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There is enough damage in the game. We don't need another lethality item, we don't need a crazy elder dragon buff, and we don't need any "dragon souls". Everyone with an elder buff is going to be pyke now and they wont even rerquire an ability slot for the execute; just apply the burn with an auto... I'm also sure that anyone who has had a pyke ult their entire team knows that PYKE doesn't even work how a support should actually work. Why should a support be able to snowball his adc with extra gold when HES the one taking the kill!? He generates free gold and its bs, but I digress.
Everything else with the map changes and the new way dragons work feels forced but I understand Riot is just trying to keep the game fresh. However, sanguine blade, elder dragon, and "dragon souls" seems to be pushing the damage creep further and further.
Im starting to like split pushing so you'd bet your behinds I'll build sanguine anyway if it hits live lmao
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Eternals Feedback Thread: Set 1 Uniques
Some better sion trackers are
Enemies stopped mid dash with q
Drive by w kills while in R at max speed
3+ man q
2-3+ man R
3+ man e
3-4+ man w rather than how much hp we got... we can see how much how we get in the tooltip for w. Or even w landed when there’s like less than a certain threshold of hp left in the shield.
Wall drifts in r if that’s trackable
Enemies hit with a charged q is kinda boring. It’s like tracking how many times I land q on cho Garth or something.
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Why would a fighter have an execute ability. He’s an assasin, he can get into fights and leave fights. Many fighters and tanks are able to engage and enter fights but have a very hard time leaving them. Usually champs with that much mobility are labeled as assasins or “slayers” {{champion:157}}
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He has abilities comparable
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Think of camille almost like Sion or rammus. They have god like engage, but once they’re in the fight they stay there. There really isn’t a way out.
That is because of heir class. Camille is a bruiser/tank. Sylas is an assassin, I wouldn’t compare the two so heavily.
Camille’s forms of mobility are both on relatively long cooldowns.
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Well I said slightly. Not agree with me because I’m 100% right you cretins.
Y’all make no counter arguments to my points.
Regardless camille’s gap closer is on a really long cd and her only other gap closer is on an ultimate cooldown.
Like yeah y’all can think oh well Salas is weak here or whatever and that he isn’t op, but the point was is that Riot just decided to shove whatever they thought of into his kit.
But y’all can be as unproductive as you want. Keep being “Riot dick suckers” as I believe Hethalean put it.
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YES! My cs is trashhhhhhhhh. I dont know what to do honestly. Maybe better minion wave management for my roams or learning how to cs better under tower. I would be so much consistently stronger if I got my CS under control. Rito reward sion players for good farm with his W but I don't want to farm... I want to get my team ahead by fighting with them. I get soooooo nervous when I'm in my sidelane fixing the wave when mid game starts to come around.
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I just checked, i think the glitch got me into gold, but I stayed in low gold for a long time after they fixed it
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1. I was still in silver (MAYBE low gold) after the glitch was fixed
2. I was playing sion before they made his e super easy to hit
3. I can still hit E's consistently with or without the glitch.
TBH it was hilarious with comet and I was missing a lot of E's immediatly after the fixed it {{sticker:sg-shisa}}
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I used the term wrong then, am i bad and are people carrying me almost every game
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every other rune on the resolve tree.
If resolve is your main tree, then you're most likely a tank and dont need/want tenacity. I think you're better served going revitalize/overgrowth.
Now if you're taking resolve as a secondary tree the other rune lines way outclass the one with unflinching in it. Bone plating and second wind are way too op to pass up. Even if you don't take second wind theres chrysalis for damage dealers and conditioning for tankier people.
My personal verdict is I would never, ever take unflinching unless I'm doing a 100% troll tenacity build.
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The most tilting thing about his windwall is when he essentially "misses it" he still blocks the projectile.
We all know where a windwall is placed in relation to where Yasuo is. So when the projectile is passed that point, even if he casts windwall the projectile should still hit, right? Nope. The spell comes from yasuos center and travels to that point. So even if Yasuo has shit reaction timing he can still block a lot of projectiles because it works the millisecond he presses w.
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unflinching is such trash, only because it doesn't have base stat until you use your summoners
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wow
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I absolutely loathe it when the fed person on the other team gets a GA. Once saw a 10/2 Vlad build one, maybe for shits and giggles. But it just made him so much more... unkillable.
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you're asking me to be constructive while all you're doing is whining and not thinking of ways to deal with him. I have plenty of bad matchups in top lane. Sometimes I win them because I played them correctly. I don't always win, its not even 50/50 but I win enough bad matchups like sion into darius, sion into riven, sion into tyrndamere. Like I don't always win but at least I know what to do and sometimes it works! I alter my playstyle, I change my build, I permaban darius even though I know what to do vs him. I adapt.
You talk about being constructive. Why don't you try it and stop crying. Notice how I didn't put a question mark there. I'm not asking you to stop crying, I'm telling you to stop crying or permaban him.
Edit: BTW I have been 100-0 as a sion, very early on in a gank, but thats because I pushed without vision and I got punished.
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I'm a Sion main here too, just made plat yay, I agree on a lot of points. However, I do like the W buff. He's supposed to have this great HP pool but its honestly shit because of his low HP per level and low base HP. Like the passive is just making up for how bad his base stats are until late game. However, Sion isn't a late game champion which is evident by his drop in winrate as games get longer. So the W buff will help him out a bit in my opinion. Or they could just keep the passive the same and fix his base stats but I think the passive route would reward good farm while in lane.
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> So to you, cho Q isn't a skillshot? Good joke. Windwall only blocks attacks that utilize a *projectile*. It does not block all skillshots.
I guess sion e and q isnt a skill shot either.
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You need to go apeshit on tyrndamere from the start of laning phase. Literally, do not let him breathe. Once he gets fury stacked up, dont even try to fight him, you lost. It only takes a few seconds for him to get his fury. If you can zone him off of auto attacking minions then you won the lane. Once hes chunked down, all the fury he gains will be used on healing himself instead of critting you.
Honestly, go for early game champs. End the game quick. You don't want a feeding tyrndamre afk splitting the whole game taking towers while you're all dicking around the map. Close the game quickly before he can farm back up and take all of the top towers.
I do think its bullshit that he can R while cc'ed tho. Didn't know that until i read it here. I always thought my damage didn't go off quick enough. You kinda have to burst him so fast that he can't react or wasn't expecting to die.
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I have to add that he may be frustrating to play against, but I'm a top laner I don't see him much during laning phase. I do see him shitting on people but something to understand is the people getting shit on weren't building properly. Now that he has his one or two kills he can steamroll. Feast or famine.
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You have to play around him.
By the time he gets lvl 2 ult, your teammates should be grouping at this point so they can answer to his ult when he appears behind his target. In addition, it helps if the person targeted faces AWAY from his/her teammates so zed spawns that much closer to the people about to slaughter him.
It's almost like playing around rengar, don't wander alone
It's almost like playing around nocturne, don't wander alone
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start cloth 5 if you wanna be a baby
or
try your best to recall with at least 1100 gold on your first back, most likely if youre getting poked out by zed it will be second but at least you'll have bought armor
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thank you
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Every time I see someone get facerolled in the mid lane they never build that item. See the comment below to understand why a 300g buy shits on his 1100 gold buy and how efficient seekers I against him and other lethality mid matchups.
And your zhonyas should not protect you from every ult he has to throw at you. At lvl 6 his ult (without CDR) is the same cooldown as zhonyas so stop bitching about him snowballing during laning phase.
I'm assuming team fights post lvl 16 are the problem here. Seeing as how you're the support you seem to be the one that's messing them up. When zed ults, he lands directly behind his target. Stun him right there. Exhaust him right there. Root him right there. As Sion, when i see zed ult a target, I start to charge my Q while he's in the animation behind my ally. It's a team game and it seems you're not "supporting" your team the right way. Get reported goofball.
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The point is is that assassins like zed love to build lethality to do, what can essentially be boiled down to as, true damage.
10 lethality from {{item:3134}} whereas you get 15 armor from {{item:1029}}. You essentially shit on their 1100 gold buy with only 300 gold.
And what maths are you talking about?
30 armor= 600 gold
20 AP = 435
So it's like 65 gold off of 100% value?
But wait, there's more!
It's not even fully stacked
You get another 300 gold of value from the armor after its fully stacked. We are already over 100% efficiency vs cost without even considering the stacked APP
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1. Who do you think you're talking to?
2. He said 40% CDR and nothing about additional runes.
3. WAIT THERE'S MORE
Ultimate hunter is multiplicative and not additive.
40% off 60 seconds is 36
5% off of 36 seconds from Ultimate Hunter is 30.6 seconds
4. Especially as a mage you're supposed to rush {{item:3191}} against ALL AD matchups. If you aren't, you're literally cucking yourself. It sounds to me like you keep building the same build path against all opponents thinking it will be okay
5. I used to main Karthus before I picked up Sion season 7. Always rushed seekers vs a zed or a Yasuo
Get some fucking manners, learn to do math, and don't stalk my account because you don't like what I have to say even though its right.
Tbh I should have you reported for calling me an ape; out of nowhere too.
Dont worry I numbered the points so you can read them without having to think too hard.
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AND sometimes it's not even a good idea to gank if I'm farming under tower because then I'll miss a bunch of minions. The only way to rectify this is to actually get the kill which doesn't always happen.
Like, its a tell that if someone is playing passive and all of a sudden they walk up to stun you, their jungler is probably nearby. Just walk away lol
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Maybe I worded this wrong.
They will invade the enemy jungle without looking at how my lane is doing. Sometimes I cannot push my lane. Sometimes I need to sit under my tower. If I'm under tower I can help set up the gank but there's no way I can help if he's getting collapsed on by the enemy jungler and my laner.
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Just use your first R as a gap closer... so the big damage R is ready when you need it
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When they gonna tweak quinn and her ridiculous damage lmao
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... Can you do math bro? 40% off of 60 seconds is not 24... Thats more than half of the original number. Try again.
And you're most likely not building armor vs him early game. Just rush {{item:3191}} or {{item:3026}} and stop feeding like everyone else who doesnt buy this.
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A bronze player would be more likely to take a trade in a large enemy minion wave than a gold or a platinum player. When they get shit on after the trade due to minions they're like, "omg man so op and broken nerf that champion." And I just have to reply, " I'm not OP, don't fight me in my minion wave...." I still see it in gold and i doubt that ill see it now that I'm in plat.
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Honestly, as a Sion main, I just max my shield, get ninja tabi, and either a frozen heart or a raunduins. He literally cannot break my shield most of the time and I can shit on him with my w damage after his poke damage.
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the fact you don't know that s5 is shorthand for silver 5 and not season 5 tells me you're nothing but a dirty troll
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I love these new abilites. However, they seem a bit overloaded. His q is a pull in and a slow right after? Plus it can make an aoe ground effect. This is the new aatrox w in reverse. Its also a diana pull but with much more damage.
I think W does too much damage, but I love the ornn style channel with the silence and the additional silence you receive after the chennel ends. Consider making the shockwave pulse from the same angle as the original because it would feel pretty bad to get silence again after leaving the area.
I like the passive but i think it might do too much dmg.
I think feast has too low of a cooldown, considering that it synergizes with the rest of his abilites.
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LOL, tis a shame there are people in bronze on the balance teams.
Low rank doesn't mean your mechanically bad. Well... it could BUT
It means you don't know how to play the game. It means you don't understand minion wave management, making trades based on minions present, making trades based on matchup (This champ OP), where to ward, looking at your map, where to pressure and what that pressure gives you on the map. When I was in bronze people flamed me for calling plays like, don't push that wave because we already have super minions there. Now in my new ELO people are more aware of whats going on. Like... I'm really irked that people who are in bronze are in charge of how some of the mechanics in the game are changed.
Some of the stuff I'm aware of NOW I didn't even fathom in bronze and silver. Now that I know these things I am climbing. There is also more for me to learn.
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You basically combined darius' and brand's passive with some tweaks.
It is interesting though.
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Make sure you weave in auto attacks in between casting your abilities.
Like if youre Riven, you are trying to auto attack inbetween each Q.
If you are Nasus, you auto attack before you Q
Also, play around cooldown windows, if someone wastes an ability trying to clear a minion wave, for a few seconds, you can engage on them knowing they can't use that ability on you. Same thing for champions with dashes and escape abilities.
Did Blitzcrank waste his movement speed increase? Did he miss his grab? Those are high cooldown abilities. Punish him and engage off of that. Weave in your autos.
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Can you write in English?
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Sion's passive really only makes up for his crap base hp and hp per level.
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Feels like they're just bending supports over sideways and .... well... ya know. Especially with starting item gold nerf. I always liked face of the mountain
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I like this, as it will provide a way to mitigate the mobility creep of the game. I don't think there is enough grounding cc in the game. We have Cassiopeia, singed, and maybe Camille if you wanna bend the definition as to what being grounded actually is.
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His base health is so damn low. His win rate drops considerably late game and late game is the only time you're going to see the true effects of his health stacking passive. That is of course unless you're getting disgusting farm and ignoring your team afking top lane :)
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Riot has a tendency to creep the meta into a ridiculous pathway. Few patches ago they buff ignite. Now they nerf teleport because of fiestas in bot lane. Sigh, honestly the only reason you see fiestas in the bot lane is that bot overextends with no vision, mid comes to gank, maybe the jungle too and then top will teleport. It all has to do with looking at your map and saying, do I know where everyone is? Yes, I can be aggressive. No? I should step back and let the enemy push the wave into me. My laner is pushing the wave? That's a tell that someone plans on ganking soon or is on their way. Ward try to push and back off.
TLDR: Riot is literally trying to overcompensate for people not looking at their maps before making decisions.
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