KuroCorbeau (EUNE)
: How do i get a racist banned?(With Prove)
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4 Gum (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4JA8feI2,comment-id=0005000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T22:24:14.294+0000) > > Unfortunately that seems to be the case, though I think that it's less "they can't" and more "they won't", since if it's not Summoner's Rift they don't care. that's my point tho, bring it to SR
> [{quoted}](name=4 Gum,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4JA8feI2,comment-id=00050001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T23:24:20.352+0000) > > that's my point tho, bring it to SR I highly doubt they will since they push hard for Classic SR and history has shown that they aren't committed to modes that aren't that. Just ask Dominion fans who were given nothing but false promises and silence for years before Riot decided to scrap the mode due to Riot's willingness to neglect it for Classic SR.
: Someone has been playing on my account
Not sure how helpful these tips will be but here goes. 1) Check to see if any unknown programs were installed on your computer somehow and try to remove them. 2) Change your password every so often if you're not confident in this not happening again. 3) Run another full system virus scan such as a run on boot-up one. Smart scans can't always find the deepest lurking threats, which is where things like boot-time scans come in handy. Best of luck.
: But... The only people that reported me are the people that constantly antagonized me both through text and through focusing down on ganking my lane... How is it a valid punishment for them to be the result of me getting a chat restriction when they were a pre-made in voice chat/comms, ganging up on me, and intentionally antagonizing me and starting everything, as well as making sure they all reported me, when they most likely, got away scot-free? And if it's because they didn't swear, then League seriously needs to re-evaluate what is considered unsportsman-like behaviour...
> [{quoted}](name=ThatGuyFTP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KAGeBPfc,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-07-17T21:26:06.362+0000) > > But... The only people that reported me are the people that constantly antagonized me both through text and through focusing down on ganking my lane... How is it a valid punishment for them to be the result of me getting a chat restriction when they were a pre-made in voice chat/comms, ganging up on me, and intentionally antagonizing me and starting everything, as well as making sure they all reported me, when they most likely, got away scot-free? > And if it's because they didn't swear, then League seriously needs to re-evaluate what is considered unsportsman-like behaviour... 1) Again, other people behaving poorly doesn't give your own poor behavior a free pass. Just like in most establishments if multiple people are acting up then they all get in trouble. 2) You don't know which of them reported you or even if they got off Scott free. Everyone's punishment level is different, with yours being at the point where a punishment was in order. 3) You don't have to use swear words to be toxic, and there have been valid punishments where the punished used no swear words. 4) It only takes 1 report to flag a game for review, and the game is thrown out if nothing of guilt is found. Gang reports don't work.
: > [{quoted}](name=Leetri,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4JA8feI2,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-07-17T14:26:27.976+0000) > > Because they'd still have to update the map whenever they changed or added something to the game, or else you could get games where for example having a Maokai and an Aurelion Sol on the same team soft-locks the match. Worse things have happened before. So you're saying a multi billion dollar corporation can't manage more than like 3 maps?
> [{quoted}](name=GarfieldxLasagna,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4JA8feI2,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2019-07-17T14:32:05.932+0000) > > So you're saying a multi billion dollar corporation can't manage more than like 3 maps? Unfortunately that seems to be the case, though I think that it's less "they can't" and more "they won't", since if it's not Summoner's Rift they don't care.
: banning/suspention
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: Yeah, okay... Seems legit... This is why chat restrictions need to be checked manually
Retaliation and "they started it/were worse" aren't valid excuses for poor behavior. Lines 1-13 I can tell you were tilted and frustrated, but the problems lie from line 14 onwards, where you started taking it out on your teammates. If they were acting up then the best course of action would've been to mute them then report them, though seeing as how you were frustrated and not thinking clearly I could understand somewhat if you didn't think to do that. Overall I definitely think that this was a fair and valid punishment. Next time if someone is acting up mute/ignore and report and don't get into a shouting match with them, as if they're trolling then not giving them their wanted reaction will either make them stop or pile more evidence on them, and if they're not trolling them you're creating a lose-lose situation for all involved.
4 Gum (NA)
: Bring Back Hide and Seek
I enjoyed the fan mode and back in the day I even played a couple games of hide and seek on SR and there were some pretty big issues that popped up that prevented it from taking off. 1) It's very big. Unless you limit it to the jungle only there are many places one could hide, such as in the bushes close to towers. Yes in The Crystal Scar you could also hide in lane bushes and in the dark areas of the capture points but at least there it felt reasonable and made sense. Doing the same on SR is sadly unreasonable and unfair. 2) No passive XP. Dominion gave passive XP whereas Classic doesn't. The only way I found to remedy that somewhat was to have everyone farm to lv.6 then start the actual H&S clock once all 6s recalled. After that Hiders could only gain further XP from non-buff jungle monsters and weren't allowed to leech XP from lane minions. Of course back then Brambleback and Golem had 2 minions, there was no rift herald iirc and the one and the only dragon had no passive buffs. 3) If you don't start the 45 minute clock (45 instead of 40 to try to compensate) after all lv.6s recall then depending on when everyone hits 6 the seekers are at a major disadvantage, arguably more-so than on The Crystal Scar. It's also tricky and cumbersome to try to remember what the exact stop time is compared to on TCS. So while it is possible to play H&S on SR it requires allot of lengthy setup to make it work efficiently.
Fazazer (NA)
: What is your opinion on how Riot punishes players? I think it's unfair.
From [Ulanopo's Knowledge Base](http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4086541&page=5#post43490718): >**“The Summoner’s Code is too nebulous. I need to know what I can’t say.”** >Riot is never going to tell you because people will use that information to skirt the edge of impropriety. Here’s a simple list of things that will almost always get you punished: >* Criticizing anyone’s skill. * Any racist, homophobic, sexist or ethnic slur. * Spamming. (A good rule of thumb is never say anything more than twice.) * Asking for reports. * Threatening, blackmailing or bullying your team in any way. This specifically includes any reference to going AFK, feeding or aiding the enemy. * Anything that could be construed as you not doing your best (“I’m not helping bot any more!”, for example). * Whining, especially if it’s about your team not surrendering. >Basically, you should avoid anything you would not say at the funeral of a loved one or during the interview for your dream job.
: > [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=i3EfAiqM,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-16T05:25:50.329+0000) > > It's not unethical at all. If someone buys concert tickets then starts a fight and gets kicked out, why should they get their money back? If someone pays money to go see a comedian then heckles them the whole time, ruining the show for everyone else, why shouldn't they get ejected? > Spending money for cosmetic items doesn't give you a free pass to be a dickhead in game and get away with it. If spending money _did_ give you ban protection, that would actually be pretty goddamn unethical, as it would basically be paying the company off to look the other way while you broke their ToS. It would be essentially no different from bribing the police to let you get away with whatever crime. > If you spend your money and get banned, then yes, it's as dumb as you burning your money in a fire. Play stupid games, get stupid prizes. You know the risks when you sign up and check the box saying you agree to Riot's terms of use. you are clearly part of the issue. if the reporting banning system was an actual a fair functioning system i might agree but its not. there are no clear words or phrases that are deemed bannable. therefore allowing riot to ban whoever they want for whatever reason ontop of the fact that AI is doing all of this. if you dont see an issue with this i hope something similar happens to you so you can realize how disturbing this is.goodbye.
> [{quoted}](name=crybabykitten,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=i3EfAiqM,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-16T18:50:13.154+0000) > > you are clearly part of the issue. if the reporting banning system was an actual a fair functioning system i might agree but its not. there are no clear words or phrases that are deemed bannable. therefore allowing riot to ban whoever they want for whatever reason ontop of the fact that AI is doing all of this. if you dont see an issue with this i hope something similar happens to you so you can realize how disturbing this is.goodbye. Of course there's not a defined list of no-no words outside of the very obvious ones that shouldn't need to be pointed out, because if there were then people would just find alternate spellings to say them and claim that they're technically not violating the rules. Don't believe me? Say for example Cat was banned. There are many alternate ways to spell Cat such as the following: cat c&t CAT Ca7 And so on... See the problem? It would be a never ending cycle of Riot updating the blacklist & people circumventing the blacklist, so in the end it's just not worth it. The same goes for having a hard defined list of rules: people will just get as close to the line as possible without technically breaking the rules, so by making them vague it makes it harder for problem players to try to game the system. That aside the rules are actually quite simple: don't be a jerk aka don't do or say anything that you know will just tick people off (don't rage at, flame, abuse, harass or troll/grief others). I've been playing since S2 and have never been warned nor banned. Bottom line: You can be mad all you want but Riot is not doing anything illegal and many companies do the same thing to customers who consistently act up and refuse to stop even after being warned multiple times. Money spent =/= rule immunity either. Feel free to list a company or three that doesn't punish people for acting up consistently. P.S. You don't own anything on the account-you merely rent it for as long as you follow the rules, and the content you use RP/BE/Crafting/Real Money to get is exactly what you receive on your account. It also states clearly in the ToS that Riot reserves the right to revoke account access at any time for any reason whatsoever, which just so happens to be things like constant misbehavior.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=myEje6UA,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T15:58:12.850+0000) > > Trolling and intentional feeding are also prohibited behaviors, and earn even harsher punishments. They are simply harder to detect with sufficient accuracy, as in some cases a bad game appear similar to someone intentionally feeding occasionally. The fact that the behavior that is easier to detect is punished faster does not mean that the other behaviors are not punished when identified. Harsher punishments? Did you mean none at all or??
> [{quoted}](name=prodigalpunk,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=myEje6UA,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T16:45:44.126+0000) > > Harsher punishments? Did you mean none at all or?? Gameplay related offenses when proven to be on purpose are assigned a 2-week ban as the first punishment. In case you don’t believe me on this point here are some examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it’s just a few examples, but it proves that they do get punished. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/E4LnThmW-most-ridiculous-chat-restriction-i-have-ever-seen-in-my-life?comment=0011 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KHAL90oW-stuck-at-honor-zero?comment=0003 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/3jEVVlsY-permanently-banned-with-ingame-log?comment=003e https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/jFwTE8Oj-playing-off-meta-in-ranked-int-feeding-ban?comment=0039 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sU5wOfFJ-proof-that-the-automated-system-is-broken?show=rundown https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/GrmPK5yP-intentional-feeding-but-i-didnt-feed?comment=0006 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MKBQUoKd-banned-for-intentionally-feeding https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KTq4tjIF-i-dont-get-it-how-riot-bans-a-player-because-another-kid-draven-decides-to-take-all-the-kills https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xW5z7auF-proof-that-riot-employees-ban-without-providing-clear-evidencecertainty-of-an-infraction https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RAfb0McT-got-banned-for-intentional-feeding-for-a-game-with-02-death https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5bqNJurI-banned-for-a-bad-game https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/f9P7YRXv-bad-game-i-guess
: why riot ban ppl for speak normal ?
If by "speaking normal" you mean "flaming and harassing people" then yes, Riot punishes for that. It's also not scamming when 1) Riot gives people many chances to improve their behavior before booting them and 2) we technically don't actually own anything on our accounts & we're merely given permission to use the stuff we get from RP, BE and crafting. If you want further discussion (and to help back up your claim) then please post your entire unedited Reform Card here in this thread.
Kimimi (EUNE)
: Who do you think are getting this year's Star Guardian skins?
I could see {{champion:350}} Yuumi potentially getting one. I can imagine book being a source of wisdom and power which would contrast to Yuumi's scatterbrained personality. Others I think might get one are {{champion:498}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:67}} and {{champion:92}}. As for joke ones that might be funny/silly to see, {{champion:45}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:72}} and {{champion:157}}.
Prandine (NA)
: What Featured Game Mode would you want permanent and why?
Anyone else wish to share their thoughts?
Hotarµ (NA)
: What other categories should there be? I feel like the three we have kind of cover everything. Shotcalling if they made good plays or carried, tilt-proof if they kept a cool head against flamers or just the match in general, and "GG" for everything else. I feel like the only honor update we need is the ability to honor an opponent, everything else kind of feels like it's covered already.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8qyPmIgQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-16T01:41:54.421+0000) > > What other categories should there be? I feel like the three we have kind of cover everything. Shotcalling if they made good plays or carried, tilt-proof if they kept a cool head against flamers or just the match in general, and "GG" for everything else. > > I feel like the only honor update we need is the ability to honor an opponent, everything else kind of feels like it's covered already. In addition to that I'd also like to add for the ability to honor everyone on a team again, as sometimes more than one person stood out, making it very difficult to choose just one person to honor.
: So one report does this? So Riot encourages making other accounts just to "buff" the number of players? How does match making give me a lvl 30 account on my team, while enemy team is full of 100+ in ranked? This is just dumb.
> [{quoted}](name=HuskyRedz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0BIAZs9b,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-13T08:10:46.155+0000) > > So one report does this? So Riot encourages making other accounts just to "buff" the number of players? How does match making give me a lvl 30 account on my team, while enemy team is full of 100+ in ranked? This is just dumb. It only takes one report to flag a game for **review** and does not automatically assign guilt. Once the game is reviewed a punishment is applied if it's found that the reported person has a history of poor behavior. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out, and multiple people reporting someone doesn't change the process, meaning premades can't just gang report someone they don't like to get them banned.
: I found my way of dealing with bad teammates.
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HeartVine (OCE)
: Personally, I'd like to see the PvE modes like Invasion and Extraction go onto a regular schedule, and just change which version it is every now and then. It shouldn't be too difficult for Riot to add some more variations of the mode as well, for example the Battlecast/Resistance skins could make for an interesting experience, with Creator Victor being the "end-game boss". Could possibly work in an Arcade variation, too.
> [{quoted}](name=HeartVine,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dpjLztPn,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-13T11:58:25.579+0000) > > Personally, I'd like to see the PvE modes like Invasion and Extraction go onto a regular schedule, and just change which version it is every now and then. It shouldn't be too difficult for Riot to add some more variations of the mode as well, for example the Battlecast/Resistance skins could make for an interesting experience, with Creator Victor being the "end-game boss". Could possibly work in an Arcade variation, too. I do enjoy the PvE modes and wouldn't mind seeing more of them in the future, but if they were to go on a regular rotation schedule would you keep the difficulty settings for each of them, and also how you would you handle the special missions for them?
: Ascension with the caveat that the Spire objectives are removed and that the Xerath buff doesn't award points. League needs a simple fight em out TDM mode without a focus on objectives
> [{quoted}](name=FreezerFlare,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dpjLztPn,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-13T07:46:13.102+0000) > > Ascension with the caveat that the Spire objectives are removed and that the Xerath buff doesn't award points. > > League needs a simple fight em out TDM mode without a focus on objectives Honestly I can't imagine Ascension with the objectives removed, as to me at least part of the fun of that mode is the capture point-like spires and Xerath buff. If you want a TDM mode that's fine, but I just don't feel Ascension should be that mode.
Rioter Comments
: How riots punishment system can mentally hurt people
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: I absolutely understand why we see more bans for chat than anything else. It's so easy to catch people that a bot can do it. And so a bot does. False positives are a massive problem, so of course they shouldn't make the system more lenient in dishing out punishment. That's not the point. The point is that no one should be telling themselves that their garbage mentalities and trolling are somehow justified by their teammates' harrassment. The point is also that, when these people ARE caught for obvious, unmistakable trolling, there should be no escalation to a 14 day ban. They should be gone. First offense, finished. As far as the mutes go, I've played since season 2, so I was there, thanks. I also played out my 100 game chat restriction and didn't "grief as an alternative form of toxicity" once. I play with some toxic scumbags, and not one of them has done this. Yeah, I'm aware that Riot CLAIMS gameplay toxicity spiked, but I witnessed no increase in this behavior over the thousand or so ranked games I played during the implementation of these chat bans. Just like the sudden disappearance of the "un-permaban" program and all information surrounding it, there is no concrete evidence of Riot's claims as far as permanent chat bans go. I'm not going to sit here and trash talk the balance team and the visual design teams like everyone else here. Shit isn't half as deserved as people like to think. But player behavior? Everything surrounding it has always been an enigma and you know that. Let's not forget the promised return of the Tribunal. They talk circles about everything related to player behavior until everyone forgets.
> [{quoted}](name=KhaZix Bot,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=L29eKslg,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-07-12T07:57:16.873+0000) > > I absolutely understand why we see more bans for chat than anything else. It's so easy to catch people that a bot can do it. And so a bot does. False positives are a massive problem, so of course they shouldn't make the system more lenient in dishing out punishment. That's not the point. > > The point is that no one should be telling themselves that their garbage mentalities and trolling are somehow justified by their teammates' harrassment. The point is also that, when these people ARE caught for obvious, unmistakable trolling, there should be no escalation to a 14 day ban. They should be gone. First offense, finished. I believe the reason why it's not a straight up permaban is because Riot believes that people can change their behavior for the better if given the chance to do so. Obviously it can be seen as a double-edged sword where on the one hand it gives people the chance to get their act together and potentially never get punished again but on the other it can allow them to troll even more games before being permabanned. Can't please everyone after all. > As far as the mutes go, I've played since season 2, so I was there, thanks. I also played out my 100 game chat restriction and didn't "grief as an alternative form of toxicity" once. I play with some toxic scumbags, and not one of them has done this. Yeah, I'm aware that Riot CLAIMS gameplay toxicity spiked, but I witnessed no increase in this behavior over the thousand or so ranked games I played during the implementation of these chat bans. I've played League since the S2 Snowdown Showdown and I didn't either, but then again I don't play every day and most of the toxicity i experienced in the earlier seasons came from custom game modes such as Draft Racing and Hide & Seek where people falsely thought that Riot didn't punish for poor behavior in custom games. Heck I even remember reviewing a Tribunal case that was from a Hide & Seek game where I think I voted Punish if memory serves. That said just because we didn't personally see a major uptick doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't one. From [Riot Tantram:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/wsObUaFj-if-tyler1?comment=00010001000000000000) > It really breaks down into two categories. > > 1.) Helping players reform > 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost. > > We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely. > > We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it. > > We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling. > > The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS. > > So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat? __________ > Just like the sudden disappearance of the "un-permaban" program and all information surrounding it, there is no concrete evidence of Riot's claims as far as permanent chat bans go. I'm not going to sit here and trash talk the balance team and the visual design teams like everyone else here. Shit isn't half as deserved as people like to think. But player behavior? Everything surrounding it has always been an enigma and you know that. Maybe it's just me but I don't think it's that mysterious when all you have to do to avoid being punished is not do or say anything you know will just tick other people off (don't insult, flame or harass others and don't troll, int or afk). Off-topic: I do agree with you that people flame the balance and design teams way too much, usually for petty things such as "X isn't in the colors I like!" (not sure if someone actually complained about that but you get the idea). > Let's not forget the promised return of the Tribunal. They talk circles about everything related to player behavior until everyone forgets. I think I do remember them talking about the Tribunal returning years ago back when it was taken down. I don't remember how I felt when they stated that it wouldn't be coming back (if they stated it wouldn't: my memory's not the best in that regard), but I'd say the system we have today (which btw was built in part with data gathered from the Tribunal) while it has major room for improvements in the troll detection category does it's job reasonably well if not arguably better than the Tribunal did.
: what a fkin bad analogy HE DIDNT RUN IT DOWN ! BOT PROGRAMS RUN IT DOWN FOR A MONTH ANDF THEY GET BANNED IN WAVES(OR SO RIOT CLAIMS) BUT WEIRD THOSE I SPOTTED ARE NOW PLAYED BY HUMANS AND MADE IT PLAT AND ABOVE! GOOD FOR A GUY WHO CONSISTENTLY FED AND LOSS ALL HIS GAMES UNITL LVL 30! RIOT LIES AND DONT DO SHT AGAINST PEOPLE WHO INTENTIONALLY LOSE THEY ONLY BAN PEOPLE WHO USE CHAT! WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE ALL THE LIES RIOT TELLS?!?!? SMURFS AND TROLLS AND BOT PROGRAMS RULE THIS GAME, RIOT FAILED!
> [{quoted}](name=DARCKD00M,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-11T23:08:45.762+0000) > > what a fkin bad analogy > HE DIDNT RUN IT DOWN ! > BOT PROGRAMS RUN IT DOWN FOR A MONTH ANDF THEY GET BANNED IN WAVES(OR SO RIOT CLAIMS) BUT WEIRD THOSE I SPOTTED ARE NOW PLAYED BY HUMANS AND MADE IT PLAT AND ABOVE! GOOD FOR A GUY WHO CONSISTENTLY FED AND LOSS ALL HIS GAMES UNITL LVL 30! > > RIOT LIES AND DONT DO SHT AGAINST PEOPLE WHO INTENTIONALLY LOSE THEY ONLY BAN PEOPLE WHO USE CHAT! > > WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE ALL THE LIES RIOT TELLS?!?!? > > SMURFS AND TROLLS AND BOT PROGRAMS RULE THIS GAME, RIOT FAILED! Oh really? Here are some examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it’s just a few examples, but it proves that they do get punished. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/E4LnThmW-most-ridiculous-chat-restriction-i-have-ever-seen-in-my-life?comment=0011 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KHAL90oW-stuck-at-honor-zero?comment=0003 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/3jEVVlsY-permanently-banned-with-ingame-log?comment=003e https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/jFwTE8Oj-playing-off-meta-in-ranked-int-feeding-ban?comment=0039 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sU5wOfFJ-proof-that-the-automated-system-is-broken?show=rundown https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/GrmPK5yP-intentional-feeding-but-i-didnt-feed?comment=0006 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MKBQUoKd-banned-for-intentionally-feeding https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KTq4tjIF-i-dont-get-it-how-riot-bans-a-player-because-another-kid-draven-decides-to-take-all-the-kills https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xW5z7auF-proof-that-riot-employees-ban-without-providing-clear-evidencecertainty-of-an-infraction https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RAfb0McT-got-banned-for-intentional-feeding-for-a-game-with-02-death https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5bqNJurI-banned-for-a-bad-game
: Fact: There isn't a single thing you can say in game that is worse than Inting/AFKing/Trolling.
The mute button =/= a get out of jail free card and is meant to be a band-aid solution at most. Not only that but the time one spends flaming others (and the mute button doesn't prevent them from typing btw) is the time they're not spending playing the game itself. Trolling is already punished more severely than regular chat related offenses (hate speech, death wishes and the like aside) but is harder to detect and prove intent for than chat related offenses are. Yes we all wish that gameplay offenses were punished more frequently but since Riot wants to avoid false positives as much as possible this is unfortunately what we have to work with. You can disagree but if a person is only interested in harassing others in chat rather than playing the game then multiplayer online games are not for them. P.S. Before you say it Riot already tried perma-mutes in the past in the form of infinitely scaling chat restrictions and it just caused an increase in gameplay related offenses since people who couldn't grief via chat did so via gameplay instead. Both are problems and both deserve punishments, which includes permabans if the offender won't stop ruining the experience of others despite multiple chances given.
drolr (NA)
: Wtf riot i swear to god please someone lift this ban off of me
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Dyrezx (EUW)
: Ranked Matches Bronze/Silver
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: > [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=BzXxKORK,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-08T00:43:23.022+0000) > > Something I personally think could help fight vote manipulation is to display who liked and/or disliked a post. For example, say I liked a particular post, you would then see that that post was liked by me. It's not a perfect solution & may open up the door to more flame wars over people agreeing/disagreeing with a particular topic or point, but it is something to think about at the very least. While that would help to be able to do a visual inspection, realistically performing that visual inspection would still be laborious. I agree with your assessment that it opens the floodgates (I don;t think it is simply a door (-: ), to a whole host of other problems related to witch hunting/naming and shaming. I believe that you, the moderation team, should have the tools available to you to investigate, but I don't think that showing who up/down votes something is the right solution.
> [{quoted}](name=Modi,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=BzXxKORK,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-09T14:35:12.866+0000) > > While that would help to be able to do a visual inspection, realistically performing that visual inspection would still be laborious. I agree with your assessment that it opens the floodgates (I don;t think it is simply a door (-: ), to a whole host of other problems related to witch hunting/naming and shaming. > > I believe that you, the moderation team, should have the tools available to you to investigate, but I don't think that showing who up/down votes something is the right solution. Well going by one fansite I frequent it only displays the names of the most recent 5 people who thanked a post before displaying "and X others" with X being however many else. If you click on that then it brings up a list of all the people who thanked that post and when. Like I said it's not a perfect solution for the LoL forums but it is something at least.
: Why is riots ban system so flawed?
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: What does the report button do?
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Eedat (NA)
: When is vote manipulators getting addressed?
Something I personally think could help fight vote manipulation is to display who liked and/or disliked a post. For example, say I liked a particular post, you would then see that that post was liked by me. It's not a perfect solution & may open up the door to more flame wars over people agreeing/disagreeing with a particular topic or point, but it is something to think about at the very least.
: What's the point in banning an accoun
First off, you say that the person you talked to when contesting your ban said to create another account. I find this suspicious and so request you provide a screenshot of the chat to prove they actually said that. Second off, due to the nature of free to play games there's not much Riot can do to stop people from making new accounts without causing collateral damage in the process. Ideally they'd like permabanned players to not make new accounts, but there's no real way to stop them from doing so. To quote [Kei143](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/mmh6PidR-the-dreaded-downvoteers-in-this-discussion-board?comment=0001000100000000000100000004): >When Riot permabans someone, their philosophy is "the chances of this guy reforming isn't a whole lot, we'd rather not have him in the game". Thus in their eyes, they have already written off the toxic player as a paying client. >From a business standpoint, do they want to remove the toxic guy who has spent $500 but is causing a negative environment for 4-9 other players in every game? Those non-toxics are also spending $500 and probably will spend more, promote the game more when they are enjoying the game AND they won't cause a negative environment. >I personally think it is a fine argument to protect the ones that are paying money and aren't toxic rather than protecting the ones that may pay the same amount but are toxic. From [Riot Tantram](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/X2m9OOAQ-riot-support-does-nothing-to-help-players?comment=00000000), aka the guy who wrote the entire system: >We perma-ban players that we no longer want playing League of Legends, because they hurt the community. We do not want them to make new accounts. We cannot STOP people from making new accounts though. From [Ulanopo's Knowledge Base](http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4086541&page=1#post43465440): >**“Riot bans people because they make money off of forcing people to create new accounts and repurchase the skins.”** >Just stop. This is a really silly argument. I didn’t pay for my account any more than you did and while I have bought a number of things, I didn’t have to. There’s nothing relevant to competitive play that I couldn’t have bought with IP. >Also, Riot actively discourages people from making new accounts. >From Lyte: (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33432435#post33432435)) >_Actually, if we're permabanning you we don't want your money or your time. Just find another game._ >_(Help from MadmanWithBox)_ To quote [Umbral Regent]( https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bIQEEAVN-perma-bans?comment=0000): >If you got your main account permanently banned, the only way you can prove your reform is to not get any further accounts banned. >Riot isn't going to give you infinite chances, they have to put their foot down somewhere - and that somewhere happens to be after the 14-day ban. If you can't be bothered to listen to three separate warnings _at the very least_, then, why should your main account be given a fourth try? You've already proven three separate times that you don't care about the rules. >My opinion is that if you're worth getting your account back, you wouldn't have gotten it banned in the first place.
: Chat Restricted for What???
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: > [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PslQGRk6,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-07-03T02:00:28.357+0000) > > Looking at the game you spend pretty much the whole time arguing with others. According to you you apparently did mute the problem player but then unmuted them once they started spam pinging you. If that's the case then why didn't you just mute their pings as well rather than unmute and argue with them? I get that you were having a bad game and were most likely feeling frustrated, and in those instances I get that it's tempting to argue back, but there was ultimately no benefit I can see from doing what you did there. > > Next time if someone refuses to stop acting up in chat then mute them and don't unmute them later, even if they start spam pinging you, cause at that point they're just doing it to get on your nerves and nothing more. It's better to just focus on the game itself rather than on who can argue the best in chat. > > In terms of punishment while I don't think this merits one on its own if it's a pattern of yours across multiple games then I could see how a chat restriction could be warranted. You may be able to get it overturned with the Support Ticket you filed (just be patient on that front), but in case you don't just remember: less arguing in chat and more playing the game. Well, since you took the time to personally look over the game, You've gone ahead and chat restricted the toxic players with whom OP was conversing, right? It takes two to tango, after all, and if OP needs to "remember: less arguing in chat and more playing the game.", then the exact same blanket statement will fit nice and snuggly right over his toxic teammates.
> [{quoted}](name=10Tickler,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PslQGRk6,comment-id=000f0001,timestamp=2019-07-03T07:19:19.172+0000) > > Well, since you took the time to personally look over the game, You've gone ahead and chat restricted the toxic players with whom OP was conversing, right? > > It takes two to tango, after all, and if OP needs to "remember: less arguing in chat and more playing the game.", then the exact same blanket statement will fit nice and snuggly right over his toxic teammates. I and the other mods and heralds don't work for Riot and thus have no bearing on whether someone gets an in-game punishment or not. All I did here was give my own personal thoughts on the case itself. As for your other statement, while I see what you're saying here in this case had the OP simply committed to the chat mute and then muted the problem players pings when they started spam pinging then most likely this case wouldn't even exist. That aside I agree with CharDeeMcDenniz's post.
: Chat Restriction??? Just look
Looking at the game you spend pretty much the whole time arguing with others. According to you you apparently did mute the problem player but then unmuted them once they started spam pinging you. If that's the case then why didn't you just mute their pings as well rather than unmute and argue with them? I get that you were having a bad game and were most likely feeling frustrated, and in those instances I get that it's tempting to argue back, but there was ultimately no benefit I can see from doing what you did there. Next time if someone refuses to stop acting up in chat then mute them and don't unmute them later, even if they start spam pinging you, cause at that point they're just doing it to get on your nerves and nothing more. It's better to just focus on the game itself rather than on who can argue the best in chat. In terms of punishment while I don't think this merits one on its own if it's a pattern of yours across multiple games then I could see how a chat restriction could be warranted. You may be able to get it overturned with the Support Ticket you filed (just be patient on that front), but in case you don't just remember: less arguing in chat and more playing the game.
: Chat Restriction??? Just look
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: asking community for opinions, is it true that the higher you are in the ladder the more toxic u are
I wouldn't necessarily say that as everyone is different and toxicity exists at all levels of play. Perhaps you're just experiencing bad luck, which in that case try taking a break from SR or whatever other mode is causing you frustration and play something else.
: I love this updated board, but i do have a concern that shaco will never be in a good game state for a very long time. Would be awesome if y'all could update him a little.
> [{quoted}](name=Ghost Clown,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=xJgRzoFX,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-06-19T10:01:40.404+0000) > > I love this updated board, but i do have a concern that shaco will never be in a good game state for a very long time. Would be awesome if y'all could update him a little. Keep in mind that Mods, Specialists and Heralds don't work for Riot, we're just volunteer community members is all.
: yes I may just need to get more used to the assassins. if they are bad its easy, but sometimes they are good etc or its an unlucky combo of my team needing me while they are challenging me. I'm going to look up the games you mentioned and try one today. I can either stop playing this game or make sure i've gotten some other games in besides this one. thank you :)
> [{quoted}](name=TitanicStars,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OpIAYANb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-02T17:21:08.579+0000) > > yes I may just need to get more used to the assassins. if they are bad its easy, but sometimes they are good etc or its an unlucky combo of my team needing me while they are challenging me. I'm sure the more you practice the better you'll be. I'd also suggest maybe taking a break from SR and trying some other maps instead. I mainly play TT myself since Dominion was retired. > I'm going to look up the games you mentioned and try one today. I can either stop playing this game or make sure i've gotten some other games in besides this one. > > thank you :) You're welcome, glad I could help. The games I mentioned are some of the ones I enjoy the most, and actually picked up Worms again recently after not having it for years. Sometimes it helps to have other games to play so you don't feel forced into only one. Best of luck.
: Need Some Advice
If you're struggling against assassins then maybe try playing a mage you know you can counter them with. Other than that all I can think of to say is try to hold on as best you can, maybe try to get your teammates ahead and wait for the teamfights to occur. Other than that perhaps LoL isn't the game for you if you're looking to blow off steam after work. Might I suggest games like Super Smash Brothers, Ape Escape: Pumped and Primed or Worms: A Space Oddity instead.
: > [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-01T21:56:27.122+0000) > > No ones denying that the IFS isn't perfect and that it needs improvements, but to say it doesn't do a good job is just ignoring the countless cases where it does do a good job (just look in PB alone of how many people complain about getting in trouble for chat related behavior). That aside, why should poor chat behavior be excused just because there's a mute button? Why should other people be forced to mute them just because they want to flame and complain rather than focus on playing the actual game itself? It just seems to me that riot puts more effort into banning toxic players instead of actual trolls and inters. I completely agree that toxicity should be punished but I think riot should focus more on trolls then toxicity.
> [{quoted}](name=Soul Dealer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-02T13:15:49.257+0000) > > It just seems to me that riot puts more effort into banning toxic players instead of actual trolls and inters. I completely agree that toxicity should be punished but I think riot should focus more on trolls then toxicity. The problem is detecting and proving malicious intent behind the behavior, which is made harder to do when people gum up the system with false trolling/inting reports. While I definitely agree that Riot needs to do a better job punishing poor gameplay behavior, how do you design a system that consistently punishes said behavior while also making sure there's as few false positives as possible?
Kobrack (NA)
: DO NOT PLAY LEAGUE OF LEGENDS
Locking this thread as it's clear the OP just wants to insult everyone who disagrees with him, not to mention it's a biased poll. In the future if you can't or won't disagree with someone without resorting to things like insults or name-calling then don't respond at all. Also, don't make biased polls if you actually want to have a civil discussion, as public forums aren't the place to get just Yesman only responses. Feel free to contact us at the [Moderation Discord](https://discordapp.com/channels/230113905668653056/306220435262144512) or at [Discuss the Boards]( https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation) for any questions, comments or concerns about this. Thank you and have a good day.
: > [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-30T15:38:15.617+0000) > > Yes, you can be punished if your complaining is spamming the chat. A few lines is probably not going to get reported, let alone punished. Everyone plays this game and knows the frustrations of certain champions, so (I imagine) players are unlikely to report you for saying how broken a champion is. > > That being said: > > If your chat is directed at berating someone, you can get punished. If it's just chat, it's unlikely to get a ban unless you've had prior chat restrictions or bans. Can I ask why you and other mods seem to defend riots punishment system when it is clearly flawed and does not do a good job. If someone is in my game and is being toxic I can just mute them and move on because I really don’t care but when someone comes into my game and starts to int/troll I don’t have the luxury of clicking and button and ignoring them. It’s like the old saying goes “stick and stones can hurt your bones but words can never hurt you”.
> [{quoted}](name=Soul Dealer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-01T17:49:48.967+0000) > > Can I ask why you and other mods seem to defend riots punishment system when it is clearly flawed and does not do a good job. If someone is in my game and is being toxic I can just mute them and move on because I really don’t care but when someone comes into my game and starts to int/troll I don’t have the luxury of clicking and button and ignoring them. It’s like the old saying goes “stick and stones can hurt your bones but words can never hurt you”. No ones denying that the IFS isn't perfect and that it needs improvements, but to say it doesn't do a good job is just ignoring the countless cases where it does do a good job (just look in PB alone of how many people complain about getting in trouble for chat related behavior). That aside, why should poor chat behavior be excused just because there's a mute button? Why should other people be forced to mute them just because they want to flame and complain rather than focus on playing the actual game itself?
: > [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-30T16:37:15.530+0000) > > Maybe in moderation. > > I had a Nasus recently whose chat was almost entirely complaining and giving up. There’s a point where it crosses from commiseration to disrupting your own gameplay and disrupting the teamwork of the rest of your team. Mute. This is not behavior that should warrant a ban. Instead, if someone is disruptive, even if it's crazy to say that, mute them. There's a difference between someone that others don't like because they play this game for their emotional refuge and anything disrupting that needs to die and someone being straight up a c*** and destroying games. It's just insane how Riot puts people who complain in the same bucket as people who say the worst things.
> [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-30T16:39:36.269+0000) > > Mute. > > This is not behavior that should warrant a ban. Instead, if someone is disruptive, even if it's crazy to say that, mute them. There's a difference between someone that others don't like because they play this game for their emotional refuge and anything disrupting that needs to die and someone being straight up a c*** and destroying games. > > It's just insane how Riot puts people who complain in the same bucket as people who say the worst things. 1) Mute button =/= a get out of jail free card. 2) If someone is spending all or the majority of their in-game time complaining or flaming then they're not actually playing the game itself, essentially forcing their team to play with a man down. The chat is meant for strategic, helpful, neutral or positive communication, not for constant almost non-stop complaining or flaming. 3) Punishments are based on consistency and severity, meaning that even low-key poor behavior if consistent enough can earn a punishment.
: Thank god I got on board at first release read some of these post on que times etc. Didn't have and issues and played up till 1pm GMT +1. What happened since I was gone? Any ideas on if this is permanent, of temp (short term or long term?) Sorry lots of questions I know but I really enjoyed the fame mode.
> [{quoted}](name=turdburgler93,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=6qJ5QaIl,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T18:15:12.423+0000) > > Thank god I got on board at first release read some of these post on que times etc. Didn't have and issues and played up till 1pm GMT +1. > > What happened since I was gone? Any ideas on if this is permanent, of temp (short term or long term?) > > Sorry lots of questions I know but I really enjoyed the fame mode. In terms of server status the PBE seems to have stabilized. As for whether TFT will be permanent or not well Riot says they want it to be permanent, but given their history and track record with other game modes not named Summoner's Rift I'd take that with a grain of salt if I was you.
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: 1. If you look at the post below it, the player suggests it was only around 3 years. It wasn't around when I was playing, and definitely wasn't around at any point with the IFS. 2. My wife is a psychologist, and I'm an economist, whose got a background in Finance, Business admin, and both are considered 92% percentile intelligence or above. My Wife is OCD, her mother Explosive Anxiety disorder, and her father a hoarder. I'm probably at least Asperger's, and I have a 4 year old with Autism. I'm not speaking from "I think." I'm speaking from "I know." Try raising a 4 year old with Autism. It's really interesting what you can learn about tolerance and behavior modelling. My son's got the behavior modelling of a 2 year old, can't use sentences beyond sounded out rough three word sentences, and my wife and I have two VERY different ways of dealing with him: My wife: If he bites, put him in a room alone and shut the door as a "Time Out." Me: If he's trying to bite; I try to find out why. I know a bit about autistic "stemming" and I know that if he's biting, he's either got too much sensory stimulation, and he's trying to ground himself, or he's feeling ignored, and wants to play a "game." My wife usually will punish both. I get a chew toy when he's overstimulated, and snuggle him. ------------------ Now I want you to fast forward 20 years with the knowledge that: -my son is a genius/savant in numbers. He could probably gain the knowledge base to hack a government. -my son never grew out of his slew of autistic problems in regards to socializing, stemming, and dealing with everyday "noise." What kind of player would my son be at 24? One you could reform? One you could accept? One you could ignore? --------------- I then want you to know a little something about me: I can't STAND noise when playing. My wife sneaks past on her tippy toes, I know it. If she starts a kitchen project when I'm playing, I know it. I know it when she starts her OCD security ticks before bed time. I know what my son is doing every second, every minute. If they are making an OUNCE of noise, my effectiveness in game literally drops 35%. And it's not because I'm an asshole. It's because I cannot process nor filter 8-20 different sounds/changes to my environment at the same time as functioning. And, this is common among a LOT of League players. We know we're capable players. But we're not capable players when our brains get in the way. AND THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. ---------------------------- My wife just had an interesting discussion about this same topic with me. She actually took YOUR side. BUT...... she couldn't tell me why. (not for the sake of trying; she literally couldn't. Her OCD and rearing made her very nonsocial/social averse. She originally argued that, given a proper motivator, people can change. So I asked her, even though I've been trying to get her to be social for over 14 years, why hasn't she? "Because there's no reward in being social." The way she sees social: -more responsibility with more people. -more costs to her personal time -more interaction with people she doesn't like. Then I pointed out to her: -Social can get you a job with twice the income of the job you have. -Social can create networks whom benefit you when you have a catastrophe in your life (like a house burnt down, etc) -Social gives you leverage in haggling. -Social can reduce your parental burdens. -Social can secure loans. -Social can elevate the standing of a child by their parents among their peers. etc etc etc. You know what? For all her trying to defend you, she had a REALLY HARD time explaining why these things weren't considered motivators to her to be a little more social. The truth is this: A "motivator" exactly the same thing as the excuse a gambling addict makes when trying to justify why they gamble. They believe they can change/alter the motivator or habit. When in reality...... the gambling addict behaves like one because of an actual addiction, a mental disorder exacerbated by the design of the game victimizing them. People with behavioral issues are told they can change, if they have motivation. But they'll never actually find someone or something who will give them positive motivation to MAKE that change. They can't even break down motivation into smaller parts. Telling them to get motivation is usually actually a discriminatory tool to get people who can't find it (for some reason) to hate themselves.
As interesting as this conversation is (and I don't mind continuing on with it) I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to make your own thread if you wish to continue this discussion since this particular thread is over 5 months old.
: I've been playing since Season 3, and never once experienced "infinitely scaling chat restrictions." That is a myth, unless it coincided very early "Tribunal" justice, in which the punishment wouldn't match the rulings..... You also pretend that behavior is reformable, when in reality it's scientifically engrained by a certain age. Once you're 27, your behavior isn't going to change much, even if you really try, because your brain's elasticity begins a serious decline. You're also not considering mental disabilities like Anxiety disorders, Autism, etc, where "behavior" is just a manifestation of what they were born with. You're literally advocating punishing people's DNA.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HHnMyGOj,comment-id=002000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T21:56:24.375+0000) > > I've been playing since Season 3, and never once experienced "infinitely scaling chat restrictions." That is a myth, unless it coincided very early "Tribunal" justice, in which the punishment wouldn't match the rulings..... From [Riot Tantram:](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/wsObUaFj-if-tyler1?comment=00010001000000000000) > It really breaks down into two categories. > > 1.) Helping players reform > 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost. > > We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely. > > We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it. > > We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling. > > The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS. > > So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat? ___________ > You also pretend that behavior is reformable, when in reality it's scientifically engrained by a certain age. Once you're 27, your behavior isn't going to change much, even if you really try, because your brain's elasticity begins a serious decline. You're also not considering mental disabilities like Anxiety disorders, Autism, etc, where "behavior" is just a manifestation of what they were born with. You're literally advocating punishing people's DNA. I disagree, as most people can change if they put in the time and effort it takes to do so. Riot is a business first and foremost though, and it's not their job to babysit people who aren't interested in or capable of interacting with others in a mature and respectful manner despite being given multiple chances to do so. Those people are customers Riot doesn't want playing the game. That aside how do you expect Riot to reasonably tell and prove if someone has a disability or mental disorder? Even if Riot could and started excusing those people then what's to stop others from falsely claiming they have a disability or mental disorder just to try to get out of their punishment? Can you reasonably expect Riot to devote time and resources to something like this when those things would be better spent elsewhere?
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: Suggestions to improve Teamfight Tactics.
Update: I was finally able to finish 1st in my most recent game of TFT, and while that does definitely feel good after a string of back to back 7th and 8th place finishes admittedly it was mostly due to getting good items early on, such as a very early Spear of Shojin, both of which were firsts for me. I still stand by my proposals but look forward to hearing more feedback from others on them.
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: This game has become a meme; a joke
From [Understanding the Tribunal](http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2726400): >**1) What's the point of having a language filter if I can get banned for 'adult' language?** a) We aren't out to punish players who use adult language; in fact, very few players are ever banned for saying stuff like "f***, I missed that skill shot" or "damn, f***ing close game!" However, the language filter is not an excuse to verbally abuse someone in the game. When you verbally abuse or harass someone by calling them "f***ing ******" or "n*gger noob", that's when you've crossed the line and will be punished by the Tribunal. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we aren't trying to clean online games of adult language; we're trying to reform or get rid of jerks who like to verbally abuse and harass other players. The mute button is the same thing: it's meant to be a band-aid solution for but does not excuse toxic behavior. As for protecting "weak little children", did you know that children are often more mature then the so-called adults are? Not only that but people are often fired from jobs for acting immature similar to how you are in your post. That is just a very poor excuse often used by people who can't handle or accept the fact that actions have consequences, even online. The punishment was deserved. Next time if you can't interact with others without resorting to things like insults or name-calling then don't play multiplayer games.
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