless liar who blatantly fabricated accusations against me? These gaslighting mind games you engage in with your playerbase are increasingly absurd and it WILL kill the game if it keeps up.
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Chermorg (NA)
: Do you somehow have a crystal ball that tells you if they got punished or not?
Opdí (NA)
in > The Trolls Have Won And Are Immune To Criticism - Punish the Victims Instead
Funny you should ask, in fact yes he actually does! https://thumb.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/_54752dd5b9f2d40742d690de3e4e9765-png.jpg
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Chermorg (NA)
: I have held off on responding and just been observing this thread. It would appear to me that yours is a case where you have a major attitude problem and you think you're always right and must have the last word. This type of negative, combative, and obnoxious attitude not only is prevalent in your chat logs from the three games you were given, but it shows in many of your replies here. You refuse to accept that, even as you admit you were warned this type of thing is not okay, you fucked up. You refuse to accept that you were given chances to improve your behavior, and you did not. You tried to be **just** as negative as possible without getting caught again for it. And it bit you in the butt. Your attempt at adding a sarcastic smiley to everything is not going to work. You were doing everything possible to cause a negative environment for your teammates - be it by directly harassing them, calling for reports on them, insulting them, goading and antagonizing them, being passive aggressive towards them, or being sarcastic towards them. Your behavior in the logs is **obviously** with bad intent, especially after your posts on this thread. Your 14 day ban appears to have ended no more than a week ago (3-4 days to be exact). You were **literally** just warned about your behavior. Yet you tried to toe the line again. You showed no intent of reforming **whatsoever**. And you appear as well to have been doing everything possible to **not** help your team during games you were frustrated with them. Hint: That's called griefing - and it's prohibited. I certainly hope your ban is not removed. You are the exact type of person that the escalating punishment system is designed to catch - someone with no intent of being a decent community and team player. ---- For the record, I only posted on this thread as OP asked me specifically to come to this thread and post in a reply to a comment I made on another thread.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Your personal attacks are tasteless, rude and unfounded. I have been completely cordial in this thread - maybe a little sarcastic towards people who were openly rude, but I don't think it compares at all to your arrogant, high-and-mighty tone - not to mention you completely lied about my in-game behavior; I did not ever insult, goad or antagonize anyone, and you reading sarcasm into my words with zero context is absolutely ridiculous. It's really appalling to me that you would say I have bad intent when I have been working hard towards reform. You're just slinging baseless accusations and lies at me again and again, you say I'm griefing with absolutely no evidence, just because I'm having a bad game and my team was angry at me. Honestly, you are almost as hateful as the people flaming me in these logs, you've already made up your mind and you'll conjure up any defamation you can to back it up. Very sad, I won't give this game another chance even though I actually really liked it, it's just not worth it.
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Douglas Funnie (NA)
: Well deserved ban. You were intentional feeding, and on top of that you were instigating. You wanted to troll and get toxic reactions from people.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Baseless accusations.
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The Djinn (NA)
: Since you asked me to weigh in: >I will admit I felt compelled to defend myself in chat... Let's take a look. > [{quoted}](name=Opdí,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=p9a1IMoU,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-02T02:23:03.238+0000) > Opdí: it's 4 minutes in and your lane is all over the place > Opdí: get it together.. > Opdí: you can continue letting thresh dive me over and over if you want to lose :/ > Opdí: hey man you're the one who decided to go with a troll pic, tha's not on me. > Opdí: especially when ur lane roaming is the reason for all of this > Opdí: when he's the one who gave it up > Opdí: and picked a troll bot laner > Opdí: look i asked you to do something about the thresh roaming > Opdí: or i said you could keep letting him if you wanted to lose > Opdí: dont say i didnt warn you > Opdí: theres no way i can do anything in a lane where im already hard countered by talon > Opdí: god so toxic dude, relax it's just a game :) > Opdí: but i dont know if i could knowing that i become so engraged to the point of cursing people out over losing a video game xDD The above snippets aren't really a defense. "I've got Shaco, Thresh, and Talon camping mid -- it's a bit rough here" is a defense. "Your lane is out of control and you decided to go with a troll pick and you're letting thresh dive me and your lane roaming is the reason for this" is placing blame. The former is okay, the latter isn't okay -- at least to this extent. A "yeah, your lane is roaming up here 'cause we're not putting enough pressure on them bot" is fine, but a LOT of this log is you putting the responsibility on your teammate, and not in an especially friendly way. That's typically something the system (and the community) views as problematic. > Opdí: wow plz stop being toxic > Opdí: muted, enjoy ur report > Opdí: lol mute him and hes still even toxic > Opdí: plz stop harassing me im sorry im not good at supp > Opdí: but that doesnt make it ok > Opdí: sorry, you cant harass people and then report them for having a bad game > Opdí: u dont get to do that > Opdí: lol is kog still talking in all chat geez > Opdí: althought its be nice if you stop insisting that im inting > Opdí: i dont see how you can say to report me with a straight face. > Opdí: you're the one cursing me out > Opdí: wow so toxic > Opdí: there's no need to get so angry over a video game > Opdí: coulda fooled me though, if you&'re not angry you should stop cursing at me xD > Opdí: it's quite rude > Opdí: such a toxic game lmao > Opdí: kaisa cussing me out all game too even tho were winning These two are significantly more borderline, but you really don't need to go on about how someone is behaving this much. Again, it's something minor, but done often enough it can become an issue: and given how much of it is in two games of yours, it looks like this may be a habit.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
When I said I was defending myself I was talking about when Malz accused me of stealing his role and forcing him to take a mage bot. I realize I could have used better wording when I called it a "troll pick" but I simply meant that he consciously chose to take an unfitting champ bot after knowingly giving up his role. His lane roaming WAS the main reason for my poor performance but I did not intend to place blame as I know my deaths are ultimately my fault. "These two are significantly more borderline, but you really don't need to go on about how someone is behaving this much. Again, it's something minor, but done often enough it can become an issue: and given how much of it is in two games of yours, it looks like this may be a habit." Point taken, I realize now that I should talk even less to flamers and trolls. But this is far from a habit, keep in mind these 3 games are the WORST of the worst they could find in my logs. I had very many games in between these with no such exchanges, and here I was simply trying to calmly ask my team to stop and relax like the summoner's code says.
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Terozu (NA)
: That doesn't answer his question.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Thought it was self-explanatory, I got a 14-day ban for criticizing my teammates' decisions. Mainly for example I had a spat with a jungler who was getting counterjungled hard and I suggested that he focus on defensive warding and ganking lanes that were pushed up to get ahead. He didn't take the criticism well, started blaming me and then in response I pointed out what I thought were the problems with his gameplay. In hindsight this was a bad decision especially considering that he wasn't receptive to criticism initially, so I should have just stopped instead of further provoking him.
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The Djinn (NA)
: Criticizing gameplay constructively and respectfully (or at least neutrally) is absolutely fine. The issue with the thread in question was that the OP referred to his team as children, and dismissed a statement with someone by saying "you can't reason with an idiot." Regardless of how you personally take that (or how I take it, or how he intended it), the simple fact is that the system considers those to be insults. The critique could have been given without those comments, and without the arguments that emerged in his chat log. In short, give constructive criticism, by all means. Just don't insult your teammates when you do so, and realize when it isn't helping and back off, as a consistent barrage of unwanted critique can lead to a bad game experience. If they want to listen, so be it, but you can't educate someone who refuses to listen, and you'll make yourself frustrated if you keep trying past that point.
Opdí (NA)
in > PSA: Constructive criticism
Hello The Djinn, I notice you're very active on calling out people who flame/insult their teammates and post their chat logs here. You seem to ardently defend the current punishment system; how do you feel about this action? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/p9a1IMoU-this-is-permabanabble
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Chermorg (NA)
: No, there isn’t. I’d love to see you link this post that was **only** constructive criticism that resulted in a ban, without any abuse, harassment, or insults.
Opdí (NA)
in > PSA: Constructive criticism
Hi Chermorg, I notice you're very active on calling out people who flame/insult their teammates and post their chat logs here. You seem to ardently defend the current punishment system; how do you feel about this action? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/p9a1IMoU-this-is-permabanabble
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Karunamon (NA)
: I'm telling you what you did wrong. Either take that advice on board and take some responsibility, or continue to rationalize it and get your next account banned. I'm done.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
You're telling me what you _think_ I did wrong** It looks to me like your the one rationalizing here, it's pretty clear that you've already decided to take Riot's side unfalteringly, and that you'll construct any sort of misleading scenario you can think up in your mind to paint my neutral-at-worst actions as some kind of horrible plague on the community. I've taken full responsibility for everything I've said and done. By the way, I'm finding plenty of sympathy for my attitude here :)
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EvilDustMan (NA)
: So how did you get your 14 day ban?
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
I put in a support ticket and they basically told me to stop criticizing teammates' behavior even if I was trying to be constructive. I get that, even if my intentions are good and I'm not flaming that can just lead to arguments. I don't necessarily agree 100%, but I'm willing to change my behavior and play by their rules, so I took their advice and now this.
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Skòll (EUW)
: I hope you realize your attitude here is more toxic than he was in those two games. You should get permabanned for your unsportmanslike attitude.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Don't call his attitude toxic, you might get banned!
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Terozu (NA)
: No. What is happening here is you are ignoring facts because you don't like them. You say you will, but you are not going to seriously consider anything else, since you've already made up your mind. Have a nice day, I hope this gets sorted out for you for better or worse.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Lol, you're refusing to have a discussion with me and then trying to accuse me of doing the same. Why don't you explain to me what facts I'm ignoring? I acknowledged the false positive rate and why I think it's flawed. Are there facts I'm ignoring that explain why I'm wrong in thinking this? Are there some other facts I haven't considered about how Riot reviews them? Help me out here.
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Karunamon (NA)
: > And I DID move on, I never continued to argue with players after issuing these statements. Aside from, yknow, taunting someone you were supposed to have muted. Roughly 80% of your chatlog is arguing, and you forced the rest of the team to mute *you* or be exposed to your silly slapfight. >Riot's IFS hates the keyword "toxic" so much that I deserve to never play again. If your definition of "moving on" is "i can see you standing still you know I muted you right" and "lol is he still talking in all chat", then you have a very different definition of "moving on" than the rest of the world. If you can't understand this, then yes, you need to go play another game. You'll find little sympathy for your attitude here.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
That's taunting? I'm just trying to get my team back on track. I could tell from the context that people were still flaming me in all/team chat, and I thought reminding them that they were muted and it's pointless to type to me would get them to focus on the game and actually play to win instead of continuing to bicker pointlessly and drag down the rest of the team who hadn't muted them. I think you're just reaching really hard here :/
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Terozu (NA)
: You know what. Idc. You aren't going to listen to anything outside your own paradigm. You should wear a tin foil hat. Might save you from Ritos lies.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
I'm willing to listen to other points of view. I read your posts and I explained to you why I think they're not painting the whole picture. You're free to tell me why you think I'm wrong, and I'm open to the possibility that I am wrong but you haven't given me anything to make me think so. Instead you just passive-agressively insulted me for not agreeing with you. You're the only one being closed minded here.
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Terozu (NA)
: It includes, punishments that weren't at all deserved and punishments that were given the wrong severity. Idc whether you believe the truth or not.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Right, and Riot ultimately determines what was deserved and what the right severity was. The problem is that they aren't making these decisions according to the summoner's code, they are much, MUCH stricter once the IFS bot has already punished someone automatically, and what these super-strict rules exactly are is very unclear. They only consider it a false positive in the most extreme circumstances (i.e. someone threatening "say X hateful word or I'll feed" and a player types it and gets banned) and refuse to overturn bans like mine which are clearly undeserved. There could be any number of undeserved bans in that 99%, we just don't know, and Riot will never admit it.
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Karunamon (NA)
: Here's the critical bit - you think "politely explaining the situation" equates to stuff like: >Opdí: god so toxic dude, relax it';s just a game :) Opdí: wow plz stop being toxic Opdí: muted, enjoy ur report Opdí: lol mute him and hes still even toxic Politely explaining the situtation would have been "malz muted" and then *moving the fuck on*. Guess what? Even if he was trolling, the rest of your team doesn't want to or need to hear your further thoughts on the matter. It's bringing meta noise into the game. It's a distraction *at best*. Calling people "toxic" is the exact polar opposite of politeness, no matter how many smiley faces you attach to the end of your statements. You do this four times in both games. Looking at this another way, the *vast majority* of your chat is whining about your teammates or their performance. Not strategizing, but complaints. Not working with them, but complaining about them. For crying out loud you taunt people who you supposedly have muted! >Opdí: morg i can see you standing still rofl Opdí: you know i muted you right xDF # Not acceptable. Not even a little bit. Compare and contrast this against the [summoner's code](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/), and I think you see why you got banned.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Someone already said this and it is absolutely asinine. Do you seriously think "god so toxic dude, relax it';s just a game" is an unacceptable response to "go f* yourself inting f*t?" It's not like it's a newsflash to anyone including the abuser. The only sentiment expressed here is along the lines of "wow, that was really vulgar and hateful, let's just relax here." And I DID move on, I never continued to argue with players after issuing these statements. If they continued to refuse to be civil, I muted them and stopped. But in the end I guess you're right, Riot's IFS hates the keyword "toxic" so much that I deserve to never play again.
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Terozu (NA)
: The only trigger words are outright hate speech and telling others to kill themselves. If you have to 'adjust your mentality' to treat other human beings with basic respect, you deserve the punishment and should not be in a social situation. And its been in place for years.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Nope, among the trigger words are also "reported," "muted," "toxic," and "troll," and variants of those words. Doesn't matter if they're used maliciously or not, just saying them is enough to catch you a ban if you get reported and the bots scan them enough times in your logs.
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Yordletana (NA)
: I don't now. As far as I know, it's never only a couple games, but repeated offenses in the past. I think you may need a Rioter to really clarify things here.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Severity of the penalty aside, it's still absurd that they would punish anyone for these games. Past behavior should obviously come into play when determining the punishment, but not when determining whether or not to punish.
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Terozu (NA)
: The system works extremely well but there are mistakes. Roughly .07-.007%.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
I don't buy that ".07% false positive rate" - that can simply be manipulated by how Tantram chooses to define a false positive. It doesn't mean that the other 99.93% of people are being punished fairly. I suspect they uphold a lot of ridiculous bans like this so they can preserve their statistics and gush about how their system is soooooo perfect.
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Onotori (NA)
: ***
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
You sound like a pleasant person to play with.
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Seekêr (NA)
: Here's how I think of it. You go to a paint ball arena and there are a bunch of kids. One kid says "hey, lets try eachothers guns" so you give him yours, and he gives you his. Now part way through the game. Your team is asking you to do something, and you respond like "its not my fault. That kid is the one who took my gun". See you'd sound like a twit, so the other adults would be like "nah bro, the kid is fine but you're not doing shit" Then you proceed to argue about how bad the kid sucks until the kid runs off and you ruined the game for him. Tldr; you don't know who you're talking to in these games. That is why the rules emphasize toxicity. Because what may not be toxic to my age group, might actually hurt some kids' feelings, and I'm sorry but society changes and young kids are more sensitive. If you wouldnt say it to an 8 year old in front of the parents and kids of the playground(loud enough for everyone to hear you) then dont say it in game.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Ummmmm, except I'm on the opposite end of the situation... The person who switched with me was the one whining "it's not my fault. you took my role, you suck you're not doing shit" etc. to which I didn't argue and only attempted to de-escalate like the summoner's code instructs me to do. I literally said nothing in these games that is too harsh even for an 8 year old (lol)
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Terozu (NA)
: If you think you were misbanned send a support ticket. Only like .07-.007% of punishments are misassigned. The punishment system is very efficient and works very well but it is not perfect. And forgive me if im skeptical of these being unaltered and cherry picked. The vast majority of these cases are.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
They're not altered. You can tell I'm not lying because Tantram & Co. hasn't posted here and exposed my real logs. He refuses to admit that his precious bot has any flaws, and doesn't actually care about the players who are just collateral damage to him.
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Karunamon (NA)
: >I am being RELENTLESSLY flamed in all of these games and I tried to keep my cool I don't understand your thought process here. You were up for a perma, which means you were told on **three** separate occasions over quite a few games that your chat is bad. "This guy is flaming me. Guess I'll go out of my way to *not* click the button that makes them unable to do that anymore, and instead spend more effort in the chat box doing exactly what I've been sanctioned for three different times in the past, even though I've been told that doing it one more time will lead to my account getting lost!" "I lost my account, wtf!" Break it down for me man, what did you expect? Was the two chat restrictions and 2 week ban just not enough? Were the messages and chatlogs from your game not explicit enough? Help me out.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
"If you end up in a game with an abusive player, don't lower yourself to their level. Instead, politely ask them to calm down.And remember, even if you're having a bad game, quitting or going AFK just ruins the game for the rest of the players. If someone's really starting to bother you, the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation." This is word for word from the summoner's code. I read through it after receiving a penalty and followed it to the letter. When people harassed me, I politely explained the situation and asked them to calm down, and if they wouldn't, I muted them - this is EXACTLY what the rules and a support agent instructed me to do. But I still got banned, presumably because Riot's bots don't like the keywords it found. Why else would it pick completely innocuous games where I said nothing remotely negative? Because abusive trolls reported me since they didn't like me, prompting the IFS bots to scan my logs and find that the line "Muted" appears in 3 of them. If this is how they're doling out bans they should actually tell people in the summoner's code so that they actually know the rules they're expected to follow...
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Arammus (EUW)
: well... thats the punishement system WE THE COMMUNITY asked for. if someone "ban baits" or triggers you, thats your bad. WE as the community wanted that.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Nobody wants this, I seriously doubt that the overall community finds these chat logs problematic. IFS is clearly flawed and targets certain keywords with very little common sense or human oversight, and Riot is way too rigid in upholding these auto-bans because they don't want to admit how bad it is. That's certainly what it looks like anyway, especially when Tantram & Co. roast every actual flamer that posts their chat logs and completely ignore threads like this. There's absolutely no way they'll reply to this thread because they refuse to acknowledge the problem.
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Opdí (NA)
: You got played dude. These people act as innocent as possible in chat while doing everything else they possibly can to make the game hell for you. They will not try at all and "soft-int" to make it look to the system that they are just having a bad game, and will usually play dumb/nice to the point of obnoxiousness in chat to bait out a frustrated response. If you have any reaction at all that involves calling out their behavior or "singling them out" then they will report you and claim harassment, and in Riot's eyes no matter what if you criticize their behavior in any way it's considered harassment and is punishable. Even things that don't directly insult their abilities i.e. "why would you do that?" etc. falls under this. Doesn't help that the context of the chat means absolutely nothing when determining your punishment. These people are the absolute worst plague on the community. As much as having flamers and ragers sucks I'd MUCH prefer them to this breed of toxicity. At least you can mute the latter and move on - they'll probably tilt hard but at least they'll try, and it's not like they're actively TRYING to ruin your game, (most of the time) they're usually angry because they WANT to win. The report baiters on the other hand are the lowest of the lowest scum. They are literally sad pathetic children who will waste hours of their life just to ruin your game and try to get you banned.
Opdí (NA)
in > My case i explain at the end what is going on but you can see it in chat logs too
Lol @ the Riot flunkies replying to every single asshole flamer who posts their chatlogs, but are deafeningly silent on the ridiculous unfair bans while they send in the downvote brigades.
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Silent Gravity (NA)
: Saying that you're muting or reporting someone is flagged as negative by the IFS. Accusing people of trolling or being toxic is also flagged as negative by the IFS. ---------------------- If you've already gone through the other tiers of punishment, then continually doing things that are flagged as negative will earn a perma. When you're being relentlessly flamed, mute them.
Opdí (NA)
in > This is Permabanabble???
Wait wait wait, hold on. It's not really "accusing" people of being toxic when they're saying things like "go f*** yourself inting f****t," and I respond with "wow so toxic, relax it's just a game" or similar phrases. It's more like I'm pointing out the obviously self-evident fact that what they just said is extremely toxic and hateful, and politely asking them to relax. And is "Please stop being toxic" really an unacceptable thing to say after someone just called me a "f***ing scrub piece of shit" for dying once? I guess saying "wow so toxic" after reading an extremely insulting all chat comm is just a crime against humanity isn't it? Or lightheartedly pointing out at the very end that this was "such a toxic game" after watching players on both teams curse out their teammates in all chat, that's just downright awful. It's not like these were long exchanges where I was whining constantly about people being toxic or something. I either made a simple observation and said one thing, muted them and carried on, or asked them to stop and did the same. Listen, I get that using other peoples' negative behavior as an excuse is not a valid defense of anything, that's not what I'm trying to argue at all. But it's EXTREMELY disingenuous to try and claim that I'm accusing or insulting anyone in these logs. As for saying you're muting or reporting someone being bannable, just wow. I honestly had no idea about that, what a completely asinine rule. Ask yourself, from the bottom of your heart, is someone who said this who is clearly genuinely trying to improve their behavior REALLY the type of person you never want playing the game again?
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BBW Chaser (EUNE)
: My case i explain at the end what is going on but you can see it in chat logs too
Opdí (NA)
in > My case i explain at the end what is going on but you can see it in chat logs too
You got played dude. These people act as innocent as possible in chat while doing everything else they possibly can to make the game hell for you. They will not try at all and "soft-int" to make it look to the system that they are just having a bad game, and will usually play dumb/nice to the point of obnoxiousness in chat to bait out a frustrated response. If you have any reaction at all that involves calling out their behavior or "singling them out" then they will report you and claim harassment, and in Riot's eyes no matter what if you criticize their behavior in any way it's considered harassment and is punishable. Even things that don't directly insult their abilities i.e. "why would you do that?" etc. falls under this. Doesn't help that the context of the chat means absolutely nothing when determining your punishment. These people are the absolute worst plague on the community. As much as having flamers and ragers sucks I'd MUCH prefer them to this breed of toxicity. At least you can mute the latter and move on - they'll probably tilt hard but at least they'll try, and it's not like they're actively TRYING to ruin your game, (most of the time) they're usually angry because they WANT to win. The report baiters on the other hand are the lowest of the lowest scum. They are literally sad pathetic children who will waste hours of their life just to ruin your game and try to get you banned.
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