5301 (NA)
: > Gold V ADC main. My ranked statistics from last season say otherwise. 200 games on Shaco with a 65% winrate. Previously D5. My next most played is like Jarvan 4 or something... with 7 games. I understand why Shaco feels bad which is why I’m proposing changes that make him feel better to play http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Pennywise+main Assuming that’s your main account, your ranked statistics on Shaco and your general statistics are not that impressive. Mediocre rank, far below average Shaco winrate, equally awful stats on champs you don’t play. Why are you shit talking mine? Is it because I understand how healthy Shaco’s mechanics are and you don’t? You know, there are plenty of high elo players who believe the game shouldn’t be balanced around low elo players. While what they say is true, riot also has to cater for the casual scene (you know, bronze all the way up to your rank last season) to make money too. They are a company in the gaming industry after all Read my entire response next time. Actually, for this thread just read my first 2 proposed changes.
I sadly haven't played on this account in a long while (feel free to check match history) So no, I didn't climb into plat where I normally sit.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pennywise Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0w6AX9f,comment-id=00620000,timestamp=2018-03-08T19:48:44.336+0000) > > Hey, I found the Gold V ADC main. > > Play a thousand games of Shaco and then play a thousand games of Khazix or Lee Sin. Which feels the worst? Lmao. hello friendo
> [{quoted}](name=Pennywîse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0w6AX9f,comment-id=006200000001,timestamp=2018-03-09T00:35:59.710+0000) > > hello friendo OH! HENLO CLOWN FRIENDO!
5301 (NA)
: The Shaco sub in a nutshell: “omg these nerfs screw us over” “no dmg early no dmg late” “shit change to q useless ass spell” “e fkin sux omg” ~~”fku rito gaems”~~ The Shaco sub is ready to invade the boards with pitchforks since they feel that the changes aren’t helping. They are convinced that these are stealth nerfs. Opinions like this are also shared in the rest of this thread apparently. I won’t share my opinion on these changes but I have a problem with them: Obviously they **might** be biased but I can agree that Shaco’s Q will feel underwhelming to level up and his damage early won’t improve much even when he’s maxing E. Allow me to propose change: - Add a base damage to his Q and maybe re-add the cooldown refund on first attack after Q to his Q, and reduce E’s bonus AD scaling. The numbers could look like 10/20/30/40/50 damage (edit: the ratios could look like 0.05/0.1/0.15/0.2/0.25 for either bonus AD or AP but I don’t think this is required) and (maybe) 0/0.25/0.5/0.75/1 cooldown refund. As for E: 60/75/90/105/120% bonus AD and 75% AP —> reduce by 10 or 15% bonus AD and 75% AP. What these changes do: (small) buff to Shaco’s early, (small but not that noticeable) nerf to mid, and compensation nerf to late. The intention of my proposed change is to make Shaco feel (much) better early and make Q feel better to level. Since you’re already changing his kit to better suit early game, might as well commit to that since apparently his damage was “nerfed at all stages of the game” and his E does “no damage even with maxed E without items.” - Add some base more base damage to his E and reduce the scaling. This is another buff to early and mild nerf to late. The numbers could be similar to my proposed Q change: add some base damage, use the same bonus AD ratio. Ideally the base damage for me would be 10 or 15 more base damage at all levels. What this will do will make his E do more damage than his autos early game and the start of mid game. His E feels kind of underwhelming when you are level 3-9. - Here’s something that I’m pretty sure only I would want to see and would cause controversy: put a modified Rengar’s swim Q on Shaco’s E (and obviously there would be no empowered version.) Shaco would not have to invest in a tiamat, meaning he could go for something like duskblade instead, which is part of what I want. This would also make his E also less boring, underwhelming and increase outplay potential for both Shaco and his opponents (who don’t really have much outplay potential with this current iteration of Shaco anyways, aside from skillfully buying ninja tabi and hoping he’s strong enough to not one-shot you through your armor.) This will also (hopefully) make his E do more damage than an auto. And here’s the biggest change that the Shaco sub wants: powerful damage and a powerful spell that’s especially effective early game, unlike his current E. Here’s what I would imagine it would be: remove the execute his current E has, make the cooldown a little bit longer than current E, have reduced damage to everything that aren’t champs and epic monsters so that Shaco’s clear speed doesn’t go from very fast to faster than Nidalee and Graves when they were most broken. The active ability would not have a slow and the damage might look like Rengar’s old numbers. Obviously you could and definitely would have to tune them. Obviously you could adjust numbers and would consider this if Shaco is undertuned if you go through with your changes
Hey, I found the Gold V ADC main. Play a thousand games of Shaco and then play a thousand games of Khazix or Lee Sin. Which feels the worst? Lmao.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pennywise Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0w6AX9f,comment-id=002b00000001,timestamp=2018-03-08T17:55:25.588+0000) > > Talon can first blood level 2 with no items and no sums. I'm pretty sure his early game is fine. Yeah everyone can do that when the enemy is retarded or dced
> [{quoted}](name=Sealed Talon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0w6AX9f,comment-id=002b000000010000,timestamp=2018-03-08T19:25:58.189+0000) > > Yeah everyone can do that when the enemy is retarded or dced I mean, I play in Gold, so maybe it is that everyone's just retared, but my point still stands.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shaydrox,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0w6AX9f,comment-id=002b,timestamp=2018-03-08T13:40:52.851+0000) > > First off, massive thanks to you, RiotRepertoir. Many people were freaking out about what seemed like small compensation buffs, compared to the large reduction in Duskblade's damage. > > This is exactly what I was hoping to see for Talon. This helps him scale rather than rush a ridiculous powerspike item and then slowly fall off in damage. The ultimate ratio buff seems juicy (might even be too much) but I 100% agree that his ultimate could use most buffs as it feels a bit weak in his current state. Also the passive scaling past lvl 11 is something many Talon players on the TalonMains subreddit have been talking about too. It will also help out when not crazily fed. I'm happy to see my champ getting some love with these Duskblade nerfs ^^ bro the problem with these buffs is they will kick in late into the game when the duskblade nerfs will kick in really early into the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Sealed Talon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M0w6AX9f,comment-id=002b0000,timestamp=2018-03-08T13:50:33.371+0000) > > bro the problem with these buffs is they will kick in late into the game when the duskblade nerfs will kick in really early into the game. Talon can first blood level 2 with no items and no sums. I'm pretty sure his early game is fine.
: 8.6 Duskblade and related changes
**_YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY NERFED SHACO AFTER NERFING DUSKBLADE_** **_HOLY_** **_FUCKING_** **_SHIT_**
: > [{quoted}](name=Pennywise Main,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8a1kfMO3,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-09-28T20:44:43.337+0000) > > That's the interesting thing about Evelyn is that she can be on top of a ranged carry before they even know she's there. A Caitlyn can kite you forever as Braum because you're large, slow and your only way of getting to her is by slowing or stunning her. Evelyn just kind of "appears" next to you and it can be very surprising, especially if she has Mobi's. Too bad Braum doesn't have any slows or stuns.
> [{quoted}](name=Daddy Issues,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8a1kfMO3,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-09-28T20:46:55.843+0000) > > Too bad Braum doesn't have any slows or stuns. You have to land them, first. :P
: How do i get out of Silver?
I notice after having played a lot that I start to play a more diverse champion pool. I play more what I think will be fun at the time and not necessarily something I'm the best with or will be effective in the given situation. It's like being an artist where you're at that stage where you feel like you've learned the fundamentals, so you try to shortcut them by freehanding more things rather than starting with basic shapes. The problem is that you're not actually good enough to freehand things yet and you still need those shapes to get you to where you want to be, so you find yourself stagnating in your abilities, even regressing and drawing _worse_ art. The moment you go back to basic shapes, you begin to improve again and overcome that plateau. League is a lot like that, where we learn the game with basic champions like Annie and Warwick, but when we feel like we're good enough, we start playing a more random and diverse set of champions like Shaco, Lee Sin, Vel'koz, etc. The problem is that, while we're much more experience than we used to be, we're not nearly as good with the fundamentals as we think we are. Go back to the basics. Play simpler champions who hard carry like Annie. Play junglers with hard CC and mobility like Sejuani or Warwick. Play champions that can win by just standing there and beating someone to death rather than "lol420outPlayed" champions like Yasuo, Riven and Vayne. If you got Gold before, then I know you can get Gold again. You cannot worry about your team. Focus on yourself and applying your own personal pressure around the map as much as you can. Something that's very hard to grasp is that players below Diamond typically don't even listen to advice from other players. You might know that your Riven should build tanky since they're 0-2, but you telling them to grab armor will not make them grab armor. They will almost always ignore your advice. A bad thing about having been Gold and versing Silver players does have a bit of an ego tinge to it. You're gold, they're silver, so clearly you can just beat them. You might play more aggro, try to style on people a bit too much and go for really ambitious plays and just end up feeding in the end. That can cause frustration and tilt badly. If you're doing poorly, you can often begin to over criticize your allies for doing poorly as well, as if your mistakes are in part their fault. Getting cocky is a big reason why some players stop climbing.
: No pre6 cc and all damage I'd rather have Akali or Nidalee as support at that point LOL Edit: Just because the rework gets a single target delayed charm isn't going to make it significantly better
I'll agree with that sentiment. Granted, I don't think Evelyn support is _good_, I just think it's fun.
Cyrosi (NA)
: I'm just learning LoL, but I notice that I tend to have problems supporting bot lane as a melee character because the ADCs can outrange and poke me. For example, I really like Taric, but I'm much better as Soraka or Fiddlesticks because it's so much easier to poke and outrange people as those two. I was also surprised to discover that Jungle Taric is actually thing that exists, so I may look into that for his character instead.
That's the interesting thing about Evelyn is that she can be on top of a ranged carry before they even know she's there. A Caitlyn can kite you forever as Braum because you're large, slow and your only way of getting to her is by slowing or stunning her. Evelyn just kind of "appears" next to you and it can be very surprising, especially if she has Mobi's.
Rioter Comments
: THIS GAME SUCKS .... I JUST GOT PERMA BANNED FOR TELLING A FEEDING NASUS AND THRESH THEY SUCK GG..
This post appears to not be written by a human, but congealed adolescence that seems to have taken a final form.
: Is the ARURF champion selection truly randomized or is it biased towards getting a certain group?
If I'm not mistaken, it uses your currently available champions pool combined with the free champion rotation, similar to ARAM. I've only even gotten champions that I own or were free. I don't have much more than 20 on some accounts and I play with a very similar pool there.
: Who else thinks Blitzcrank deserves a legendary skin?
God Fist Lee Sin and God Hand Blitzcrank
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: GOT HONOR 3!
OP: "I got honor 3 for not being toxic!" Downvoters: "Oh, we'll show you fkn toxic..."
: All Taric mains are diamonds regardless of skill level. http://www.auplod.com/u/pdolua802d6.png
I mean, clearly. Who else is going to carry us to Challenger? Riven? Pffffft hahaha-
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Die Alone (EUW)
: This is gold, no idea why you're getting downvoted. How long does it take to reach bronze MMR on a fresh account? Playing full crit Yi there must be fun.
Idk but it's ***really hard***... Even blatantly inting 4v6 style, it takes a lot of skill, believe it or not, to int properly enough to get to Bronze V. You actually sometimes start to get mad that you're winning random games. Bronzies be downvoting because they're offended. ;) They can't accept that they're the slimes of League. The level 1 trash mobs.
: I got permanently banned about 2 years ago for an offensive name change
I knew a guy with the summoner of "P*ssyEater" Draven main. 100% positive he was, too.
AriCei (NA)
: League community makes you a bad person
Just do what I do. Hop on a smurf, tank that bitch's MMR down to Bronze V and main Teemo, Nunu and Shaco. You wouldn't believe what kind of a stress relief it is to slap bronzies around.
xelaker (NA)
: maybe because you come off as a condescending jackass?
Wait, why are you so salty? Have I camped you before?
: FF and reque.
TehNACHO (NA)
: These are the Boards. Did you expect discussion about gameplay?
Touche... I guess my expectations of the internet are still too damn high.
: well u said your a shaco main so all the bronze people who die to shaco instantly will downvote this ill upvote to bring it back to 1
: What do you do when every lane is ungankable and inting?
Why do people downvote questions? Like, what is your logic? ***"URGH, UH, UHHHHH, TACTICS.... TOO MUCH FOR.... MY BRONZE V BRAIN... IRRELEVANT QUESTION: MUST DOWNVOTE!"***
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Veraska (NA)
: What's the best 1 trick name you've ever seen
Aatrox: MinionsOP Ahri: Prince Charming Akali: Health Bar 404 Alistar: Ive Got a Fever Amumu: QQ Grenade Anivia: DiscountArticuno Annie: RUOK Ashe: Ult on CD Aurelion Sol: Sweaty ASol Azir: Emperor Penguin Bard: Nice to Meep You Blitzcrank: Yank Your Meat Brand: Floor is Lava ...
Veraska (NA)
: What's the best 1 trick name you've ever seen
: Today I got banned for being called a Ni****
You gotta pump that flame up. Those are rookie numbers. Where's the "kys"? The ":^)" just after each intentional death? The inevitable "N\*\*\*\*r" spam? The unrelenting babyrage? We need to teach kids these days how to flame properly. Jesus. http://i.imgur.com/x9dUvCu.jpg
Knoxinal (NA)
: This Riven change needs to be made
Why just Riven? Why not whenever ALL arcade skins are revived?
: https://i.gyazo.com/e96457fa76db5a221b974fd676ac73be.png
Calm down. You're playing against ~silver players. An AP Tryndamere one-trick could thrive at that elo. Lol. Put it in ranked. Let me see those sick Silver 5 Bard meckanix.
Kudrov (NA)
: ur nick name is clown down mid probaly a 12 years old T1 fans its sums it all about you being bronze.
Xonra (NA)
: Think I would have liked this better without all the "lmao".
I lmao don't lmao understand lmao what you're lmao trying lmao to say? Lmao.
Kudrov (NA)
: i am sad to annonce you that when a bronze player beat you ... in normals or not i mean ... yeah alot of gold player are overrated bronzoid fucks just like you. nothing realated to ego just pure and simple truth you probaly dont belong in gold at all.
Well... tell us how you really feel.
Dukues (NA)
: Norms is a joke. Hell ranked is a joke. If anyone not gold or higher gave me shit like that I would just hit them with the "you must be excited for that victorious skin this season.... o wait" line. I don't think a higher rank would make fun of me because meh.... we both know I suck no need to tell me unless they plat 5 then I could see it. But hell... if I was plat 5 I would talk so much shit it wouldn't be funny more or less just to humor myself. Sadly never been plat so I can't say it :(. Or I could but ... it really losses it's meaning. Best is when you fucking around and someone says "I am a diamond smurf" when they getting wrecked in a silver game haha. I have been practicing adc on an alt account and we beat a team the other day and the enemy jungler was pissed and threw out the "well the important thing is I have a diamond 3 acct so I guess this loss doesn't matter". Although...... looking at it now he didn't specify he was a diamond smurf... only that he had a diamond account so maybe just admitting to account buying/boosting? (low silver ranked game).
> [{quoted}](name=Dukues,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=EZuWVPwX,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2017-07-10T19:32:39.589+0000) > > If anyone not gold or higher gave me shit like that I would just hit them with the "you must be excited for that victorious skin this season.... o wait" line. Holy moly that's fucking brutal. Lol.
: Honestly, ever since I hit gold, I feel like every game I do bad somebody on my team or the other, asks me if I got boosted or if I bought this account. Especially because I play top mid an supp, so I apologize if my one mediocre jungle game means I got boosted
In their defense, gold is the most popular elo to be boosted to or have bought. And it's pretty hard to get knocked out of at Gold since you have to actually have to have a Silver V or worse MMR. It's a pretty ripe zone where only the absolute worst players actually get demoted. :P
: To be honest, gold is enough to not really be performing poorly against a full team of Bronze.
To be fair, I personally wasn't the one inting and I was playing Shaco support. The odds were pretty stacked against me. Shaco support is not something that gets picked when you expect to win. I just wasn't expecting the terminal case of bronze.
: Because for some reason gold/plat players are often the first to pull up rank in a discussion. and act all stuck up about it, kinda like someone who would make a thread after being called noob by a bronze player in normals, lmao. There's also the fact that people will start questioning why they are being matched against them in the first place. When i had to play against full silver + gold teams as a bronze one player in ranked for example, i found it so retarded. why should i prove being better than gold to show i'm silver 5. And while you may put all your time in ranked they might just be fucking around in Normals and almost never play ranked. the previous two seasons i just stopped in silver cuz ranked is less fun than normals, and doesn't mean shit unless you're like high diamond/masters/challenger + there's no guarantee that i'll get gold. Lately i have been playing ranked tho, might aswell try to get gold for the skin. Also why the fuck not? if i'm beating your ass as toplane onhit bard idc if you're trying a new champ or not, i'm just gonna say "EZ" and watch you tilt from then on. The gold ego kills me, LMAO. IT's as bad as plat except they got less to show for it.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Bard can't even build on-hit anymore. There's a reason it's a troll build. It's like Tankmo. Lmao. If someone loses to Bard top, they're just running it down, simple as that.
TheMesa (NA)
: His posterior must be entirely laughed off, I assume.
It's a real problem. My doctor says if I don't quit within the next 6 months, I'll have irreverable assless syndrome. :( Lmao
obsesse (NA)
: I imagine some of it is ego, some of it is jealousy, and some of it is ignorance. Ego: Very few bronze players think they are bronze players. When they beat a higher ranked player, specifically Gold because that is likely their end goal in League, it confirms their held belief that they are better than their rank. If you make a mistake in lane or take a bad trade, the bronze player will likely all chat mock you because they are generally incapable of seeing _their own mistakes_, i.e. they believe they generally play perfectly. This is part of the reason they are bronze and prevents them from getting better at the game. Jealousy: This one is fairly obvious. They think they deserve a better rank. However, all those _other_ pesky bronze players keep holding them back! You must have gotten lucky to have climbed to gold. Ignorance: Bronze players are there for a reason. Something regarding their own play is keeping them from climbing. I've met many, many bronze players who are pretty exceptional at their main champion, however they lack nearly all of the fundamentals of the game. To put it simply, they do not know what it takes to win a game. They win and lose games without truly knowing why. They make good plays without knowing _why_ it's a good play, though more often they make bad plays for the same reason. I realize you were just venting a bit but I thought I'd share my thoughts on a bigger league phenomenon in hopes that anyone who checks this out can discover something that's been holding them back from climbing. Cheers.
I personally find it kind of funny, though. But you're absolutely right. I still completely suck at game knowledge. Closing out a game is still one of the hardest concept for me to figure out. I mean, that's generally the thing you figure out in diamond+ really, but still. I one trick Shaco so I can outplay most matchups just fine, which is how I ended up in Gold, but at the end of the day, I know I have a lot to learn. People say Gold is the chill elo and it really is. It's the first step out of sucking and everyone really mellows out right at Gold V. Lmao. It's hilarious, but actually makes League fun when you don't have as much baby rage. Unfortunately, if I want to play normals, I have to deal with Bronze/Silver players because I don't play Normals very much, but still.
Rioter Comments
: I don't think Shaco needs even more stuff implemented to make people tilt, tbh. ô.o
Well, we call that line of thinking "negativity". I kill you: I'm laughing, you're laughing, everyone's having a great time.
: Petition to have Shaco's enemy play their Laugh sound bite if he kills them
Clown OTP's everywhere salute your cause, good sir. {{champion:35}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:35}}

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