: So Riot can make a Dota Chess clone in less than half a year, but at the same time they...
None of your points are accurate or show you have any comprehension of how the industry works.
: What the rioter did was against his own terms of employment.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gy1Agj5M,comment-id=00060002,timestamp=2019-06-19T02:58:44.801+0000) > > What the rioter did was against his own terms of employment. Unlikely. They received a report, investigated it, and came to a conclusion contrary to what we believe riot's policy should be. The problem we have should be with the company, not the individual, as the individual just reinforces the company's policy.
: The rioter in question DOES have that authority.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gy1Agj5M,comment-id=0006000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T03:34:03.674+0000) > > The rioter in question DOES have that authority. Unless theyre on the player behavior team, the most they can do is pass info along.
: If that's the way you read it, then I don't know what to tell you.
> [{quoted}](name=Toxic Skies,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rEQXn1eE,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:35:36.251+0000) > > If that's the way you read it, then I don't know what to tell you. That is what youre claiming.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0000000100000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:30:55.445+0000) > > So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. As long as youre playing with intent to win, you can literally do all that. If that wasnt allowed, everyone below diamond would be immediately banned, not to mention inting sion was a legitimate strategy that won games.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0000000100000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T19:58:47.832+0000) > > And you can opt to support another lane as well. 2 top was literally tournament meta not long ago. Thats called non optimal right now and others dont want to play with it so unless you get your team's consent its trolling then
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:12:43.092+0000) > > Thats called non optimal right now and others dont want to play with it so unless you get your team's consent its trolling then Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender.
: Theres a difference between a roam, and not going bot at all. I didnt think i had to explain that my bad.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T19:56:28.750+0000) > > Theres a difference between a roam, and not going bot at all. I didnt think i had to explain that my bad. And you can opt to support another lane as well. 2 top was literally tournament meta not long ago.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T18:19:59.717+0000) > > No assassin other than ekko has ever had a meta build that was bruiser. {{champion:105}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:245}} I don't consider Noc (diver), old Eve (grey area but mostly diver with her ult), or Yi an assassin, but literally everything else did at one point/still does do bruiser builds. Shaco - season 7 they did a trinity force build into tank items, they played mainly for split pushing and being annoying and less on assassination. Rengar - season 7 to now, there's a reason he's gotten reclassified to diver. Kha - season 7 to now has a bruiser build kha mains go when they want to just play off W evo utility and are against full tank/bruiser comps. (warrior, tabis/mercs, duskblade, cleaver, Maw/GA , Deadman's/visage) Fizz - season 6 (onhit fizz top, and i think sunfire fizz was a thing at one point too before ekko proved he was better at it.) Ekko - season 6 (tankko)
> [{quoted}](name=Tormentula,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=00020000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-18T19:10:51.212+0000) > > {{champion:105}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:245}} > > I don't consider Noc (diver), old Eve (grey area but mostly diver with her ult), or Yi an assassin, but literally everything else did at one point/still does do bruiser builds. > > Shaco - season 7 they did a trinity force build into tank items, they played mainly for split pushing and being annoying and less on assassination. > > Rengar - season 7 to now, there's a reason he's gotten reclassified to diver. > > Kha - season 7 to now has a bruiser build kha mains go when they want to just play off W evo utility and are against full tank/bruiser comps. (warrior, tabis/mercs, duskblade, cleaver, Maw/GA , Deadman's/visage) > > Fizz - season 6 (onhit fizz top, and i think sunfire fizz was a thing at one point too before ekko proved he was better at it.) > > Ekko - season 6 (tankko) Few shacos did such, and most had no success. Triforce shaco hasnt been a thing for years, and he falls off a cliff in usefullness regardless of building tanky or not. Rengar still doesnt build bruiser, nor has he really ever. Kha is the same, no bruiser build. Your list isnt even a bruiser build. A cleaver and tabis does not a bruiser build make. Ill give you fizz. Its literally just fizz and ekko.
: Well im not going to go into detail about why the support goes bot but ill give the general layout. team needs adc, adc is weak early game needs a form of protection from ganks and to farm up and get strong safely. dragon is arguably one of the most important objectives in the early game, which is why having a majority of your team bot allows you to safe control that objective or contest it as opposed to if your support was top side and jg and ad and possibly mid would have to fight jg ad and support and possibly mid. You're not a next level strategist neither was nubrac stop trying to grief under the pretenses of "off meta".
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0000000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T19:36:28.472+0000) > > Well im not going to go into detail about why the support goes bot but ill give the general layout. > > team needs adc, adc is weak early game needs a form of protection from ganks and to farm up and get strong safely. > > dragon is arguably one of the most important objectives in the early game, which is why having a majority of your team bot allows you to safe control that objective or contest it as opposed to if your support was top side and jg and ad and possibly mid would have to fight jg ad and support and possibly mid. > > You're not a next level strategist neither was nubrac stop trying to grief under the pretenses of "off meta". Again, support does not go bot, ADC goes bot. Even in high level play, support is out of lane as often as it can reasonably be so to guard/ward river, roam for ganks, and give more EXP to ADC. Not to mention *bard literally is a thing that exists and is forced to not stay bot*
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T18:19:59.717+0000) > > Exactly as stated. No assassin other than ekko has ever had a meta build that was bruiser. That's literally just not true.
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=00020000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T18:24:05.663+0000) > > That's literally just not true. That is literally entirely true as of the addition of AD assassin items.
: You guys are weird holy shit! {{sticker:sg-ahri-3}}
> [{quoted}](name=Relax I am noob,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qa63TEIN,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2019-06-18T18:26:46.067+0000) > > You guys are weird holy shit! > {{sticker:sg-ahri-3}} No, ive just been on the internet long enough.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T13:39:18.979+0000) > > Good for everyone* > > Support is not the ADCs lapdog. Sir you do not understand the game to make that claim, because if you did you wouldnt be making that claim. You'd understand why support goes bot with their adc.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-18T18:44:06.805+0000) > > Sir you do not understand the game to make that claim, because if you did you wouldnt be making that claim. You'd understand why support goes bot with their adc. Support goes anywhere, not just bot. You dont know support.
: Nope, Garen likes {{champion:55}} . He is as straight as a needle
> [{quoted}](name=Relax I am noob,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qa63TEIN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-18T17:25:54.347+0000) > > Nope, Garen likes {{champion:55}} . He is as straight as a needle {{champion:99}} you mean? Kappa
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:23:34.579+0000) > > Your point that klepto is fine is "moot" my guy. Klepto is fine. Its a selfish rune built to accelerate builds, but provides no actual combat stats itself, boosting mid game power at the expense of actual fombat stats, causing you to lose power as the game goes on.
> [{quoted}](name=Jefftiffy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000006,timestamp=2019-06-18T17:10:17.228+0000) > > Factually wrong as the elixirs pop if your inventory is full and I have listed all the effects you get from having a full stack of elixirs up and most of them stack with the buyable elixir. All of which are worse than shop versions and provide minimul stats, as well as being fairly rare.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T13:31:10.574+0000) > > Very few assassins have been built bruser. Mostly ekko, ... What? A full list of champions who spent time being built as Bruisers because it was better for them: Shaco Ekko Evelynn Fizz Kha'Zix Master Yi Nocturne Rengar And that's over half of the assassin roster.
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T18:19:02.866+0000) > > ... What? Exactly as stated. No assassin other than ekko has ever had a meta build that was bruiser.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:23:34.579+0000) > > Your point that klepto is fine is "moot" my guy. Klepto is fine. Its a selfish rune built to accelerate builds, but provides no actual combat stats itself, boosting mid game power at the expense of actual fombat stats, causing you to lose power as the game goes on.
> [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:39:13.449+0000) > > Ghahaha, you're literally only using ezreal as an example of it. Done with this argument, you're not bringing anything useful to the table that would make klepto seem balanced on ranged champs abusing it. Ezreal is the ONLY ranged champion that CONSISTENTLY uses it. GP is melee, karma has other runes she runs as well.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:23:34.579+0000) > > Your point that klepto is fine is "moot" my guy. Klepto is fine. Its a selfish rune built to accelerate builds, but provides no actual combat stats itself, boosting mid game power at the expense of actual fombat stats, causing you to lose power as the game goes on.
> [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:37:17.275+0000) > > You're also acting as if it's balanced that Klepto loses power as the game progresses when there are already a bunch of other runes that have bad scaling such as electrocute, press the attack and so on. None of them lose power nearly as much as the game goes on. At 6 items, klepto literally provides you with nothing.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:23:34.579+0000) > > Your point that klepto is fine is "moot" my guy. Klepto is fine. Its a selfish rune built to accelerate builds, but provides no actual combat stats itself, boosting mid game power at the expense of actual fombat stats, causing you to lose power as the game goes on.
> [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:34:03.944+0000) > > Again, it's way too strong on ranged champs and it gives more than what you stated. It gives a lot of free lane sustain in potions, it gives free wards and also ability level-ups that can be huge for laning phase. Which, again, is all selfish stats to build an economy lead at the cost of actual combat stats. The only thing of value it truly gives is the level up, which is rare and generally only get 1 all game, if at all. And its not "too strong on ranged champs". The literal only reason ezreal takes it is because blue ezreals item build is utter garbage for an ADC, and you need tear asap to start stacking it. Ezreal invests heavily into dealing no damage early game.
: Your point that klepto is fine is "moot" my guy.
> [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:23:34.579+0000) > > Your point that klepto is fine is "moot" my guy. Klepto is fine. Its a selfish rune built to accelerate builds, but provides no actual combat stats itself, boosting mid game power at the expense of actual fombat stats, causing you to lose power as the game goes on.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:12:55.197+0000) > > Again, a dumb assertion. > > How much gold is heal on hit + movespeed worth? > > 10% true damage conversion, ad and healing? > > Free stronger ludens proc? > > On hit slow and better item slows? > > All of these arent worth 0 gold. I mean but you are forgetting the worth of end game being able to have an extra 150 hp + 25% tenacity + 15 AD and 10% lifesteal + 7.5 per 5 mana regen + tower poke damage + 25 AP + ward detection at an approximate 58% chance per AA. That's also not adding onto the fact that getting free potions to sustain you in lane is a really good tool when you are also generating extra gold. The more gold you have over your opponent early the more likely you are to win the game especially when you still receive a lot of benefits from said keystone late game. Basically the keystone has no downside other than picking it in a bad match up where you will never be able to AA someone or doing so is a poor decision which is extremely rare for most range champs.
> [{quoted}](name=Jefftiffy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:20:53.970+0000) > > I mean but you are forgetting the worth of end game being able to have an extra 150 hp + 25% tenacity + 15 AD and 10% lifesteal + 7.5 per 5 mana regen + tower poke damage + 25 AP + ward detection at an approximate 58% chance per AA. That's also not adding onto the fact that getting free potions to sustain you in lane is a really good tool when you are also generating extra gold. The more gold you have over your opponent early the more likely you are to win the game especially when you still receive a lot of benefits from said keystone late game. Basically the keystone has no downside other than picking it in a bad match up where you will never be able to AA someone or doing so is a poor decision which is extremely rare for most range champs. Again, other keystones dont do nothing, and kleptos value drops off hard the longer a game goes on, because the value of items gets lower the more items you have.
: I've never said they were worth 0 gold, and if you read my comment again you might figure that out.
> [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:15:20.268+0000) > > I've never said they were worth 0 gold, and if you read my comment again you might figure that out. Then your overall point that they cannot be compared this way is moot.
: Annoying interaction: Ezreal + sheen proc on missed Q
A basic attack never landed, thus the proc was never used.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zeyphel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GdWLuB5m,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:03:51.268+0000) > > Your statement makes no sense because that someone didn't help you to win the game and rather had more bad influence than positive influence in the game. Auto-attacking an enemy champion is a positive act. Being absent for the rest of the game is neutral. In total, this player contributed positively to the team. Would you be OK with the actions of that player?
> [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GdWLuB5m,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:07:52.651+0000) > > Auto-attacking an enemy champion is a positive act. Being absent for the rest of the game is neutral. In total, this player contributed positively to the team. Would you be OK with the actions of that player? That is literally not how that works and youre reaching really, really hard.
: It's not a stupid and absurd statement, it's literally what the keystone gives you and it's not comparable to the other keystones. Of course every keystone has it's own value and excels in certain games, but klepto gives way too much when abused.
> [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:06:06.379+0000) > > It's not a stupid and absurd statement, it's literally what the keystone gives you and it's not comparable to the other keystones. Of course every keystone has it's own value and excels in certain games, but klepto gives way too much when abused. Again, a dumb assertion. How much gold is heal on hit + movespeed worth? 10% true damage conversion, ad and healing? Free stronger ludens proc? On hit slow and better item slows? All of these arent worth 0 gold.
: Tell me one keystone that has the same amount of RNG as klepto, same amount of sustain it gives in lane + more than 2 kills worth of gold after laning phase all in one.
> [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:02:35.716+0000) > > Tell me one keystone that has the same amount of RNG as klepto, same amount of sustain it gives in lane + more than 2 kills worth of gold after laning phase all in one. None would be the exact same, thats a stupid and absurd statement. But dont pretend conq, fleet, electro, dh, glacial, et all dont have their own worth.
: Not comparable to keystones, jeez bring up a valid point.
> [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T15:47:37.071+0000) > > Not comparable to keystones, jeez bring up a valid point. .... Its LITERALLY a keystone. It is comparable to other keystones. Klepto gives you an actual, in game gold amount to spend on items. Other keystones give you effects which effectively give you a gold amount as well.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B8vpnwEv,comment-id=001200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T15:33:09.765+0000) > > Problem is LoL gets a patch every 2 weeks, and players hate change and prefer riot nerfs everything non meta that works as opposed to actually trying to see if the meta is even good anymore. > > Meta does not equate to most effective. Never has nor will it ever, simply due to lack of overall testing. Okay, I'm not here to break you free of denial. I've explained why you're wrong and the origins of the acronym and why it was still an appropriate definition. LoL being changed every 2 weeks does not change the definition of "meta gaming".
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B8vpnwEv,comment-id=0012000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T15:40:56.590+0000) > > Okay, I'm not here to break you free of denial. I've explained why you're wrong and the origins of the acronym and why it was still an appropriate definition. > > LoL being changed every 2 weeks does not change the definition of "meta gaming". The definition is wrong, and self imposed. It cannot claim to be the "most effective" as most other things often arent even attempted. Hell, the 1,1,1,2 meta has already been usurped numerous times and even edited. Theres nothing to even suggest its the most effective anymore. (And technically the meta is 1,1,1,1,support fucks off and gives as much exp to carry as possible anyways)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B8vpnwEv,comment-id=0012000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T14:54:54.008+0000) > > Meta is meta because its what most people do. Again, doesnt mean its the best, or even good. Which is why all off meta is and needs to be allowed, because theres zero proof that the meta is the best way to play, and theres nothing in client that prevents off meta. Before someone coined the acronym "most effective tactics available", "meta gaming" referred to "the game of playing the game". Or, finding out the optimal tactics for winning. It best shows in card games like Yugioh or Magic. Older cards get phased out of being powerful because newer cards do more. Blue Eyes White Dragon was the original powerhouse monster with 3000 ATK and 2500 DEF, matched only by the Ritual monster Black Luster Soldier. Now, we have Master Peace, who can become immune to monster effects, trap effects and/or spell effects while still boasting a solid 2950/2950. Older cards fell out of the meta because they were overshadowed by better, more effective cards or cards that simply had more support. It's the same thing in League, for the most part. Champions and items fall in and out of the meta as things change. Hence, "available" as part of the term. Tactics is simply a substitute term for "overall strategies". "Most Effective" is self explanitory. Part of those "overall strategies" is the 1-1-1-2 player spread where 2 is bot lane and the other 1's are top, mid and jungle. Does that mean a strategy with 2 players in a lane other than bot won't work? Hell no. Just that it's not tested to a place where it can work as a reliable niche strategy.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B8vpnwEv,comment-id=00120000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T15:17:42.617+0000) > > Before someone coined the acronym "most effective tactics available", "meta gaming" referred to "the game of playing the game". Or, finding out the optimal tactics for winning. It best shows in card games like Yugioh or Magic. Older cards get phased out of being powerful because newer cards do more. Blue Eyes White Dragon was the original powerhouse monster with 3000 ATK and 2500 DEF, matched only by the Ritual monster Black Luster Soldier. Now, we have Master Peace, who can become immune to monster effects, trap effects and/or spell effects while still boasting a solid 2950/2950. Older cards fell out of the meta because they were overshadowed by better, more effective cards or cards that simply had more support. > > It's the same thing in League, for the most part. Champions and items fall in and out of the meta as things change. Hence, "available" as part of the term. Tactics is simply a substitute term for "overall strategies". "Most Effective" is self explanitory. > > Part of those "overall strategies" is the 1-1-1-2 player spread where 2 is bot lane and the other 1's are top, mid and jungle. Does that mean a strategy with 2 players in a lane other than bot won't work? Hell no. Just that it's not tested to a place where it can work as a reliable niche strategy. Problem is LoL gets a patch every 2 weeks, and players hate change and prefer riot nerfs everything non meta that works as opposed to actually trying to see if the meta is even good anymore. Meta does not equate to most effective. Never has nor will it ever, simply due to lack of overall testing.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B8vpnwEv,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2019-06-17T15:11:25.045+0000) > > Meta is not "the most effective tactic available", its the generally precieved cookie cutter of what works. Theres no hard way to tell what the most effective thing is at all times. Unless someone actively plays AD soraka top, theres no actual way to tell if its good or dogshit, and under what circumstances. (AP on no AP ratio champions is a bit different, given AP doesnt enhance autos) The reason it best relates to "most effective tactic available" is because it's the tried and tested method against, well, everything else. Just because there's a specific counter to the most effective play does not mean it's as viable against less standard methods. A fringe strategy isn't going to be meta in any capacity unless tried repeatedly as a counter to specific tactics. At which point, it becomes an anti-meta meta. It's powerful against what usually comes up, but isn't super effective against most of the other stuff. It may not even hold its own against other stuff because of how fringe it could be.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B8vpnwEv,comment-id=001200000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T14:41:07.608+0000) > > The reason it best relates to "most effective tactic available" is because it's the tried and tested method against, well, everything else. Just because there's a specific counter to the most effective play does not mean it's as viable against less standard methods. > > A fringe strategy isn't going to be meta in any capacity unless tried repeatedly as a counter to specific tactics. At which point, it becomes an anti-meta meta. It's powerful against what usually comes up, but isn't super effective against most of the other stuff. It may not even hold its own against other stuff because of how fringe it could be. Meta is meta because its what most people do. Again, doesnt mean its the best, or even good. Which is why all off meta is and needs to be allowed, because theres zero proof that the meta is the best way to play, and theres nothing in client that prevents off meta.
: Daily Reminder Riot Is A Private Company and They Do Whatever They Want
Daily reminder that riot is a company selling a product, and thus legally cannot just do whatever they want.
: 1) People speculate about things all the time, there is no precedent set here just because I'm theorycrafting this comic cover. 2) That's where we disagree. 3) Irrelevant. I already said in my OP that I believe in different timelines, meaning Riot's lore and the Marvel lore. Whether they're the same or different does not matter, what matters is the intent in any lore/timeline that (from my point of view) Sylas is a rapist.
> [{quoted}](name=Toxic Skies,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rEQXn1eE,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T14:25:03.772+0000) > > 1) People speculate about things all the time, there is no precedent set here just because I'm theorycrafting this comic cover. > > 2) That's where we disagree. > > 3) Irrelevant. I already said in my OP that I believe in different timelines, meaning Riot's lore and the Marvel lore. Whether they're the same or different does not matter, what matters is the intent in any lore/timeline that (from my point of view) Sylas is a rapist. Sylas is a rapist whos never comitted rape. Makessense.
: If you're going to look at it from an abstract point of view ("the chains are symbolism") then, sure, my theory sounds crazy. Nevertheless, I'm looking at it from the literal and physical point of view, which I believe is the intention. I don't think League of Legends is a franchise that presents their content in an intellectual, cerebral way.
> [{quoted}](name=Toxic Skies,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rEQXn1eE,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-06-18T14:16:30.956+0000) > > If you're going to look at it from an abstract point of view ("the chains are symbolism") then, sure, my theory sounds crazy. Nevertheless, I'm looking at it from the literal and physical point of view, which I believe is the intention. I don't think League of Legends is a franchise that presents their content in an intellectual, cerebral way. 1) that is never the intention with cover pictures 2) that still wouldnt get to rape. 3) the comic was made by marvel iirc.
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Tahm kench has 280 base damage, 70% slow on a 4 second cooldown.
"throw you far away" he can literally only take like 3 steps eating an enemy
: Is Sylas a rapist?
I dont think you understand rape if you get rape from that cover, and not encroaching, binding chains restricting lux's actions, figuratively and possibly literally. One should assume that events involving the two would restrict lux in some way, be they chains of regret, restrictions of freedom, or literally being captive, by actions involving sylas. None of these suggest "lolrape".
: > [{quoted}](name=SpecterVonBaren,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=veYmlWPU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-18T01:27:30.704+0000) > > Not sure why you're downvoted, he legitimately sidestepped it. The angle makes it look like it's covering him but if you pause the video right when the ult starts dissipating then you can see the burn mark on the ground indicating where the ult hit and see that when it activated, he was to the side of it. > > This skin is also larger and more flashy than Lux's base ult so it makes it look like it should hit more than it does. So herein lies the issue. Nothing should be coded in such a way for visual effect that doesn't equal hit registry.
> [{quoted}](name=Leona Helmsley,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=veYmlWPU,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T13:20:15.480+0000) > > So herein lies the issue. Nothing should be coded in such a way for visual effect that doesn't equal hit registry. Problem is the game is not first person.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F49n1Zkp,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T19:33:38.525+0000) > > Why are you lying? > > "Being a good team player begins at champion select. Be open minded when considering the needs of your team. If you're the last one to pick, try to fill a niche in your team that hasn't already been filled. If everyone's picked and something stands out as a deficiency in your team composition, try asking for another player to fill the gap, or change roles to embrace that responsibility yourself." > > Again this is in the rules. Which has nothing to do with anything here, nor is it mandatory.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F49n1Zkp,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-06-17T20:24:51.903+0000) > > If your team is asking you to play a tanky cc and you say no and give a reason that's fine. > > > Like its not a suggestion YOU CAN ONLY GET A PUNISHMENT FOR BREAKING THE SUMMONER'S CODE. Like that's the rules of this game stop lying and GIVE A COUNTER POINT. > > Like all you said is NOPE that's not enforceable EVEN IF THAT'S IN THE RULES like why are you being so ignorant? If my team says to play tanky cc, and i say nothing and i dont its equally as fine.
Terozu (NA)
: If you're not proccing her passive, you're playing Lux wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KjXLUmBe,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-06-17T20:57:31.343+0000) > > If you're not proccing her passive, you're playing Lux wrong. Which means you landed a slow or snare. Her passive isnt exactly melee triggered.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-06-17T20:21:51.580+0000) > > Tanky means less damage. So he wont instantly die to being CCd, but he wont auto kill you once hes on you. > > The only person using the strawman of building tanky and still 3 shotting people is you. Yes, except for when tanky also means free attack speed/%health damage/true damage steroids on the kit. This is why so many assassins have been built as bruisers. When you give a champion easy access to that kind of damage, they build tanky and still wreck the floor with their opponents because their kit doesn't punish them from doing so. Look at bruiser Ekko, Fizz, _Yi_, Rengar, Kha'Zix... Yi has done this for a long time. Get Bloodrazor + one other offensive item (two if you're feeling bold) and then build pure defensive items afterward, which means you're building "full tank" after your initial damage items. > [{quoted}](name=Reformedfindlay,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-17T20:31:04.396+0000) > > Looks like OP's team had no magic dmg, so the GA + tabis + randuins (which youre right, doesnt even come near full or even half tank) made the yi insufferable to fight against. > > Game lost at champ select, OP should learn to threaten teammates with troll if they try to draft an all ad or all ap team We had a lot of magic damage, just no burst outside of my own, since I played AP Shaco, but building three items that exist to make sure you stay alive and can _tank damage_ kindof equates to being half-tank or "building full tank" after your initial damage items. Another Yi did this with a Black Cleaver awhile ago. Melee champions like Yi that have access to this kind of damage need to be gated in the kinds of items they're allowed to buy so they can't do this sort of thing where they have 3k hp and wipe the floor with not only your tanks but also all your DPS. Let's not forget meditate is an easy way to ignore magic burst.
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-17T21:35:23.649+0000) > > Yes, except for when tanky also means free attack speed/%health damage/true damage steroids on the kit. This is why so many assassins have been built as bruisers. When you give a champion easy access to that kind of damage, they build tanky and still wreck the floor with their opponents because their kit doesn't punish them from doing so. Look at bruiser Ekko, Fizz, _Yi_, Rengar, Kha'Zix... > > Yi has done this for a long time. Get Bloodrazor + one other offensive item (two if you're feeling bold) and then build pure defensive items afterward, which means you're building "full tank" after your initial damage items. > > We had a lot of magic damage, just no burst outside of my own, since I played AP Shaco, but building three items that exist to make sure you stay alive and can _tank damage_ kindof equates to being half-tank or "building full tank" after your initial damage items. > > Another Yi did this with a Black Cleaver awhile ago. Melee champions like Yi that have access to this kind of damage need to be gated in the kinds of items they're allowed to buy so they can't do this sort of thing where they have 3k hp and wipe the floor with not only your tanks but also all your DPS. > > Let's not forget meditate is an easy way to ignore magic burst. Very few assassins have been built bruser. Mostly ekko, who is a stretch as an assassin. And even then, he took 5 years to kill a squishy, he was just tanky as fuck with W and R complementing his tank stats. Yi building tank items lets him survive burst and a single CC. It also gives you 2-3 times the time or more to react and get him off your team.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-17T19:20:46.024+0000) > > Klepto is fine as-is. That explains why it is the most common pick on a lot of ranged top laners or melee tops that normally should be taking keystones to enforce their play style. Why the hell is {{champion:39}} taking it top lane and actually doing well with it? It shows you how much gold means and if you don't mess with this keystone for at least ranged champs it will never be balanced because {{champion:81}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:85}} are abusing it whenever it becomes strong. And the fact that {{champion:75}} is taking it when he is supposed to spike in the mid to late game shows you how busted getting an early gold advantage is especially when it comes with out random perks like 150 bonus hp and tenacity and extra 15 AD and 10% lifesteal or mana regen and AP on champs that traditionally have high AP ratios.
> [{quoted}](name=Jefftiffy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-17T22:46:32.144+0000) > > That explains why it is the most common pick on a lot of ranged top laners or melee tops that normally should be taking keystones to enforce their play style. Why the hell is {{champion:39}} taking it top lane and actually doing well with it? It shows you how much gold means and if you don't mess with this keystone for at least ranged champs it will never be balanced because {{champion:81}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:85}} are abusing it whenever it becomes strong. And the fact that {{champion:75}} is taking it when he is supposed to spike in the mid to late game shows you how busted getting an early gold advantage is especially when it comes with out random perks like 150 bonus hp and tenacity and extra 15 AD and 10% lifesteal or mana regen and AP on champs that traditionally have high AP ratios. Because it enhances their playstyle. Your claim it doesnt makes no sense. And nasus taking it doesnt make "no sense". Klepto is a mid game keystone, not a late game. The difference between 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 items is much larger than 4 and 5 or 5 and 6.
: Getting 600+ gold (2 kills) after laning phase, not to mention ability level-ups and free sustain is fine as-is? Sometimes it even goes up to 900+ gold, just proves how broken it is on ranged champions + the huge amount of RNG.
> [{quoted}](name=kapitulera på 15,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEbadxZL,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-06-17T22:58:30.565+0000) > > Getting 600+ gold (2 kills) after laning phase, not to mention ability level-ups and free sustain is fine as-is? Sometimes it even goes up to 900+ gold, just proves how broken it is on ranged champions + the huge amount of RNG. Do you think other keystones are worth 0 gold?
Jamser20 (NA)
: I disagree, I believe the riot employee should be punished NB3 reached out to them and pushed them to ban Nubrac. Theres images where NB3 messages the riot employee "pressuring" them to ban Nubrac when his contact with riot is a person who is supposed to just manager of streamers not the person who bans players. There is no reason he should have the ability to message a riot employee and get enhanced treatment like getting someone banned. The riot employee states they will look into it. But if they had looked into it they would have seen that teemo didnt troll he wasnt stealing farm he wasnt afk he wasnt running it down mid. He was pressuring the mid laner to block CS and getting the mid laner fed. within the first 2 minutes he had already gotten the mid laner a kill wasted tops teleport and right after that NB3 starts telling him off in all caps. After he just got a kill and wasted there teleport. Instead of complaining NB3 could have used that chance to gank the top laner and waste a lot more time since he just wasted teleport for nothing. Instead he complains and afks while acting like a 12 year old "i know a riot employee and gunna get you a vacation." In what world should a streamer have that kind of power. Your not a riot employee you dont decide who gets banned and who does not. I believe the riot employee should get retrained before gaining any of their power back and taught that this is definately not ok. NB3 should not think he has the right to message an employee to get someone banned there is a report option for that... The average player cannot send a message to a Riot Employee to get someone banned so why can he. I also believe this situation has more information we probably do not know. I believe riot needs to release the information on this situation and explain everything that happened the exact reason for the ban the reason nightblue has not been punished for afking and toxicity. This situation won't just go away the people want to know what really is going on here is it streamer favoritism or not. Explain what reasons they had for banning Nubrac. Also it shows he was only banned for what happened in 1 single game. The only one he was with NB3 for so in my eyes this definately seems wrong. (im terrible at writing just ignore my bad grammer.)
> [{quoted}](name=Jamser20,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gy1Agj5M,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2019-06-18T03:49:16.154+0000) > > I disagree, I believe the riot employee should be punished NB3 reached out to them and pushed them to ban Nubrac. Theres images where NB3 messages the riot employee "pressuring" them to ban Nubrac when his contact with riot is a person who is supposed to just manager of streamers not the person who bans players. There is no reason he should have the ability to message a riot employee and get enhanced treatment like getting someone banned. The riot employee states they will look into it. But if they had looked into it they would have seen that teemo didnt troll he wasnt stealing farm he wasnt afk he wasnt running it down mid. He was pressuring the mid laner to block CS and getting the mid laner fed. within the first 2 minutes he had already gotten the mid laner a kill wasted tops teleport and right after that NB3 starts telling him off in all caps. After he just got a kill and wasted there teleport. Instead of complaining NB3 could have used that chance to gank the top laner and waste a lot more time since he just wasted teleport for nothing. Instead he complains and afks while acting like a 12 year old "i know a riot employee and gunna get you a vacation." In what world should a streamer have that kind of power. Your not a riot employee you dont decide who gets banned and who does not. I believe the riot employee should get retrained before gaining any of their power back and taught that this is definately not ok. NB3 should not think he has the right to message an employee to get someone banned there is a report option for that... The average player cannot send a message to a Riot Employee to get someone banned so why can he. I also believe this situation has more information we probably do not know. I believe riot needs to release the information on this situation and explain everything that happened the exact reason for the ban the reason nightblue has not been punished for afking and toxicity. This situation won't just go away the people want to know what really is going on here is it streamer favoritism or not. Explain what reasons they had for banning Nubrac. Also it shows he was only banned for what happened in 1 single game. The only one he was with NB3 for so in my eyes this definately seems wrong. (im terrible at writing just ignore my bad grammer.) ? The average person can message a rioter on discord or file a support ticket. And its as you claimed, the rioter in question doesnt have the authority to ban, so clearly, they werent the ones who made the call.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-17T19:22:50.998+0000) > > Hes a melee champion, theres no reason he shouldnt build tanky. > > Defensive items are inherently superior to offensive ones, because a dead champion deals 0 damage. You're right. Melee AD carries should be allowed to build tanky and murder anything that comes close. _What, no. That's ridiculous._
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q5bm4saK,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-17T19:52:28.082+0000) > > You're right. Melee AD carries should be allowed to build tanky and murder anything that comes close. > > _What, no. That's ridiculous._ Tanky means less damage. So he wont instantly die to being CCd, but he wont auto kill you once hes on you. The only person using the strawman of building tanky and still 3 shotting people is you.
: Master Yi should not be able to build %health damage items and then go full tank.
Hes a melee champion, theres no reason he shouldnt build tanky. Defensive items are inherently superior to offensive ones, because a dead champion deals 0 damage.
: Kleptomancy is a cool design and all
catchick (NA)
: People wouldn't be playing her support if it wasn't for Aftershock, though.
> [{quoted}](name=catchick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KjXLUmBe,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-17T15:52:46.428+0000) > > People wouldn't be playing her support if it wasn't for Aftershock, though. I still dont get why people think aftershock is good on lux.... If youre being hit, youre playing lux wrong.
Zezilian (EUNE)
: Waiting for Zilean's new skin and buff too. Zilean hasn't been touched since release, only got multiple indirect nerfs.
> [{quoted}](name=Zezilian,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=usyj7IWW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-17T19:01:35.098+0000) > > Waiting for Zilean's new skin and buff too. Zilean hasn't been touched since release, only got multiple indirect nerfs. Zilean got a rework a few years ago.
: Make frozen gauntlet melee only please?
Neither ezreal nor karma are issues with the item.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iY8PnQ9U,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T16:23:51.481+0000) > > Yes, they do, as this is a high profile case in which we, as a community, are calling riot out over a potentially unjust ban, and are demanding they clarify their rules. Same thing happens when a police officer is accused of using unjust force. Not all police stops are publicized, but there are still high profile cases that are. i thought a rioter made clear what happened, and their justification. remember that time with the support singed? the teemo broke the same rules whilst targetting specific people, according to riot ofcourse, which imo is worse than that singed who did it indiscriminately every game. this ban was definitly not unjustified, especially if its only 1/2week ban.
> [{quoted}](name=Lazy Grandpa,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iY8PnQ9U,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T16:51:41.279+0000) > > i thought a rioter made clear what happened, and their justification. remember that time with the support singed? the teemo broke the same rules whilst targetting specific people, according to riot ofcourse, which imo is worse than that singed who did it indiscriminately every game. this ban was definitly not unjustified, especially if its only 1/2week ban. Riot has given their reasoning, not their evidence, as there is searchable evidence that claims the contrary. The support singed ban was overturned, as was their statement on it, given the massive community backlash and the statement "its fine as long as you ask and let them know" was honestly a fucking idiotic statement. If you dont need to ask to play meta, you dont need to ask to play off meta.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iY8PnQ9U,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T15:28:11.417+0000) > > While i personally agree with this, that is the claim riot made, and as i stated, they now need to prove it. Was moreso a call for their evidence than anything. no they don't, in what universe does a company have to justify themselves infront of the community when this has zero relations with any of us? who the hell do you think you are xD are you gonna speak up for every other banned person ever innocent or otherwise? do you think riot should just give us a weekly list of every single banned ign in the game with time, date, reason, report statistics and whatever else you can think of? besides everyone knows all streamers have atleast 10 accounts, so this is all literaly meaningless, dude probrably didn't even get perma'd, he lost nothing, chances are the teemo actually gets twice as many viewers as before, pity viewers for example.
> [{quoted}](name=Lazy Grandpa,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iY8PnQ9U,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T16:11:29.717+0000) > > no they don't, in what universe does a company have to justify themselves infront of the community when this has zero relations with any of us? > who the hell do you think you are xD are you gonna speak up for every other banned person ever innocent or otherwise? > > do you think riot should just give us a weekly list of every single banned ign in the game with time, date, reason, report statistics and whatever else you can think of? > > besides everyone knows all streamers have atleast 10 accounts, so this is all literaly meaningless, dude probrably didn't even get perma'd, he lost nothing, chances are the teemo actually gets twice as many viewers as before, pity viewers for example. Yes, they do, as this is a high profile case in which we, as a community, are calling riot out over a potentially unjust ban, and are demanding they clarify their rules. Same thing happens when a police officer is accused of using unjust force. Not all police stops are publicized, but there are still high profile cases that are.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iY8PnQ9U,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-17T14:53:20.790+0000) > > The company is at fault for their stance on the issue if he was banned because of his teemo support mid. > > Supposedly it was because he supposedly only does it with certain other streamers in game, which needs to be proven. > > The rioter in question didnt do anything wrong per say; you can submit ticket requests in or approach rioters in the player bahavior aspect on discord to report things. Its a thing anyone is allowed to do. Investigating the incident likely wouldnt pull up chat logs of nb3 or his actions. That's the point RIOT cant prove that he only does this when he has streamers on his team. Cause he doesn't. Easy to look into like I did. Go look at Nubracs match history and u will see that he playes Leona support or amumu jungle just as much as teemo support with other streamers. There is no "pattern" of picking teemo support when he has a streamer with him.
> [{quoted}](name=Romans VI XXIII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iY8PnQ9U,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-17T15:25:41.169+0000) > > That's the point RIOT cant prove that he only does this when he has streamers on his team. Cause he doesn't. Easy to look into like I did. Go look at Nubracs match history and u will see that he playes Leona support or amumu jungle just as much as teemo support with other streamers. There is no "pattern" of picking teemo support when he has a streamer with him. While i personally agree with this, that is the claim riot made, and as i stated, they now need to prove it. Was moreso a call for their evidence than anything.
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