: > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=000d00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-04T23:33:49.400+0000) > > What would be good ... and I try to do this as well ... take a mental, physical and time inventory before I click play. If I think I'm not going to be able to keep it together, I don't start. > > That said, if someone tuckers out during a game, I'm not going to be upset unless they add "meh, it's just <any mode>, so it doesn't matter". If they said ... "I'm sorry, I'm just not on my game" or "Dang, I didn't think I was this tired" at least acknowledge they goofed in starting. When they say it isn't important because it isn't ranked, that is just rubbing the rest of their teams nose in it. Translation: "You might care about this mode, but I don't so stuff it." That is being a sociopath. Yeah but that's just you, you cant really force them to do things, you can only point things out normally and that's all you can do.
Of course I can't force them to change ... that is a given. But if we (in this, I mean everyone) just sit back and ignore things, there is nothing to stop this from being standard behavior all the time. Pointing it out, saying it can at least have some impact on those that aren't sociopaths.
: good luck with that........
If I can get even one person do what is right, I'm happy. :D
Moçhí (NA)
: All I can really say is that you can't control other people. Sometimes I don't play perfectly (ok most of the time) but I try to have as much fun as I can because it is a game. No one can tell someone else to not go apc Teemo bot. Hell, it may even work out very well. You can't control other people. You can whine or you can buck up and do your best c:
I'm not going to complain when someone does something slightly off meta (APC teemo bot does actually work if it is done right). I'm not going to complain if someone is doing their level best no matter what (win or loose). I only complain when people don't try their best and make the excuse "it is only <whatever mode>"
: I think the level of seriousness of all games should be "I am trying to win my game" however how far that seriousness leads is really up to the player. I like to have fun when I play no matter what mode I'm playing, however, I'll chat up about random things more in like ARAM and role play my champ and be goofy but in ranked I keep it ISB mode and I don't really type things out unless necessary like "I think they're doing baron" or like asking for some people to help out with wards because I've got all of mine down and we need more coverage. EDIT: and that even includes unconventional builds. They're trying to win the game with an unconventional build? I'm OK with it, but just really try to be winning. Don't say it but in your heart and through your actions, intentionally lose.
I've done an unconventional build if I think the team needs it (ad teemo if we don't have an adc for instance) I'll let the team know what I'm doing as well ... "We don't have any AD champions ... I'm going to go AD on hit with Teemo" to make sure they understand. While Twisted Fate in ARAM is almost always done as AP, I've done him AD/AS and done well. I suppose my whole point is that I don't ever play just for myself. I always play for the team.
: > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-04T02:41:52.383+0000) > > I am not, and have said I am not, saying that if someone does poorly that I&#x27;m upset. I&#x27;m saying that if someone starts with not caring, that is bad. I don&#x27;t start a game unless I know I am planning on playing my best. I don&#x27;t start if I&#x27;m really tired, I don&#x27;t start if I know I&#x27;m sluggish from taking anti-histamines (when allergies are hitting real hard). > > I&#x27;m not playing just for me ever. I play for the team ... always. It is what I&#x27;d want someone else to do, so it is what I do. Am I there to have fun? Yes. But I don&#x27;t play team games unless I&#x27;m there to play my best. I understand your attitude but when someone is mentally exhausted and just really tilted and dont even feel like playing anymore they give up. The problem is I usually would let it run till it seems like they actually are so tilted that they cant even play, then I click the yes button of ffs
What would be good ... and I try to do this as well ... take a mental, physical and time inventory before I click play. If I think I'm not going to be able to keep it together, I don't start. That said, if someone tuckers out during a game, I'm not going to be upset unless they add "meh, it's just <any mode>, so it doesn't matter". If they said ... "I'm sorry, I'm just not on my game" or "Dang, I didn't think I was this tired" at least acknowledge they goofed in starting. When they say it isn't important because it isn't ranked, that is just rubbing the rest of their teams nose in it. Translation: "You might care about this mode, but I don't so stuff it." That is being a sociopath.
: not like i can change that, your asking for something that not even world leaders could do
This is where I say: "But you can make sure you act with courtesy and do what you want others to do" Sure, you can't change the whole world, but like some have said, the only person *I* can change is me ... though I think I can at least be a voice for change.
: 1. the world is a painful place 2. not what i meant but ok.... 3. i never knew riot had the power to do that........
Okay, but do you really *want* the world to be painful, people to be selfish and not care about others?
: > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2017-05-03T08:26:38.639+0000) > > I&#x27;m not saying it is trolling ... that is far worse. But not doing your best is far less than courteous. It isn&#x27;t doing what you would want if the position was reversed. Do you expect people to be on top of their game all the time? That would just create more situations where you're leaning towards being toxic if someone does bad. You gotta relax man
I am not, and have said I am not, saying that if someone does poorly that I'm upset. I'm saying that if someone starts with not caring, that is bad. I don't start a game unless I know I am planning on playing my best. I don't start if I'm really tired, I don't start if I know I'm sluggish from taking anti-histamines (when allergies are hitting real hard). I'm not playing just for me ever. I play for the team ... always. It is what I'd want someone else to do, so it is what I do. Am I there to have fun? Yes. But I don't play team games unless I'm there to play my best.
: everyone does end up around 50% in aram (except maybe the top 1% or so). when i checked you actually didnt win 17 of your last 20, but its you did go 20-13 over your last 33 games. which is pretty good but then your aram mmr is in the bottom 8% of all players so maybe not that impressive. winstreaks happen all the time but each one will be answered by a losing streak. it is just a fact that when you reach your correct mmr your win rate will settle at 50%. you can see your aram mmr at https://na.whatismymmr.com/plasma%20servant
I just checked yet again ... won 17 out of the last 20. I'm not sure where you are looking .... Okay, now I am positive that not all data is generated off site ... I just looked at LOLKING, and it misses two games between heimer on 05/01 and leona on 4/30 ... a win with Cait, and a loss with Sej; it then doesn't have any of the rest of the games back to the only other defeat in the last 20 on 4/30 (yes, I play that much ... the last 8 were all on 4/30). I take it this is a smurf account? Level 11 ... In any case, I sent you a friend request explicitly so you'd be able to see my history.
: everyone does end up around 50% in aram (except maybe the top 1% or so). when i checked you actually didnt win 17 of your last 20, but its you did go 20-13 over your last 33 games. which is pretty good but then your aram mmr is in the bottom 8% of all players so maybe not that impressive. winstreaks happen all the time but each one will be answered by a losing streak. it is just a fact that when you reach your correct mmr your win rate will settle at 50%. you can see your aram mmr at https://na.whatismymmr.com/plasma%20servant
I just checked yet again ... won 17 out of the last 20. I'm not sure where you are looking .... Okay, now I am positive that not all data is generated off site ... I just looked at LOLKING, and it misses two games between heimer on 05/01 and leona on 4/30 ... a win with Cait, and a loss with Sej; it then doesn't have any of the rest of the games back to the only other defeat in the last 20 on 4/30 (yes, I play that much ... the last 8 were all on 4/30).
: Lol ya ok harassing others to play the game your way dude peace I don't like you anymore I agreeded with you in some things but you just harras everyone peace and I'm taking my upvotes too
I'm not harassing *anyone* ... I am rather opinionated, and I tend to call foul when people state what is clearly not what I'm seeing. But I don't harass. At least I never intend to. It might be when someone is telling me what I know isn't true, I push hard.
: You can try to have fun and that's not trolling. But if you're just trying to lose, then you're just trolling
I'm not saying it is trolling ... that is far worse. But not doing your best is far less than courteous. It isn't doing what you would want if the position was reversed.
Moçhí (NA)
: This isn't your game, you didn't make it and you don't make the rules for it. It's free to play for all. They can play however they want. Stick to bot games, stick to normals, try and raise their rank to reach their goal. They can play any champion in any role for the first time or the millionth time. It's their choice, that's how they want to enjoy League of Legends. If you're not looking to have fun, maybe playing video games online with random people isn't for you :c
And if people that think aram is the important mode, and go into ranked and play the same way that people that play ranked as serious and aram as not serious, you'd be perfectly okay with that ... they would be doing it just to have fun. Turn around what you said and invert it 180 degrees and if that is fine, then sure ... you don't care if someone goes into a ranked game and plays for fun and: > They can play any champion in any role for the first time or the millionth time. It's their choice, that's how they want to enjoy League of Legends. Of course if you don't agree, than I'm calling bull. You want others to change how they play based on where they play, and want to hold them accountable, but you don't want to be held to the same standard. Of course if you don't care, then fine.
Shadòw (EUW)
: the thing is that you gain nothing from a win in ARAM
And nobody gains anything from ranked either ... unless of course they **are** professional and are earning a living by playing league. Your rank gains you nothing. You don't get anything from it.
: you are mistaken. matchmaking is a thing in every game type
yeah, and I just won 17 out of the last 20 games .... one of the losses was because of an afk. You can't establish player skill if they are solo playing on a 5 man team by looking at win/loss rates. The probability of my winning 17 out of 20 with teams made exclusively of players at my skill level is near zero. Every individual should have near 50% win rate if it was true, and a winning streak would be rare beyond belief (every game would have at least some dependency on prior games as each win would have some small adjustment upward and make continued wins even less likely. Queue times would tend to be long, and you wouldn't see huge differences in skills within a team. Doesn't work that way in aram.
: So yeah... the whole point of a video game is so everyone can have fun playing it. Full on tryhard isn't fun for everyone, nor is only ever focusing on winning. For some people, having fun is doing things that are off meta, or doing dumb things in game. Just because you don't agree with the attitude doesn't make it wrong. The only game mode in this game that should be serious/tryhard is ranked. ARAM is a fun game mode. Winning gains you nothing. Same with normals. People get to live their lives the way they choose to and for you to be telling someone else how they should be living their life is completely unnacceptable. Get over yourself, take a step back, and look at reality for what it really is. You're never going to get people to change who they are. The only thing YOU can change is YOUR attitude.
Which is why there are custom modes and training (or even coop vs ai). I'm sorry, but if you want others to play full tryhard in ranked, you need to do for others as you want them to do for you.
: you may not care but people who play that game mode do and ranked is unique to any other game mode because it has ranks so you really can not go into a ranked game saying "eh" meanwhile in any other you can defenitly go "eh" if you want because there is no rank to deal with
A different perspective is that ranked is a joke. It means nothing. I don't play ranked, because I think it is a joke. I do that because it **isn't serious at all to me.** I do that out of respect for those that do play ranked. **They should have the same respect for others that play aram.** It's called the golden rule ... do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
: believe it or not that is the norm you are apparently a special case meanwhile the rest of the world is how i had just explained it.
So what you are saying is that people don't care about others, or what they might want? Perhaps you are right ... the norm is just selfish individuals that don't give a rip about anyone other than themselves. Perhaps people aren't taught any more than acting that way is rude and need to grow up. Is that what you mean? If so, then shouldn't they get spanked and sent to bed without their dinner. LOL
: You must be fun at parties
Given that I *always* think about others 1st, yes. Think of others as more important than yourself ... everywhere. It works.
: > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-04-29T16:08:31.817+0000) > I don&#x27;t complain about someone that just isn&#x27;t good at aram going into aram. > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEQAGXWd,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-04-17T07:53:46.851+0000) Played a game on a team with a platinum on it ... he was so unskilled for aram it was pathetic. I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to defend aside from your own honor and viewpoints in these threads. Every other post is contradicting one another. You've given very little to reasonable discussion and every thread is a "my way or the highway, downvote you're wrong" sort of tone while neglecting actual arguments and facts presented before you. The Boards are a place for open discussion, not a place to for someone to bash others and force your own beliefs down everyone's throat with arguments that are entirely one-sided. This is why it's known as a community, and why things such as "ggez" are frowned upon - the community decided it wasn't what they wanted in their games and majority ruled in that aspect. The same with everyone telling you that they play for fun - if 99% of players play for fun and 1% play for "epic ARAM battles tryhards only," which do you think would be catered to?
Well, out of the last 20 games, I've won 17 of them. Just playing a different time of day for the most part. LOL Your precious "MMR" doesn't seem to really say anything about ability at least as far as I can tell. Either that, or I just got a whole lot better overnight. Or, maybe, just maybe ... things don't work the way you think they do. Is that a possible conclusion?
: I don't think you get it. I'm saying there are people that will play only a certain mode ... they don't care about any other mode. If you play in *any* mode without playing as well as you can, you are hurting your team. You (if you play ranked) wouldn't like it if they did that in ranked, so don't do it in someone else's favorite mode.
wow, just wow. How does someone *down vote* that post? > I'm saying there are people that will play only a certain mode ... they don't care about any other mode. That is just a statement of fact. > If you play in any mode without playing as well as you can, you are hurting your team. Another statement of fact. > You (if you play ranked) wouldn't like it if they did that in ranked, so don't do it in someone else's favorite mode. "The golden rule" That is just absurd.
deoje299 (NA)
: But isn't ranked the mode that is meant to be competitive and taken more seriously?
Not if you are one of the people that treat ranked as a sad joke by riot on the people that play.
: if you don't intend to play seriously
I'm really surprised. I suppose I shouldn't be. But what I've said is do your best for your team in every case. That is what sportsmanship is. It seems that sportsmanship isn't something that anyone is taught by their parents any more. I pity you.
: so im suppose to take urf to a competitive style aswell?
Why not? It isn't like there aren't 4 other people on your team that if you aren't dragging down. Just because you don't care doesn't mean everyone else on your team doesn't care. Just *always* do your best.
: nah matchmaking takes care of that. if you don't play hard then your matchmaking rating drops until you are still an equal player to who you get matched with even without trying.
No, it doesn't. If people tend to play only aram, they are going to win maybe 60% of their games because they see people of all ranks and abilities in the team. It may even be what riot claims, but I doubt it ... play solo in aram and you get thrown in with anyone and everyone. I've been told that is why the queue time is so much lower. If it isn't that you get thrown in with anyone, it must be the single most popular mode (other than coop vs ai) because it has the absolute lowest queue times other than the weekend specials.
: lol. its a video game kid. not everyone is going to be super serious in a video game. nor should they be
I don't mind that, just don't treat one mode as more important than another.
: > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=000000000000000000010002,timestamp=2017-04-29T15:28:57.733+0000) > > You again? I own every champion. I wish there was a way I could show you. Don&#x27;t spread rumors and/or lies. There's a reason all of your threads have been downvoted and a reason I quoted exactly what you're accusing me of. It's rather comical at this point, in all honesty. These are the things you're (trying) to do here in the community in a very obvious way, and likely why you've gained so much negative attention in your threads: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
You're the one that said I probably have an aram only account. I can prove otherwise.
: #If you intent to play seriously, play soloQ Don't ruin our fun in normals with your tryharding BS.
lol ... I don't go into a game unless I am trying to win. Don't ruin anyone else's fun by not doing your best in their playground.
Shadòw (EUW)
: ah you are one of these guys who goes full tryhard in ARAM. i hate people like you
And I hate when someone goes less than full try hard in aram. Don't hate you ... just hate the hypocrisy (if you hate people that don't go full try hard in your "important" mode).
: > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-04-29T16:08:31.817+0000) > I don&#x27;t complain about someone that just isn&#x27;t good at aram going into aram. > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEQAGXWd,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-04-17T07:53:46.851+0000) Played a game on a team with a platinum on it ... he was so unskilled for aram it was pathetic. I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to defend aside from your own honor and viewpoints in these threads. Every other post is contradicting one another. You've given very little to reasonable discussion and every thread is a "my way or the highway, downvote you're wrong" sort of tone while neglecting actual arguments and facts presented before you. The Boards are a place for open discussion, not a place to for someone to bash others and force your own beliefs down everyone's throat with arguments that are entirely one-sided. This is why it's known as a community, and why things such as "ggez" are frowned upon - the community decided it wasn't what they wanted in their games and majority ruled in that aspect. The same with everyone telling you that they play for fun - if 99% of players play for fun and 1% play for "epic ARAM battles tryhards only," which do you think would be catered to?
> Every other post is contradicting one another. Only in your mind. You come at it from a different viewpoint, and refuse to try to see what I'm saying. The main point I've been saying here is that treat those who play another mode with the same fervor that you play ranked (not you personally, everyone) the way you want to be treated in ranked. Do you get that?
: no bc if i go into you aram and i went "eh" you dont get de-ranked you lose and move on meanwhile you walk into someones ranked and go "eh" you lose you get bronze 5 and your team gets de-ranked then you move on so no not the same.
I don't care about rank. It means nothing. It is only to stroke your ego, unless you are pro and would get kicked off your team if you drop a rank.
: um no bc ranked is where anyone would go to win meanwhile every other game mode is there to PLAY if you win that is an added bonus
Um no bc aram is where anyone would go to win meanwhile every other game mode (i.e., ranked) is there to PLAY if you win that is an added bonus if you don't like the way that sounds, then don't do to others what you don't want done to you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-04-29T15:22:48.936+0000) > > If you play all modes the same, I don&#x27;t care. Just don&#x27;t say &quot;it&#x27;s only ....&quot; as an excuse for not doing your best. If you are playing on a team, play for the team ... if you aren&#x27;t playing to have fun as a team, go do Call of Duty. LOL thats ridiculous. its only normal. i can play jungle janna all i want in normal. thats what its there for. im not gonna play jungle janna in ranked.
Then if someone does what you do with ranked, and says "it's only ranked" you don't care. "thats rediculous. its only ranked. I can play jungle janna all I want in ranked. thats what its there for. im not gonna play jungle janna in aram
: > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-04-29T15:22:48.936+0000) > > If you play all modes the same, I don&#x27;t care. Just don&#x27;t say &quot;it&#x27;s only ....&quot; as an excuse for not doing your best. If you are playing on a team, play for the team ... if you aren&#x27;t playing to have fun as a team, go do Call of Duty. LOL thats ridiculous. its only normal. i can play jungle janna all i want in normal. thats what its there for. im not gonna play jungle janna in ranked.
Then if someone does what you do with ranked, and says "it's only ranked" you don't care.
: you say that about a game with thousands trolls in it those trolls will not play to have fun as a team. and then we to the "team" your talking about a bunch of random people with different agendas so to have fun as a team is more or less impossible someone of your "team" will not have fun so you will never have fun as a team
I don't believe that. I've been on a team where everyone knows me, and I know them. we play together and we have a common goal: playing our best win or lose. That is what a team sport is about.
: So, just for future reference OP, posting the same topic multiple times without any open room for discussion (especially in PB&M) isn't something looked well upon. You're essentially forcing people to side with your point with your statement of "agree with the post." Your previous topic was nearly the same gist of this, and you contradicted yourself multiple times while ignoring everyone that gave you references/sources to their valid information. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AEQAGXWd-aram-ive-seen-platinum-ranked-that-such-big-time-because-they-cant-get-the-play-right?comment=00090000 > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-04-29T13:33:18.237+0000) > >Because there *are* people who are serious about aram, and you ruin it for them when you don't play seriously. > [{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEQAGXWd,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-04-20T03:31:04.739+0000) > All of league is a game. If you take *any* of it seriously, that is a joke. For this post, I have to ask, what if someone takes Co-Op vs. AI seriously? How about Featured game modes? Is there an "ARAM and Chill" queue for me and a "Serious Only ARAM" queue for you? What about the middle ground - "I Want to Win but also Have Fun" queue? I understand your frustration and definitely empathize with you, as it's incredibly demoralizing to have someone intentionally tilt themselves (and likely teammates) or throw the game because they don't care when others do, however that's what the report system is for. This sort of topic has been discussed countless times on the Boards, and is rarely productive. See: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/WlHRzKAX-its-only-statements?comment=000000000001 > [{quoted}](name=Wuks,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WlHRzKAX,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-04-28T04:18:10.257+0000) > > It&#x27;s the equivalent of saying &quot;Get off my ass. I&#x27;m trying my best.&quot; It doesn&#x27;t mean I want to lose, don&#x27;t care about winning, or want to surrender. When you're queued up, you're matched against similar MMR individuals. Aside from the few trolls and griefers, nobody is playing to lose. Very rarely (if ever) does someone push "Play" with the intention of "Hmm, I think I'll lose this game." It's not a healthy mindset to have - what is healthy is doing your best to learn from that situation and grow as both a player and person to accomplish the goal you set out to do. If someone saying "It's only ARAM" it's the worst thing about your day, I'm willing to wager you had a pretty good day overall then. Ranked is by far and away the competitive mode for League of Legends - it's always been that way and likely always will. Similar to how six-man football isn't nearly as popular as the NFL. You can grind up the ranked ladder and make a career out of it if you so choose, potentially joining an LCS/CS team or streaming and educating your viewers on how to improve. The same can't be said about ARAM's/Normals, as the viewership is MUCH lower and there is little to no mass-broadcast events. Sure, here and there you'll find pro players in ARAM tournaments for fun (such as Fire vs. Ice), however remember the key word of "fun." There's no massive prize pool for them and it's a side event to the main stage of Ranked/Tournament play. Also, ARAM is **random** meaning you aren't able to choose your champion. This destroys any competitive integrity of a sport. Imagine in football if every play a random person was put at quarterback. Not everyone would be Tom Brady (or any other big-name QB) and you'd occasionally have individuals that have little to no experience throwing the ball placed into the position. As nice as it would be to have a star quarterback throwing the ball and a wide receiver able to catch even the most ridiculous of throws, it's simply not viable due to the random factor. I agree, everyone should have *some* experience, however isn't that what ARAMs and Normals are for - practicing? If not, then where else is someone able to practice against someone of a similar skill level? If you go into Co-Op vs. AI against Intermediate bots, you can easily exploit their behavior while learning nothing, going 100/0 every time. I can easily queue up as Gangplank and watch them walk into my Barrels all day, while a player would NEVER run such a risk. You can go into the Practice Tool to try out some sweet combos and new item paths, however it gives you little to no experience vs. an educated player - someone that understands once you've thrown your Blitzcrank Hook that you have 20-16 seconds (before CDR) before you're able to throw it out again. Bots only take someone so far, and eventually you'll have to step into the arena against other players. This is where MMR comes into play and you'll likely find individuals aren't as good as you'd like to think on some champions. Maybe it's someone who has only played Riven a handful of times and doesn't understand her animation-canceling, while you're an experienced veteran at it with every skin and mastery emote to match. It's going to be hard for you to sit idly by and watch them fail combos all the time, but you must understand that they likely don't have the same prowess as you if it's your main. On the flip-side, imagine if that person is an ADC veteran and has the mechanics of Gosu and has to watch you Tumble into every hook as Vayne or jump into the team on accident as Kalista. They're likely going to be frustrated watching it happen, however they have to understand that you are the one learning. Yes, you'll get the occasional person that ends up on their main and outshines the rest in ARAM, however it's **random** and is not guaranteed. A Mastery 7 Draven will likely bully out my Mastery 1 ADC and destroy half of the team with his raw damage and kiting abilities. If that person steps on to Dr. Mundo and gets destroyed because they over-estimate their damage and tanking ability early-game, that's a learning experience for them. They can take it as seriously as they want, but at the end of the day it's up to the player to determine what they're going to gain out of each game. TL;DR: Every game is a learning experience for everyone. Some people choose Ranked, some people choose Normals, and some of us choose ARAM. There's going to be a large portion of players in every branch that plays the game because they enjoy it. Whether or not they take it seriously and let it affect their lives in a negative way is up to how they perceive it. If you're going to be upset at someone for having fun at a game that has no effect on their lives, that's entirely up to you and the decisions you make. Most of us don't make a career out of this and LP/ELO/MMR is just a number in the background to boost our egos. If a professional team told you "THOU SHALT BE CHALLENGER OR YOU WILL BE DROPPED" then it would actually have a large effect on your life, and you may have some ground to stand on. If you're not in that situation, you're not likely to encounter other players that have a similar mentality nor are any of the wins or losses going to change your life. We all come from different backgrounds and have different skill-sets, not everyone is going to be mechanically perfect every time. You can't change anyone other than yourself.
Okay, read. The prior post was about ranked not being an indicator of skill in aram. This is about if you are in a mode, take that as seriously as any other. You aren't stupid. Stop acting like it. My "take it seriously" is meant (if you read the context) to counter "it's only aram, it isn't a serious mode". It may be rare for someone to push the button that says play, and think "I'm going to try to lose" the mindset can often be, I don't care about this game at all, it is only _____. I can troll here all I want. > Also, ARAM is random meaning you aren't able to choose your champion. This destroys any competitive integrity of a sport. Can't think of anything more wrong. The integrity of the random makes it *more* challenging. I own every single champion (I wish owning a champion or having it free to play was not part of aram) You might do very well having 10-15 champions in aram ... "aram only" accounts are built because people want to game the system rather than play the game. You don't think it is a challenge? Try playing aram with every champion available. It is *way* more competitive than sticking to just 5 champions that you can rotate through in other modes. Your football analogy is slightly off, because in aram, everyone is playing in "the same position" but playing with champions they may not have used in the past (or at least rarely used). I've seen people ask what skill is in aram that isn't in the rift ... that factor has one, can you pick up a champion you rarely use and get it to work quickly in a game with 5 other random champions ... it is a skill that someone that only plays rift won't ever see. I don't complain about someone that just isn't good at aram going into aram. I complain about someone who isn't going to try their best. I understand when someone says "I haven't ever played this champion before" and if I can, I trade with them (only time I can't is when they don't own the champion I have ... like I said, I own them all). Don't believe me? invite me into a custom, and I can go through them all to show you. Not doing well is not a problem is they are trying their best. Someone though that does the exact same thing time and time again and you tell them "hey, don't dive the team, you're champ is too squishy" and getting back "who cares? it's only aram" is not okay ... especially if they keep doing the same thing. I realize that different people come to the game with different goals. But it is a team sport. Not an individual sport. It isn't a FPS or even a single player game. It is a team that supposedly cooperates toward winning. If everyone is *trying* to win the best they can, I'm not going to complain. When someone obviously *isn't* trying to win the best they can, that is when I have what I'd call a legitimate gripe, especially when they reserve trying their best for some other mode. Yes, I'd like to see Riot take aram more seriously (make it so aram only accounts don't do anyone any good, balance the teams by making the selections balance, etc) but this thread is *only* about taking every mode you play in as seriously (i.e., play your best) as any other.
deoje299 (NA)
: Then just play norms.
I don't think you get it. I'm saying there are people that will play only a certain mode ... they don't care about any other mode. If you play in *any* mode without playing as well as you can, you are hurting your team. You (if you play ranked) wouldn't like it if they did that in ranked, so don't do it in someone else's favorite mode.
: if they all agree to it then no one cares like my blind games have vayne jungle soraka mid yas adc with fiora sup and bard top. we all have fun with our pics and see if it works aswell. I thought this game was suppose to be fun, there needs to be a separation from fun and work aka not ranked and ranked
If you bring your own team to the game, I agree. Then you and your teammates do all agree. If there is one person there that isn't, then you are pressuring them into the decision.
: Hey no worries, I'll never rank shame anyone - I rarely (if ever) look up others' MMR unless they're looking to improve or shame someone else. And even then, it's just a number on a screen. We're all human beings at the end of the day and deserve to be treated equally with respect until proven otherwise :). I only bring it up for OP and for data purposes - it's a game at the end of the day and I'd much rather have fun with Bronze 5 individuals than be flamed by a Challenger player for missing a skillshot!
Then treat those who only play aram with the same respect that you treat those who play ranked as serious.
: > [{quoted}](name=Toshiai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MEEcgA9i,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-29T14:49:46.473+0000) > > I think he has an aram only account Very likely. Most of his ARAM games are with Varus, Karthus, Caitlyn, Fiddlesticks, Kennen, etc. He also has an 817 ARAM MMR (Bottom 8%) while playing these champions, so is likely looking to bolster his own stats/ego. He's made a handful of attempts at other threads (all of which have been downvoted immediately) to shame other players while neglecting his own stats and raw data. https://na.whatismymmr.com/plasma%20servant
You again? I own every champion. I wish there was a way I could show you. Don't spread rumors and/or lies.
: I think he has an aram only account
Well, I own every single champion. I'd like to see the restriction of having free to play or owned removed from aram, so that it is always all champions that are available.
: mode you love? sorry but if that is one of the main game modes (blind, draft, aram, or ranked) then you need a new game because winning or losing in basically anything except ranked DOES NOT MATTER. why? well can you get a bronze ranking in aram? no? ok then that is why.
Like I said, because you feel that way about ranked, and I think ranked is a joke, then you don't mind me playing ranked the same way. Unless of course you don't feel that I should do that in ranked, in which case you are a hypocrite. You are saying "Do what I say, not what I do."
: you do you booboo but i like it cuz you dont need to worry about ranks so losing means you may have wasted 20-50 minutes and that is it go to the next game or go do something else. getting flamed? ignore button is the best button in the game or if your like me laugh at them for being morons. reported? did you actually do anything against the code? no? dont worry then. stomped? well that is going to happen in any game mode so...... shit out of luck there sorry and all these "problems" happen in every game mode. so most likely the problem in this case of league vs. you is you. your the one having the problem, your the one trying to tell everyone else what to do so maybe you should be the one to change your opinion or leave
Then you agree that treating ranked like you treat other modes is perfectly okay for those that think ranked is no big deal?
: I downvoted. This is a gqme. Having fun comes first in all modes. I agree. Also you need a reality check. Seriously
If you play all modes the same, I don't care. Just don't say "it's only ...." as an excuse for not doing your best. If you are playing on a team, play for the team ... if you aren't playing to have fun as a team, go do Call of Duty. LOL
: People go into ranked mode like that all the time sadly there is no real difference in any que you get trolls, its something you learn to live with.
You *want* that? I'm not talking about trolls here, I'm talking about "well, I don't really care, this isn't the mode I love"
: So........ What are you trying to say here? I know the dont troll and int feed etc but I get the feeling you are implying at something else.
What I'm saying is that all modes have people that want to play that mode only. For some, blind pick, for others, ARAM, others still ranked. Don't start playing in their sandbox as if you were a cat looking for a litter box. You don't want them to do it to you, you don't do it to them.
: I play the game for fun. Fun doesn't mean int or troll or anything, sure, but it also doesn't mean "take this shit super seriously at all times like your rank depends on it." Fuck that. If you're mad I'm experimenting in an ARAM, go back to Ranked. If you're mad I'm trying new champs in Blind, get out of Blind.
So you don't care if I do the same to your ranked play as you do to my ARAM? I think ranked is the joke mode. I take ARAM seriousl. > If you're mad I'm trying new champs in Blind, get out of Blind. So turn it around ... if you don't like that I'm trying out a new champ in ranked, get out of ranked.
Zexvain (NA)
: So you're telling me that I'm forced to play at my fullest potential on fun mini-games such as URF, even when there's a ranked implement system? That's fucking idiotic, hate to break it to you.
I'm telling you that I consider ranked a joke. If you come into my game mode and play there at less than your full potential, do you want to have people like me doing the same in ranked?
Joalsm (NA)
: ***
Then don't play it, or do you want someone that considers that mode the most important to come into ranked and do the same? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. play coop vs ai if you just want to mess around.
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