: once again you didnt get perma banned for the last game. you got perma banned for a history of rule violations. you dont go from no punishments right to a perma banned (outside extreme cases ) once again you have been asked by nearly every one for you to post your chat logs and you refused. they banned you cuz you refuse to follow the rules and continue to be punished and showed zero signs of being reformed. they banned you based on the other players that have to deal with you not wanting to deal with you for numerous of reasons. riot would love it if they didnt have to waste time/money and resources on a punishment system and they could focus on other things but we have people like you making it necessary
Hey, genius. Riot doesn't highlight what it objects to. And who cares what the boards think? REally? If Riot won't identify something, they have no legitimate cause to issue a ban. Truth is, they don't have the staff to review all these reports, so they use an automated bandaid to make people think they do. It's a scam that the trolls have figured out how to abuse.
: lets see chat logs and see that is the only thing you actually said
Hey, you can't show the other people's chat logs, so what's the point? Whatever is said will be out of context. And btw, who saves chat logs? Really?
Hotarµ (NA)
: Asking for reports is considered player harassment. One report is also worth the same as 9, there's literally no reason to ask for reports. I doubt they'll unban you but you could try filing a support ticket.
That's a lie. One report is not the same as 9. The system doesn't work that way. Everyone knows it.
usul1202 (NA)
: I believe the system tells you your penalty, being chat, gameplay, or cheating. As I recently explained elsewhere, online games don't subscribe to a rigid rulebook because people are shitwits. If the rules saying 'don't call someone a fucking retard' then people would say 'you retarded fuck' and claim they were within the rules. Instead, we have the summoner code, which sums things up like "don't be an jerk to teammates" and "don't harass people", and those can be fairly broad. So, the boards and support tickets exist to explain not only the lines that broke the rules, but how they did so, since there isn't a tight ruleset to point out each violation.
It doesn't tell you what you did. Those are just categories. When you get a chat penalty, it doesn't tell you what you said that it didn't like. It just throws up your entire chat log.
Dr Dog (NA)
: if it was unjust its as simple as sending in a support ticket it to get a manual review, you dont get banned by number of reports as all a report does is trigger a bot review of that match if everyone reports you it makes no difference from one person reporting you
Unfortunately that is not true. Number of reports triggers penalties. One person reporting won't.
: once again you didnt get perma banned for the last game. you got perma banned for a history of rule violations. you dont go from no punishments right to a perma banned (outside extreme cases ) once again you have been asked by nearly every one for you to post your chat logs and you refused. they banned you cuz you refuse to follow the rules and continue to be punished and showed zero signs of being reformed. they banned you based on the other players that have to deal with you not wanting to deal with you for numerous of reasons. riot would love it if they didnt have to waste time/money and resources on a punishment system and they could focus on other things but we have people like you making it necessary
What chat logs? I don't keep a copy of that stuff. And it's not for the board to pick out what it doesn't like. If Riot thinks something specific violates a rule, ITS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO POINT IT OUT. They do not. Because it's an automated system made to make people think there is a behavior system. There is not. This is a placebo.
: Riot has already said that the IFS scans chat and then issues punishments but they can be appealed to player behavior specialists but an appeal does not guarantee a reversal of a punishment. The IFS is a machine learning system so it isn't perfect.
The machine system won't highlight whatever it's keyed to flag. That's because Riot doesn't want to issue a set of rules that IT WILL THEN HAVE TO FOLLOW. They want to be able to cheat to get what they want, so that no matter what happens THEY ARE ALWAYS RIGHT.
usul1202 (NA)
: You are correct, it is a bot. A bot that reads chat logs. If you're unsure of what rule you broke, feel free to post the logs here. Thia board is usually pretty decent at pointing that out. If you're not keen on that, you can put a ticket into player support where an actual person can explain it to you, but that does take longer.
The board? Are you serious. The people issuing the penalty can't even point it out, so they let the board cover their ass? Think about what you just said and how absurd it is. If a rule is broken, cite it. If you can't, then don't issue a penalty.
: flat out lies they dont want to kick players out of the game and punish them for nothing
They just perma banned me. I've spent over $500 on skins. They've just lost this paying customer. Tell me again they don't want to kick people out for nothing. Because when they gave me the ban, they didn't say anything about what I did. They just gave me the ban. Fuck Riot.
Unker139 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paul 024,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GtwZzhPw,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2018-11-29T19:09:56.572+0000) > > What rule violation? Riot NEVER CITES ANY. We are getting banned because other people don't like us and hit the report button. I've gotten chat banned for nothing other than playing teemo. There's nothing in chat there to get banned on. Riot is NOT READING THIS STUFF. It's an automated system. You can play teemo anywhere you want and will not get chat banned for it.
Funny, because it did happen to me. The guys in game even said they were reporting me for it, then after the game...chat ban.
: From the [Terms of Use, Section 5:](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#code-conduct) > **5.1. Can I troll, flame, threaten or harass people while using the Riot Services? (No. If you do, you might get banned.)** > > While using the Riot Services, you must comply with all laws, rules and regulations in the jurisdiction in which you reside. You must also comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Riot Services (the “**Code of Conduct**”). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and we reserve the right to modify it at any time, as well as take appropriate disciplinary measures including account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Riot Services, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed in the policy as inappropriate. In addition to the Code of Conduct, please review the [Summoner’s Code](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/summoners-code) for additional guidance on exemplary gameplay behavior. > > The following are examples of behavior that warrant disciplinary measures: > > v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, **in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games**, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, _harmful_, threatening, _abusive_, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable; Notice the bolded part of Article V: "_**In the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games.**_", as in, Riot is the one who decides what is toxic and what isn't, _not you_. As for the italicized parts, calling someone an asshole is considered harmful language, and can be considered abusive. Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not, _that is the rule, and more specifically, **that's the rule you violated.**_ > Riot is NOT READING THIS STUFF. It's an automated system. A _finely-tuned_ automated system. Granted, it doesn't take much for someone to know that calling someone an asshole is an insult, but still, the system is better than you give it credit for, in your limited understanding of it.
You're making my point for me. If there is no definition of toxic, and Riot can make up whatever it wants whenever it wants, then THERE ARE NO STANDARDS. A standard has to be explained and etched in stone. If someone is at fault simply because they are told they are, rather than based on their behavior...well, that means there are no rules. It's just a joke. And if Riot doesn't change, this game is going to die in a few years. People won't put up with unfairness when they have somewhere else to go, and there are plenty of games out there. Riot is cutting its own throat.
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Dr Dog (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paul 024,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sAakzbcs,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-11-29T19:07:34.991+0000) > > I didn't break any TOS. They never cited a violation. if you got banned for chat violations that breaks tos, inting or trolling also break the tos among quite a few other things, what did you get permaed for
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sAakzbcs,comment-id=00000000000100000001,timestamp=2018-11-29T19:09:27.633+0000) > > if you got banned for chat violations that breaks tos, inting or trolling also break the tos among quite a few other things, what did you get permaed for Riot never said what was violated. They never do. If there is something in a chat box, they should HIGHLIGHT IT. They don't. The automated system just throws up your chat log to trick you into thinking you did something wrong. No person looks at those. They don't have the staff for that. It's a TOTALLY AUTOMATED SYSTEM that the trolls are now spamming. It is broken.
: if they report you and there is nothing that you are found in violating the TOS then you arent punished. false reports dont equal perma bans. seriously if you do nothing wrong you dont get punished. i have played since season 3 preseason, i have 4 accounts and 1000s of games and only have gotten a chat restriction one time over all that. like i said once already you dont get perma banned for 1 game. ( with out extreme cases ) so how many times have you been punished? when was your 14 day ban? where is the chat logs to prove you are innocent?
> if they report you and there is nothing that you are found in violating the TOS then you arent punished. false reports dont equal perma bans. How do you know this? You're just ignorantly assuming. I've been punished for nothing other than picking teemo and my teammates didn't like it.
: They can report you, sure - but if you don't break the rules, that report will do literally nothing. So, if you mute them at the start of the game, don't break the rules (as in, no insults, no flame, no harassment, etc.), and they report you - you don't get punished.
What rule violation? Riot NEVER CITES ANY. We are getting banned because other people don't like us and hit the report button. I've gotten chat banned for nothing other than playing teemo. There's nothing in chat there to get banned on. Riot is NOT READING THIS STUFF. It's an automated system.
Dr Dog (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paul 024,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sAakzbcs,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T18:56:01.064+0000) > > First, no one ever reads that crap and you know it. > > Second, having a clause that says they can take it away from you FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER isn't legit business practice. You have a reasonable assumption that if you BUY SOMETHING you have claim to it. its not for no reason, if you got permaed you broken the tos they have every right to take it away and again you didnt buy anything you **rented** it, you payed for the RIGHT to use said content you dont legally own any of it they they dont owe you anything, feel free to take them to court tho you agreed to this in the tos that you broke its a open and shut case
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sAakzbcs,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-29T19:06:08.334+0000) > > its not for no reason, if you got permaed you broken the tos they have every right to take it away and again you didnt buy anything you **rented** it, you payed for the RIGHT to use said content you dont legally own any of it they they dont owe you anything, feel free to take them to court tho you agreed to this in the tos that you broke its a open and shut case I didn't break any TOS. They never cited a violation.
: seriously stfu you have no clue what you are talking about
Uh oh. You just said STFU. Does that deserve a ban?
: It happened a long time ago, but now they have a rule about "negative language that derails the game" even if doesn't specifically break a rule. If people are reporting you, it shows that you made their experience worse, so Riot would probably uphold the punishment. this is in a general sense without seeing exactly what you did.
"negative language" is so vague it can mean literally anything. At this point, Riot is handing out bans like candy to anyone they don't like, and trusting the other players to be fair. They're not. Trolls issue reports too, you know. Do you trust the trolls to be honest? And 'derailing the game'? Riot doesn't watch the games. At best someone looks at a one sided chat log. Give me a break. This company is shady as hell.
: BANNED... for flaming myself
Riot doesn't give a damn about fairness. They want to be the word police but won't actually outline rules. They want to be able to ban whoever they want for whatever reason. I am getting very sick of the communism in this game. Not to mention the CHEAT math. Items don't give what they're labeled to, in terms of stats, and I don't think it's an accident at this point. I think Riot is cheating us across the board, possibly even giving 'honorably' players phantom buffs and penalized players phantom nerfs. The math literally doesn't add up in game, and their death reports are almost always wrong...yet they don't fix it. Like some sick joke against those of us who can actually run the math through our heads.
: >If you pay hundreds of dollars for skins, then have your account permanently banned, isn't that theft on Riot's part? No. This is a pretty established part of internet business. When you pay for a virtual good, you specifically purchase the right to use that content pending your continued access to the service. If the company closes, the product goes obsolete, or you are banned for violations of the terms of use, you are not entitled to a refund or to access to your content. Further, when you agree to the terms of use, there is a specific section on this where you agree that you understand the above.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sAakzbcs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-29T18:42:22.948+0000) > > No. This is a pretty established part of internet business. When you pay for a virtual good, you specifically purchase the right to use that content pending your continued access to the service. If the company closes, the product goes obsolete, or you are banned for violations of the terms of use, you are not entitled to a refund or to access to your content. > > Further, when you agree to the terms of use, there is a specific section on this where you agree that you understand the above. Funny, I wasn't banned for any terms of service. They never cited any violation. I just got banned.
Dr Dog (NA)
: read the tos you agreed to signing up it states that you arent buying anything with rp and rather renting it from them therefore riot games still has ownership and the right to take it away if you break their tos aka the perma, riot is legally sound in what theyre doing
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sAakzbcs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-29T18:41:05.596+0000) > > read the tos you agreed to signing up it states that you arent buying anything with rp and rather renting it from them therefore riot games still has ownership and the right to take it away if you break their tos aka the perma, riot is legally sound in what theyre doing First, no one ever reads that crap and you know it. Second, having a clause that says they can take it away from you FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER isn't legit business practice. You have a reasonable assumption that if you BUY SOMETHING you have claim to it.
: Both people insulted each other, so both people are responsible for insulting the other. There is nothing compelling you to insult them back other than your own ego, just mute them.
If they insult each other, should riot issue a penalty for an insult that goes both ways? That's insane. Insulting is free speech, and it happens ALL THE DAMN TIME ON LEAGUE. This is not helping. It's making it worse because the trolls now control the game BY USING THE REPORTING SYSTEM AGAINST GOOD PLAYERS WHO DON'T STAND FOR THEIR CRAP.
: > [{quoted}](name=Paul 024,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GtwZzhPw,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2018-11-29T18:44:37.764+0000) > > Wrong. Now you're basically saying 'toxic' is whatever you want it to mean. No your wrong if you were right you dint would be banned. When you make a account you agree to there rules NOT YOURS.{{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Funny, they don't cite any specific rules being broken. Wonder why?
: so for you to get perma banned this isnt your 1st offense , you have a history of being punished. therefore the banning /report system is working as intended
punished for what? because the trolls don't like being criticized? You're missing the whole fucking point. People lie. They lie when they report. If Riot just takes them at their word, good players get banned when there are two or three trolls on a team and they all work together to get the good people banned.
Unker139 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paul 024,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GtwZzhPw,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-11-29T18:41:43.892+0000) > > I'm sorry, if you're a weak person who can't handle some words...THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. There is a cursing filter on Riot. Why then are we punished for words THAT CAN'T BE SEEN? > > Furthermore, there is behavior that classies as 'being an ass hole'. Simply stating that IS NOT TOXIC. You have no idea what toxic is until you main teemo. Try it, then you're learn. I get shit on all the time, then I get banned for just throwing it back in their face. I never start any of this, I just get punished for it. And YOUR ATTITUDE is troll attitude. Anyone who criticizes a troll must be toxic and get banned. > > Riot has made this game a living hell, and is throwing gasoline on the fire with this broken reporting system. What were you hoping to gain by calling someone an asshole?
It's a description of their behavior. It's similar to saying someone is toxic, though it means a bit more. There is no 'gain' involved. And it's called communication. They won't learn if they're not called out on a specific thing in game...like baiting a team mate into a fight then bailing on them so they die. That's being an ass hole.
: why do they need to be called out? you know what they are doing, they know what they are doing mute -> report -> move on
Maybe because I'm not a dick that reports for everything. Maybe they just need to be told they're doing something wrong...and if nobody ever does they might not know. Riot doesn't tell them what they've done wrong, they just give a 'toxic' ban. That doesn't help anyone. And this is a fighting game. If you can't speak that way, what's the fucking point?
: > [{quoted}](name=Paul 024,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GtwZzhPw,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-11-29T18:39:33.621+0000) > > Chat logs don't show what the OTHER guys said. If you only look at one player you don't see it in context. context doesn't matter, you're not supposed to say things that could be construed as toxic within a reasonable doubt
Wrong. Now you're basically saying 'toxic' is whatever you want it to mean.
: Your punishment is about your behavior, not theirs. When they are handed a punishment their punishment will be about their behavior, not yours.
If someone calls you a dick, then you call him a jerk back, should you get banned?
: > And sometimes when a person gets called an ass hole, it's because THEY'RE BEHAVING THAT WAY. That's not being toxic, it's calling them out on THEIR behavior. First of all, yes, calling someone an asshole is being toxic. Second; _did calling them an asshole magically make them stop trolling?_ Third; consider it this way - you getting punished is Riot's way of showing you how _you're_ behaving poorly. Don't blame them for calling you out.
I'm sorry, if you're a weak person who can't handle some words...THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. There is a cursing filter on Riot. Why then are we punished for words THAT CAN'T BE SEEN? Furthermore, there is behavior that classies as 'being an ass hole'. Simply stating that IS NOT TOXIC. You have no idea what toxic is until you main teemo. Try it, then you're learn. I get shit on all the time, then I get banned for just throwing it back in their face. I never start any of this, I just get punished for it. And YOUR ATTITUDE is troll attitude. Anyone who criticizes a troll must be toxic and get banned. Riot has made this game a living hell, and is throwing gasoline on the fire with this broken reporting system.
: Chat logs
Chat logs don't show what the OTHER guys said. If you only look at one player you don't see it in context.
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: Your attitude makes me think you probably deserved it.
And you're probably one of the trolls that do it.
: Cant even curse an int-er, FUCK YOU RIOT !!
Exactly. Their report system is broken and ACTUALLY REWARDS THE TROLLS.
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: i feel like HP scaling champions like Voli and Braum could pull it off (provided the opponent isn't ranged)
Tried it bot once, and it works great for sustain...except for the cooldown. You blow through those three little orbs very fast if you're the adc, and they take forever to come back.
: Well obviously it needs a few kinks but still I figure it would at least be worth experimenting with. I mean think about it like this why complain if you aren't going to play that que at all? It's there for the people who will.
Most people don't complain for logical reasons. They're trolls. Trolls are stupid and defy logic. You'd still have afks in the other queues. Like why do people play ranked when they don't care about points? To troll. Unfortunately there isn't a 'all trolls go here' option.
: A new que idea?
If you don't have time to play, then don't start the game. Simple as that. Giving a team a comp when there's a disconnect would be a better idea, but even that I don't like.
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: I don't want to lose exp to my jungler when Im top though, that will set me back greatly.
That could be minimized by spending part time top, part time mid.
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: I would love this actually. It would kick a lot of the toxic players who blame everyone else because they suck.
Those same toxic players would poison others though, which is why, I think, they only have beneficial buttons.
: Turret's take damage based on your base AD and then some of your bonus AD or AP, whichever is higher. So mages or other high AP characters can still push turrets.
Thank you, that makes perfect sense...except AP being figured into an auto attack. That's just weird.
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