: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T23:26:54.219+0000) > > I meant Riven aka Hop A Long the broken lol and i ain't taking about her sword Yeah, Riven can be annoying in that if she can time out her broken blade properly her abilities are never on cooldown. Which is annoying. Nasus won't have a very good time against her since she ignores wither by mashing Q W and E a few times. If you can kite her and have mobility to escape her then you'll find her much easier to beat. I hate this champion with an absolute passion, but Gnarbage is probably one of the best champions for countering Riven so long as he keeps his distance. Or you can play Swain top and just sustain through her combo and kill her before she runs away.
> [{quoted}](name=TouchpadExpert,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T23:40:42.288+0000) > > Yeah, Riven can be annoying in that if she can time out her broken blade properly her abilities are never on cooldown. Which is annoying. Nasus won't have a very good time against her since she ignores wither by mashing Q W and E a few times. If you can kite her and have mobility to escape her then you'll find her much easier to beat. I hate this champion with an absolute passion, but Gnarbage is probably one of the best champions for countering Riven so long as he keeps his distance. Or you can play Swain top and just sustain through her combo and kill her before she runs away. yeah the only counter i say there is banning her punk piece of trash
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T20:12:01.775+0000) > > I always play shen as a poking aggro tank. Lol i play most aggressive champs. I think right now my issue is mindset. Like if I'm Darius i should walk into lane and murder, not get kicked around by a girl with no armor who jumps...i dunno that's just me Who the heck is taking Tristana top lane?
> [{quoted}](name=TouchpadExpert,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T23:24:03.412+0000) > > Who the heck is taking Tristana top lane? I meant Riven aka Hop A Long the broken lol and i ain't taking about her sword
: If she slides into you she's in range for an AA W AA pull AA, and if she's relying on her E for coming near you, she's going to miss a lot of farm, giving you an item advantage on her. And the later this match up goes the better it becomes for Darius.
> [{quoted}](name=AngusBoomPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T20:06:42.259+0000) > > If she slides into you she's in range for an AA W AA pull AA, and if she's relying on her E for coming near you, she's going to miss a lot of farm, giving you an item advantage on her. And the later this match up goes the better it becomes for Darius. Try the match up again, it doesn't go down how you think
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-08-22T18:57:53.535+0000) > > Lol Im not that new i know character styles It still helps to refresh yourself with it. If you've decided to pick Nasus as your passive/sustain laner then just be aware of his style. He's a sustain/kill laner. So Kill/poke laners give him trouble early on. Try not to pick him into people like Teemo, Gnar, Jayce or Fizz. Do pick him into people who are Poke/sustain laners such as Shen, Zac, Yorick and Maokai. And my passive top laner is Shen. Shen may be more to your liking because in a pinch he could be built offensively in the form of Lightning Shen. Shen's laning phase consists of farming under tower and then jumping in to make short and bursty duels against the enemy laner only to walk out and go back to farming under turret. He has decent sustain from his Q and his W can soak up any excessive poke damage coming his way. And his ultimate can really turn the tides in a fight. Definitely worth looking into.
> [{quoted}](name=TouchpadExpert,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T19:19:48.651+0000) > > It still helps to refresh yourself with it. If you've decided to pick Nasus as your passive/sustain laner then just be aware of his style. He's a sustain/kill laner. So Kill/poke laners give him trouble early on. Try not to pick him into people like Teemo, Gnar, Jayce or Fizz. Do pick him into people who are Poke/sustain laners such as Shen, Zac, Yorick and Maokai. > > And my passive top laner is Shen. Shen may be more to your liking because in a pinch he could be built offensively in the form of Lightning Shen. Shen's laning phase consists of farming under tower and then jumping in to make short and bursty duels against the enemy laner only to walk out and go back to farming under turret. He has decent sustain from his Q and his W can soak up any excessive poke damage coming his way. And his ultimate can really turn the tides in a fight. Definitely worth looking into. I always play shen as a poking aggro tank. Lol i play most aggressive champs. I think right now my issue is mindset. Like if I'm Darius i should walk into lane and murder, not get kicked around by a girl with no armor who jumps...i dunno that's just me
: I'll also give you a lesson on the 3 styles of laning: Kill, Poke and Sustain. Every champion has 1 style they excel at, 1 style they are mediocre at and one style they are inefficient or incapable of using. And the laning styles function a lot like a game of rock, paper scissors. Sustain beats poke, poke beats kill and kill beats sustain. The kill style champions are straight forward. They win by killing the other guy. They are flashiest of the three styles and they typically have abilities or passives that incentivize killing the other guy. High damage, sustained damage output and ability resets are clear indicators of a kill laner. Champions like Draven, Darius, Katarina and Kha'zix are prime examples of this play style. Poke style champions COULD kill you. But that's not their objective. They do deal damage but they often do it from a safe distance where they can burst someone down and quickly get out before the other guy retaliates. They win by making the other guy back before they do, getting kills is just a bonus. These champions are identified by having a long range, burst style damage output and a mobility or crowd control ability. Champions such as Xerath, Caitlyn, Gnar and Nidalee are best used this way. Sustain style champions are the stalwart immovable champions who just take a beating and carry on about their business. Their objective is to focus on CSing and heal back or mitigate any poke the enemy laner(s) deal. They also have some crowd control or mobility that usually helps them escape trouble should they ever find themselves in it. They win by outlasting the other guy. The other guy will run out of mana or patience before they kill a sustain laner. They are detected by having heals, peels, shields and occasionally mobility. The champions who epitomize the sustain lane play style are Soraka, Warwick, Irelia and Vladimir.
> [{quoted}](name=TouchpadExpert,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-08-22T18:49:29.027+0000) > > I'll also give you a lesson on the 3 styles of laning: Kill, Poke and Sustain. > Every champion has 1 style they excel at, 1 style they are mediocre at and one style they are inefficient or incapable of using. And the laning styles function a lot like a game of rock, paper scissors. Sustain beats poke, poke beats kill and kill beats sustain. > > The kill style champions are straight forward. They win by killing the other guy. They are flashiest of the three styles and they typically have abilities or passives that incentivize killing the other guy. High damage, sustained damage output and ability resets are clear indicators of a kill laner. Champions like Draven, Darius, Katarina and Kha'zix are prime examples of this play style. > > Poke style champions COULD kill you. But that's not their objective. They do deal damage but they often do it from a safe distance where they can burst someone down and quickly get out before the other guy retaliates. They win by making the other guy back before they do, getting kills is just a bonus. These champions are identified by having a long range, burst style damage output and a mobility or crowd control ability. Champions such as Xerath, Caitlyn, Gnar and Nidalee are best used this way. > > Sustain style champions are the stalwart immovable champions who just take a beating and carry on about their business. Their objective is to focus on CSing and heal back or mitigate any poke the enemy laner(s) deal. They also have some crowd control or mobility that usually helps them escape trouble should they ever find themselves in it. They win by outlasting the other guy. The other guy will run out of mana or patience before they kill a sustain laner. They are detected by having heals, peels, shields and occasionally mobility. The champions who epitomize the sustain lane play style are Soraka, Warwick, Irelia and Vladimir. Lol Im not that new i know character styles
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-08-22T17:37:37.488+0000) > > It feels like cowardice because we are letting them take our things with no price. I love champs that give constant punishment, but I'm finding that are not as effective any more. I need a new style. I want to go top not support but all this advice send to say i have to bitch position Top lane has champions who favor opportunism and patience. Utility tanks such as Maokai, Galio, Yorick and Nasus come to mind. Nasus you will out scale everyone so its in your best interest to farm up your Q. Yorick will zone them away. If they want CS they will have to trade their health points for some and while he steals some of their health he gains some back because one of his ghosts heals him. Galio doesn't hit very hard but his W (which should be getting maxed) allows him to last so much longer in lane. The enemy will go oom trying to knock you out of lane and you just heal up all the damage they dish out on you. Then call for a gank when they run low on mana or health. And Maokai is just annoying in that everything he does is CC and his ultimate makes him very hard to kill.
> [{quoted}](name=TouchpadExpert,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T18:06:30.597+0000) > > Top lane has champions who favor opportunism and patience. Utility tanks such as Maokai, Galio, Yorick and Nasus come to mind. Nasus you will out scale everyone so its in your best interest to farm up your Q. Yorick will zone them away. If they want CS they will have to trade their health points for some and while he steals some of their health he gains some back because one of his ghosts heals him. Galio doesn't hit very hard but his W (which should be getting maxed) allows him to last so much longer in lane. The enemy will go oom trying to knock you out of lane and you just heal up all the damage they dish out on you. Then call for a gank when they run low on mana or health. And Maokai is just annoying in that everything he does is CC and his ultimate makes him very hard to kill. Looks like im gonna have to learn Susan...
: What? Have you even played the new Darius? I'm sure you're gonna say his new Q is harder to hit, but you forget Riven HAS to come in your face to hit you, just start the wind up after you pull her in, that's a 100% hit. Even without the pull though, just wait for her to get close. You're tanky which means she can't burst you quickly. You just need 3 or 4 hits to make her bleed and then ult (or go for the 5th hit to make sure it's at its best) and she's dead. If you can't beat Riven with Darius she's either diamond rank or you really don't know how to play Darius.
> [{quoted}](name=AngusBoomPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T18:06:58.618+0000) > > What? Have you even played the new Darius? I'm sure you're gonna say his new Q is harder to hit, but you forget Riven HAS to come in your face to hit you, just start the wind up after you pull her in, that's a 100% hit. Even without the pull though, just wait for her to get close. You're tanky which means she can't burst you quickly. You just need 3 or 4 hits to make her bleed and then ult (or go for the 5th hit to make sure it's at its best) and she's dead. If you can't beat Riven with Darius she's either diamond rank or you really don't know how to play Darius. It's not hard to hit his skills he just tickles now, that and every riven I've played just slides away from or in to the handle of the q and comes in to out trade you. He lost his luster
: I think you're confusing cowardice with patience and opportunism. Like don't engage someone until a specific ability of theirs is on CD. Wait until they use it and fail at it. Like a Blitz grab or Ezreal's blink or Vladimir's pool. That's when you go ham. Or a more frequent timing on know how to trade comes from simply watching the hp of your own minions. When one gets low the enemy will try to last hit it. While they are taking the moment to attack a minion you should attack them. They won't be able to retaliate right away. Otherwise you can try to last hit their minions and place yourself a safe distance away so that they cannot hit you while you try and last hit. And the person above me listed support champions, namely the passive ones. Soraka and Janna are extremely passive being a sustain/poke style champion. They have very low kill potential so they just try to win trades and back off ASAP. I guess you can also throw Nami in with Janna and Soraka even though Nami is more of a poke/sustain champion. Braum is in a whole nother style of supports. Braum fits into the sustain/kill catergory along with Alistar and Taric. They're opportunistic killers because they excel at counter engagements. Braum can soak up the damage from poke style laners, Alistar can thwart any gap closers or instant engagers who try and jump his carries and Taric has a never-fail point and click stun and an ultimate that gives a HUGE boost to his stats making him a highly immobile castle. Playing any of these champions means you do a lot of sitting back and waiting on the other guy to make a mistake (Braum, Taric and Alistar) or covering up the mistakes of your own teammates (Janna, Soraka and Nami). But patience plays a key role in playing these champions well.
> [{quoted}](name=TouchpadExpert,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-22T17:20:42.322+0000) > > I think you're confusing cowardice with patience and opportunism. Like don't engage someone until a specific ability of theirs is on CD. Wait until they use it and fail at it. Like a Blitz grab or Ezreal's blink or Vladimir's pool. That's when you go ham. Or a more frequent timing on know how to trade comes from simply watching the hp of your own minions. When one gets low the enemy will try to last hit it. While they are taking the moment to attack a minion you should attack them. They won't be able to retaliate right away. Otherwise you can try to last hit their minions and place yourself a safe distance away so that they cannot hit you while you try and last hit. > > And the person above me listed support champions, namely the passive ones. Soraka and Janna are extremely passive being a sustain/poke style champion. They have very low kill potential so they just try to win trades and back off ASAP. I guess you can also throw Nami in with Janna and Soraka even though Nami is more of a poke/sustain champion. Braum is in a whole nother style of supports. Braum fits into the sustain/kill catergory along with Alistar and Taric. They're opportunistic killers because they excel at counter engagements. Braum can soak up the damage from poke style laners, Alistar can thwart any gap closers or instant engagers who try and jump his carries and Taric has a never-fail point and click stun and an ultimate that gives a HUGE boost to his stats making him a highly immobile castle. Playing any of these champions means you do a lot of sitting back and waiting on the other guy to make a mistake (Braum, Taric and Alistar) or covering up the mistakes of your own teammates (Janna, Soraka and Nami). But patience plays a key role in playing these champions well. It feels like cowardice because we are letting them take our things with no price. I love champs that give constant punishment, but I'm finding that are not as effective any more. I need a new style. I want to go top not support but all this advice send to say i have to bitch position
: play Soraka, Janna and Bard. You will learn really quick how to not always being going ham. AP supports in general are a good pick as you become acutely aware of how fragile you are with AP support items.
> [{quoted}](name=Jharr,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=lFvyPT29,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-08-22T16:31:17.611+0000) > > play Soraka, Janna and Bard. You will learn really quick how to not always being going ham. AP supports in general are a good pick as you become acutely aware of how fragile you are with AP support items. And if i don't wanna support haha, Leo and taric got me covered there
Rioter Comments
: Being passive in lane is a skill on its own going for kills and fighting should come later you need to set your self up, time can be damaging just as much as attacks it's a game of chess you need to play for check before you can get the mate. #YouLackDiscipline
> [{quoted}](name=MugyvrNinja,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000000000000003,timestamp=2015-08-22T15:08:57.957+0000) > > Being passive in lane is a skill on its own going for kills and fighting should come later you need to set your self up, time can be damaging just as much as attacks it's a game of chess you need to play for check before you can get the mate. > #YouLackDiscipline But i didn't join to sit for 20 minutes twiddling my thumbs, i came to play. It's not that i don't get it it just frustrates me that there is no other way
: >Only real counter play to riven is banning or staying out of her way. So running away? {{champion:122}} "I do not tolerate cowardice" "Never retreat" This guy is TELLING YOU straight forward that he's a counter to riven and she runs from him
> [{quoted}](name=AngusBoomPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-08-22T15:55:45.780+0000) > > So running away? > > {{champion:122}} "I do not tolerate cowardice" "Never retreat" > > This guy is TELLING YOU straight forward that he's a counter to riven and she runs from him Except new darius can't even touch her
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=00000000000000000000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-08-22T15:00:04.067+0000) > > I live fighting games which is why this bothers me so much. Riven always had tempo in her favor, she decides when you fight. You have no control with her unless she makes a very grievous error. She was designed with fighting games in mind so i guess it makes sense, but she just has so much i just get distressed because i never feel like I'm in control even if I'm winning lane Then you need to get rid of that fighter mentality because it WILL be your crux when you want to climb elo. Again, I suggest playing some Kassadin to learn.
> [{quoted}](name=MCBiggah99,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=000000000000000000000001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T15:02:29.529+0000) > > Then you need to get rid of that fighter mentality because it WILL be your crux when you want to climb elo. Again, I suggest playing some Kassadin to learn. Isn't kass ultra weak unless he vulturing kills? I wanna help my team not be poacher...i guess that's all Im Gonna be good at
: It's not a hard concept. If you aren't skilled enough to outplay riven players, then you need some other strategy that doesn't rely on skill as much - strategies like passively outscaling and picking tanks, roaming with teleport, etc. If you were playing a fighting game and you didn't suck balls, you wouldn't use the same strategy against every other character in the game, you would have all their moves and specials in mind and change the way you approach the fight. If you just say 'if I can't walk up to the enemy and just combo them to death for free every round then why am I even playing', then maybe competitive video games aren't for you and you should go play some rpgs or something.
> [{quoted}](name=AIaya,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:52:10.316+0000) > > It's not a hard concept. If you aren't skilled enough to outplay riven players, then you need some other strategy that doesn't rely on skill as much - strategies like passively outscaling and picking tanks, roaming with teleport, etc. > > If you were playing a fighting game and you didn't suck balls, you wouldn't use the same strategy against every other character in the game, you would have all their moves and specials in mind and change the way you approach the fight. If you just say 'if I can't walk up to the enemy and just combo them to death for free every round then why am I even playing', then maybe competitive video games aren't for you and you should go play some rpgs or something. I live fighting games which is why this bothers me so much. Riven always had tempo in her favor, she decides when you fight. You have no control with her unless she makes a very grievous error. She was designed with fighting games in mind so i guess it makes sense, but she just has so much i just get distressed because i never feel like I'm in control even if I'm winning lane
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:46:21.404+0000) > > Adapt and play better, they picked riven you are now forced to be a pussy for 20 minutes. Why am i playing lol Nah, you play safe until you get armor, that's something else than "be a pussy for 20 minutes". If you aren't going to learn how to play safe, feel free to stay in silver ELO for a very long time.
> [{quoted}](name=MCBiggah99,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:48:35.134+0000) > > Nah, you play safe until you get armor, that's something else than "be a pussy for 20 minutes". If you aren't going to learn how to play safe, feel free to stay in silver ELO for a very long time. Guess league isn't for me then i can't just watch someone farm and NOT do something about it. I have to fight i want her dumb grey haired head crushed
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:42:11.756+0000) > > So what you're saying is I'm fucked,i either have to pay a toxic channel so i can be aggressive or pick someone else and afk to Im allowed to play What I'm saying is that you need to adapt and play better instead of getting headstrong and trying to fight her.
> [{quoted}](name=MCBiggah99,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=00000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:44:23.349+0000) > > What I'm saying is that you need to adapt and play better instead of getting headstrong and trying to fight her. Adapt and play better, they picked riven you are now forced to be a pussy for 20 minutes. Why am i playing lol
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:25:03.960+0000) > > I just want her and her player dead as fast as possible Then THIS is your problem when playing against Riven, you value kills too highly and get fucked in the process. l2play safe is my tip here. Try playing Kassadin, a champion who relies on good freezes in front of his turret and surviving a weak laning phase to get to his powerful point should give you a good idea on how to play against Riven. PS: I've never given up a solo kill against a Riven ever since I learned how to play Kassadin, you learn a powerful playstyle using him.
> [{quoted}](name=MCBiggah99,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:33:25.758+0000) > > Then THIS is your problem when playing against Riven, you value kills too highly and get fucked in the process. l2play safe is my tip here. Try playing Kassadin, a champion who relies on good freezes in front of his turret and surviving a weak laning phase to get to his powerful point should give you a good idea on how to play against Riven. > > PS: I've never given up a solo kill against a Riven ever since I learned how to play Kassadin, you learn a powerful playstyle using him. So what you're saying is I'm fucked,i either have to pay a toxic channel so i can be aggressive or pick someone else and afk to Im allowed to play
Teslyn (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:28:46.746+0000) > > I just want to kill her and the person playing her as much and as fast as possible i just want to win the game.. i dont even care about kills
> [{quoted}](name=Teslyn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:36:21.697+0000) > > i just want to win the game.. i dont even care about kills You can't win huddled under your tower, she will find and end you
: You want her player dead? Really? That is a terrible thing to say.
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T14:26:21.693+0000) > > You want her player dead? Really? That is a terrible thing to say. Why i wanna jump around and dash on their corpse
Teslyn (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-08-22T13:27:42.368+0000) > > How is that an answer you're ok with. 9/10 she just leaves. Why is this ok with people to the point where every thing I've read flat out says "Don't bother fighting until way later" maybe I'm off but that's not fun and frankly tired of having to play like this sans banning her i am okay with it because if i keep her even or behind until mid to late game.. then i can walk on her. kills are just bonus good stuff.. my goal is to deny her cs and experience and make her worthless late game.. verse people who feel kills are the way to go. i main Zyra man.. my whole game mentality is survive till mid to late game then cause as much pain as possible.
> [{quoted}](name=Teslyn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T13:43:23.515+0000) > > i am okay with it because if i keep her even or behind until mid to late game.. then i can walk on her. > kills are just bonus good stuff.. my goal is to deny her cs and experience and make her worthless late game.. > verse people who feel kills are the way to go. > > i main Zyra man.. my whole game mentality is survive till mid to late game then cause as much pain as possible. I just want to kill her and the person playing her as much and as fast as possible
: Honestly that's how every champion who has a chance at doing well against Riven wins. Play like a wuss until she can't instant win against you, and then soak up her tears.
> [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T13:48:26.780+0000) > > Honestly that's how every champion who has a chance at doing well against Riven wins. Play like a wuss until she can't instant win against you, and then soak up her tears. I just want her and her player dead as fast as possible
Teslyn (NA)
: OP wants to bully Riven consistently from Level 1 on thru to 18. Champions have power spikes Champions have ideal situations and you need atleast some knowledge of the champions to be able to move up in this game. if the only argument is you cant all in Riven there is a reason she is winning lane. Example... i like voli bear. Riven will come in hit me then bounce out... i may get an AA or 2 .. maybe not.. but i have to give space.. once i get to level 3 i hope the minions are near my tower so when she does that i can throw her into my tower and try and fight there. most time she will escape.. then i will hope she over stays in lane where i can B back and then TP with an item advantage. then i will All-in her. because at that point i hope she is half health and playing riven like an aggressive animal. 9 times out of 10 she either kites back and i dont get her.. or whatever .. because the fight is not in her favor... but every now and then ... a Riven thinks.. 'hey lets dance bear.' and i will.. i will dance all over her dead face. this is because i understand when i should fight her and when i shouldnt. GL on the thread buddy.
> [{quoted}](name=Teslyn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-22T13:16:22.053+0000) > > OP wants to bully Riven consistently from Level 1 on thru to 18. > > Champions have power spikes > Champions have ideal situations and you need atleast some knowledge of the champions to be able to move up in this game. > if the only argument is you cant all in Riven there is a reason she is winning lane. > > Example... > i like voli bear. > Riven will come in hit me then bounce out... i may get an AA or 2 .. maybe not.. but i have to give space.. > once i get to level 3 i hope the minions are near my tower so when she does that i can throw her into my tower and try and fight there. > most time she will escape.. > then i will hope she over stays in lane where i can B back and then TP with an item advantage. > then i will All-in her. > because at that point i hope she is half health and playing riven like an aggressive animal. > > 9 times out of 10 she either kites back and i dont get her.. or whatever .. because the fight is not in her favor... > > but every now and then ... a Riven thinks.. 'hey lets dance bear.' > and i will.. i will dance all over her dead face. > this is because i understand when i should fight her and when i shouldnt. > > GL on the thread buddy. How is that an answer you're ok with. 9/10 she just leaves. Why is this ok with people to the point where every thing I've read flat out says "Don't bother fighting until way later" maybe I'm off but that's not fun and frankly tired of having to play like this sans banning her
: Riven is beautifully balanced champion.
> [{quoted}](name=gardenRuyns,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-08-22T12:58:49.210+0000) > > Riven is beautifully balanced champion. In what fan fiction
: {{champion:80}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:133}} RIP {{champion:92}}
> [{quoted}](name=MCBiggah99,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EdNBmpUk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-08-22T12:52:33.893+0000) > > {{champion:80}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:133}} > > RIP {{champion:92}} Quinn and yorick i get but early game her all in will kill panth and malph
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T18:40:07.651+0000) > > There is no point to 'broaden their rosters' they already narrowed it down to who wins Then why do they lose against me?
> [{quoted}](name=Kholdstare13,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T18:45:03.089+0000) > > Then why do they lose against me? Player skill. Doesn't mean they don't have the best win rates
: One thing we can all agree...
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T18:13:58.945+0000) > > because of ...say it with me kids "The Metagame" The tried and true process of picking what wins because it...say it with me now "Wins" Which, again, was my original point. Those kids pick who wins. Show them who ELSE wins by kicking their asses with them, and maybe we can broaden their rosters a bit.
> [{quoted}](name=Kholdstare13,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T18:20:07.972+0000) > > Which, again, was my original point. Those kids pick who wins. Show them who ELSE wins by kicking their asses with them, and maybe we can broaden their rosters a bit. There is no point to 'broaden their rosters' they already narrowed it down to who wins
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T18:05:05.348+0000) > > Everyone you named on that list Sans Morde,Trundle,Noc and Rammus are amazing lol I know they're amazing, yet nobody plays them. (also yes Morde is. By a lot.) My point is that there's a ton of viable variety, not perfect balance. The problem is nobody is using it.
> [{quoted}](name=Kholdstare13,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T18:12:06.443+0000) > > I know they're amazing, yet nobody plays them. (also yes Morde is. By a lot.) > > My point is that there's a ton of viable variety, not perfect balance. The problem is nobody is using it. because of ...say it with me kids "The Metagame" The tried and true process of picking what wins because it...say it with me now "Wins"
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:54:25.336+0000) > > Cho...uncommon in URF...lol Now if you stomped Nid with like Gnar in URF then you can brag. Then do it with Leona, Ali, Anivia, Annie, Vi, Morde, Amumu, Garen, Gragas, Kayle, Kog'Maw, Lulu, Naut, Nocturne, Olaf, Poppy, Quinn, Rammus, Sej, Shen, Sion, Taric, Trundle, Voli, Warwick, Zac, or whomever else you can think of.
> [{quoted}](name=Kholdstare13,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T18:03:47.733+0000) > > Then do it with Leona, Ali, Anivia, Annie, Vi, Morde, Amumu, Garen, Gragas, Kayle, Kog'Maw, Lulu, Naut, Nocturne, Olaf, Poppy, Quinn, Rammus, Sej, Shen, Sion, Taric, Trundle, Voli, Warwick, Zac, or whomever else you can think of. Everyone you named on that list Sans Morde,Trundle,Noc and Rammus are amazing lol
L4T3NCY (NA)
: "Ultra Rapid Fire" Q&A with the Play team. 4/6, 11AM - 1PM PST
I hope that you guys don't bring this back next year...or if you do put in more bans/ repermaban because you guys have no idea how do get 'balance' down.
Rioter Comments
: your close minded sorry hope to never talk to you agan. fyi i love ad tf and temo. and ad thresh.
> [{quoted}](name=ZombieNinja War,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=kXHV97pL,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:56:18.447+0000) > > your close minded sorry hope to never talk to you agan. fyi i love ad tf and temo. and ad thresh. AD is a legit build...there is no reason to build AD tf and ratmo because they don't scale with it, youre better off building pure AS items on them, but players like you don't look at numbers. You think league is your personal anime.
: That surprises me, as any experienced DOTA player I talk to says there is none. I have never seen anyone say "Omfg, Tidehunter bot? fucking follow the meta noob" like I would in League. I take Tidehunter any lane that happens to be open, and have never once gotten flamed for it.
> [{quoted}](name=ActuallyArrow,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=kXHV97pL,comment-id=000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:56:34.907+0000) > > That surprises me, as any experienced DOTA player I talk to says there is none. > I have never seen anyone say "Omfg, Tidehunter bot? fucking follow the meta noob" like I would in League. I take Tidehunter any lane that happens to be open, and have never once gotten flamed for it. Your MMR must be in the 1-2k bracket then. because is an offlaner. He needs the solo levels to be of best use.
: > [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:43:21.170+0000) > > Countering the "meta" spam is fine and all, it's just some people don't find facing the same champs time and time again to be fun, whether you're good at defeating them or not. Well yeah, but there's not much you can do about that other than playing unpopular champs and showing the people busy spamming the meta how much better other champs can be. Stomp one as a Cho, and they might pick him instead of Nid for their next game. Small steps, but playing variety well encourages others to do the same.
> [{quoted}](name=Kholdstare13,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=OIHas2nA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:51:00.277+0000) > > Well yeah, but there's not much you can do about that other than playing unpopular champs and showing the people busy spamming the meta how much better other champs can be. Stomp one as a Cho, and they might pick him instead of Nid for their next game. Small steps, but playing variety well encourages others to do the same. Cho...uncommon in URF...lol Now if you stomped Nid with like Gnar in URF then you can brag.
: What? What is? That there is no meta in DOTA?
> [{quoted}](name=ActuallyArrow,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=kXHV97pL,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:49:35.854+0000) > > What? What is? That there is no meta in DOTA? Yes...there is meta to everything lol The Dota Meta is just more fluid
: If you hate Meta, try DOTA. And no, this is not one of those DOTA>League replies. I personally play both, and I like them both. In DOTA, there is no Meta at all (well, except maybe the part where mid lane is usually solo, but even that is not enforced). You can pick any hero, and go any lane. You may have some angry Russians yelling at you if you take certain heroes into the jungle, but it still doesn't matter. The Supports don't have to follow their carry, they can support any lane. The carry doesn't have to go bot lane, the fighter doesn't have to go top, the mages mid. In fact, you could have 3 people in one lane (while probably not the best strategy, it is still allowed). I personally really hate this enforced meta bs in League. It's hard to take certain champs anywhere they aren't usually seen (for example: Morgana mid, because Morgana Supp is more popular these days) without getting flamed at.
> [{quoted}](name=ActuallyArrow,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=kXHV97pL,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:46:29.671+0000) > > If you hate Meta, try DOTA. > > And no, this is not one of those DOTA>League replies. I personally play both, and I like them both. > > In DOTA, there is no Meta at all (well, except maybe the part where mid lane is usually solo, but even that is not enforced). You can pick any hero, and go any lane. You may have some angry Russians yelling at you if you take certain heroes into the jungle, but it still doesn't matter. > The Supports don't have to follow their carry, they can support any lane. The carry doesn't have to go bot lane, the fighter doesn't have to go top, the mages mid. In fact, you could have 3 people in one lane (while probably not the best strategy, it is still allowed). > > I personally really hate this enforced meta bs in League. It's hard to take certain champs anywhere they aren't usually seen (for example: Morgana mid, because Morgana Supp is more popular these days) without getting flamed at. This is GROSSLY untrue
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:06:25.996+0000) > > IT'S JUST URF, I DON'T HAVE TO TRY > > IT'S JUST ARAM, WHO CARES LOL > > IT'S JUST NORMALS, YOU'RE DUMB > > IT'S JUST AIDS, I DON'T NEED A DOCTOR > > IT'S JUST MY MOM's CORPSE, I CAN PISS ON IT > > Why are people so stupid in variant game modes. cuz some of us only care about ranked. i play norms to mess around and get good at a diff champ. i play arams to mess around and relax. no need to be serious about aram.
> [{quoted}](name=ZombieNinja War,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:43:31.767+0000) > > cuz some of us only care about ranked. i play norms to mess around and get good at a diff champ. i play arams to mess around and relax. no need to be serious about aram. It's only driving, Why be serious right ? All the other drivers on the road will hand that for me.
: Dumb reply. i can still play and not like it. i play with a team that's open minded. so i take it you like the meta in URF. a game mode that's suppose to be fun and messing around. you prob yell at people for not supporting in Aram. such a shame.
> [{quoted}](name=ZombieNinja War,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=kXHV97pL,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:39:48.314+0000) > > Dumb reply. i can still play and not like it. i play with a team that's open minded. so i take it you like the meta in URF. a game mode that's suppose to be fun and messing around. you prob yell at people for not supporting in Aram. such a shame. No i yell at people FOR supporting in ARAM. Why would you not build them AP and be of the most optimal use?
Trick1F (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:13:43.674+0000) > > If people could play this game mode with half a brain then it would be a-ok If ~~people~~ I could play this game mode with half a brain then it would be a-ok. There. ftfy again.
> [{quoted}](name=ArchAngel415,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:35:57.936+0000) > > If ~~people~~ I could play this game mode with half a brain then it would be a-ok. > > There. ftfy again. Why should I have to get dumb...play without your head lodged up your ass
Trick1F (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:18:34.112+0000) > > You're the guy who locks Zil and says we got this while Sona,Zed and Nid are still open You're right, Zed is a top tier support these days with his lockdown cc and sustain for 2v2 lanes. 0/0/30 mastery zed op.
> [{quoted}](name=ArchAngel415,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:35:03.604+0000) > > You're right, Zed is a top tier support these days with his lockdown cc and sustain for 2v2 lanes. 0/0/30 mastery zed op. Funny guy, you're the issue quick to make smart remarks with out reading
: congrats i will never play urf again cuz i dont play meta champs in it i guess. i hate the meta so much. close minded people.
> [{quoted}](name=ZombieNinja War,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=kXHV97pL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:26:43.978+0000) > > congrats i will never play urf again cuz i dont play meta champs in it i guess. i hate the meta so much. close minded people. Meta is never going away,ever so might as well quit league if you don't like it
: > [{quoted}](name=Pelican Cove,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:18:34.112+0000) > > You're the guy who locks Zil and says we got this while Sona,Zed and Nid are still open Ah okay, you're one of those meta sheep who rages at people simply for picking champs that you don't approve of. Get out of urf and just play ranked then.
> [{quoted}](name=yellowbricks,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:23:04.594+0000) > > Ah okay, you're one of those meta sheep who rages at people simply for picking champs that you don't approve of. > > Get out of urf and just play ranked then. The mode is designed for these heros to be good, just TT is designed for its heroes and so on and so forth. There will ALWAYS be a MEtagame, if you don't like it don't play
: Today I had a match in URF without any tryhards or ragers in it. . . . .
I bet both teams were lined to the brim with OP so no one had a reason to be upset
Trick1F (NA)
: > Why are people so stupid in variant game modes. Why ~~are~~ am ~~people~~ I so stupid in ~~variant game modes~~ life. There. Ftfy.
> [{quoted}](name=ArchAngel415,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:16:07.014+0000) > > Why ~~are~~ am ~~people~~ I so stupid in ~~variant game modes~~ life. > > There. Ftfy. You're the guy who locks Zil and says we got this while Sona,Zed and Nid are still open
: comparing this game to your mom's corpse and aids seems drastic. Maybe the problem is you DO need to chill out a bit?
> [{quoted}](name=MikeBear,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=pLfQdTJK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-04-06T17:10:52.499+0000) > > comparing this game to your mom's corpse and aids seems drastic. Maybe the problem is you DO need to chill out a bit? If people could play this game mode with half a brain then it would be a-ok
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: Faceless void called...
Janus from smite wants his portals back
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: The assassin / carry paradoxon
Assassins aren't banned for being OP, they are banned because most people don't think that their team can survive against them and would rather not face a snowballed/fed one.
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