: Lmfao. You're just an enabler, and people like you are mainly the reason why riot is allowed to keep descended into garbage.
What?? Yall are on the same side here, I don't know why you're trying to fight... This should've been a full event, we agree. We are instead getting just a few lame missions and matching lame rewards. Mikau is only clarifying Riot agrees this shit isn't considered an "event".
: > [{quoted}](name=Paletongue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Aqhn8scd,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T17:57:10.727+0000) > > Totally, Nubrac is a POS whatever. > > The issue is you're not going to convince others by continuing this conversation, by derailing this thread about smite, and by calling people names. If you think you're talking to a "church of Nubrac" member, then you should already know you're wasting your breath. > > BESIDES even that, the guy you are attacking even called out Nubrac, saying he is harming his ADC in your quoted post! He's not a Nubrac stan, he simply used a well known example. No need to jump so aggressively. it's all the same thing, the only reason smiteless jungle is a debate is because the community tolerated high brow griefing despite it being explained to them. so now folks have to tolerate smiteless jungles, i've gotten 2 of those already and i am not impressed. all of this stems back to nubrac, some folks might not like that, whatever it's not my job to care about what people like when they opt into things that will make the game unplayable in no time at all. i don't care if op was for or against nubrac, i care that the overriding sentiment out of the community was that nubrac was right when he categorically wasn't. there are ramifications for these patterns of thought all of which i have not considered myself but already the most base level presuppositions are coming to bare, so what's next?
Yep, I see your point and get where you're coming from. Off-meta is a very tricky line to walk on, because, while it can be fun and beneficial to try something strange, it always affects your teammates, who have certain expectations in the first place. This game is balanced toward a certain strategy being dominant, and not following that loose strategy can often decrease your chances of winning. And we can all agree that losing is less fun than winning. I used to like off meta picks more than I do now. Team comp is everything, and when one role can't fulfill their purpose, everyone suffers. I often compare game balance to Heroes of The Storm, as their balance is a lot less quick paced, and a fairly wide variety of team comps can work. That has a lot to do with how their matchmaking works, as well as how assassins(or any high damage unit) cannot assassinate as easy as they can in league. Kill time is all around longer in HOTS, meaning there is more time for entire teams to react. Maps are also smaller there. Off meta works better in a game like that, as League is much more rigid with how careful you need to be, and mistakes are much more damaging. And think back to Nexus Blitz too. double jungle as the standard, as well as a smaller map, led to a much wider variety in champion picks per role, and off meta was easier to do too. As long as you could contribute to a teamfight or objective, your strange build could work. Once again, summoners rift was not built so loosely. No Smite and Mid support both harm your team in the long run. (Thanks for your kinder tone, preternatural! Good chat.)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paletongue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Aqhn8scd,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T17:30:09.104+0000) > > You start off your post by attacking, calling him kid. Hard to take you seriously with a bad start like this. > > Regardless, this person's post is more focused on how not taking smite is a large hindrance to Jungle's primary task of contesting the jungle. Do you agree with that, or do you feel the need to just yell cause you're still upset about a silly debate from several weeks ago? some of you don't get it lol, supporting that nubrac strat is inexcusable, it highlights a lack of understanding as to how the game even works. yes nubrac is masters, he is not the first "high elo" player to be a soft inter or griefer or what have you, he won't be the last either, his is simply not for the uninitiated to understand, i hope he enjoys his new viewer base though. in any competent lobby there is no jungler running no smite on purpose, there is no off lane support stealing xp from solo lane champions that need it. as if the mmr going sideways wasn't enough, there's a church of nubrac or simply people galvanised by him that are now running stupid shit that does not work at any level when all things are even.
Totally, Nubrac is a POS whatever. The issue is you're not going to convince others by continuing this conversation, by derailing this thread about smite, and by calling people names. If you think you're talking to a "church of Nubrac" member, then you should already know you're wasting your breath. > obviously his ADC getshafted pretty hard. > BESIDES even that, the guy you are attacking even called out Nubrac, saying he is harming his ADC in your quoted post! He's not a Nubrac stan, he simply used a well known example. No need to jump so aggressively.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kazamaru,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Aqhn8scd,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-07-16T15:26:23.861+0000) > > So Support, as a role means you are not taking CS unless you are working with a strategy that involves you taking cs.(E.g. {{champion:37}} {{champion:44}} botlane where Taric takes the minions until Sona gets {{item:3312}} and is responsible to have a warding item.(Generally it also means that you buy more {{item:2055}}, stay bot with the ADC, and try and donate kills to the carries of the team when you have that option.) When Nubrac, who is legitimately in Master, plays his strategy he is not taking CS, and he is genuinely helping whichever lane he chooses to support.(Those obviously his ADC getshafted pretty hard.) > > So Jungle, as a role, means your source of income is from the jungle and ganks. It also means that they are able to apply pressure to neutral objectives like Dragon and Baron. Not playing {{summoner:11}} removes this possibility from all but {{champion:20}} & {{champion:31}}. > > So, I agree with OP. stop it kid, nubrac was not playing support otherwise he would have played in bottom lane and supported the role that is balanced around having a support. you talk about CS but you don't know how experience gains work in the game, how does your champion level up? you don't think nubrac's strat hampers the solo laners getting exp and keeping up in levels with their opposite? or you don't think at all, cause looking underneath to see how the game works wouldn't be sensible.
You start off your post by attacking, calling him kid. Hard to take you seriously with a bad start like this. Regardless, this person's post is more focused on how not taking smite is a large hindrance to Jungle's primary task of contesting the jungle. Do you agree with that, or do you feel the need to just yell cause you're still upset about a silly debate from several weeks ago?
: For entire seasons you discouraged "healbot Soraka" and you come up with Yuumi
It's important to remember that the League Balance team that hated on dedicated healers due to lack of interaction and got rid of old Soraka is not the same Balance Team we have currently. The people have changed and the newer team has different opinions and goals than the team five years ago.
AmazoX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Power Cosmic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N9csqLco,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-10T04:47:49.748+0000) > > I agree but sadly there are no other MOBAs that are any good imo. Heroes of the Storm.
I agree, HotS is our next best option. I feel the balance between heroes to be really nice actually, you have plenty of time to react to enemies(Other than Kaelthas ult lmao). BUT the reason why I often still play League over Heroes is because the games feel pretty boring without items and a little more RNG. Every game feels almost the same
: Things I felt Nexus blitz got right
> [{quoted}](name=ALumpyLion,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=s2a5eEiz,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-09T21:43:48.647+0000) > > * Getting full build fast in the jungle/lane was great for trying new item combinations and champions > > * Double jungle made jungle variability much more diverse, giving slow/previously unviable champs some help These were absolutely the most key points which made Nexus Blitz so successful in my eyes. We haven't had a game mode with such variety in team comps since Dominion, which had its own host of problems.
: Nope, they just missed out last patch. https://twitter.com/RiotAshekandi/status/1143594333657976832
: How do you lose to Morde as Yi? That shouldn't even be possible. If you bought a Wits and had Bloodrazor, you'd end his sorry ass in seconds.
He said that he loses to Morde UNLESS he is Yi, in which case he does fine. Just a bit of misreading
: It's very rare that i leave my games but sometimes it extremely justified.
Isn't the problem having the mentality that if you are losing, it is a waste of time? Winning if definitely a big part and also really fun, but its not everything. I've enjoyed lots of games that I've lost, even ones where we lost really hard. to me, having 5 people doing bad feels helluvuh lot better than 4 people doing bad, with one AFK. That just feels straight up hopeless.
Falrein (EUW)
: Nop I didn't count those (only triggered ones)! I'm aware of those but didn't count them (I hesitated but eventually decided not to!) Nop, these ones are included in the special interactions I mentioned alongside the Altars from TT! While these are interesting to talk about I really wanted to focus solely on champions! But hey, nice catch :p
Love fun information like this! I do have to say that this doesn't feel like a fully accurate chart since we aren't counting group interactions or map interactions. It gives old champions an unfair advantage on newer ones, since Riot doesn't proactively add voicelines to older champions until they get a rework. Either way, Garen is probably still #1, go him!
: Hm... Since no-one else is really giving an honest answer. {{champion:79}} Gragas wears underwear, or atleast whatever the rags may cover. On his model, it does cover up below him, thus counts as underwear. {{champion:40}} Janna may or may not be wearing underwear. It's her "battle armor" but also a lingerie. {{champion:22}} Ashe also wears underwear, though blackened by the model; how close the shadowing is to her private areas can give away that these must be black panties. {{champion:103}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:498}} Though cannot be confirmed by the model, lore wise they're wild beasts who can shapeshift. Xayah and Rakan, especially since they're rebelling against Ionia and other humans; wear nothing under there. Ahri wished to become human, so it would make since for her to wear at least a thong. {{champion:142}} Zoe isn't lying about her "I'ma dance in my super pants, otherwise I'd be naked." However this raises a question of itself. Does she mean naked as in _bare_ naked, or just in underwear? Whatever it may be, all we know is she's wearing shorts. {{champion:134}} This, I can give an easy answer to. YES, she's not wearing underwear. She's wearing "underarmor." Same can be said for LeBlanc. They're both wearing lingerie under their armor, thus only protecting their good parts with the lingerie. I've wasted 30 min answering this question in detail for you. Be grateful.
{{champion:1}} Annie used to have underwear with hearts on it! http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=699688
: Can we talk about Twisted Treeline first?
Lets talk about it at the same time, it's the same issue! Both need to be adjusted so she's got access to water. It'll also make the Waterwalking rune usable on these modes.
: > [{quoted}](name=ShunTheWitch,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EjFrjOEw,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-27T15:42:46.857+0000) > > Sounds like a personal problem, I play a very diverse cast of champions in toplane and while I have personal favorite ways to deal with the above champions mentioned, I have no issue in dealing with them generally. Okay then nerf them so they aren't unfair bullshit that negates the whole lane. Nerf their sustain, poke and escape but you don't want that I'm sure. You just want to shoehorn bullshit toplane while the actual toplaners suffer. Top is ALREADY a shithole that gets all the scraps and the bullcrap that doesn't work anywhere else. "who cares that it's actually IMPOSSIBLE to beat Vik top in some match ups at least it's MIXING IT UP XD" {{champion:86}} {{item:3070}} {{item:3070}} {{champion:122}} {{item:3070}} {{item:3070}}
I agree that this is a balance issue, not a diversity issue. There's something off somewhere in the overarching stats of balance, because most other MOBAs don't have this dramatic discrepancy between ranged and melee. I like to use Heroes of the Storm as an example because its the other MOBA I'm most familiar with. Tanks. bruisers and assassins all have ways to get to long ranged poke characters, and there isn't a single hero that can BURST an entire player off the map for standing in the wrong place, barring maybe Kaelthas. Every class is viable in every lane, and each lane isn't that different from one another. I love League with all my heart, but there are some fundamental balance decisions that are making match ups too close to hard counters, and makes most games feel decided at champion select. The lack of champion diversity is a symptom of the sea of other balance issues.
: They aren't dominating? Ryze was top tier perma pick/ban top before his rework, let's see how long it takes before he does it again. Same with kennen, same with vlad. Swain is gutted. Great rework btw, thanks for that riot. Lissandra thank god isn't played anymore.
To clarify, they aren't (exactly) dominating RIGHT NOW. Vlad especially is very strong currently, but isn't the #1 dominant pick.
: Riot be like
Can you clarify exactly what you mean? I know it's just a meme, but it can be hard to get all the info at once. From what I remember, Clash failed because servers were crashing. Isn't TFT just having crazy long queue times instead?
: > [{quoted}](name=Paletongue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EjFrjOEw,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-06-27T19:25:46.148+0000) > > {{champion:29}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:104}} in jungle > {{champion:42}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:222}} in mid > {{champion:133}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:67}} have been top > {{champion:22}} {{champion:21}} were both played support for a bit there too > > Yeah, its not even close to the diversity that Mages and Fighters can go, but its not zero. > > EDIT: {{champion:236}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:145}} are all played outside of bot ADC as well I mentioned kindred and twitch. Graves isn’t even really an adc anymore, more like an urgot than anything. Same deal with corki. And when the hell was jinx a midlaner? Ezreal was mentioned. And varus hasn’t been mid in over 6 years my dude. Lucien and Vayne got gutted out of top for being in top. Quinn. Idk. I honestly don’t know why she is still in top lane. Mf was for one season as a zyra counter because zyra just was not beatable by anyone else. Ashe support is a troll pick that always technically a thing. But not really.
Not arguing that champions play different! Graves, Quinn and Corki aren't much like traditional marksman anymore, but they still fall in the category, and provide alternative options if you wanted to play an ADC in another lane. Played with a Varus mid myself last week. And see Jinx every once and a while. Just because it isn't the fad that everyone is doing now, doesn't mean it isn't still happening, and isn't viable. Ashe and MF both have more than 15% of all games this patch played as support, and Ashe support actually has a solid winrate. I agree with your breakdowns, but not your main point. Way you talk sounds like you WANT all marksman to be played ADC bot. Live a little, try something new. Any ADC that can has some survivability or waveclear can go mid, spell casters especially, since they get more experience and thus stronger skills sooner.
: I'm not touching this mode with a 50ft pole.
Yeha I'm kind of shocked about the queue times espeically, what makes this mode special from that rest that so many people want to play so badly? I personally couldn't care less about trying it, and Qiyana's release is tragically being overshadowed :/
: Adc mains were mad when mages and bruisers started flooding in because that’s the only place Adc’s Are playable out side of cheesy shit like twitch jungle. Mages? Top, mid, jungle Bruisers? Top, jungle Tanks? Hahaha. No one plays tanks anymore. Tanks for real? Top, jungle, support Hell. Even jungle has an enchanter now. But then you look at adcs outside of niche things like twitch jungle and that one week Ezreal mid was a thing. You got kindred jungle I guess?
{{champion:29}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:104}} in jungle {{champion:42}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:222}} in mid {{champion:133}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:67}} have been top {{champion:22}} {{champion:21}} were both played support for a bit there too Yeah, its not even close to the diversity that Mages and Fighters can go, but its not zero. EDIT: {{champion:236}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:145}} are all played outside of bot ADC as well
: I think it becomes Unhealthy if they become the dominate one. There always has been mages top to some degree. With , Cho, Singed, Some malphites, Galio, hiem, teemo, ekko etc.
{{champion:50}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:127}} are closer to toplane mages. While they aren't exactly dominating, Kennen and Vladamir have been consistently problematic in top due to their range advantage.
: > [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EjFrjOEw,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-06-27T16:55:35.828+0000) > > I'm just going to take a stab at this. > > The diversity you speak of is (Anyone can go anywhere.) > Let me preface this by saying I'm down for all champions every so long as the cost is not overwhelming let me explain. > > {{champion:223}} Is insanely overloaded. I welcome him to top lane, but not in his current state. I don't think I need to go into detail why. While I'd like for all champions to go everywhere if the cost is having a {{champion:223}} of any sort. Then no get that champion out of there. > > I was fine with the mix up bot lane. It was refreshing not to go ADC every game, but what was the cost? ADCs were gutted. It was not more diverse {{champion:8}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:39}} and a few others became MANDATORY. So the cost was not worth it. Personally I still play Swain and Syndra bot lane to great success. > > {{champion:37}} {{champion:44}} and top {{champion:555}}. In Solo Q these were not nearly as much of a problem as any other champion listed so far. Sona and Taric I think were EXTREMELY healthy for bottom lane as they did not oppress ADCs, but still had viability. You sacrifice a lot to have Sona and Taric in later fights. This should not have been nerfed so hard. Pyke top should have never been gutted. Nerfing the sustain on W in exchange for some Arm/MR would have balanced this champion to be a viable solo laner and support. Imo. > These are the types of champion I'd like to be a part of the "everyone can go everywhere" diversity. > > However, most people that ask for diversity mean full champion viability for everyone assigned to that lane. For instance, "all marksman can be played with an equal chance of winning pending counter match-ups." Not "Marksmen need to be allowed to be viable I'm all lanes and even as supports." > > So when a random support champion shows up top lane or an ADC shows up mid or jungle. This is generally coming at a cost to the diversity of the role as the champion most likely joined that new role because they are flat out OP like {{champion:223}}. > > Personally I have no issue with TK. I've beaten him almost every time I run into him post laning phase. HE's a strong bully, but not great out of lane. He has weaknesses that's why I believe that he should be love tapped a few patches and would be a great Top/Supp candidate. > > TLDR: Theirs a difference between > Diversity "of all champions everywhere" and > Diversity "all champions for a role are viable." > What the cost is for a champion to enter a new role must not be oppressive, and then can be welcomed. while i do agree with your points, it is important to note that tahm kench was first and foremost a top laner. That's the lane he was initially designed around and played in; however, after nerfs and changes to his kit, he ended up being a support until recently when they buffed his q and e.
That isn't completely true, his champion spotlight said he is "a tanky distrupter suited for either a solo lane or support". He was released as a combo top/support champ. Champs that were forced into support by nerfs are situations closer to Nautilus and Zyra.
: Little reminder that Viktor's W works with stacks and, as such, should have a visual indicator
I don't think it's needed simply because it doesn't change the way you'd interact with the ability. Enemies will want to leave the zone because of the slow, and Viktor can't play around knowing an enemy already has 2 stacks, as he has no other CC or way to add stacks. Effectively, adding a particle does nothing but add more visual clutter.
: So because the balance team sucked in the past when the game was first starting, we shouldn't complain about bad balance now? #What kind of twisted logic is that? It's still bad balanced and should be fixed.
Not what he said! He said he totally understands complaining about OP things. Its just reminiscing that it has been worse in the past, and that basically there's always been balance issues.
Seba7290 (EUNE)
: New bio for Zilean and stories for Qiyana and Malphite
YAY i needed some reading material for work today
: > [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vsdKYAvw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T19:25:25.061+0000) > > I was wondering how support would work. > > How about tanks? Can tanks reasonably build QSS for mord? Build mikaels...
you can't target an ally to end morde ult though, right?
: > [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yYEGNgMU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T11:18:09.550+0000) > > Right, but there was also the TWENTY minute wait time. dunno why that happened. I think it's because most people didn't realize that creating a PERFECT team was not going to happen. If you just queued yourself as what you wanted and then put fill for others, you'd get results fast there were also the crazies who thought that jumping into the queue again would make matches go faster
> [{quoted}](name=3TWarrior,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yYEGNgMU,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T04:54:38.459+0000) > > dunno why that happened. I think it's because most people didn't realize that creating a PERFECT team was not going to happen. If you just queued yourself as what you wanted and then put fill for others, you'd get results fast > > there were also the crazies who thought that jumping into the queue again would make matches go faster Totally, but doesn't that defeat the point of team builder then? If you just click Fill on every team member, you're not building a team anymore, you're simply locking in your champ before you get in a lobby.
: So if ezreal keeps abusing items, why do people keep wanting the items nerfed instead of ezreal
I think about this a lot, and it has to do with the uniqueness of Ezreal's Q, and how it triggers on hit effects from abilities at long range. The only other champions that can do that are Gangplank (who is mostly melee) and Miss Fortune. The question lies in what makes Ezreal an abuser when Miss Fortune is not? Is it that he is a caster adc and relies on his low cooldown Q, while MF uses her auto attacks a bit more? If so, adjusting Ezreal would have to come close to getting rid of his unique playstyle of spellcaster ADC... (or will it?)
: > [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IlRGvrEY,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-21T20:23:38.012+0000) > > Just like > I don't want one tricks on champs other then their champ > I don't want Master Yi junglers > I don't want autofilled supports top lane > I don't want Vayne top laners > I don't want a whole bunch of other nonsense in my games either > > But i also don't want players like that banned, no do i call what they're doing griefing. > > And if i get someone like that i try to win, i don't flame them and give up mentally less then 5 mins into the game none of those players are griefing. stop airing your bullshit if you can't grasp that.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IlRGvrEY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-21T21:00:24.372+0000) > > none of those players are griefing. > stop airing your bullshit if you can't grasp that. I don't think you read his post, he literally says he DOESNT think those people are griefing. It's quoted in your own post >But i also don't want players like that banned, no do i call what they're doing griefing.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paletongue,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LbMqk70A,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-06-21T18:16:23.831+0000) > > K/DA was not chosen by singers or anyone in worlds, it was 100% chosen by the skins team just like they choose any champion to be in a skin line. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K/DA It's in the paragraph right under 'members'. By reading it seems like only Kai'sa chosen that way The others chosen by the singers I guess , at least for Ahri , Miyoon or idk her name actually plays League , and Plays Ahri to be exact
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LbMqk70A,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T18:26:27.976+0000) > > By reading it seems like only Kai'sa chosen that way > The others chosen by the singers I guess , at least for Ahri , Miyoon or idk her name actually plays League , and Plays Ahri to be exact That isn't correct, it says all of it in the wiki I linked. >"According to Miyeon, she started learning more about League and actually played the game as Ahri to better understand her character." Miyeon didn't even know about League until AFTER she was assigned Ahri. >The characters were chosen from League's character list based on whether players would realistically see them as "Pop Stars". According to Patrick Morales, Ahri was the first character to be chosen for K/DA, due to her previous appearances in League-related music as "Pop Star Ahri" back in 2013. Subsequently, with Ahri being a "beautiful, charming leader"-type character, Evelynn was chosen to contrast to that, by "being the wild and provocative diva of the group". As Akali's character was being reworked at the time, Morales included her into the band as he liked the "rebellious spirit" of the character. The skins team hand picked these champions, and the singers had nothing to do with it.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: Not really this is her first Skin that riot decided to make K/DA skins were chosen by the singers in worlds , Riot didn't intend to make the skins for them , it was just what the singers chose
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LbMqk70A,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-06-21T18:01:36.209+0000) > > Not really > this is her first Skin that riot decided to make > K/DA skins were chosen by the singers in worlds , Riot didn't intend to make the skins for them , it was just what the singers chose K/DA was not chosen by singers or anyone in worlds, it was 100% chosen by the skins team just like they choose any champion to be in a skin line. > "The characters were chosen from League's character list based on whether players would realistically see them as Pop Stars... Kai'Sa was included due to a recommendation from skins lead Janelle Jimenez, as she wanted a "strong but silent loner" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K/DA It's in the paragraph right under 'members'.
Jaspers (EUW)
: True but currently there are millions of Xerath, Taliyah, Ornn etc main out there not spending money on the game. Kai'Sa can have 2 skins in a year, instead of 3 and those players can spend money on the game instead of not. Here's another scenario, a high player popular champ who has a lot of skins already (Ezreal, Lux etc) their mains might not buy a new skin as they have a lot already, why buy this new one when they both has Ultimate which are better? So out of (example) 5 million Lux or Ez mains, only 1 million actually buy the new skin because it's just another skin/doesn't add anything. Yet, out of 1 million Taliyah mains, 800k will buy the skin because they are starved from skins.
> [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LbMqk70A,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-06-21T08:48:29.961+0000) > > True but currently there are millions of Xerath, Taliyah, Ornn etc main out there not spending money on the game. Kai'Sa can have 2 skins in a year, instead of 3 and those players can spend money on the game instead of not. > > Here's another scenario, a high player popular champ who has a lot of skins already (Ezreal, Lux etc) their mains might not buy a new skin as they have a lot already, why buy this new one when they both has Ultimate which are better? So out of (example) 5 million Lux or Ez mains, only 1 million actually buy the new skin because it's just another skin/doesn't add anything. Yet, out of 1 million Taliyah mains, 800k will buy the skin because they are starved from skins. I know several strange league players that buy every single skin for their main as like a collectionist/completionist goal. I don't see the point in owning more than 1 skin per champ since you can only use one at a time, but people like variety, shrug
: I miss Teambuilder, it's was the most funny thing in League of Legends...
I remember having a lot of fun brainstorming funny team comps, but I don't think I ever actually got to play any of them. Too many people would leave or kick people out if they didn't like something, queue times were FOREVER if you didn't get all of your friends to join and stay in the lobby. It was such an amazing idea that just didn't seem to work in practice :/
: Out of curiosity, does this mean we'll see the in-game colors associated with AP ratios changed from green to a shade of blue? It's always been weird to me that AP values in itemization do NOT match the common damage type of AP (green in tooltips, purple in game), while AD values in itemization DO match the common damage type of AD (orange in tooltips, orange in game).
Oh I certainly hope they change colors to match for AP scalings. I have some friends that play league extremely casually for the past two years now, and hadn't grown as players because they didn't understand when to use AD or AP.
: What noob mistakes did you make starting out?
I thought I had to have every item component in my inventory before I could upgrade it, and often ended games with tons of extra gold but low cost items. Only two inventory slots left? Guess I can't get Trinity Force cause I have no space for Phage..
Sillae (NA)
: The last time serious progress was made in the "main" lore, I think was the Bilgewater event where Gangplank was temporarily killed off by MF and came back as a man who realized his mistakes (not in a moral sense but in how he underestimated his enemies) and everyone was pissed that they couldnt play GP for a week (including people who were never going to play him in the first place). Major developments might merit gameplay changes in Riot's eyes and Riot might not want to risk another backlash.
Riot gets backlash for every decision they make, and IMO that one was worth it, what fun to have lore and gameplay interact so closely!
: I never thought of it this way before, but it does make some sense. that he decided to ditch me because he lost his account in a video game. his justification for insulting me is that it's just a joke. now i hail from scotland so of course a nice friendly insult is like a good morning greeting...but it starts to hurt when he does it so consistantly all the time. and i had to brush it off all these times but idk who rly gave him the right to think that it's ok to talk to anyone in that way.. his perspective was that i was somehow tilting him even though i was trying my best all game even though i lose my lane. and I was doing well with my roams so idk how i was tilting him. apparantly me mentioning lag was tilting...
First of all, I agree with the top comments in this thread. Secondly, you CANNOT blame others for your own behavior! It's not fair of him to think you are an excuse for him being rude and disrespectful in game, his actions are all of his own fault. You need to not take his excuses, and don't blame yourself. If he actually cared about your well being or being your friend, he should be making positive in his own changes in his own life. You don't deserve to be treated like that.
: I gotta say one more thing: Will there be a time when every banned acc will go unbanned? maybe 2020 i dont know something like a gift.? just saying. By the way, after every money invested in YOUR game, we should be able to take it back somehow... even after 1-2-3 years...
I've never had a single ban or chat restriction, and I've been playing since Season 2. You were warned several times that you will permanently lose your account if you continued raging, and you didn't change your behavior. It's too late to change your actions in the past, those accounts are gone. But it isn't too late to change your behavior now, and you get to keep playing League with this same account as long as you stay kind.
: I think I might be obsessing a bit too much about this, but it'd honestly be such a simple fix
I agree he needs to keep the horns during ult! BUT that glitched image you posted looks far from stunning, way too cluttered. I feel like it deserves new assets with some ghostly horns, either placed a bit lower or further out to the side. OR they could change the crown to be shaped like dragon horns curved into a crown shape?
CD8 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paletongue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jAvngqZa,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-06-10T15:46:18.786+0000) > > Qiyana does her damage with her weapon primarily, making sense she is AD. The elemental parts of her kit are a bit more focused on utility. I agree with the commenter above that she'd be a good candidate for hybrid scalings, possibly creating new gameplay styles. id be scared we'd run into another release kaisa scenario. yikes.
Kaisa has separate issues because she gets bonuses based on her build, though. Think old Malz being able to build AD because his voidlings scale well with them.
CD8 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Phieldworker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jAvngqZa,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-06-10T13:53:42.111+0000) > > I just think of {{champion:15}} with her chalicar. It’s magic but she’s AD. I know there is a little more magic in Qiyana’s actions but I try not to get to bent out of shape with it. except sivir doesnt cause explosions, create wind invisibilities and cause freezing.
Qiyana does her damage with her weapon primarily, making sense she is AD. The elemental parts of her kit are a bit more focused on utility. I agree with the commenter above that she'd be a good candidate for hybrid scalings, possibly creating new gameplay styles.
: For me personally, I expected her to be some kind of spoiled, haughty princess based on her design alone. I totally get what you're saying and you have good points, but I took the "Empress of the Elements" title to be something she calls HERSELF. A title given to herself since she's a bit of an arrogant character with lofty goals. She's good with the elements and she knows it. No one else in her family is really portrayed as ambitious, heck we don't even know if the royal title is "Emperor or Empress", she could be giving herself a title even higher than that of her parents. So in that way, I think her title is fitting.
It fits better now that we know more about her, I agree. But when we got the first reveal, she was The Empress, and I assumed that meant this sassy girl was the ruler of this entire new faction. It's the selection of information we were presented with that caused the confusion, we were lead to believe she is different than she actually is. A Rioter confirmed she gave herself the title, and we see now through her story that she isn't a real empress. Totally, great. I'm here with it, Empress is a cute title for a spoiled girl.
: I stole this from S@20 comments section but it deserves more spotlight
: Zyra's Midlane problem
Hi! I play a lot of Zyra (I prefer her mid) and I 100% can feel with what you've noted. I did want to say that I don't mind her plant's targeting rules. I think they way the plants are set up adds a healthy amount of risk to an otherwise very safe champion. In lane, I do often walk into AA range just to get that extra damage off. In lane its not too bad cause you can do it instantly with a Q/W-E-aa combo when they go to farm a minion. Late game, I don't need to use the auto attack anymore because a lot of fights aren't picked inside minion waves, and I have allies close by to follow up and finish the job. Speaking of which, I absolutely feel that it is hard to finish enemies (barring surprise catching them while I camp in a bush). I just try and remember that they have to recall now, which means thats more experience and minions for me. I don't know how to fix that without breaking her 1 shot combo potential, which she still often has.
Murr Wurr (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QKfs4N4b,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-02T19:14:55.078+0000) > > Reworks aren't supposed to preserve how the old champion played. They're supposed to get rid of the old champion and bring in a new kit. I'm not sure what you mean by "played" I said the same feel and hopefully the same role. Kayle still feels like Kayle just updated and even if she doesn't she's still a top/mid laner. GP retained some of his skills and he's still a top/mid laner, Ryze with all the reworks he recieved is still a top/mid laner. My point is, Graves was COMPLETELY removed from the bot lane and the frustrating thing is if you just increased his range to 500 or 525 and allowed him to shoot through minions with diminishing damage after the first target hit, he'd be a REALLY cool UNIQUE ADC, but they don't want to do it, and that shits me the most.
> [{quoted}](name=Murr Wurr,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QKfs4N4b,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-02T19:22:34.952+0000) > > My point is, Graves was COMPLETELY removed from the bot lane and the frustrating thing is if you just increased his range to 500 or 525 and allowed him to shoot through minions with diminishing damage after the first target hit, he'd be a REALLY cool UNIQUE ADC, but they don't want to do it, and that shits me the most. He already is a cool unique ADC, just go bot with him, he can do it. He may be better in the jungle, but he's only been "completely removed from bot lane" because of player perception and expectations. Quinn is the other example, she can go bot, but is significantly better at top.
Gidrah (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paletongue,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZWPUmp2y,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-05-31T17:41:39.390+0000) > > can you clarify this part for me? I'm not familiar with what the Warwick situation is Back in the day Warwick was my introductory jungler due to his sustain and how tough the jungle was back then. His rework left me a little sad because now suddendly my werewolf had all these random pillars in his back which imo only look good in his Firefang and Grey skins. The rest look forced and unnecessary imo. https://pics.me.me/urf-marauder-big-bad-grey-classic-firefang-feral-tundra-hunter-11712284.png For voli I wouldn't want his Rayo or officer skin to have random swords in his back. It bugs me the same way Soccer player Lucian randomly has guns. (or exists)
> [{quoted}](name=Gidrah,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZWPUmp2y,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-05-31T18:31:35.163+0000) > > Back in the day Warwick was my introductory jungler due to his sustain and how tough the jungle was back then. His rework left me a little sad because now suddendly my werewolf had all these random pillars in his back which imo only look good in his Firefang and Grey skins. > > The rest look forced and unnecessary imo. > https://pics.me.me/urf-marauder-big-bad-grey-classic-firefang-feral-tundra-hunter-11712284.png > > For voli I wouldn't want his Rayo or officer skin to have random swords in his back. It bugs me the same way Soccer player Lucian randomly has guns. (or exists) Yes thank you, I see what you mean and agree! they have to be contextualized properly, and in WW's case specifically, they draw so much attention away from the champion itself.
Gidrah (NA)
: A Volibear Mains Thoughts on his upcoming VGU.
> if you give him swords in the back make it a toggle like aatrox so we dont have a warwick situation where it only looks cool in like 2 skins > can you clarify this part for me? I'm not familiar with what the Warwick situation is
: i understand. But the refresh would be so good that i'll probably q And w in midfight!
Totally! But don't you think that extra desire and split second choice ADDS depth of complexity, and thus a positive change? There's no gutting here at all, W damage down but also cooldown lowered means that her passive movement speed comes back sooner. Can't we all agree damage is too high throughout the game? I see zero downsides to this change, and wholly embrace it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Paletongue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q8hpwkqB,comment-id=0000000000000001000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-21T14:34:52.115+0000) > > Looking up someone else's champions is deflecting from the problem we are discussing currently. I don't play Gangplank, but I'm still hear reading this discussion, where you're trying to personally attack another guy. > > Are you gonna write a new post about someone's main every time a new person replies to your silly deflections? I dont see a problem with looking at someones champs, this can give insight on why they might have a particular view. Also this wasnt a personal attack in the slightest. Im surprised you even think i was "Personally attacking" him without calling him anything other than a "strange cookie" which isnt really an insult, but by me responding to him calling me stupid... Im sorry i dont understand PC culture.
Hi, thanks for the congenial response! I'll try to explain better. This isn't about PC Culture or boards culture, its about the style of debate you are using. An earlier post said "Buddy, you main Gangplank.", which my apologies, I thought was you. Regardless, you followed up on his point where you zoomed in on a specific situation between Gangplank v Yasuo. Unfortunately this post isn't supposed to be about Gangpank at all, and only about how Yasuo can be difficult against melee tops as a whole. While you didn't start the deflection yourself (that was NemeBro), you did continue it, and thus continue the invalidation of his opinion simply because he mains Gangplank. Also, I liked the strange cookie part
: > [{quoted}](name=Laufplanke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q8hpwkqB,comment-id=00000000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T07:51:25.551+0000) > > Are you stupid? I want to farm as melee, I go to farm, Yasuo Qs me without me being able to dodge it. Ok does your champ not have abilities? Does your champ have a ranged ability you can use to either farm or trade dmg back? Does your champ have any sort of tankiness or sustain mechanic? Judging from your match history you only play GP so you have both a sustain ability (W) a ranged poke used for either trading or farming (Q) (E). all that aside if the yasuo is simply sitting on the minions waiting for you to walk up then that is free poke and gold for you as GP since you always are running klepto. Honestly your complaining about a brain dead yasuo just sitting on the minions letting you poke and farm all you want? You are one strange cookie... :D
Looking up someone else's champions is deflecting from the problem we are discussing currently. I don't play Gangplank, but I'm still hear reading this discussion, where you're trying to personally attack another guy. Are you gonna write a new post about someone's main every time a new person replies to your silly deflections?
: Super mega upvote! This change Will do exact opposite of what they want to do. So...: -Less interaction And more E Spam. Even if they are trying to let her be more enjoyable. -No need to have skill to land a full charged Q (Why should i charge it if i can refresh faster E Even with a bad Q?) -Q engage (a thing that i personally like cos it's unexpected) would be useless with no real rewards. -Janna is fine and absolutely doesn't need buffs -Janna's dmg is nothing compared to mage support and eventually falls off. I dont want Janna to be a bot, and so to be gutted cos of this changes, ty.
but they aren't changing her Q, it will have all the same benefits as fulling charging as it will now! You don't HAVE to refresh the E sooner if you don't want or it doesn't fit the situation. Just because you CAN get a few seconds off a spell doesn't mean you should. Both Q and W have a shorter cooldown than E, you can do it in the wrong order and still get free cooldown reduction.
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