: I wish what I wanted mattered...
https://youtu.be/2SM_A6Wmx2I just. breathe. relax
: lets end riot sick of them and their inters and trolls they pay to bait us into perma bans
: > [{quoted}](name=PLATINUMSTARLING,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A00Ew7Tm,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-06T05:15:05.837+0000) > > does it I've been IP banned off of a few discords during discord raids and it's super easy for me to just unplug my router, reset my modem and I have a new IP
: It takes like 3 mins to change your ip, doesn't it?
: The problem is that some people have dynamic ip adresses and it's actually not hard to get a new IP in fact some people's routers can do it just by restarting the dang thing. Also you have VPNs which put a kink in that aswell. Just as an fyi I fucking hate smurfs but going off an IP address is not the right solution because it has so many loopholes.
atleast its a better suggestion than most of what everone says to remove smurfs
Jamaree (NA)
: Two words: College Campuses.
im sorry I just tried to think of something honesty
zPOOPz (NA)
: internet cafe college dorm multiple unique players in the same household with the same IP VPN dynamic IP recycled IP (someone else in another house could get your old IP from the same ISP and get screwed) traveling
Rioter Comments
: Yeah I wish it wasnt a free to play game and they just provided you one account. Of course you could still buy another copy of the game with its own account tied to it... idk how they could prevent more accounts. Tie it to a social security number? Lol. I think the easy accessibility of the game is partly why its so huge, so they probably wont ever restrict people from making more accounts. They have a successful method, why fix it if it aint broken, yaknow?
dude hell no I aint paying for this damn game if they made this game cost money there player base would drop thousands
SirEnds (NA)
: What tilts you the most?
: > [{quoted}](name=PLATINUMSTARLING,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vlvxIvAd,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-03T20:20:53.903+0000) > > Kys is one of the most commonly used phrases so yes people need to be told to not say this. You guys are taking someone telling another person to "kill themselves" too literally. this, this is the mindset that worries me
calm down now{{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
: Dammmmmnnn you're a poet and you didn't even know it. Tomorrow I recover from a 14-day ban for "profanity". *sigh.{{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
*cries in corner* my 14 day ban ends on june 10th {{sticker:sg-janna}}
: There are a lot of ways that I'd say are healthier and better overall than flaming or lashing out in chat. Breathing exercises and shouting obscenities at my monitor tend to work best for me, but there's other options; ranting and raving to a friend/family member, squeezing a stress-ball, punching a pillow, fucking around with a fidget spinner. And of course there are things one could do between games to dissolve the frustration, some really stupid-simple things that don't sound like they should work; changing clothes, eating, drinking, etc. There are a blue billion ways to vent stress, and IMO, tapping away at the keyboard cannot possibly be a very effective one, much less a beneficial one.
i think...i think i can agree with that maybe the solution is to better help people cope with stress rather than give them free reign to say whatever they want. thank you, and for the record if there was some report i could give to riot or whoever made you a specialist i would tell them you're doing a good job. you sir have changed my mind. thank you have a nice day
: No, there isn't any context that would justify someone saying "kys." No if,s ands, or buts. Riot is a private institution. They can deem what is appropriate to be said in their game. The 1st amendment protects you from government action against you.
not my point but ok. i dont understand how anybody would refuse to see both sides but whatever.
: It really isn't. And frankly, it's not up for debate whether or not someone means it literally. The fact is, it's meant to be a severe insult or threat. That's how the community interprets it. That's how it's been met with a 2-week suspension for many years. You don't know who the other players are on the other side of the monitor, but when players decide to use this phrase, they're gambling that the phrase means something worse than the meme you think it means. It being used commonly, which I disagree with, is not a defense for it being allowed.
1st off believe me it is used in a wide array of insults 2nd off how do you expect me to believe that the person getting told the insult isnt their fault at all. theirs 2 sides to every coin i mean honestly no one throws out insults without reason (unless said person just wants to watch the world burn) but you have to look at it from the insult givers point of view, they could have been killed for their 15th time, they could have been taunted and griefed by the person who is receiving the insult honestly most of these people just dont want to lose. i mean if you think about it same goes for the person giving the insult as too who is behind the screen you gotta look at both sides. man thats all im saying, and telling them that they have no right to "flame" (as childish as that sounds) the person who is being told the insult. they have every right in my opinion, because they have reason. i mean honestly, in america the 1st amendment was made for people too voice their opinions whether they be insults or compliments thats the whole idea behind "freedom of speech". all im saying is sure ban them, ban away, but at least look to where they are coming from.
: > Kys is one of the most commonly used phrases so yes people need to be told to not say this. In that respect you might consider it a rhetorical question, then. > How can you assume that every toxic person knows what they are doing. I'm not assuming that every toxic player knows what they're doing/saying - hell, I'm even on record as having openly argued that the majority of toxic players _aren't_ cognizant of their own behavior. Even still, it shouldn't have to be said that telling someone to kill themselves isn't okay, and it sure as hell ain't normal behavior. > You guys are taking someone telling another person to "kill themselves" too literally. I hope you know that most people dont even mean it. That they don't mean it doesn't mean that the other person won't do it. As far as anyone's concerned, if someone's at-risk, they could certainly make an attempt on their own life if someone - even a stranger - tells them to kill themselves - regardless of whether or not that stranger actually wanted them to do it. I'd hazard to say that you're taking the subject of suicide too flippantly. If someone doesn't _mean_ for someone else to kill themselves, _**they wouldn't tell them to kill themselves, now would they?**_ > They are just venting their frustrations so they don't throw their multi-thousand dollar PC out their freaking window. And out of all of the words in any language, they choose to straight-up tell someone to kill themselves over a videogame? Expensive gaming equipment be damned, if that's how they "vent their frustrations", they need some serious help. > ...haven't any of you played your OWN DAMN GAME and run into toxic people. 1) I'm not a Riot employee. 2) Yes, I play League of Legends. 3) And yes, I've run into plenty of toxic people. So I fail to see your point. Am I supposed to sympathize with people who'd rather lash out and ruin the game for other people? Further, am I supposed to shrug off people telling others to _kill themselves_ over a _**videogame**_? 'Cause, I'll tell you now, I'm not going to. I understand anger intimately, but there's a line where understanding has no benefit. Toxic players all step over that line, and there's no reason to let them be when they do. Especially when they go as far as encouraging suicide - meaning it or not.
so then that begs the question what in your own opinion, would be the proper way to deal with anger/toxicity issues in a game (specifically this one) that has a very large amount of toxic people.
: I've edited your post to remove the name, as the [Universal Rules](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/ITFIpNUE) prohibit naming and shaming. If you have any questions about this moderation action, don't hesitate to reach out to the Boards Moderation Team via: * The [**NA Boards Discord**](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification) * The [**Discuss the Boards**](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation) sub-board. If you did not report them in the post-game, write a [Support ticket](https://support.riotgames.com) or message them on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/RiotSupport) regarding the player.
but you dont ban smurfers so what the hell else am i supposed to do
: > **I think Riot should** > > Plaster a list of badwords you can't say to others playing this game. Ignoring hate speech, there's never really going to be a definitive list of bad words for people to avoid. Even things that one could easily assume to be punishable can be acceptable within certain specific contexts; I.E, you can't go around calling people idiots, but you can say "I'm playing like an idiot right now, sorry guys". And even with hate speech, it's altogether easier and more cost-effective to give broad, general statements about what behavior isn't allowed than it is to try and specifically list off everything you can and can't say. Especially since, having a definitive list of behaviors you _can't_ do will almost certainly encourage some people to just come up with new ways to be an asshole. The [ToU](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#code-conduct) is pretty clear about what behaviors aren't allowed in League. If people can't be bothered to read and understand that, then I doubt they'd take the time to so much as blink in the direction of a comprehensive list of unwelcome behavior. >Maybe if they saw that they can't say kys you'd see less people wondering why they got banned and so on They seriously need to be told that telling someone to kill themselves over a videogame is bad? > or they could just, idk, outright ban the terrible language in the first place. Much like the idea of creating a comprehensive list of behaviors/words to avoid using, systematically preventing those words from ever being said is completely infeasible, simply because of how many different iterations and mispellings would have to be accounted for, for _every_ word. For example, let's look at the word "bitch". Ignoring having the letters in different cases, you have; bitch, 8itch, b1tch, bi7ch, bitc#, 81tch, 817ch, 817t#, b1tc#, b17ch, b17c#, bi7c#, 8i7c#, 6itch, 61tch, 617ch, 617c#... And it goes on. And this is just a couple variations accounting for a scant few replacements for b, i, t, and h; there's of course ! that could be used inplace of i, I3 instead of b, etc. Now imagine doing that for _every single word that you want to blacklist._ It is altogether more feasible and cost-effective to simply punish people for breaking the rules than to try and pre-emptively prevent the rules from being broken in the first place.
Kys is one of the most commonly used phrases so yes people need to be told to not say this. How can you assume that every toxic person knows what they are doing. You guys are taking someone telling another person to "kill themselves" too literally. I hope you know that most people dont even mean it. They are just venting their frustrations so they don't throw their multi-thousand dollar PC out their freaking window. Jesus you guys are dull haven't any of you played your OWN DAMN GAME and run into toxic people.
: I report players for "gg ez" spam....
The more you report players for stuff like that the lower priority you're reports become riot has even said that
Sarutobi (NA)
: And how exactly would they be able to do that? Let alone what if GASP people lie when they let them know what they plan on doing to the account. I get what you are trying to say, but there isnt the technology available for what you are asking. Let alone like i said people can lie about their intentions.
i guess theres nothing to do about it now
: Just to make this clear, KYS and any other threats are met with an escalated ban, skipping chat restrictions and going to a 2-week ban.
exactly so thats why i stated that there is no need of consistent toxicity just one word or phrase can make it to were youre banned 10-20 minutes later so in fact your ''specialist'' is wrong
: Thank you so much for actually understanding what I was trying to say and not just assuming I'm fighting for the right to be an asshole. I wish good luck to you as well.
you good sir are very much welcome
Julevi (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=PLATINUMSTARLING,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EExIcG7n,comment-id=00030000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-03T08:19:27.719+0000) > > so youre admitting that singular words or phrases can get you banned thank you for proving me right. Yeah, but that is not a secret - ZT-words and phrases are well-known for leading to a 14-day-ban. > all words and phrases should be treated on the same level of toxicity, specific words or phrases should not have a higher priority than others. this is why riots system is wrong You are allowed to have that opinion. I am quite on the opposite side and agree with Riot here. Insulting/Target someone because of their race/gender/sexuality - threatening them with murder or encouraging them to selfharm crosses the line massively as those are sensitive topics and should be treated as such [personally I would make an exception (not in-game related but generally speaking] for black-humor or jokes). > p.s. i hope you also take into consideration the fact that "kys" is a fairly common phrase to be told to someone youre mad at in video games such as this one. most people saying "kys" to other people dont actually mean it, it is only a way that they can vent their frustrations, on a certain player. Although I see were you are comming from I would like to ask you: "Why do they word it this way?". There are billions possibilities to show your madness without including this acronym but taking exactly this, taking kys is a knowingly decision. Even when they do not exactly agree with the thought behind it they still choose it for it's massive effect, they still choose to tell others to kill themselves over a videogame. A short example of my life: a long time ago I met some dudes and got close to them - we shared the same interests and were overall great friends. Shortly after our meetings I got introduced to some buddies of them (luckily termination of contact was the case soon) and things were okayish at the start and got worse when we started playing together. Let me tell you: they were real crybabies in LoL, raging at the littlest things and throwing insults around. But their most favourite insult was and will ever be: jew - in all variations. They never met a jew in their life (as far as we know). They could not point out one thing they disliked about jews. They didn't even know what it means being jewish and not had a single clue about Judaism. But do you know were they took this insult? From World War II and for them, due to this historic past, it was the perfect symbolization of people who were in their eyes subhumans. I broke up the contact a few days after and from this day till today stumbled across this insult more and more. Now I could ask you again: "Why did they word it this way?". I think because it bears a clear message to their dialogue partner.
just because of youre past experiences doesnt make jokes such as these ok. but this is the digital world and everyone knows exactly what they mean when they throw insults left and right. the phrase ''kys'' or ''kill yourself'' is one of the most common uses in to gaming to get your enemy, lets say really pissed off. we say stuff like this because it helps us from throwing our thousand dollar pcs out the window, literally. if you take away the peoples freedom of telling the enemy to go ''kill themselves'' then you have the community falling apart. trash talking in video games has been around since the very first video game. when you lose a match your pride takes a hit your confidence takes a major hit. the more we lose the more tense we get, the more tense we get the more angry we get, so that begs the question is it really such a wrong thing to express your feelings in an online game when youre mad or lose. also you should take into account that the people "trash talking'' the enemy team are most likely 99.99% of the time the people that are losing, so how would someone who is winning feel compelled to ''kill themselves'' when they are told that expression. most likely they are probably are sitting at their computer with a grin laughing, because they are making the enemy team mad.
: You assume I'm entertaining myself at the expense of others. What if I'm responding to someone doing just that and I say something slightly profane. Now I'm the toxic one and the initial troll is in a position to play without consequence on top of having the power to report me. Furthermore, I play ranked mostly. My time spent on this mode does have more value to me than if I were playing norms. I don't want to have a guy on my team that just got home from work and is looking to have a good time. I want a guy who values his time as much as I do and is trying his best to win the game. Thank you for your suggestion though, I am considering quitting.
best to keep youre sanity than to lose it. i know times can be rough but the only way to get change in communitys like this is to unite everyone under a single banner a.k.a. a certain topic. good luck man i wish you the best im sorry that you and basically most of the community. including me have to deal with such people.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=PLATINUMSTARLING,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=r7TKKP8B,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-03T06:11:07.236+0000) > > the guys name was literally ''smuringonsmurf'' and at the end of the match he typed ''what a boring game...'' And your name is PLATINUMSTARLING, which leads me to believe youre a plat smurf because you have "platinum" in your name. The word "smurfing" is a word used in other online games (dota, csgo...) so even if youre a new player you could put "smurifngonsmurf" in your name while not actually smurfing.
so then what would be youre suggestion to the smurfing problem
rujitra (NA)
: Well... yeah, telling someone to commit suicide is many times worse than saying "asshole", as is hate speech.
so youre admitting that singular words or phrases can get you banned thank you for proving me right. by you saying me telling someone to commit suicide is way worse than calling said person an ''asshole'' that proves that no toxic consistency is needed you literally just proved yourself wrong. all words and phrases should be treated on the same level of toxicity, specific words or phrases should not have a higher priority than others. this is why riots system is wrong p.s. i hope you also take into consideration the fact that ''kys'' is a fairly common phrase to be told to someone youre mad at in video games such as this one. most people saying ''kys'' to other people dont actually mean it, it is only a way that they can vent their frustrations, on a certain player.
: > [{quoted}](name=PLATINUMSTARLING,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=r7TKKP8B,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-03T06:32:41.746+0000) > > dude his literal name was ''smurfingonsmurf'' and he destroyed my entire team and at the end of the game he literally said in chat ''boring...'' so what else should i expect goddammit I get that but that still doesn't prove he is smurfing, I can create an account to play on EUN and call it ''smurfing'' yet I wouldn't technically be smurfing as I don't have an account there yet, I would like smurfing to be a bannable offense since it can ruin ranked and it ruins the new player experience but I just can't think of a way of banning smurfing in any way that would improve the new player experience
riot should keep more attention towards the players that have high rank accounts and ask he or she what are they planning on doing with a new account that they would be creating
rujitra (NA)
: Nope. Punishments are based on consistency. One utterance of the word "asshole" will ***NEVER*** merit a punishment.
that honestly isnt true i have gotten suspended before for simply telling another player to ''kill themselves'' just one time during the match and the ban system instantly suspended my account 20 minutes later. i will never understand how specific words or phrases like ''kys'' or and im only using this for reference here ''niger'' will get riots gears going it seems more like you get punished for more destructive words or phrases. more easily than just calling a player bad or useless. so all in all you say words like ''asshole'' wont get you punished if you say it once or twice but i firmly believe that riots system says otherwise.
: ok but im talkin in general
you cant point it out generally but when its as obvious as this riot should be able to do something
KingMack (NA)
: Coming from a person that has 2 smurf accounts, I can agree that Riot needs to have a better method for making new accounts. Perhaps they can have a system where you can have accounts linked to an overall "master" account that starts your new account close to where your old one currently is with similar mmr. So, if you're gold or something, maybe you start in silver. However, I will say this - When doing my placements on a new smurf, the game automatically sets your mmr to silver during your first game (if its your first time doing placements). I almost always win all placement games on my smurf. My highest ranked account is plat 3 at the moment. When doing placements on a smurf, I am typically playing with people in my elo within 5 games. Looking at your account, it seems that you are very low level and cannot play ranked games yet. Normal games are spread very far apart because anyone can que up with anyone else. When I play normal games with friends, people in my game (either on my team or the enemy team) have ranged from low bronze to master tier with myself being platinum 3. My point is that normal games are extremely volatile in terms the rank of people you play with and will always be that way no matter how good you become. You could find yourself a 6 year veteran like myself, within the top 8% of the player-base, and still getting smurfed on both in normals and ranked. It will never go away unless you find yourself unlikely within the top few hundred players and are better than literally everyone else on the server. The amounts of smurf you encounter will drop dramatically when you begin playing ranked at 30. Normal games are not a good baseline. If you blame anyone, don't blame the smurfs. Rather, you should blame riot who does not have a better method of players implementing multiple accounts. Currently, if you check the Riot FAQ, smurfing is something that Riot doesn't encourage, but is also not something they will take action on unless they have actual proof that the player is intentionally using a smurf account to ruin the game for other players rather than just trying to climb the ladder. Here is something Riot posted on the issue updated recently. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001259787-Smurfing In the meantime, I would try to look at the smurfs you encounter in a different light. Rather than becoming upset and condemning them, try to learn from them. You are in a privileged spot being able to play with or against someone that is better. I learned the game 6 years ago playing normal games with my friends that were all gold and platinum. This made the game very hard on me as a new player, but it allowed me to learn the game quickly. Within a few months, I found myself being able to keep up with gold players. Something that 70-80% of the player-base cannot do (based on number of people on the ladder that are currently placed below gold). Also, the game doesn't discriminate against who gets the smurf and who doesn't. It's extremely likely you've had smurfs on your team just as much as the enemy team. Anyway, I get the frustration having been there myself. But playing with and against better players truly is the best way to learn. If you find yourself getting upset in normal games because you got smurfed on, literally something that isn't your fault and that you cannot control, then this game probably isn't for you because once you get to ranked, the game and the community becomes extremely toxic. Judging by your demeanor already, you will be a very toxic player and become hardstuck silver or bronze unless you address your views when it comes to league of legends. If you would like to make the game easier on yourself, I would be willing to play a few games with you to give you some free coaching. I also have a youtube channel with a few videos addressing the game from a platinum player's point of view with very in depth analysis. Let me know if you'd be interested. I only offer this to you because I had a friend that did something similar for me and it allowed me to have a good foundational knowledge of the game early. That saved me a lot of pain and heartache ----- and tilt.
thank you but what specific things would i be looking for to learn from if im getting destroyed by a high tier player also what is your youtube channel
: but how do you know if it's a smurf? there can be several explanations 1. it could be a different/new player on the same IP so trying to detect smurfs via IP doesn't work 2. they may have decided to go play on a different region but don't have an account there so they made a new account to play there 3. their main account may be banned or temporarily banned so they create a new account. so really how could you possibly know for sure someone is smurfing on purpose?
dude his literal name was ''smurfingonsmurf'' and he destroyed my entire team and at the end of the game he literally said in chat ''boring...'' so what else should i expect goddammit
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Skyper340 (EUW)
: Let's talk about the champs that make you ragequit and the unleashes the void in your soul.
Maser yi made me destroy my 1300 dollar PC I threw it out my window which costed more money I hate master yi
Knihovak (NA)
: A story about a chat restriction I had, and how I reformed.
: 'report them and they will get banned'
actually it has been proven that stuff like kys and any other term for someone to commit suicide can almost guarantee being banned/restricted riot suicide stuff really gets on riots nerves for some reason
: the fact that writing on the forums is more fun then actually playing this shit ass game

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