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Teemo changes temporarily on PBE for early feedback
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Teemo's biggest contribution was map control with shrooms, which prioritized him building CDR. He split Nashor's with Luden's and Liandry's to cap out a three item build. Both this rework and Teemo on the live patch have an identity crisis with his mushrooms and his on-hit-oriented basic abilities. This rework emphasizes using mushrooms as a combat spell to amp his passive, but they still take forever to arm unless they are in brush.
So I ask, what is his build supposed to be now and how is this making him less item-dependent? I understand that in teamfights he is supposed to play the role of a skirmisher (similar to Ekko or the intended play pattern for Rek'Sai), but currently I see every aspect of his kit being outperformed by other champions. Where are you supposed to play this Teemo, into what matchups, and why are you so insistent on keeping W the same? Move Quick is the most linear, boring ability in the game. If you put Move Quick on a new champion, the media crapstorm would blot out the sun.
So I ask that you reanalyze Move Quick and E. Consider merging them together or giving Teemo something meaningful on W that interacts with either his bush synergies or his mushrooms (since mushrooms and Q already interact with his passive).
Here is MY suggestion, and one that would give players very meaningful ways to interact with shrooms.
**W
Give Teemo a shroom-exclusive Gnar bounce. Ranking it increases the amount of shrooms that you can vault over by one and the distance you dash. Pre-6, since you have no shrooms, it acts as a basic repositioning tool.**
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Bobloser3555
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> [{quoted}](name=Bobloser3555,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LwjlQoeN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-23T20:12:13.328+0000)
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> There is no such thing as damage creep, look at the new runes, all the offensive runes have more gold value than the defensive runes, definitely not by accident.
That's because it takes more offense to overcome less defense. Get a Frozen Heart and watch as a three item Zed can no longer kill you through your one item. You gotta be ahead for your damage to do much, hence why ADCs need to be babysat.
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> [{quoted}](name=Dorme Ornimus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LwjlQoeN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-23T23:23:58.378+0000)
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> Try the whole past season... Duskblade was a mistake as runes reforged and so on
Duskblade YES, Runes Reforged? Not so much. The runes are one of the better changes to happen to the game.
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> [{quoted}](name=GotPermaTwice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LwjlQoeN,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-11-24T00:55:49.636+0000)
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> They won't bring it down. They don't know how to fix shit.
Well, they always do. People just become Doubting Thomas every preseason.
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hi ìm groot
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> [{quoted}](name=hi ìm groot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r1tsZP2y,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-24T01:08:21.789+0000)
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> U can't excuse things for it being preseason when it's the preseason after an entire season of broken shit. It's like we're still in the preseason for 8.
Hey, the season ended in a good spot. Yes there were some outliers, but there always are!
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Aseraan
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I do, actually. They DID bring damage down; almost every single damage rune got nerfed, along with the ADC items that were egregious. People just seem to pull an "Israelites' complaining to Moses" every preseason.
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Ayzev
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> [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LwjlQoeN,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-11-24T01:18:27.969+0000)
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> And over the course of this history, the game as a whole got damage-creeped.
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> https://image.ibb.co/byujsA/untitled.png
I've been through five preseasons and it happens every time. No need to throw in ad hominem. You're above that, sir.
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Find me Ahri
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I'm down! Her current one doesn't really even fit her playstyle.
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4bdu1
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Lemme look at your match history real quick...
Okay, you're going AP, that's the problem. Not only are you going AP, but you're then building...tank? after getting Runic Echoes? To get used to the kid, I would go full tank with Resolve first. Once you're used to it, THEN try going AP.
As for playstyle, you need to control objectives. You can outsmite almost anyone and should be using that to your advantage. Whenever possible, steal the big raptor away from the enemy Jungler. Keep track of buff timers to try and steal red/blue and invade when you spot them on a ward. Maintain control of scuttles and most of all, GANK! Nunu's ganks are very powerful, especially when you lane gank.
Your "combo" as Nunu is to gank with snowball, hit E twice and walk up to them, and then press R. As the R channel continues, the E will end and they'll be rooted, allowing you to get the full charge off.
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Piles of Sheep
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It already looks like a girl. Remove the eyeliner and then Ezreal looks like Ezreal.
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Apostle of Light
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PvE is key. You don't want to ever feel the urge to flame someone if that's what you're trying to avoid by winding down. Things that depend on you and solely you, like exercise or single player games, are what you want to do.
Read a book!
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Salvor Hardın
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> [{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gNVHRUVF,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-23T19:46:05.156+0000)
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> I think I had more synergy. Now only damage scales to maximum HP.
It should probably only have one scaling. Introducing MR and armor scalings just makes it cluttered. Maybe they should increase the HP scaling on the damage.
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meowwow7
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> [{quoted}](name=meowwow7,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1dhgsHhf,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-23T19:46:28.059+0000)
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> it wasn't multiple mr buffs it was one huge one for 7 mr, and he kept the rake and his ult
You're right about the MR change. Time left the memory a bit dusty. However, the rake was changed drastically and the ult got a few changes as well. They didn't just copy and paste the code, they remade him from the ground up.
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Mordepool
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> [{quoted}](name=Mordepool,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r1tsZP2y,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-23T21:06:53.317+0000)
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> After 9 years of consistent falied attempts at fixing the game. You will have to excuse me if i am a little cynical
What do you mean by "fixing the game?"
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SwiftKitten88
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Season 5 was a dream, leave it out of this!
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Summonah12369
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"scientifically proven theory"
I love you.
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meowwow7
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No, that's wrong. That's an OLD OLD change from when he was reworked the FIRST TIME. I'm talking about the Parkour rework, when every single one of his base stats were rebuilt as though he was a new champion. Nothing from the old build was kept. He received about three separate buffs to his base MR in early 2018 because every champion universally lost level 1 magic resist.
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Apostle of Light
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The best way I've found is exercise. Buy some weights or just do squats, wallsits, lunges, and/or calf raises (love those) in your room. You don't NEED to work up a sweat, just let the burn ease your mind.
It's also important to take breaks when tilted. Don't start another game. Be the better man, call it a day, and go do something else. Trying to end on a win is hardly ever a good idea.
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Frosted Tips
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> [{quoted}](name=Anìmê,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Z9BFl7Gs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-23T19:09:02.220+0000)
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> Find a calm game to relax and play when you get a little tilted.
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> Examples:
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> Animal Crossing
> Pokemon
> Zelda
> Stardew Valley
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> Stuff like that.
Great response. For me, Xenoblade X (grind out quests), Breath of the Wild, Pikmin, or Okamiden are the ones to unwind with.
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Mugi7
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1. You do realize that first turret gold was distributed into the plating right? Which would you rather, the Jungler ganks and then takes the turret five minutes into the game? OR that the Jungler ganks, they knock off two plates, you KEEP your turret, and the enemy team DOESN'T get 1k gold five minutes into the game? Your choice.
2. That's just change for the sake of change.
3. No, that is putting the game on rails. If I want to play a linear story game, I'll go play the Walking Dead (cause your choices don't matter much).
4. Unspecific. 350 dollars of gold to who? Local? Global? The person who knocks down the turret?
5. Arbitrary change without any reason given. Your "fix", insinuating that there is something wrong with the plating system, is poorly explained.
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Mordepool
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> [{quoted}](name=Mordepool,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r1tsZP2y,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-23T18:53:05.251+0000)
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> Riot would implenent it then
Give them some credit and don't complain for the sake of it. Every preseason is a bit crazy, yet this one is tamer than most. We've been asking for these turret changes for three seasons now. Riot listens, but the wheels of change are slow.
Don't be a Sunshine Fan, and don't complain just because everyone else is.
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sugarbushes101
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This is a solid point. Certain champions will most definitely need to be hit in the base stats to balance out the stat shard system. I remember that Talon in particular got quite a few incremental buffs to his base MR when the rune system was overhauled. Thanks for bringing it to the community's attention; they'll probably roll out a major sweep of base stat changes come early January.
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Stacona
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I don't even NEED to read your post. All I need to say is that it is currently preseason, and I don't think that a single preseason in history HASN'T been a bit damage-creeped. Give it time; they'll bring it back down.
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ME IS EAT U
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This is a terrible idea.
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Swegmec
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I don't like the mana option. The runes can already make mana management trivial thanks to biscuits and Manaflow Band, we don't need more of that. It also bans an option for manaless champions. What I would like to see is the one old rune option that is missing from the stat shard system, flat movement speed. It doesn't have to be a ton, but just enough to make up the difference for all of those Movement Speed Quint users out there who lost out under the new system (Ivern, Nunu, many supports, roaming midlaners, immobile Junglers, ect.)
I don't like bridging Armor and MR in a shard, because that is essentially just flat HP. At that point, just add Crysalis back into Resolve.
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Moody P
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That's why I keep saying that a tank meta is the best meta you can have. If your meta is "protect the carries", then all you have to do as an assassin is kill that carry and you win the fight. Play a mage and poke down the team so they engage at half-health, play a similar comp but with a Vayne. The words "Tank Meta" are a synonym for "Balanced Meta."
Mid-Late Season 5 was the best and most-diverse meta we have ever had for this reason. An Assassin meta just means that damage is so overloaded that you can macro your combo and kill any champion in range no matter if it's a Maokai or Anivia.
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BrightWîngs
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It does seem that they're dying just as fast, or faster than before. Now that could be due to a few reasons.
1. Placebo. We were promised strong turrets with megashields of Ultron and so we expect them to be immortal. Anything less than that is weakness and should be hotfixed.
2. Teams are more coordinated in order to collect plate-gold and so you regularly see a 4-man turret dive botlane to get first turret and dragon.
3. We, the summoners of the Rift, heard that turrets are supposedly stronger, and took that as a challenge, a threat to our superiority. We will show Riot that measly turrets shall not best us.
4. A combination of 2 and 3.
5. They actually fall faster? for...some reason? I HAVE been seeing a lot more Demolish users of late...
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Madsin25
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That reminds me of when Reddit and the forums complained constantly that "new Juggernaut Skarner is too weaaaaaaak. Give him 345 base MS, the best base AD in the game, 200% AD on his ult, 120 MS on shrines level 1, and a shield with less cooldown and more %hp than Nautilus W!"
I loved that patch so much.
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I Married Lux
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That's a fantastic way of putting it; I'm going to steal that. I would actually lower the cooldown to 30 seconds, half the stack rate, give quadruple (so double what's live) stacks on kill (/assist?), and call it good. It is now the go-to rune for poke champions or lane bullies (Draaaaaven) while not acting as a strictly-better Electrocute for Junglers.
Is it time to talk about Arcane Comet and how, in lieu of Dark Harvest, it should probably be changed?
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Salvor Hardın
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> [{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gNVHRUVF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-23T17:33:59.803+0000)
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> Yes PLS.
Are you saying that you cannot take it on a tank?
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Eleshakai
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I completely agree. I'd probably be complaining if she was building like a normal mage, at this point. It's a neat counterpick option and it is right of Riot to support it.
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melior sum
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They just gave her damage nerfs all around thanks to the new passive. I think that she's in a fine spot. She is one of the only viable combat mages and even within that class has a unique identity. Keep her where she's at.
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I Married Lux
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Or Volibear can get the rework that he deserves.
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I do like its identity as a poke rune. It finally seems like the rune that all of the Deathfire Touch users can get behind.
I think that the problem is that it has a generous cooldown alongside an equally-generous reward for proccing it. It's currently just a different flavor of Electrocute in its execution on live. They need to reverse the CD of these runes. Electrocute should have the longer cooldown while Dark Harvest has a shorter cooldown and less damage. That way it works even better for the poke champions it's aimed for while not acting as the best-in-class rune for every damage dealer.
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> [{quoted}](name=dracocrash,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IIEokq3u,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T17:29:31.490+0000)
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> Nah, the they removed it because the buffs were too strong. Especially the raptors buff.
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> Enemy jungle smited raptor? Welp, time to sit under tower all game. (or risk giving the enemy a kill+ assist)
That's completely false. They don't remove things for being too strong, they nerf them. Raptors weren't too strong. If you had eyes you could see when they disabled your ward.
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> [{quoted}](name=ˆˇˉˇˆ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IIEokq3u,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-11-07T22:40:03.336+0000)
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> One of their main reasons to remove it was cause it was an "advanced" tactic to newer/low elo players.
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> I was very low elo when they removed it, but FUCKING HELL do I miss them.
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> Riot made the game way too casual-friendly. Too much. Too much.
That was a problem with the UI. You had to look at the buff you got after smiting to learn what it did. Nowadays they could slap a big ole tooltip over the camp (they had it on the PBE so why not live) telling people about the buff.
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Spank the Fox
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> [{quoted}](name=Spank the Fox,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IIEokq3u,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-11-07T12:30:33.629+0000)
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> Great counterpoint, good use of data.
The guy he was replying to didn't use data either. He just said "data shows." If you watched any games with skilled Junglers, you would ALWAYS see the Jungler get Raptors before a gank. Tanks would start Gromp because of the buff, and auto attackers would save Smite to clear Krugs second for the buff. Go back and watch any game from that season.
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Shurik
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Dude, if you're just now learning that certain runes are busted in ARAM, then you were missing out. Presence of Mind is, by far, the single strongest rune in the mode if you are a caster. You become manaless. Play Karthus and take Presence of Mind plus Ultimate Hunter and congrats, your ult is now on a 40 second CD! You can use if to POKE because Presence of Mind will completely refresh the CD next fight. If you want to be truly manaless then go Sorcery/Precision to take Manaflow and Presence.
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Winterkill
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You know, Rek'Sai got her second skin in 2015, and hasn't gotten any skins since. Ivern and Camille have ONE SKIN, and they've been out for a while now.
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Breezy Boyy
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Ah yes, the champion most countered by the simplest skill in the world, juking.
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darkfieranos
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People are complaining about this? Just...rotate and get megafed. What is the issue here?
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Faneseeker
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This cannot be further from the truth. I would want to honor them for trying despite having toxic and/or feeding teammates. Even if I were to LOSE, I would still want to honor that support for staying cool. The FACT, is that it takes a lot more to want to honor an opponent than an ally. I've been honored for yelling "FOOTBALL" in allchat every time I ulted on full AP Malphite in ARAM, which is hardly as deserving of the honor as the team who followed me up. Oftentimes people were receptive towards enemies who played the game as a game, chatting with their opponents in a friendly manner, or enemies who carried their team despite all odds. Those are the people that deserve honor, even moreso than your allies.
People are more likely to honor someone if they win, which makes the decision heavily-swayed by whether or not that person enabled them to win. Honoring an enemy is a lot more neutral, meaning that "Fairweather Fan" honors are less likely.
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Kazo Kurosu
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I have a bigger question. How do you mistake the letter "c" for "g"? "Gashgrab?"
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0zzy 0sbourne
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aaaand reported for spam.
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