: No, it's enforcing that in pick up games you have to work with your team. Feel free to do whatever wierd strategy you want if you can convince your teamates or you're in a 5 man preamade. You just can't decide to 'do your won thing' and piss off 4 teamates and claim 'muh unenforced meta'.
You can go Yasuo adc without "convincing your teammates". So you're saying they should enforce meta roles but not champs? That's still enforcing a meta.
j0ezd (EUNE)
: can you make a goku champion
Ezreal would be perfect for this. His Q is a basic energy shot. W would just be a little bigger one. E is a blink that Dragon Ball characters use for fighting. R is the kamehameha.
: You can't blatantly make a champion or skin based off of a another company's material. Copyright issues.
Tell that to the dynasty warriors skins....or bowser skin for rammus.
: @Riot: What exactly is the definition of "support" in your new champion select?
Top PIz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=s92xUQVp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-28T12:31:18.406+0000) > > My definition of elo hell is the rank at which you can no longer "carry" when your 4 teammates do shitty. So you might be winning lane, but if the score is 2-18, you're going to lose. > > Many people can solo carry out of bronze 5. For the people that can't, it's "elo hell". So while I was silver 1 last year and climbing, I cannot solo carry games at my current silver 5 rank (rito trolling provisionals OP). This is "elo hell" for me. It's not that I "belong" there, it's just that I can't carry at this elo with 4 feeding teammates. Rarely lose lane, and if I get lucky to have a decent team, we will win. So unless someone honestly believes that I lose an entire ranking of skill in 1 week during the reset, then I'm not sure why they think elo hell doesn't exist. I really liked where your reasoning was headed initially, but the moment you claimed that you don't belong where you are, all my respect flew out the window. The way solo q works is that if you are able to consistently carry your team, you climb. If you aren't able to carry your team, you stay where you are. If you aren't able to carry your team and you consistently play worse than your lanemate, you fall. Taking this into account, 100% of the time as long as you play enough games, you DO belong where you are. Being a "better player" than the majority of people at your elo does not mean you don't belong there. Rather, it means that, even though you are better than most players at your elo, you aren't good enough to carry a team of such players, so you don't deserve to be a higher rank. Rank is defined by how good you are at winning games; NOT by how well you play in general.
> [{quoted}](name=Top PIz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=s92xUQVp,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T14:34:19.784+0000) > > I really liked where your reasoning was headed initially, but the moment you claimed that you don't belong where you are, all my respect flew out the window. The way solo q works is that if you are able to consistently carry your team, you climb. If you aren't able to carry your team, you stay where you are. If you aren't able to carry your team and you consistently play worse than your lanemate, you fall. Taking this into account, 100% of the time as long as you play enough games, you DO belong where you are. So you think I dropped an entire rank of skill in 1 day? Also, quick question, how many games is "enough"? Given the amount of confounding variables...I would imagine the sample size to make such a statement would have to be incredibly high. > Rather, it means that, even though you are better than most players at your elo, you aren't good enough to carry a team of such players, so you don't deserve to be a higher rank. This is like...exactly what I said. This is what leads to the "elo hell" argument. I shouldn't have to "carry" 4 dumb dumbs. There are games that are flat out unwinnable if you're not a couple tiers higher than where you are currently placed. What sucks is if you get unlucky and get a string of these in a row.
: Trying to tell off a troll without Riot noticing and banning you
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: theyre adding damage against minions on sunfire. a bit of waveclear, thats it. and since xin is usually jungling, that particular change will hardly affect him. honestly i dont think it will make sunfire more useful for anyone but the champions who are already buying it, because they have poor waveclear themselves. a couple of ap tanks and bruiser like malphite.
Somehow I think he is trying to refer to the Xin changes rather than the sunfire changes.
: People always argue about whether elo hell is real
My definition of elo hell is the rank at which you can no longer "carry" when your 4 teammates do shitty. So you might be winning lane, but if the score is 2-18, you're going to lose. Many people can solo carry out of bronze 5. For the people that can't, it's "elo hell". So while I was silver 1 last year and climbing, I cannot solo carry games at my current silver 5 rank (rito trolling provisionals OP). This is "elo hell" for me. It's not that I "belong" there, it's just that I can't carry at this elo with 4 feeding teammates. Rarely lose lane, and if I get lucky to have a decent team, we will win. So unless someone honestly believes that I lose an entire ranking of skill in 1 week during the reset, then I'm not sure why they think elo hell doesn't exist.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-01-28T03:20:18.229+0000) > > I think they should just admit that they do enforce a meta if it's not agreed upon by your teammates lol. That would clear up the confusion on it at least. But they're not choosing explicitly to enforce a meta, they're choosing to enforce doing what your whole team wants to do. If your team is ok with you breaking the meta then you can do that, if your team isn't ok with you breaking the meta then you can't. And guess what - it makes sense to not allow people to say "fuck you" to their team and do whatever they like.
This argument makes no sense. Your whole team might not want you to play Yasuo ADC, but guess what? That person is going to say "fuck you" to their team and do whatever they like. So you're saying they enforce a meta for lanes but not champs? That's still enforcing a meta. Period.
: In there large discussion on the pros and cons of the new dynamic Queue, they debated how it would effect the people who want to follow "unorthodox" playing styles. They realized that the people who went duo top mid or jg instead of duo-bot were a very small % of players less than 0.1% or something and were comfortable making it so that that option was no longer available to them in exchange for a much more convent matchmaking system. They did state though that the lanes were not enforced so that people in premades could still experiment with off meta choices as they please.
Oh, I was unaware that they said they enforce a meta unless you were 5 man pre-made. Thanks for clarifying that.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:24:51.918+0000) > > I think you're completely missing the point. I'm saying that rito continually says they don't enforce a meta. But, they obviously do. "If you want to triple top then get 5 friends." The fact that I would have to do that is enforcing a meta, which apparently they don't do. But you always had to find friends to do that before. If you were doing it with willing strangers in the past then you can still do that because they'll be willing to ignore the roles allocated to them in new champ select. If you were doing it with unwilling strangers then you can still do that as long as you are willing to ignore your allocated role and take your team hostage to a troll. It makes no difference. If you were trolling you can still troll, if you were breaking the meta with willing people, you can still do that.
No, you didn't always have to find friends to do it. You could be 5th pick and say, "I'm going duo mid" and could not be punished for it because rito didn't "enforce a meta". Now if you don't go your allocated role, you can be punished. That's a difference.
: You're not going to go trio mid/duo jungle unless your team is coordinated around doing that. If you have a team that's willing to coordinate that, you have a team that's willing to ignore the roles that new champ select have given them. If you were going to successfully pull off meta breaking in terms of roles before, you can do it now. And if you were gonna take your team hostage and go duo jungle because someone else got that role and you still wanted it, you can still do that now. It makes no impact at all on meta-breakers whether they actually think it's a good idea (and therefore organise it with a willing team) or they're trolling (and therefore ignore stuff like pick order/allocated role). All new champ select does in giving you a role is solve arguments about who gets to go where.
The way I'm understanding it, if you don't go your assigned role, you can get punished for it. Therefore, you can't really do things like duo jg unless your entire team agrees. Which is enforcing a meta.
: Jungle is considered a lane. As long as you don't smite steal the camps your primary jungler is doing, you are fine.
That's not really what is meant by duo jg bud.
: See the "invite" button? you invite 4 other people who want a team comp like that.
Why should you have to invite 4 other players? It's supposedly not against the rules to do non-meta things.
: There is something wrong unless you get permission from your teammates, you will be reported, you will be banned for repeat attempts, and rightly so. (especially duo mid. Duo jg or duo top, although not optimal, aren't so horrible that you can't use the shock value to help you make it work. Duo mid is actively trying to lose.)
>unless you get permission from your teammates Why do you need permission? I don't need to give my teammates permission to do non-meta things like Cass top? So why should you need permission to do non-meta things like duo mid?
: Sure man, so is AP kha zix then.
Bârd (NA)
: Botlane, not the carry.
If that's true, then where's the option to do things like duo mid or duo jg in the new champion select?
: That's called trolling. If you're doing that play as a five man team. But if I get three mid I'm going to legit afk, especially if you say "fuck you we're premade we do what we want", which is how most of that shit goes. I'm not going to deal with your bullshit like that. There's a difference between nonmeta, and outright pissing people off by ruining their game. If you do it as a five man team the new champ select doesn't matter because the roles don't mean anything and you can just go five mid if you want. But the reason champ select like that is for people who are trying to win, especially in ranked, rather than playing a gimped game like that.
: non-csing member of a duo lane. Preferably is not useless without having farm. Nothing more nothing less.
Ok, but then you are saying that there isn't a duo jg option with the new champ select?
: thats MMR for S4-S3 between those ....closer to S3 so that still doesn't make any sense.
Well, I'm assuming that you were using a 3rd party site to get your MMR. Which isn't always accurate. If you look at the demotion rules between tiers, it says that you would have to have silver 5 MMR to get demoted out of gold 5. Meaning your MMR at the time you were demoted to silver 1 was silver 5. Then, if you further got demoted to silver 2 or 3, your MMR was most definitely bronze MMR. When they do the ranked reset, they go by your MMR at that time, not at the time the last season ended. Then they typically place you lower than your MMR. This is why you receive like 25 lp for winning but only lose like 12.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-01-28T03:12:25.374+0000) > > I've seen multiple places that they were cracking down on people not going their assigned role. This was to stop people from just gueueing up as support for short que times and then going elsewhere. did you bother reading the rest of what i said? of course you didn't If you queued as support, get support and all of a sudden decide to not be the support not caring one bit what your team says guess what will happen? exactly what you just said.
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T03:29:28.086+0000) > > > If you queued as support, get support and all of a sudden decide to not be the support not caring one bit what your team says guess what will happen? exactly what you just said. Which is by definition enforcing a meta lol.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T03:25:20.173+0000) > > But...what are you disagreeing with lol? I didn't make any comment about whether breaking the meta was good or bad lol. You said that Riot should just enforce the meta and then admit it honestly. I don't think thats the way riot should go.
Nope. I said that they should admit they enforce a meta, not that they should enforce it.
: Taken from http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/site/guide/roles.html > SUPPORT > These champions provide lots of utility and set up teams to succeed with practical skills, such as heals, shields, stuns, and more. They often set the stage to lay traps and avoid ambushes, and depend on teammates to deal the majority of the damage.
Ok. So there is nothing wrong with selecting support in the new queue and then going mid with Viktor and taking all the CS? Serious question by the way. Also, what that is describing is more so the class of champions support, no the role. It's like saying mage. What I'm asking is what is the role of support, which would be like asking what is the role of mid lane.
: my MMR was 1270 by the end of Season 5 and yes i dropped from Silver 1 to silver 2 or 3 during pre season.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-01-28T03:20:18.229+0000) > > I think they should just admit that they do enforce a meta if it's not agreed upon by your teammates lol. That would clear up the confusion on it at least. Gonna respectfully disagree. I think breaking the meta is one of the best parts of the games. but thank you for being civil without being like "OMG NOOB BUILD WTF KAT"
But...what are you disagreeing with lol? I didn't make any comment about whether breaking the meta was good or bad lol.
: Placed Bronze 3 - GGWP Riot/uninstall
Did you fall back to silver 2 during the preseason? First off, I thought they removed the ability to fall out of gold...but anyway. If you fell from gold 1 to silver 2, your MMR was HORRIBLE. I mean, really bad. In order to drop out of gold, your MMR would have to be silver 5 at the time. And then to keep falling to silver 2, it was probably bronze MMR. Then, the season reset would have considered your bronze MMR, not your silver 2 ranking. That's how League works. If not, then you just got hit by the rito hammer. They dropped everyone at least 1 tier pretty much.
: I think they should have 2 queues: Nonmeta and Meta In the meta queue you can be punished for not playing meta while the nonmeta you can play whatever lane you want.
I think they should just admit that they do enforce a meta if it's not agreed upon by your teammates lol. That would clear up the confusion on it at least.
: Nothing. It's solely based off your MMR last season. Keep in mind some challenger accounts got placed in plat 3, and the highest is plat 1. Of course you're going to drop lower otherwise platinum and gold elos would be heavily inflated.
It's not solely based off your MMR last season. Otherwise people that did well last season (without tanking in preseason..which is where some people get confused as to why they dropped) and in provisionals would keep their rank. The season reset drops everybody down.
: *You will always be placed below your previous rank, but will maintain a high MMR*. You should be getting about 25 LP per win, and are intended to climb fast. Everyone goes through this, dont use caps and yell :/
And then you get unlucky and get 5-10 games in a row with trollos or afks and your MMR is no longer really high. Sad face.
Rioter Comments
: no one is forcing you to go to the lane you were assigned to, if you want to go double jungle, 5 mid and whatnot you better be damn sure to let your team know about it. When you are playing against random people it's way easier to have something established than to just leave it up in the air. If you want to try something stupid and crazy like everyone top or something like that then get a team where is much easier since everyone knows what they are in for instead of forcing others to do something they have no desire to do. You can play the conventional 1-1-1-2 but if you deviate and not let your team know about your intentions then you are nothing more than a troll. Instead of spewing nonsense actually think about why the system is the way it is
>no one is forcing you to go to the lane you were assigned to I've seen multiple places that they were cracking down on people not going their assigned role. This was to stop people from just gueueing up as support for short que times and then going elsewhere.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:49:23.990+0000) > > My point is that the new queue enforces a meta. So you asking me how I would expect the new queue to work with non-meta lanes is confusing to me. I'm simply saying that the new queue enforces a meta when rito says that they don't. That is all. Just gonna preface this with me adding something to that post. Sorry in advance but I had to add to it. Riot made it that way because its the only way that makes sense. You can call it enforcing a meta all you want but as long as blind pick and you inviting friends/other players to a game exist then you are not being forced into this at all times. If you want to do something else than queue somewhere else. Players enforce this meta more than anything. If riot even gave you the option to double jungle you would rarely find a game. Do you expect 4 other people to all say yes I want double jungle before queuing up because giving everyone the choice of having that is the only way riot could allow something like this to exist. I don't even wanna know how they would get 3 people in one lane to work because that seems even rarer than the double jungle. The point is that it's a waste of time to try to add non meta searches to this queue when it affects such a small fraction of the playerbase I dont blame riot for common sense things.
Ok, rito might not being the one to report you for it, but if they punish you for it, that's enforcing a meta. >Just gonna preface this with me adding something to that post. Sorry in advance but I had to add to it. Riot made it that way because its the only way that makes sense. You can call it enforcing a meta all you want but as long as blind pick and you inviting friends/other players to a game exist then you are not being forced into this at all times. If you want to do something else than queue somewhere else. So what you're saying is that they don't enforce a meta....unless it's ranked? This queue is the only option for ranked play, so saying that if you want to do those things, you have to go to a different queue is the same as saying they enforce the meta in ranked play only. Which is still enforcing a meta. >I dont blame riot for common sense things. To be clear, I don't blame them either lol. I don't even disagree with it. I'm just saying that they enforce a meta when they claim not to. That is all.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:38:53.638+0000) > > Meh, I still consider it trolling lol. > > But the point is that if you que up for mid and don't get it, you will be punished if your team doesn't agree to you going duo mid. How is that not enforcing a meta lol? Because dynamic was made so you could always get your preferred roles. If someone goes mid with you you are not getting your preferred role anymore.
No, you don't always get your preferred role lol.
: No, I'm saying that it's ok to go whatever you want, off-meta role, champ, anything, you just need to have 1 people collecting each source of income, because otherwise you are just giving up on free gold and giving a big advantage to the enemy team. That means that you need at least 1 people at: top, mid, bot and jung, and then a 5th guy that can do whatever he pleases. Put an ADC top, a Tank mid, and APC bot, an Assassin Jungle, and you 5th guy can be River Shen, the new Champ Select let's you do that. It enforces one thing and one thing only: you need at least one people collecting every income. That's all. So yeah, you can't go 3 on the same lane, because that's stupid and that means you are giving up gold. But you can have your support anywhere, not only bot.
But saying that you CAN'T go 3 on the same lane is enforcing a meta, even it it's stupid not to.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:43:21.452+0000) > > Oh, I completely agree with you there. My point is that 98% of the time I've seen duo mid, it wasn't agreed upon lol...thus making people mad and causing them to tilt/lose game. And going duo jg without the other jg's approval means that any camp you take is "stealing your teammate jungler's buffs" (as well as experience) to them. I think this is the difference between trolling and going nonmeta. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ygGnWuHc-heres-the-difference-between-trolling-and-nonmeta
I understand the points that you are making about it. I just respectfully disagree lol. If it's not mutal, the other person is most likely going to get upset over it.
: hold on here. Nowhere does it say support has to go bot.
Very true. I will ask you then, what is your definition of support?
: How would you expect this queue to work for someone trying to double jungle when the overwhelming majority of the playerbase would do it normally? You would need to ask 3 other players if they want double jungle on their team before they queue then that would work but good luck with that. You would have a monstrous Queue time and it would most likely force you to queue normally anyway just because you wouldnt find a game. Enforcing a meta isnt the same thing as making something the most optimal thing possible. Riot already knows what players expect to happen so why would they design the queue any other way? As other people have said just play with friends. It would most likely be faster anyway. > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:29:47.517+0000) > > Point being that if you have to ask your teammates to do it, and get punished if they don't agree, that is enforcing a meta. Do you see what I'm saying? Riot isnt the one reporting you for breaking the meta. That's your teammates. As shown many times in the past if you the single player wishes to do something off meta that the other 4 members disagree with then yes that is a reportable offense. You have just forced your teams jungler to deal with it and your adc to now 2v1. or you leave a solo lane open.
My point is that the new queue enforces a meta. So you asking me how I would expect the new queue to work with non-meta lanes is confusing to me. I'm simply saying that the new queue enforces a meta when rito says that they don't. That is all.
: And you can be "support" and go into the jungle and play a Duo Jung. Or go mid and play a Duo Mid, you're just not supposed to collect the gold, because it's better one people with X gold than 2 people with X/2 gold.
That's support only. But what if you get the mid role and want to duo jg? Or what if you want to go duo mid AND collect the gold? Your point isn't relevant to the other points being made.
: That was because they didn't know what to do in early seasons. For a long time, this is how the game is played, and it is how riot says it should be played, at least in ranked. if you want to duo jg, do it in blind or bots.
I've only seen them say they don't enforce a meta. Would you be able to provide me where they've said that they enforce a meta in ranked play? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I've never seen it and I would need to in order to agree with your point.
: Nowhere is it written that the support has to go bot. Nowhere is it written that "bot" has to be an ADC. The new champ select simply acknowledge that there is 4 sources of income on the map (3 lanes + 1 jungle) and serves to decide who will take which income, and who will be the poor guy without gold. You can still go Leona+Katarina bot, you can go Sona Jungle, you can go whatever you want. It only enforces what gold you're supposed to collect.
So what you're saying is that it's ok to go non-meta champs, but non-meta roles? In new champ select, if you que up for jg/fill (fill meaning you're going duo jg if you don't get jg) and you get top lane, you will be punished for not going top unless your team agrees. That is 100% enforcing a meta.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:38:07.137+0000) > > Actually duo jg is considered non-meta. People that don't do it, including myself, think of it as trolling. But it is what it is: non-meta. Nothing more. I disagree here. Trolling is when you play something with the intention of making people mad, making your own team lose. Playing duo JG is just nonmeta, unless you're purposely stealing your teammate jungler's buffs and spamming laugh at him. That would be trolling. But if you choose duo jg because you know you're a better jungler than you are in the other 4 roles and you want to give your best, that's just going nonmeta. As long as you're trying your best and not intentionally making your team lose it's not troling.
Oh, I completely agree with you there. My point is that 98% of the time I've seen duo mid, it wasn't agreed upon lol...thus making people mad and causing them to tilt/lose game. And going duo jg without the other jg's approval means that any camp you take is "stealing your teammate jungler's buffs" (as well as experience) to them.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:16:49.885+0000) > > And to be clear, I think doing things like duo jg in ranked is completely trolling. No it's not. I've won plenty games with duo mid in old Q. I'd duo mid all the time because I was a 1 lane pony.
Meh, I still consider it trolling lol. But the point is that if you que up for mid and don't get it, you will be punished if your team doesn't agree to you going duo mid. How is that not enforcing a meta lol?
: No going Vayne mid is non meta going duo jungle is straight trolling.
Actually duo jg is considered non-meta. People that don't do it, including myself, think of it as trolling. But it is what it is: non-meta. Nothing more.
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:29:47.517+0000) > > Point being that if you have to ask your teammates to do it, and get punished if they don't agree, that is enforcing a meta. Do you see what I'm saying? > > No, before you could just do it. If you were 5th pick and selected duo jg, there was supposedly no punishment for it...because punishment would mean enforcing a meta, which they don't do. Now, they are supposedly punishing people who don't go there selected role unless both parties agree to switch. Meaning they are punishing you for doing something like duo jg. Meaning enforcing a meta. I agree with you. i am a significant nonmeta player and I hate the meta since season 5. So boring.
Lol, to be clear, I don't like when people do silly things like duo jg. I'm just saying that rito is in fact enforcing a meta when they claim not to. I'm not sure why they're blatantly lying about it is all.
Stesso (NA)
: This is absolutely uncalled for, and a huge mess for high elo players...
Rito - "No, it's good because everyone likes it and it shortens high elo que times. You're just using negativity bias."
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:24:51.918+0000) > > I think you're completely missing the point. I'm saying that rito continually says they don't enforce a meta. But, they obviously do. "If you want to triple top then get 5 friends." The fact that I would have to do that is enforcing a meta, which apparently they don't do. They are not you can play blind pick if you want to break the meta. Dynamic queue is for if you want to play a specific role. You would not get banned for playing 3 top in dynamic unless you just took the guys lane wihtout his permission.
{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} I guess you are choosing not to understand. Have a good day.
: Queue up for Jungle and Support, then in game ask the Support/Jungler if they want to duo jungle with you. If they're up for it, go for it, and if not save it for another game, just like you had to before.
Point being that if you have to ask your teammates to do it, and get punished if they don't agree, that is enforcing a meta. Do you see what I'm saying? >just like you had to before. No, before you could just do it. If you were 5th pick and selected duo jg, there was supposedly no punishment for it...because punishment would mean enforcing a meta, which they don't do. Now, they are supposedly punishing people who don't go there selected role unless both parties agree to switch. Meaning they are punishing you for doing something like duo jg. Meaning enforcing a meta. >If they're up for it I'm not up for people picking Garen/Fiora bot lane...but since rito "doesn't enforce a meta", there is nothing I can do about it. Why should there be punishment for duo jg since it's non-meta as well?
: > [{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wtotxXAU,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-28T02:07:17.665+0000) > > They couldn't. That's my point lol. They are enforcing the meta with it, while saying that they don't enforce the meta. The reason is that they can't make a system that supports how you want to break the meta. You can do that in blind with friends who agree to it. How could they make a system that allows duo jungle duo top 3 mid because the system wouldn't work. Meta is the best strategy to win. That means giving random players the best chance to win is the is enforcing a meta but again if you want to triple top then get 5 friends.
I think you're completely missing the point. I'm saying that rito continually says they don't enforce a meta. But, they obviously do. "If you want to triple top then get 5 friends." The fact that I would have to do that is enforcing a meta, which apparently they don't do.
: ADC's in other lanes
Which two ADCs are tanky? The only one I've seen built tanky is Graves. I get that Quinn is played top a lot...but I've never seen a tanky Quinn lol.
: There's a difference between non meta and trolling.
As defined by you. In their "new champion select" thing, they said you would be able to duo jg. There is currently no option for that. If "meta" is 1 top, 1 jg, 1 mid, and 2 bot...then non-meta would be anything other than that. Non-meta doesn't just mean playing an ADC champ mid or building full tank on Fiddles. And to be clear, I think doing things like duo jg in ranked is completely trolling. But, it's non-meta, and if rito says they don't enforce a meta, then it shouldn't be punishable to do. I just want them to admit that they do in fact enforce a meta lol.
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