: Yi is an assassin, if left untouched by crowd control then that is exactly what an assassin can and will do.
> [{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IEqYyWWg,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T05:03:52.242+0000) > > Yi is an assassin, if left untouched by crowd control then that is exactly what an assassin can and will do. Hypercarry*
: Who Needs Nerfs>
i main Leona and Nocturne so from my perspective everyone besides Sona needs a nerf.
: i found out the most cancerous comp ever
Theres no mage. Mages are the most impactful team fight role.
PekiCodex (EUW)
: Do YOU support non-meta strategies?
to an extent. Leona jungle? Okay. Nocturne top/mid? Sure thing. AD Soraka jungle? Nope. functional off-meta is acceptable. Dysfunctional off-meta is just trolling.
: PSA: Stop asking for nerfs to champions when it's the keystones that break them!
yeah! nerf tanks because Lux is OP. What sound logic you have.
: Played two games where my support decided to do a smite, river support thing.
playing off meta isnt reportable though. Riots own words "We like to encourage different styles of play.".
: Then the question arises: wtf is your jungler even doing? If bot isn’t winning, mid isn’t winning, top is being camped with no answer and no jungle objectives are being taken, what use are they to your team? If winning bot isn’t an option. And if winning mid isn’t an option. And if taking jungle objectives isn’t an option... Maybe just come top?? Like fuck, i have to ask my junglers these questions every other game. Like we aren’t playing chess here. There’s 3 lanes and ganking 2 of them isn’t working. Maybe, just maybe, gank the other one???
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleeper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5ubNceOG,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-06-15T14:32:48.360+0000) > > Then the question arises: wtf is your jungler even doing? > > If bot isn’t winning, mid isn’t winning, top is being camped with no answer and no jungle objectives are being taken, what use are they to your team? > > If winning bot isn’t an option. And if winning mid isn’t an option. And if taking jungle objectives isn’t an option... > > Maybe just come top?? Like fuck, i have to ask my junglers these questions every other game. Like we aren’t playing chess here. There’s 3 lanes and ganking 2 of them isn’t working. Maybe, just maybe, gank the other one??? probably what most junglers are doing when their laners are losing to a degree where they cant be helped- power farming their jungle as efficiently as possible, and looking for moments of oppurtunity within their jungle path, to apply pressure. So, nothing. Stalling, waiting for the enemy to make a mistake so that a comeback can happen. Not feeding like the rest of the team. beleive it or not, there are games where the best option for your jungler is to just do nothing but farm. ESPECIALLY if he/she is not a highly impactful early game jungle champ, then you really cant do shit but farm. Kind of like a "Live today, fight tomorrow mentality". Losing lanes without jungle influence doesnt only impact your lane, it impacts your jungler ALOT. He cant save you. Reality is, junglers are more dependent on laners than laners are dependent on junglers this season.
AR URF (NA)
: I think I know why everyone hates yasuo now.
Yasuos only weakness: The players awareness of immensely overloaded kit gives them a false sense that they can 1v5. So they do, until they win. Im not sure if its a weakness or not.
: Are their any 3v3 Meta now and days?
Hypermobility+Dive mechanics. Example: Rammus+Quinn+Zilnean. The idea is to shove lane>collapse on other lane at 5000mph before the enemy team can group up to defend it. Anti-death mechanics like Zilean R or Taric R to ensure that you have a 100% chance to survive your cheesy dive.
: who you tried this with that it worked and what were the current stats of that situation?
> [{quoted}](name=RainbowIcee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cO89Kven,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2019-06-14T22:41:40.420+0000) > > who you tried this with that it worked and what were the current stats of that situation? He was level 13 Mordekaiser . {{item:3020}} {{item:3116}} {{item:3151}} idr what runes. I was 12 Jungle Leona. {{item:3111}} {{item:1413}} {{item:3091}} w aftershock.
YaraUwU (NA)
: I cannot fucking stand when junglers get to camp top unanswered.
Just because their jungler is camping top, doesn't mean the enemy bot lane isn't stomping your bot lane 2v2, leaving your jungler unable to take drag, or gank without your mid laner getting involved as well.
: Change Leonas passive
yeah and both(IK that whole whopping two people) of them have below a 50% wr. Lol. Thats called getting carried/lucking to your rank. Also, one of them only has 2 Leona games played above Plat. The other has 17% of games above plat played as Leona.(39.87% winrate on Leona) sooooooooooooooo.... upon closer inspection, they pretty much both exclusively only are playing Leona in unranked games.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Sounds more like you just cant play leona.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5eMQ3RsB,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-14T12:56:39.056+0000) > > Sounds more like you just cant play leona. Playing Leona anywhere above Gold is a vastly different scenario than playing Leona below Gold. I can stomp sub-gold players all day long as Leona. Anywhere on the map, in any role. Any player above Gold knows how to exploit Leonas glaring weakness(Her E, and her "all-in" nature). heres an example of what a Gold+ player would do vs Leona. Lux vs Leona bot lane. Leona should win from your view, right? Since Lux is soft and immobile. Easy target. Well, no. A gold+ Lux is going to sit on her root CD and wait for Leona to begin her INCREDIBLY SLOW Zenith Blade or ultimate animation, and use that as her que to cast her root in Leonas direction. this 100% guarentees that you cancel her E(Zenith Blade) or make her unable to followup on landing her ultimate. it also makes Leona a useless sitting duck for the next 12 seconds, leaving you a large window of time to do whatever you want.
: Change Leonas passive
Every Leona main doesnt even play Leona anymore. You would need a full premade dedicated to banning her extensive list of hard counters just to even make her a viable support choice. the only reason Leona even sees gameplay in the botlane is because she is the easiest support to pick up and play. Her kit is extremely binary and mechanicless, shes VERY easy to play and is the most played autofill support as a result. Doesnt change the fact that shes a terrible version of Alistar. Also...you already can jungle as Leona...and it isnt broken. You on drugs? you really think a scaling by level sunfire effect(properly tuned) would add a significant enough amount of damage to make her a godtier duelist? Really?....The main purpose of it would be to finish off targets hit with E/W+Talisman burn. Not for combative purposes. Exclusively for clearing purposes. i could go over what Leona needs inorder to be viable in the support slot if youd like. -unstoppable on her E. -Faster missle speed on her E. -percentage mitigation on her W id be okay with this as well. I just want to be able to competitively play my main champion. Idc where tbh. *shes already capable of jungling at a B Tier level. Shes currently a better jungler than she is a support. She clears 1.4seconds faster than Nocturne on a full first clear. Currently. The main reason i actually want a sunfire effect on her, is to force her out of botlane(because the sunfire would shove lanes)and encourage players to play her where she is functioning rather than where she isnt functioning. You could honestly just make her Zenith Blade capable of latching onto large Monsters and that would be enough of a buff to make her an A tier jungler. Id tune the sunfire very conservatively cuz she doesnt really need it. Like at lvl 1, 2damage per second(+100% to monsters).
Fargo79 (NA)
: So we leave her Pigeon holed as a VERY vulnerable tank/support? Other then her CC and her VERY minor passive she has nothing that calls her a support.. Meanwhile other supports like Kench, can flourish in numerous roles without giving up anything.. Moving Leo to the jungle? why not.. might freshen up the jungle comps.. a small change to her kit to allow this isnt going to make her OP.. and if it puts her more on the OP side then people just ban her.. Christ Morg gets a small change to her ulti and she is almost a permaban..
We dont NEED Leona anywhere. the champ roster is huge....the purpose of the sunfire passive would be so that she doesnt waste a significant amount of time clearing Wraiths and Golems on her first clear, and then just to add a little bit of sustained dps onto her damage. We DEFINITELY dont need her in a support slot. *replied to the wrong guy. woops.
: PSA: Mordekaiser has a very simple HARD COUNTER; This is how you beat him, as a laner OR jungler
really the counter to morde is... any MR item. As long as you have an MR item you can survive his ult, or just outright kill him in his ult.
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: Morde ult needs some kind of particle.
i hate having morde on my team. he ults my target, and leaves me alone to duel some hyper duelist that he is afraid to get near. Thanks morde.
: How are you supposed to deal with a sona taric bot?
Cho'gath support, max W. Taric cant utilize his passive or any of his abilities with a long duration silence in the equation. Sona has the same problem. +theyre both susceptible to getting 1shotted by a full rotation with Feast.
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Antenora (EUW)
: Funny because the last few games I've played have always had a soft or hard feeding top laner.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pb7A0fOo,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-14T10:29:04.129+0000) > > Funny because the last few games I've played have always had a soft or hard feeding top laner. Top laners are still playing a whole different useless minigame. So you experienced one of those extremely rare games where a top laner had impact and got fed. Doesnt really change the statistic that the higher ranked bot lane wins 87.91% of games. meanwhile the higher ranked top laner wins 50.47% of games. So....
: So whats the point of building armor again?
there isnt a point. Steraks+HP. Zhonyas active. PD. are all better than pure defense items for being defensive.
: How to counter new Mordekiaser
He seems relatively easy to duel in his ult, as long as you have an MR item. If i can do it as Leona with Cinderhulk+Mercs+Wits End, i imagine better champions can do it.
: Mid lane doesn't matter at all apparently. 9 min gunblade: https://snag.gy/lanVEp.jpg
> [{quoted}](name=Queen Weeß,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pb7A0fOo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-13T22:26:37.298+0000) > > Mid lane doesn't matter at all apparently. 9 min gunblade: > https://snag.gy/lanVEp.jpg Mid lane only has a impact(lesser than that of bot lane). By roaming bot lane...
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: Mords rework
yeah...hes a Juggernaut. They all do that. The idea is to kite them and outplay their immobile predictable kits with your hyperoverloaded modernized 2019 mechanics.
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Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kytmXZhA,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-12T15:29:36.889+0000) > > Extreme hard counters: > Morgana > Thresh > Alistar > Pyke > Tahm > > > > Hard counters: > Zyra(That knows to root the Zenith Blade) > Lux(that knows to root the Zenith Blade) > Taric > Nautilus > Janna(tornado the Zenith blade) > > Soft counters: > Soraka(just drop your skillshot on yourself when you see Leona Zenith Blade) > Xerath > Fiddlesticks(Just fear the Leona out of Zenith) > Lulu > > Things Leona is = to. > Brand > Braum > Karma > > Zenith Blade+Leona Q is just a slower, more telegraphed Headbutt+Pulverize. > So slow, that its dysfunctional anywhere above gold. > > > This isnt even including the plethora of ADCs that also at the very least soft counter Leona. > > The only time Leona is a good pick, is into Sona/Brand/Braum/Karma+immobile ADC. > Which is generally never. > > Pick Alistar, he is the same champion with a better more reliable kit. Zyra and lux get hard, and i mean HARD stomped by leona. If youre losing to either of these as a leona, then youre beyond help. Theyre immobile and their damage is lower than yours will be if your ADC follows up. Theyre free kills. Pyke? He cant counter you. He has no way to get you off the ADC, and if you go on him hes too squishy to live. Ali can counter you, but he loses his engage to do so. So it doesnt work well for him either. Brand is a free kill, not equal. Like, all this shows is you dont even know how to play leona.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kytmXZhA,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-12T15:44:48.325+0000) > > Zyra and lux get hard, and i mean HARD stomped by leona. If youre losing to either of these as a leona, then youre beyond help. Theyre immobile and their damage is lower than yours will be if your ADC follows up. Theyre free kills. > > Pyke? He cant counter you. He has no way to get you off the ADC, and if you go on him hes too squishy to live. > > Ali can counter you, but he loses his engage to do so. So it doesnt work well for him either. > > Brand is a free kill, not equal. Like, all this shows is you dont even know how to play leona. Gold+ Lux/Zyra mains have the brain capacity to predict your Zenith Blade and exploit its range/slow missle speed/telegraphedness. They have faster missle speed roots with longer range. Leona begins her extremely slow E telegraph. Zyra/Lux use their root on Leona. Canceling her E, putting it on CD and leaving Leona useless and helpless for the next 10seconds each time it happens. You can do the same thing with Leonas ultimate. You see her telegraph it? Just root in her direction. Yes, youre stunned, but she cant reach you to followup. EVEN if she flashes. to be fair, I can see having enemies over 70fps throwing this into Leonas favor, as there is not much room for timing error in Rooting her out of her E. 70fps would probably be pushing the boundaries of you timing it correctly. reliably atleast.
: Yuumi And Mordenkaiser, how unintentional nerf went too far.
I am a Diamond Leona, and ive actually stopped playing Leona as support and play her exclusively in the jungle now due to too many countermatchups in botlane.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kytmXZhA,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-12T15:29:36.889+0000) > > > Things Leona is = to. > Brand I'm sorry, i just can't help it but say HOW THE HELL IS BRAND = LEONA? Brand shits on everything melee, and i mean SHITS on them in lane.
> [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kytmXZhA,comment-id=0000000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-12T15:48:54.602+0000) > > I'm sorry, i just can't help it but say > HOW THE HELL IS BRAND = LEONA? > > Brand shits on everything melee, and i mean SHITS on them in lane. its a skill matchup. Leona can combo brand since he cant easily CC her out of Zenith Blade like other mages do. Brand can poke Leona out of lane and deny her Relic Shield procs It can go either way.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kytmXZhA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-12T14:37:01.942+0000) > > Something counters Yuumi? > Oh thats too bad. > > Leona mains are hard countered by almost every single champion that is played in the bot lane, but they arent complaining. > Just sayin. ? Leona is countered by morg, and thats mostly it for supports. Janna if she can hit 6. Leona does amazingly well into things like zyra, brand, or any immobile ADC. The only real issue with leona is that most ADCs dont pair well with her. If your ADC isnt aggro, leona wont work.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kytmXZhA,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-06-12T14:58:59.377+0000) > > ? Leona is countered by morg, and thats mostly it for supports. Janna if she can hit 6. > > Leona does amazingly well into things like zyra, brand, or any immobile ADC. > > The only real issue with leona is that most ADCs dont pair well with her. If your ADC isnt aggro, leona wont work. Extreme hard counters: Morgana Thresh Alistar Pyke Tahm Hard counters: Zyra(That knows to root the Zenith Blade) Lux(that knows to root the Zenith Blade) Taric Nautilus Janna(tornado the Zenith blade) Soft counters: Soraka(just drop your skillshot on yourself when you see Leona Zenith Blade) Xerath Fiddlesticks(Just fear the Leona out of Zenith) Lulu Things Leona is = to. Brand Braum Karma Zenith Blade+Leona Q is just a slower, more telegraphed Headbutt+Pulverize. So slow, that its dysfunctional anywhere above gold. This isnt even including the plethora of ADCs that also at the very least soft counter Leona. The only time Leona is a good pick, is into Sona/Brand/Braum/Karma+immobile ADC. Which is generally never. Pick Alistar, he is the same champion with a better more reliable kit.
: Yuumi And Mordenkaiser, how unintentional nerf went too far.
Something counters Yuumi? Oh thats too bad. Leona mains are hard countered by almost every single champion that is played in the bot lane, but they arent complaining. Just sayin.
: Irelia, Akali and Aatrox
they arent failures. They are part of a transition. Eventually every champion will be hyperoverloaded- hyperoverloaded kits have been the standard of balance for over a year now and the game is weeding out non-overloaded champions, slowly, with reworks.
: How to defend against Tahm Ketch.
flame yourself for not banning Tahm.
: Serious question. What does Irelia actually lack?
irelia doesnt lack anything. She is a modernized champion, and mechanically is one of the standards of modern balance.
: Assassin mains are the most respected people in this game.
ADC mains is the only role that deserves any acknowledgement of their skill. Everything else is easy in comparison. -Jungle/Top main.
: Manamune
i feel like its more of an Ezreal complaint than a manamune complaint. Yeah really only Ezreal uses it, and its overtuned for him.
: Sylas is way to over loaded
overloaded is the standard of balance since a while ago.
Weensw (NA)
: Out of every single champion, who can give the best leash?
realistically without offmeta picks. Kaisa/Cait. Zyra/Heimer/Leona/Taric/Janna(Shield start)
Spekkıo (NA)
: Grievous Wounds, how much does it cost?
i imagine its to keep mid lane mages in the mid lane, since mid laners dont really sustain, there isnt a reason to need Grievous wounds early.
: There is an off-meta OP build for Yasuo and it WORKS
Khanzax (EUW)
: A way to introduce a beta for 'Ranked Aram' properly.
i kinda feel like the only way you could do ranked ARAM is if you have asigned roles, and then the player gets a randomized champion based on their selected role. The problem with ARAM isnt neccisarily champions, its more that a complete team comp destroys a dysfunctional team comp.
: How to waist time loseing
: I truly think lane rengar is just too oppressive
hes easy to read, and as a result easy to gank. He also kinda breaks team composition metas, and even if he wins his lane, sorta becomes useless.
: Just change Leonas passive, or add onto it.
im actually surprised she isnt on the list for some kind of a rework. She has a big issue with virtually everything in the bot lane hard countering or soft countering her. You basically HAVE to ban Morgana, Thresh, and Nautilus just to even consider playing her. I feel like the easiest thing to do would be to adjust her for either jungling or top lane. She doesnt need much tweaking to accomplish that.
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: Glacial Augment is Decent.
Glacial Augment Nocturne. Cinderhulk>Randuins Omen. Press R, not to assassinate, but to land in the middle of an entire team. Activate Randuins Omen.
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