: > [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3PHZrNEp,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-12-12T03:03:22.459+0000) > > The reason why Kai'sa {{champion:145}} is the way she is is because monsters don't sell well. I don't see Riot moving away from that in the near future considering that sort of track record and the skin favoritism record. Don't use a bad example to back up an argument, im sure the point ur trying to make is very valid, but some people won't be able to get past the bad evidence ur using. Sure most monster champs don't sell well rn bc they either have uninteresting, easily countered, underpowered kits, or they straight up DON'T call them monsters Ex: Kha'zix. But I assure u, if they released Kai'sa with the kit she has now, and lore, and the ONLY thing they changed were her visiuals so she had no skin showing and always had the helmet on, she'd still be played, and she'd still sell skins, even if they look a bit different, why? Bc shes super strong rn. The visual appeal will always help but thats only part of what sells skins, people have to PLAY the champ first, bc if it were ALL about visuals then Sol would outcompete everyone, bc on a poll of what american think is the best looking champs Sol ranks top 10, but they don't buy his skins bc his kit is hard, niche, uninteresting, easily countered, and underpowered, ESPECIALLY for his role as a battle mage. so this argument is flawed in that visuals don't sell, its gameplay. Kai'sa wouldnt sell jack no matter what she looked like if they gave her Sol's kit instead. and again Kai'sa's visual design is terrible and we all know it so don't use it to back up and argument
> [{quoted}](name=FlameHalbrdOkido,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3PHZrNEp,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-12-12T07:30:23.659+0000) > > Don't use a bad example to back up an argument, im sure the point ur trying to make is very valid, but some people won't be able to get past the bad evidence ur using. > > Sure most monster champs don't sell well rn bc they either have uninteresting, easily countered, underpowered kits, or they straight up DON'T call them monsters Ex: Kha'zix. But I assure u, if they released Kai'sa with the kit she has now, and lore, and the ONLY thing they changed were her visiuals so she had no skin showing and always had the helmet on, she'd still be played, and she'd still sell skins, even if they look a bit different, why? Bc shes super strong rn. The visual appeal will always help but thats only part of what sells skins, people have to PLAY the champ first, bc if it were ALL about visuals then Sol would outcompete everyone, bc on a poll of what american think is the best looking champs Sol ranks top 10, but they don't buy his skins bc his kit is hard, niche, uninteresting, easily countered, and underpowered, ESPECIALLY for his role as a battle mage. > > so this argument is flawed in that visuals don't sell, its gameplay. Kai'sa wouldnt sell jack no matter what she looked like if they gave her Sol's kit instead. > > and again Kai'sa's visual design is terrible and we all know it so don't use it to back up and argument Um. People are going to spam a champ if they're meta. That does not pertain only to Kai'Sa. The champ just falls back to extremely low popularity afterward if they are more monsterlike. Kai'Sa isn't a bad example. She's Riot's efforts of making a champ more visually appealing despite her lore so that she sells better.
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OctoBit (NA)
: Can we get another Monster Champion already??!!
The reason why Kai'sa {{champion:145}} is the way she is is because monsters don't sell well. I don't see Riot moving away from that in the near future considering that sort of track record and the skin favoritism record.
: Seriously. And what if the person who shares your username doesn't play anymore? It's totally backwards to make the *least* active people get priority on usernames. Instead, make it so when the name change is required, the first person to log in after that point claims the username and everyone else needs to change.
> And what if the person who shares your username doesn't play anymore? I kept asking Riot this question and they kept telling me they aren't allowed to talk about other people's accounts. I asked them what if the name on one of my inactive accounts didn't change and they stopped responding. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Tentaku (EUNE)
: I don't mind Trynda when he is a rare sight, but when his playrate raises he needs to be dealt with
I kinda hate that the way to deal with Tryn after laning phase is to just not interact with him at all and just run it down mid and maul his team in a 5v4. There's no champ that can match him unless he straight up fed his ass off early game, and even then, you can't kill him cuz he runs away with ult. He's the literal definition of a noninteractive champion. The reason why he isn't picked in pro is because pros are way better at managing waves and lanes and taking advantage of unbalanced teamfights. The average player does not know how to deal with those things.
: Why Does Ludens Proc Spellshield?
Imo, ludens is the thing that needs to be reworked. I dunno why my health bar needs to be punished when a teammate gets hit.
: PBE Yuumi
Wait for her next skin if you want Riot to buff her. I don't think they care atm.
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: > [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=P6PzXAwc,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-11-26T22:24:40.899+0000) > > I'm hoping this is a bug. :/ > > I haven't changed my name yet. All my normal usernames are taken by me lol If you havent changed your username, think of whether or not you have any alt accounts (beta or in other regions) that you might have used that username for as well. Because they have to be globally unique, this is definitely causign conflicts for some of us. If you do have other accounts, you could try loging into them first and adjusting their usernames before coming back. Its less of a bug, and more of an oversight for people playing on multiple regions. In some cases, i would not at all be surprised if usernames got stolen ahead of time, because apparently we all missed the memo that this was going to happen.
> [{quoted}](name=MyTagforHalo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=P6PzXAwc,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-11-26T22:35:21.255+0000) > > If you havent changed your username, think of whether or not you have any alt accounts (beta or in other regions) that you might have used that username for as well. Because they have to be globally unique, this is definitely causign conflicts for some of us. If you do have other accounts, you could try loging into them first and adjusting their usernames before coming back. > > Its less of a bug, and more of an oversight for people playing on multiple regions. In some cases, i would not at all be surprised if usernames got stolen ahead of time, because apparently we all missed the memo that this was going to happen. Oh I see. That makes sense. I'll try that first. Thanks! Edit: Ok there is no way that all the usernames I have tried so far are taken. Wtf Riot. I've tried like 20. Edit: Alright I changed my username and it is still prompting me to change my name on my main account.
: Why am I not allowed to keep my old Username for login anymore
I'm hoping this is a bug. :/ I haven't changed my name yet. All my normal usernames are taken by me lol
: Seriously, though, has everyone just forgotten that Sona exists?
It's kinda weird cuz Sona uses magic along with being a musician and Demacian hates magic now. Previously I thought of her as a musical celebrity with some cool magic and now she can't use that half of her because of the new Demacian lore. So...I guess now she's just a celebrity with normal music? There needs to a be a short with her and Lux.
: Can we make Zyra more into a mid laner please
OP how do you propose Riot does that?
: TFT sucks now
I've won with a variety of teamcomps. Ocean doesn't seem more overbearing than other comps to me.
Banuvan (NA)
: Why am I forced to change my username?
Ok yeah this. Wtf Riot. Why can't I just keep my username.
: > [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IcIcP6fw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-25T01:47:17.663+0000) > > I'm actually really happy to see a thread like this. I RP'd Elise for a really long time and have a ton of HCs for her and everything involving the Black Rose and Noxus and stuff. > > First, let's look at things from LB's point of view. While we are not exactly entirely sure what her agenda is, we do know she runs a secret organization that pulls the strings of Noxus in the background. That's said, it is safe to assume that LB is extremely proficient at strategizing and planning and being two steps ahead of her opponents. Also, from the pale woman lore, we know that LB is not human/immortal/long-lasting to some degree. She passes we'll call it her "soul" from one vessel to the next in order to survive. In order for all of her plans to be successful, LB would need a loyal, powerful inner ring that she can share secrets with, and preferably, not have to recycle that ring every generation. If you recall petal and thorn from a lore story a while back, that is what I believe Elise and Vlad to be. LB starts the relationship off by giving Elise something she wants. This means that she already has a good amount of knowledge regarding who Elise is and what happened to her. Remember that Elise became extremely reclusive for a long time after she was disfigured, so only someone with good connections and an agenda would approach her. Elise has now bound herself to the Black Rose, and as you stated, she has a symbiotic relationship with the Black Rose. > > So back to your question, why would Elise choose to not be independent? LB's sacrifices are merely a convenience for her, so they clearly don't hold too much weight. But LB has some other things. First, she has secrets, not only of Elise, but of other things too. Knowledge is power. And Elise is definitely attracted to power. I think LB would have seen potential in Elise, and taught her magic - ancient, arcane, you name it. The Black Rose likely also had some other resources available too that are only accessible to members. Of course, LB's teachings wouldn't come for free and she would need Elise to carry out some other Black Rose related duties as well. This would be LB covering all her bases and ensuring loyalty as much as possible because you wouldn't want something as powerful as the woman you've created to turn against you. And kind of my own personal thing, but I think the Black Rose uses some form of blood magic that prevents Elise from harming LB and potentially vice versa. So LB has a lot of things over Elise, but I think she's smart enough to know that the best form of loyalty is trust, which tends to be a two-way street. She'd begin to entrust things that no one has ever known to the Spider Queen - the vulnerability of her vessel for instance. And Elise helps with that transition (along with Vlad). By this point, the two know so many secrets about each other, that it'd be the dumbest thing to do to break all ties and be independent. Betrayal is just going to be an enormous headache and get someone killed. And that's what LB wants - a circle of powerful people she can trust who hold sway over her just as she does them. In a way, she's tied their hands through a twisted form of blackmail, but Elise, Vlad, and Cass just stay because it's so beneficial. > > I believe that Elise's ultimate agenda is to become immortal without Vilemaw's help. Essentially she wants Vilemaw's power. To do that, she will most likely need the Black Rose. It's a means to an end, but there's no reason to be burning bridges even afterward. > > Cass ended up bonded to the Black Rose because of her snake curse. She needs their resources now that she's not human. But that's what LB wanted in the first place. > > I actually don't hold too much of an interest in Vlad so I haven't put a lot of thought into his character. He likely has his own deal with LB. > > So I don't think Riot needs to separate these four characters. I want a story that ties them all together. In fact, it'd be cool to see a longer story featuring them working together. > > In response to some other things: > > I don't think LB is breathing down their necks. If she were to abuse the relationships she had, then it would make them betray her. Instead, her inner circle acknowledges that they do have responsibilities, and it's more akin to an agreement that they have realized over time. There's always an "or else" tacked onto LB's requests, but she knows that it goes both ways. That's how she garners respect and maintains her balance of power. Over time, this has transitioned into characters doing their own independent thing, but they come together for Black Rose purposes. The one person that got away with this shit is Swain when he betrayed the Black Rose, but that's a whole different story. And LB likely has a trump card somewhere that no one has ever heard of, but who knows? > > Just a little more about the Black Rose - they are definitely the epitome of a shit ton of evil things involving murder, betrayal, and deceit, but LB is extremely careful about keeping members of the inner circle from directing those things at each other, which is why she also needs to choose them very carefully. ~~There are some weird ass love triangles going around too I'm sure.~~ > > I headcanon Elise as having a telepathic connection to her spiderlings and can sense what they sense. Her spiderlings aren't animals but beings of dark magic. The eggs she lays are just her funneling dark magic into a pocket, and it lays dormant until it needs to hatch. This means she doesn't absolutely have to lay eggs; it's just a way to store magic. That also means she can summon spiderlings at will. > > As for Vilemaw, he is kinda lore dead, but I have my own HCs for how he became what he did and how he could appear in other places in Runeterra. Another time though. I already typed waaaaay too much. > > Edit: I also just want to point out that Elise becoming the Spider Queen was entirely unintended given LB's plans so yeah just some food for thought. What do you do when a pawn of yours comes back as a really powerful being? =u= > > Edit 2: Wouldn't it be interesting if Elise's husband had actually gotten the poison from the Black Rose? >8) Ok, first off, where have you been??? Such an amazing analysis I love it! Thank you for putting this much effort into your reply! My issue is that while I understand that being in the Black Rose is beneficial to most of their members, we do not understand how beneficent it is.. I wish to see that more explored, the benefits and rivalries between their high ranking members! And I guess that LBs knowledge is something that is greatly valued among the members but I would like to know about more stuff that keeps the circle together. Also I was quite intrigued when you pointed out that Elise may want Vilemaws powers... We would need to explore his being a bit more which the narrative has not yet done however, do you really think Elise would be able to snatch his powers? While I do think that that is possible, there is also the possibility of her being too devoted to him. Funny to think maybe she would actually use and betray the Black Rose for Vilemaw instead of the other way around? What if she is so devoted to him that she is syphoning power and instruments from the BR to help him maybe become free or even more powerful? Or maybe your suspicion is correct in assuming that she wants him dead, tho hopefully that does not somehow kill her? Wow, interesting to think about! I do not mind a story that ties all 4 of them together I just primarily wish for a story that tells us about how despite them being part of the organization, they are indeed rivaled by each other constantly and executing their own plans first and then worrying about the BR and its needs second. That is also clever, pointing out that Spiderlings are just some kind of dark magic and that the eggs are actually hosting magic. And yes the BR poisoning Elise would be a hell of a twist! But I can see it be the case. Someone as determined as her being used to get a dagger from the Shadow Isles! Tho it truly would be surprising for LeBlanc to have her pawn come back as powerful as she did. All that remains now is keep that secret if it is true because if Elise was to find out, there would be consequences given the already existing fight for power.
> [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IcIcP6fw,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-25T05:54:12.513+0000) > > Ok, first off, where have you been??? Such an amazing analysis I love it! Thank you for putting this much effort into your reply! > > My issue is that while I understand that being in the Black Rose is beneficial to most of their members, we do not understand how beneficent it is.. I wish to see that more explored, the benefits and rivalries between their high ranking members! And I guess that LBs knowledge is something that is greatly valued among the members but I would like to know about more stuff that keeps the circle together. > > Also I was quite intrigued when you pointed out that Elise may want Vilemaws powers... We would need to explore his being a bit more which the narrative has not yet done however, do you really think Elise would be able to snatch his powers? While I do think that that is possible, there is also the possibility of her being too devoted to him. Funny to think maybe she would actually use and betray the Black Rose for Vilemaw instead of the other way around? What if she is so devoted to him that she is syphoning power and instruments from the BR to help him maybe become free or even more powerful? Or maybe your suspicion is correct in assuming that she wants him dead, tho hopefully that does not somehow kill her? Wow, interesting to think about! > > I do not mind a story that ties all 4 of them together I just primarily wish for a story that tells us about how despite them being part of the organization, they are indeed rivaled by each other constantly and executing their own plans first and then worrying about the BR and its needs second. > > That is also clever, pointing out that Spiderlings are just some kind of dark magic and that the eggs are actually hosting magic. > > And yes the BR poisoning Elise would be a hell of a twist! But I can see it be the case. Someone as determined as her being used to get a dagger from the Shadow Isles! Tho it truly would be surprising for LeBlanc to have her pawn come back as powerful as she did. All that remains now is keep that secret if it is true because if Elise was to find out, there would be consequences given the already existing fight for power. I think the reason why we don't know a lot of things about the BR is because Riot doesn't know what to do with it. Thus we just kinda end up assuming a bunch of things. Regarding Vilemaw's powers, anything is possible. I don't think Elise would betray the BR. The BR has influence and so many connections while Vilemaw is closed off and practically a myth. There is no reason for her to choose Vilemaw over BR if she could take his power. I don't see her devoted to him at all. If she's taking power from the artifacts, then that's something LB has already thought about and she has some implements to prevent Elise from abusing that, whatever they are. I don't know if these guys are rivals. I mean I dunno if that's the word I would use? The thing is LB has so many secrets that if you were to kill her, then what? I guess you inherit her organization, but even people in the inner circle barely knows its purpose. It's also super shady and not public. Then there's also the question - do you DARE to kill her? And I think that's what keeps a bunch of people at bay.
: The current state of Elise & Vilemaw
I'm actually really happy to see a thread like this. I RP'd Elise for a really long time and have a ton of HCs for her and everything involving the Black Rose and Noxus and stuff. First, let's look at things from LB's point of view. While we are not exactly entirely sure what her agenda is, we do know she runs a secret organization that pulls the strings of Noxus in the background. That's said, it is safe to assume that LB is extremely proficient at strategizing and planning and being two steps ahead of her opponents. Also, from the pale woman lore, we know that LB is not human/immortal/long-lasting to some degree. She passes we'll call it her "soul" from one vessel to the next in order to survive. In order for all of her plans to be successful, LB would need a loyal, powerful inner ring that she can share secrets with, and preferably, not have to recycle that ring every generation. If you recall petal and thorn from a lore story a while back, that is what I believe Elise and Vlad to be. LB starts the relationship off by giving Elise something she wants. This means that she already has a good amount of knowledge regarding who Elise is and what happened to her. Remember that Elise became extremely reclusive for a long time after she was disfigured, so only someone with good connections and an agenda would approach her. Elise has now bound herself to the Black Rose, and as you stated, she has a symbiotic relationship with the Black Rose. So back to your question, why would Elise choose to not be independent? LB's sacrifices are merely a convenience for her, so they clearly don't hold too much weight. But LB has some other things. First, she has secrets, not only of Elise, but of other things too. Knowledge is power. And Elise is definitely attracted to power. I think LB would have seen potential in Elise, and taught her magic - ancient, arcane, you name it. The Black Rose likely also had some other resources available too that are only accessible to members. Of course, LB's teachings wouldn't come for free and she would need Elise to carry out some other Black Rose related duties as well. This would be LB covering all her bases and ensuring loyalty as much as possible because you wouldn't want something as powerful as the woman you've created to turn against you. And kind of my own personal thing, but I think the Black Rose uses some form of blood magic that prevents Elise from harming LB and potentially vice versa. So LB has a lot of things over Elise, but I think she's smart enough to know that the best form of loyalty is trust, which tends to be a two-way street. She'd begin to entrust things that no one has ever known to the Spider Queen - the vulnerability of her vessel for instance. And Elise helps with that transition (along with Vlad). By this point, the two know so many secrets about each other, that it'd be the dumbest thing to do to break all ties and be independent. Betrayal is just going to be an enormous headache and get someone killed. And that's what LB wants - a circle of powerful people she can trust who hold sway over her just as she does them. In a way, she's tied their hands through a twisted form of blackmail, but Elise, Vlad, and Cass just stay because it's so beneficial. I believe that Elise's ultimate agenda is to become immortal without Vilemaw's help. Essentially she wants Vilemaw's power. To do that, she will most likely need the Black Rose. It's a means to an end, but there's no reason to be burning bridges even afterward. Cass ended up bonded to the Black Rose because of her snake curse. She needs their resources now that she's not human. But that's what LB wanted in the first place. I actually don't hold too much of an interest in Vlad so I haven't put a lot of thought into his character. He likely has his own deal with LB. So I don't think Riot needs to separate these four characters. I want a story that ties them all together. In fact, it'd be cool to see a longer story featuring them working together. In response to some other things: I don't think LB is breathing down their necks. If she were to abuse the relationships she had, then it would make them betray her. Instead, her inner circle acknowledges that they do have responsibilities, and it's more akin to an agreement that they have realized over time. There's always an "or else" tacked onto LB's requests, but she knows that it goes both ways. That's how she garners respect and maintains her balance of power. Over time, this has transitioned into characters doing their own independent thing, but they come together for Black Rose purposes. The one person that got away with this shit is Swain when he betrayed the Black Rose, but that's a whole different story. And LB likely has a trump card somewhere that no one has ever heard of, but who knows? Just a little more about the Black Rose - they are definitely the epitome of a shit ton of evil things involving murder, betrayal, and deceit, but LB is extremely careful about keeping members of the inner circle from directing those things at each other, which is why she also needs to choose them very carefully. ~~There are some weird ass love triangles going around too I'm sure.~~ I headcanon Elise as having a telepathic connection to her spiderlings and can sense what they sense. Her spiderlings aren't animals but beings of dark magic. The eggs she lays are just her funneling dark magic into a pocket, and it lays dormant until it needs to hatch. This means she doesn't absolutely have to lay eggs; it's just a way to store magic. That also means she can summon spiderlings at will. As for Vilemaw, he is kinda lore dead, but I have my own HCs for how he became what he did and how he could appear in other places in Runeterra. Another time though. I already typed waaaaay too much. Edit: I also just want to point out that Elise becoming the Spider Queen was entirely unintended given LB's plans so yeah just some food for thought. What do you do when a pawn of yours comes back as a really powerful being? =u= Edit 2: Wouldn't it be interesting if Elise's husband had actually gotten the poison from the Black Rose? >8)
: > [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wAQGmFOh,comment-id=000900000000000100000001,timestamp=2019-11-23T21:24:28.290+0000) > > I mean I don't know your play style but I find ludens and dark harvest to be extremely inefficient on Zyra. I'm wondering more about the dark harvest than anything. Zyra can stack dark harvest fairly quickly in botlane. In a teamfight she can proc it multiple times each time she gets a kill which is extra damage. Also dont forget that her plants can proc dark harvest. Comet for example is definetetly better in early but dark harvest can multiproc and with it scaling better its more suited as a "burst rune" for mid+ game. I know i was in the minority as a DH user but it's definetetly a good rune for her
> [{quoted}](name=Xalasmeni Banana,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wAQGmFOh,comment-id=0009000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-24T01:46:51.549+0000) > > Zyra can stack dark harvest fairly quickly in botlane. > In a teamfight she can proc it multiple times each time she gets a kill which is extra damage. > > Also dont forget that her plants can proc dark harvest. > > Comet for example is definetetly better in early but dark harvest can multiproc and with it scaling better its more suited as a "burst rune" for mid+ game. > > I know i was in the minority as a DH user but it's definetetly a good rune for her I used to use DH on her before the nerf, but now I go electrocute. I prefer to put emphasis on early game laning phase since I feel like it has more impact on the turnout of the game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wAQGmFOh,comment-id=0009000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-23T12:24:08.266+0000) > > {{champion:143}} {{champion:63}} support build was never luden's. If anyone build luden's they bad. > > Rylai Liandry was always their items after frostfang. > > Edit: Maybe a zhonyas vs assassin comps Are you calling me bad then? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} I main Zyra and i always build Luden's after frostfang It gives 20% CDR which is huge. Empowers your aoe more and lets your proc dark harvest more reliably.
I mean I don't know your play style but I find ludens and dark harvest to be extremely inefficient on Zyra. I'm wondering more about the dark harvest than anything.
: So you missed the part where unlike you I actually looked at the data. They're not above 3% while you also used champions like swain and pyke who aren't damage supports they're picked for utility also showing you have no clue wtf a damage support is since xerath support will do a good amount of damage in the game whereas pyke will not he has high damage in lane then after the rest comes from his ult he will be near the bottom of the damage charts and same with swain. Again if you actually look at what is being picked damage champions are the least played. Like you fucking said the "The median is 3.73%" while included champions that are non damage supports SO YOU GOT AROUND 4% WHICH IS NOT WELL ABOVE 3%. I said hook champions then enchanters also since I was listing what is being played which is THE FUCKING POINT.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8pRrWpWE,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-16T00:29:05.584+0000) > > So you missed the part where unlike you I actually looked at the data. They're not above 3% while you also used champions like swain and pyke who aren't damage supports they're picked for utility also showing you have no clue wtf a damage support is since xerath support will do a good amount of damage in the game whereas pyke will not he has high damage in lane then after the rest comes from his ult he will be near the bottom of the damage charts and same with swain. > > Again if you actually look at what is being picked damage champions are the least played. > > Like you fucking said the "The median is 3.73%" while included champions that are non damage supports SO YOU GOT AROUND 4% WHICH IS NOT WELL ABOVE 3%. > > I said hook champions then enchanters also since I was listing what is being played which is THE FUCKING POINT. *blink* Ok so I don't think you know the definition of presence. (I mean if you argue pyke and swain it seems more like a difference in opinion to me. I personally think they're both good in catch and damage potential)
: Ummmmm what? I'm not at all I backed up my claim unlike you. It really shows you have no argument since you can't give a counter point lol.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8pRrWpWE,comment-id=00010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-15T11:28:04.328+0000) > > Ummmmm what? I'm not at all I backed up my claim unlike you. > > It really shows you have no argument since you can't give a counter point lol. - I tell you damage supports have good presence. - You tell me it sucks and is like 3%. - I present you with a website that indicates their presence is well above 3%. - You now tell me that those champions aren't good because hook champs are at the top. You see where you suddenly jumped?
: Guy you don't understand statistics if those champions were good they would all be near the top but there not. Hook champions then enchanters then damage support that is the order of there playrates. Also swain support isn't about his damage like you thinking pyke and swain are picked for damage is like saying bard is picked for healing you don't understand what champions do in the support role.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8pRrWpWE,comment-id=000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-13T11:26:04.830+0000) > > Guy you don't understand statistics if those champions were good they would all be near the top but there not. Hook champions then enchanters then damage support that is the order of there playrates. > > Also swain support isn't about his damage like you thinking pyke and swain are picked for damage is like saying bard is picked for healing you don't understand what champions do in the support role. I see the claim you made got blown out of the water so now you're conveniently ignoring it. Ok. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Its not the -game- I have the problem with its the obscene level of narcissism, entitlement, arrogance, and conceit that the player base has developed. basically Players que up but they are not looking for teammates, they are looking for 4 others to be thier personal cheerleader section. There to pat them on the back and tell them how amazing they are. Anyone who ISNT there to inflate thier ego or dares to burst thier "im the best, youa re all trash" bubble is seen as "toxic" I mean you tell people that "you sign into an objective game, and then proceed to ignore the objective, You lose the match, its that simple" and that is enough to get you banned. these people think they are "too good" that they think as long as they reach a certain # of kills, towers are optional. I had a recent game where had a {{champion:5}} jungle. He went 1/10 but spent the whole game refusing surrender votes and telling us "I'm literally a pro" so yeah, It drives me up the wall that a decent game can have such an obscenely narcissist community. too full of themselves to see anyone ELSE as their equals.
Players are part of the game. If you have an issue with players, then that is also grounds to find a new game. I looked you up. You're lvl 35, which might mean your games are filled with smurfs or players who were previously banned.
Falrein (EUW)
: What are your biggest fears regarding your favourite champions/regions' future?
Lorewise Riot has already ruined a good number of champions by changing them to a point beyond recognition. The Kayle Morgana thing being the most recent one I think. Zyra's lore was always shit, and her midseason mage update made her more unfun. Elise's lore change was surprisingly ok, although reading it just makes me feel like someone grabbed people's headcanons off tumblr and mashed them all together. Her spider form E is buggy in the opposite way now, but no one cares because it affects her negatively.
xGvPx (NA)
: Is the Akali hoodie for real?
I....wouldn't buy that hoodie for $5. What is that design even
Kivolan (NA)
: What Is Being Done to Address Mobility?
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: > [{quoted}](name=5050BS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=11xbRRcu,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2019-11-12T22:46:13.319+0000) > > We need a lot more "Grounding" effects in the game. > > {{champion:143}} Ult zone should be grounding for one. While that would 100% make sense, boi would i hate being caught in that as a squishy. Still not a terrible decision, i say lower the base damage along with that change
While this would be cool af, I think that makes her more oppressive in the support role and would bring about other changes. After Riot's shitfest of alterations for Zyra, I would rather they not touch her because quite frankly, I don't trust Riot.
: and yet you are not allowed to inform these players or try and correct them or you will be deemed "Toxic" and get chat restricted and eventually banned because you are being "negative" and "Ruining thier experience" by telling them "no, I am not your personal lane doorstop. I am not your lane slave. I am support. I am here to keep the team alive, not chase kills" and they respond with "/all "Report my support, griefing and toxic"
Tbh you sound like you're just having a bad time with this game in general, so maybe it might be time to move on to find something that makes you happy to play. I'm a support main. I don't waste time arguing with people nor do I respond to those who are toxic. I give advice nicely when pertinent, and if they respond negatively, that's their problem. Even when I was in bronze, I had very few issues with people actively being toxic. The majority of people actually want to win and are willing to work with their teammates to do so, even if they don't necessarily know how.
: Are you a troll.? Since that proves me right like wtf. You got xerath with 4% then fiddle with 3% then the rest with less then that. The fact you don't list anything either makes me think you clearly can't read.
Presence bruh. Add the numbers together. You literally provided me my argument already. Swain is also higher than 3% if you're looking at just pickrate. The median is 3.73%. If you are attributing my comment to pickrate, 3% is very decent.
: Ummmm one champion sure and he doesn't do much damage unless you afk sure. Like you pick pyke for his cc,gold and his ult not his damage his damage not counting his ult is actually pretty low.
https://na.op.gg/champion/statistics Just go down the list dude. I'm not seeing an argument from you other than "NO".
: From a support mains point of view: Riot has to do anything they can to make support feel more "enticing" and "fun" but they make new champs rather than fix the MINDSET of the support. The support's job is to help set up plays, secure vision, and keep the team alive. got it? yeah cool. Now here is what actually happens,especially in low elo. *clears throat* -support is treated like shit -attitude is support is just a "lane slave" there to do as they are told -if they secure a kill, they are trolling Adc by "ksing" -if they DONT secure a kill, they are "greifing" and a "useless fucking support" -support is seen as little more than a meat shield for an entitled adc (I have OFTEN been told "ur support, ur job is to get me (adc) kills even if it means you die") -a support is treated like a healbot. and I have been told many times by my adcs when I suggest taking towers "ur 1 and X you dont have a right to speak" meaning a support is worthless without kills, but if they DO take kills, suddenly they are trolling. as a support main, support isnt "fun" or "Enticing". You dont feel like you are "part of the team" because its a pissing competition over who has more kills. The attitude is that supports are nothing but shit on the bottom of your shoe to be scraped off after the adc gets enough kills that they "dont need a useless support" anymore. so I guess if the value of the support is judged by how many kills you have. just means I will have to take kills away from my adc. so yeah, have fun seeing alot more damag supports and alot less focus on saving the adc. Cuz if ur a support and you save your adc BUT die in the process, you can expect to be spam-pinged missing followed by "report my support, inting" immediately after. Hell I have lost count how many times I have been accused of "inting" and "Feeding" (omg report report) with a wonderful, amazing, stupendous **0/0/0** KDA Yep, going 0/0/0 is still Inting/feeding in season 9 (going into season 10)
This kind of attitude against supports tend to come from people who don't know how to play the game. It mostly disappears in gold elo.
: Constant presence at like 3% sure. Keep lying to yourself.
: Please allow at least 1 dodge per promos
Better suggestion: get rid of promos. Allow people to stay at 0 LP until they lose X games and then bump their LP and rank down to what it should be had the soft floor not been there. EVEN BETTER SUGGESTION: Get rid of this stupid system and let us just see our MMR since that's what is used for matchmaking anyway. It's dumb for me to have to beat people in ranks above me into order to get into a rank BELOW them.
: Zyra is the strongest counter. IDK why.
You root her whenever she goes for a soul and repeat.
: I.. already don't like facing Senna
I'm pretty sure her Q and soul scaling will get nerfed, but she's really easy to deal with. Just pick something with burst or hard CC and she pops. You don't even have to specifically target her since she doesn't peel well for her carry.
: To all Senna players
I've played like 10 games in SR since she came out. I got support every time still.
: The goal of a support is to support your team and you can do that in different ways. Leona has great lockdown power and engage but she isn't really good at protecting her team actually senna is better at it then her. Does that mean she shouldn't be a support? I like who you ignore so many facts to make your bs statements seem true. Like the last two supports were a enchanter and a marksman not a assassin. Subclasses also mean shit about the lane they play. Like you sound like you haven't played support for years. Damage supports haven't been good in a long time and where they are it's for like 4 patches before they get nerfed. The majority of the time support is just enchanters. Like no damage support has been good this year. Also if you think pyke is a damage support please go and actually play him since he isn't.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8pRrWpWE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-11T21:54:38.405+0000) > >Damage supports haven't been good in a long time What. Damage supports have a constant presence and are still extremely good.
koshkyra (NA)
: Riot is sacrificing the identity of the support role to make it more “fun” and appealing.
Support is just the name of the role. They are expected to enable their allies, whether that be getting kills, peeling, disengaging, etc. Anyone can support. I personally think Pyke's ult was a mistake since that turns him into a champ with a broken ability in general, not just in bot lane. Senna on the other hand seems quite fair. She'll probably get a Q nerf since that thing takes up a good distance with barely an indicator, but other than that I don't find it difficult to beat her in lane. I'm actually happy we're getting an AD support item at last. It opens up a lot of other champs for supporting.
: Elise
> [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5teEQrzd,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-11-02T18:17:28.110+0000) > > Elise This. I fuckin died when I saw her press R one time.
: Mage class lacking mechanical diversity/versatility
: “Mage Supports”
Uhhh I don't think your suggestion would work out tbh. I'd rather buff the other supports.
: Riot can you remove the expiration date on Prestige Points?
The intent is to allow players to feel a sense of pride and accomplishment.
: Yasuo, Jinx, Akali, and popular champs get like 3 skins a year each
Better get u$ed to $eeing tho$e champ$ getting $kin$ every year
DeusVult (NA)
: Seeing the quality of all the most recent skins makes me sad for the champs that I play
It's true. Riot has 0 reason to make skins for unpopular champs. Gotta make that $$$
rujitra (NA)
: How is that fair to the enemy team though? Someone isn't doing well? If they agree to be vote kicked, they can have a whole new build on that champion and try again. Regardless, would this be from the normal queue (hell no, nobody wants to join a game in progress), or from a special voluntary queue (which would be pretty empty, see the other option)?
Why would the same person get a whole new build on their champ? They're the ones getting kicked. If someone did get ganged up on and vote kicked, it's literally no different from those people trolling in the game in the first place. The system would be designed to give players who are being trolled a chance, but I do not expect implements to remove trolling completely or be free from abuse.
zPOOPz (NA)
: so would they lose same amount of LP upon a loss? If they lose no LP, you'll attract trolls or people who just don't care. If they do lose LP (even if reduced), who the hell would want to walk into a match that they'll likely lose?
If not losing LP attracts trolls and ppl who don't care, then that doesn't change the status of the game.
: Riot Update these Legendary Skins! Today was a joke.
Ice Toboggan Corki. Was so disappointed.
: > [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sLEtjd8p,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-27T07:44:12.236+0000) > > Probably would have to give a bonus of some sort. If you make the bonus so much that you'd attract enough players to make this suggestion possible, you're not placing yourself in any better of a situation. You'd just be getting a lot of players that are more interested in the bonus than how well they play or if their team wins.
I meant the bonus is attained upon a win. Not upon accepting the match.
: > [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sLEtjd8p,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-27T07:09:07.187+0000) > > It's easy enough to match elos as well as tell someone what champ they'll be playing before they accept the match. It's also possible to have the system sell items for full gold return. How likely do you think it is that someone would be willing to play the specific champion, specific role, same summoners, is of proper elo, and willing to join in a match part-way where their team is likely in an extremely unfavorable situation (and possibly against champions that they would have wanted to ban)?
rujitra (NA)
: A vote kick? So it becomes a 4v5? And you diminish the amount of evidence that would result in them being punished? Plus, what's to stop a team from voting to kick someone who isn't trolling/griefing just because they're mad at them for some innocent reason? Replacing them? You have to have players who a) know that champion b) want to play that champion, and c) are around the same MMR as the player who was kicked. This isn't Overwatch. You don't get to change your team once it's formed. And what if you find someone, but the build is completely different than what they'd do - you're forcing players into losing lanes/games that they aren't going to have fun in. Maybe the reason a system doesn't exist isn't because it hasn't been considered/thought about. Maybe it's because **there's no good solution**.
It's easy enough to match elos as well as tell someone what champ they'll be playing before they accept the match. It's also possible to have the system sell items for full gold return.
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