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: this right here shows why you have problems. rather than trying to learn something, you just want to keep doing the same thingyou've been doing. It's been said "doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity"
> [{quoted}](name=Quil Evrything,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bUn4EJYq,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-15T16:17:35.395+0000) > > this right here shows why you have problems. rather than trying to learn something, you just want to keep doing the same thingyou've been doing. > It's been said "doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity" What are you even talking about?
eunekid420 (EUNE)
: The player you probably refer to just hasn't finished his provisionals this year yet... he was silver S8. When do people stop making these totally pointless threads where they blame losses upon their team while they self are equally bad? OP has 48% WR in bronze. If you were any better yourself you would climb without problems. It's not teammates/smurfs/matchmaking that prevent you from ranking up, in the end it's all about how you self play.
> [{quoted}](name=eunekid420,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bUn4EJYq,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-04-15T10:49:35.916+0000) > > The player you probably refer to just hasn't finished his provisionals this year yet... he was silver S8. > > When do people stop making these totally pointless threads where they blame losses upon their team while they self are equally bad? OP has 48% WR in bronze. If you were any better yourself you would climb without problems. > > It's not teammates/smurfs/matchmaking that prevent you from ranking up, in the end it's all about how you self play. How does his ranking last season excuse his going Sion JG, only to int, troll, and throw the match? The match before mine he had 11 deaths. The match after? Nine. Were those my fault as well? Further, If he hasn't played enough matches to earn a rank this season, maybe he shouldn't be thrown into an important promotional series? People will stop making these threads when they're no longer punished by match making. I think most folks can suffer a loss to a good opponent without qualm, but to lose because your teammates would rather int and troll than play as a collective is extremely frustrating. But if you're going to mention my winning percentage, also mention that this is my first season, and that I'm carrying a 2.40 KDA or better on the three champs I've played 10 or more matches: https://u.gg/lol/profile/na1/oxóssi/overview https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Ox%C3%B3ssi 65% win rate, averaging 3.12 KDA over my last 20. You'll have to forgive me for not being a Diamond level player that can carry every match, trolls or no.
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: Is this your first year playing? If it is then you're a pretty good player. I remember when I first started, I got placed straight to Bronze V 0lp (the lowest rank possible back in s6 lol) and never managed to climb out until s7. So...there's your boost of morale right there I guess. From your op.gg I do see that you mostly play Illaoi. You do have to understand that she is a very oppressive laner, or a lane bully. You are destined to win lane and get solo kills. Due to this, the champion itself also struggles to teamfight, or just simply work with the team. I'm not good enough of a player to tell you how to improve, but similarly, when I had a streak of Pantheon games (who is also a lane bully) I tend to do very well in lane then basically watch the game turn in the enemy's favor.
> [{quoted}](name=BeastMoses,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TGJBsdUd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-06T16:17:13.469+0000) > > Is this your first year playing? If it is then you're a pretty good player. I remember when I first started, I got placed straight to Bronze V 0lp (the lowest rank possible back in s6 lol) and never managed to climb out until s7. So...there's your boost of morale right there I guess. > > From your op.gg I do see that you mostly play Illaoi. You do have to understand that she is a very oppressive laner, or a lane bully. You are destined to win lane and get solo kills. > Due to this, the champion itself also struggles to teamfight, or just simply work with the team. I'm not good enough of a player to tell you how to improve, but similarly, when I had a streak of Pantheon games (who is also a lane bully) I tend to do very well in lane then basically watch the game turn in the enemy's favor. I played a little bit a few years ago, but not seriously. This is season is my first trying to climb. Thanks for the kind words by the way. I'm doing my best to stay positive, but it's seriously tilting. I have to step away at times.
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rujitra (NA)
: How many of those cases exist? A couple? How many trolls come here complaining about their correct punishments? Many more than a couple? How many trolls don't come complain about their punishments because they don't want to embarrass themselves? A lot? How many murderers do the police miss and never catch? A few? Yet you still don't think they should let all thief's go because they can't catch all the murderers, right? Nobody is perfect, and that doesn't make your behavior okay.
The fact that it happens at all is problematic. Further, it's common knowledge that Riot's disciplinary system is markedly harsher on chat logs than it is on trolling, inting, and afker's. Hardly anyone complains about being banned for trolling or intenting. Especially in contrast to the number of players that complain about chat based punishments. The fact that your analogizing chat infractions with murder is a refection of the absurdly backwards disciplinary system Riot has created.
: You change what you're arguing about in every different reply. Look, here's the bottom line. You gut punished. It doesn't feel good, we understand that. Punishments aren't supposed to feel good. If you don't like the rules and you don't want to accept the consequences of your actions, you have 3 choices here - 1.) Stop playing and take your time and money elsewhere. 2.) Play out your chat restriction and then follow the rules even if you don't like them. 3.) Continue to do what you're doing and get removed from the game permanently.
Point out an example. I'll wait(you wont, or cant rather, because you're leaning on an ad hominem). I don't think you work for Riot, so why have you adopted the role of lecturer? Your tendency to derail discussion because you dislike the opinion of the person you're arguing with is very toxic.
: Let him be, rujitra. You're going to drive yourself nuts trying to convince him of anything.
When you have to lean on fallacies because your logic isn't up to par, you've lost. Nothing's occurred over this discussion that's even remotely problematic, so stop trying to quell it.
rujitra (NA)
: It's almost like Riot punishes players who are not playing to win or sabotaging their own team.
If that were the case we wouldn't have documented cases of players trolling hundreds of matches before being flagged by Riot's disciplinary system. It's almost like you care more about what players say, then how they act. And here I thought actions spoke louder than words.
: Just like any competitive environment, yes you're supposed to care about winning. You're also supposed to be OK with losing. A team is going to lose every match, whether it's League or football.
The argument isn't whether or not someone is supposed to be ok with losing, but whether or not they're supposed to be ok with suffering trolls, intentional feeders, and players that do not care about the outcome of matches. And in that context, League is not like any other competitive environment. It is unique in it's willingness to enable trolls under the guise of fighting "toxicity".
rujitra (NA)
: You're literally saying that bad people should be punished just because they're bad. Bad players will be ranked lower than better players. That's how it works.
- I'm literally saying that, if LoL is a competitive e-sport, you shouldn't allowed to repeatedly sabotage your own team. - Bad or good, players should be expected to play to win. Just like every other sport. Not playing to win, or not wanting to win, should disqualify a player from competing in ranked.
rujitra (NA)
: No, you don't get to determine that. You're allowed to go get the tournament official or the rec staff and ask them to investigate. You don't get to take matters into your own hands. That is reality, even if you conveniently forget it or choose to ignore it.
I can literally link youtube clips of players getting into it without consequence in practically every professional sport: NBA: Players talking trash to one another. Almost always involves curse words, insults, flame, etc. NFL: Players getting into it after practically every play. NHL: Fights MLB: Bench clearing brawls Soccer: Banter, fouls, physical confrontations, etc. All of these incidents occur even at the amateur level of the aforementioned sports. And it is largely accepted, expected, and condoned do to the competitive context. On the other hand, do you know what all of these sports have in common? An Intolerance for anti-competitive behavior. But you have that "Specialist" tag, so I'm sure you'll continue to act obtuse in the name of defending Riot's contradictory policies.
rujitra (NA)
: No, there's not. But dying 10-15 times does not mean intentional feeding. By the way, most players understand that you're going to win some games and lose some. Losing a game is part of playing a multiplayer competitive game. But being flamed is not. Likewise, you may not like a movie you paid to see. That's part of going to the movies though, so you don't throw a hissy fit about it if the movie didn't live up to your expectations. You still don't want to see someone flinging popcorn around or screaming during the movie.
If you're a veteran account that hasn't learned that needlessly and repeatedly dying negatively affects your teams morale, as well as the outcome of matches, then it is intentional. Arguing otherwise nullifies the responsibility of players to learn how to properly play this game. If that responsibility doesn't exist, particularly in ranked, then Riot needs to stop selling LoL as a competitive e-sport. Because in no other competitive context, even down to the amateurs, are participants expected to suffer teammates that do not care about winning. Players also understand the flaw and innate unfairness of Riot's disciplinary system. Losing a game is not the problem, it's losing via players that troll and intentionally feed that causes frustration amongst players that actually care about how their performance affects their teams. Finally, your analogy is inappropriate because attending a movie isn't a competition. Rest assured, if a teammate in your local rec basketball game received a pass and immediately launchd the ball out of bounds, or ran it down the other side of the court to score in his own goal, he'd be immediately pulled from the game. The backlash this player would receive from teammates would be both expected and accepted.
: Mocking others for their level, score or rank is not proper or acceptable. Just ignore the trolls.
So I'm supposed to care about winning, but not care about players intentionally trolling and or intentionally feeding? Am I to have no emotional investment in my matches?
rujitra (NA)
: You can disagree. You can constructively comment on their performance. You go join a pickup team and start harassing or flaming your teammates, see how fast they tell you to get lost, or you get banned from whatever rec center you're playing at.
You'll be more than harassed or flamed if you intentionally throw even rec games. You'd be disallowed from competing at all, and those teammates that were intolerant of said anti-competitive behavior wouldn't be punished for it. Additionally, banter and high emotions are accepted as core components of competitive sports. Drop the apologists act and join us in reality, mate.
: You can be frustrated, but if you express that frustration in the wrong way, you're quickly going to find yourself not welcome in those pickup games. You're not the captain nor the coach.
I don't know what sports you follow, but even professional matches get heated. Sometimes even amongst players of the same team. Generally speaking, unless it boils over into a physical altercation or is aimed at an official, it occurs without consequence because it's handlers understand that emotions run high in a competitive context. On the other hand, you'll never see players intentionally troll or throw even pickup games because the consequences are immediate. You'd be pushed off your team and barred from playing.
rujitra (NA)
: Excuse me? Intentionally feeding is **more** subjective because you are attempting to get into the mind of someone else and determine **intent**. It's not enough that they **fed**, you have to prove that they did what they did for the sole purpose of **intentionally** feeding. That is not only extremely subjective, but very hard. On the other hand, you harassing your teammates, blaming and flaming them, and hardly ever using chat for something useful? That's pretty clear.
There's nothing subjective about routinely dying 10-15 times. As many players have shown before, you can troll and or intentionally feed hundreds of games, but so long as you avoid chat there's a good chance you'll also avoid discipline. What's clear is that "toxicity" is subjective and avoidable, whereas dodging trolls and intentional feeders is not. What's also clear is that one of these things throws matches, ruining the experience of the remaining nine players, whereas a I player can simply turn off chat if he or she so chooses. Oddly, RIot and its apologists care more about "toxic language", than a toxic playing environment.
rujitra (NA)
: Riot didn't force you to be toxic to the other players. You say they fostered it, but in reality, *you* fostered it by being toxic. You realize it someone is intentionally feeding they're looking to get a reaction from you? And when you flame them, you're giving them that reaction? So they're just going to keep trolling?
I realize that there are people that will rationalize an injustice no matter obvious or inane. If anything, I've noticed you are a specialist at that. Toxicity is subjective(and avoidable via the mute button) by the way. Intentionally feeding is not.
Anl0rian (NA)
: Well deserved. Constant BM, light flame, nothing constructive said in chat. Your last game isn't the problem, it's the previous 2.
Does another competitive exist where getting upset within reason is disallowed? For example, I obviously can't punch my teammate in the mouth in a pickup game after a bad play, but I can certainly voice my displeasure with his decision making if it's hurting the team. Meanwhile, if a player in the same context were intentionally sabotaging his side he wouldn't be allowed to play anymore.
: You're other thread is still there, and as I said in that one, you aren't the team captain, nobody is required to listen to your instructions or abuse. Stop goddamm typing and focus on yourself.
And as I said in that one, your posts is exactly why I intend to no longer communicate with my teammates. Doing so does far more harm than good, while Riot doesn't care about the trolls and intentional feeders anyway. Yi dies twice early, starts flaming me for it, finishes 0/10/10, and I'm punished because I replied in frustration. That's the toxic environment Riot has fostered in the name of fighting toxicity. Well done.
: You aren't the team captain. Stop goddamn typing so much and play the game. Nobody is required to do what you tell them to do.
And this is exactly why I'm blocking out teammates going forward. Generally they tend to be enemies too.
Rioter Comments
: Finally got a chat restriction after 6 years of playing I can't play ranked anymore.
This game enables trolls and intentional feeders under the guise of combating "toxicity". As if there's anything more toxic than a "teammate" intentionally throwing matches.
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: Illaoi will never build spear lol, I know its suggested but that would be trolling. She needs both deaths dance and steraks way too much to ever buy it and then in team fights her w already has a 1.5ish s cd and you aren't getting any more off because she won't stop to auto. Why do you think illaoi is the only ad bruiser that doesnt build triforce? Her base as won't let her
But Illaoi does build TF? She also builds Spear to good effect according to lolalytics.

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