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> [{quoted}](name=Face The Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YgEeBYAf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-27T22:50:19.182+0000)
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> its a real damn shame
Apparently you need to equip the icon to get the border... it's a real shame yes.
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> [{quoted}](name=aNewMoonIsRising,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YgEeBYAf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-27T20:17:52.438+0000)
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> It was already a rip off to begin with. why waste 1101 rp on two icons and two borders when you almost have enough for a new Coven skin. I just got the two skins screw the borders.
Thinking about it myself... real rip off..
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> [{quoted}](name=aNewMoonIsRising,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K8c635qz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-27T19:13:04.259+0000)
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> pretty sure it includes the border right?!
It's not said anywhere about the border.
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> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=g2Pdidt8,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-11-27T19:11:35.185+0000)
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> You mean like Bloodstone or Emerald?
New one and Emerald is legacy so we can't get.
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a Taric skin that is not a joke.
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Okay since my opinion is not well received concerning his kit, how about visually ? I can't miss having a shining armor knight?
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Buff Taric mana cost.
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> [{quoted}](name=FilDaFunk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EmEFFNyU,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2018-11-27T16:00:12.512+0000)
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> {{item:3190}}
Having an item to proc a rune make it extremely not worth it..
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Well Tower give too much gold right now, wich indeed cause snowball but another problem is that after plating fall off, the tower have no more resistance and are made of wet paper.. I had a graves who 5 shotted a tower with 2 item after plating fell of.. this isn't sane.
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> [{quoted}](name=Fire Blaustoise,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WbpEfUMs,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-11-27T13:09:26.152+0000)
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> Where are {{champion:236}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:127}} ???
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> Almost sure Viktop will still be busted (cause they plan to "nerf" him in same way as last patch).
For Sion case the issue isn't Sion. It's demolish being the only decent rune in resolve first tree. Int Sion exist only because demolish exist. Remove demolish and Int sion cease to exist.
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> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AaoOWGpI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-27T17:13:34.048+0000)
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> the taric rework is awful and robbed us of a truly soulful character
Exactly, Taric could been so much more than what Riot gave us. Warwick was the same kind of rework level and he remained almost the same as his old character...Why Taric had to change so dramatically in term of kit design and even visual ?
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> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AaoOWGpI,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-27T17:11:30.481+0000)
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> Old Taric WAS an E bot who occasionally hit R to activate a new aura. Sure, he could be capable of some levels of burst with his W and R together, but as a tank, he really didn't have the CC or lockdown to be in people's faces bursting them with his W (which deactivated his armor aura) and his R. He was much better off in the back line leaving his auras active for the entire team to utilize, and stunning enemies where he could. Your team lost a ton of durability if he was using his W on a consistent basis.
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> Taric as he is now is not just an "R Bot" as you keep claiming. He's capable of team stuns, and the peel he can do with his connected mate is much more efficient and better than Old Taric could ever do. Plus, he's got a shield, and a much more engaging heal that allows him to spam auto-attacks much more fluidly than his old passive allowed. You're not playing him right if you're assuming he's good for nothing than pressing R. He's go so many more tools at his disposal and he's more fun to play because his playstyle swapped from passive backlane tank to a more front line tank.
This is where you are wrong.. Taric is no where tank as he used to be. He is a Mixed Sona/Janna while being less tanky and easy to harass as he can miss his stun fairly easily. Peel was never an Issue with old Taric as his heal was more than enought to peel and save your carry. He didn't need a shield on top of it. If i wanted to play a peel support, Janna exist. No he is not more fun to play. If you started after his rework , your opinion is biased sir.
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> [{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AaoOWGpI,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-27T17:11:09.069+0000)
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> I agree, I don't like his current state either. I just don't think he could have been left as he was. He was never going to stay in his old state, because his kit was just.... well, dated and boring.
I'm not saying it needed to stay but we could had something better that fullfill the Paladin fantasy... right now Taric look more of a exotic dancer than a Paladin ... I just don't recognize the champion I used to love at all and it make me sad.
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11 am PST. The game is currently down sir.
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> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AaoOWGpI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-27T17:01:13.992+0000)
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> You would be wrong. Taric's rework is one of the most stable rework they've done to date. He improved DRAMATICALLY from being the guy who simply stood still and pressed E occasionally while everyone just got stronger from his auras.
He could also be a front line. You just think old Taric was E bot but I played Taric from old Taric, to new Taric and I had more potential to be proactive with old Taric that I do with the new Taric...right now Taric switched from E bot, to ult bot.. he do nothing than press R and back up. I dislike new Taric.
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I do as well but we can't do more than wait..
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> [{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AaoOWGpI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-27T16:58:06.720+0000)
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> He doesn't need a shield, he IS the shield.
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> Also, I kind of miss old Taric too. He was the trolliest of trolly top picks. I could only occationally actually win with it, but when I did.... perfection.
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> But he wasn't really good, or exciting, or really all that fun outside the troll potential.
I took the video for his skill visual, not top Taric specifically. Taric isn't exciting now either if you want to use this comment.. i find him even more boring as you can't do anything else by yourself. I agree that his E was lame in multiple case but he could engage at least. Right now Taric is squishier than Janna wich should never been the case to start with..
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Shield bash is niche but right now it's weak and useless next to demolish... wich should be nerfed or removed entirely because Int sion exist thanks to demolish..
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> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=AyAqMK7A,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-26T23:06:01.940+0000)
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> sTaR gUaRdIaN uRgOt
Urgot is a bad joke and doesn't fit the theme at all. Taric does.
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> [{quoted}](name=Tarquin96,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EmEFFNyU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-26T19:38:22.690+0000)
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> Lets give leonas w a 1hp shiled,so she can use it
Well the 8.5% of 1 would be small... lmfao.
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Indeed, it feel odd playing Leona and not being able to use shield bash.
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No. Project have their own color for each of them. Asking for different color for 1 of them mean requiring the whole set to get chromas basically.
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> [{quoted}](name=Lady Faceless,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mvQlII5l,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-11-25T20:28:53.109+0000)
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> Leona belongs to the skin line as well. She is the enemy of the Coven skins.
Is She ? I didn't know.
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Still waiting for Leona skins...{{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
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Add a health bar to Windwall like Yorick cage. Once he use all the health to block ability or ranged attack the wall pop off. 4 health would be responsable.
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Gotta love sheeps who follow every pros doing.. instead of playing with their owns things.
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> [{quoted}](name=Alzon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g3sc2RZ2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-29T15:56:05.880+0000)
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> Rylai’s isn’t an issue since it’s not very strong at all, and Mallet was specifically nerfed for ranged champions. I agree that IBG should be melee-only, or at least get the Mallet treatment and have its slow potency decreased for ranged champions.
They did something a while ago, they made the AoE slow smaller for people not building armor. But i agree the slow potency should also be lowered.
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> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8HJwuKbU,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-10-22T03:00:00.986+0000)
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> Its been a popular thing in Korea for a while.
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> A.) Klepto means he can farm gold faster and upgrade his augment up quicker than usual.
> B.) Q+MS+Shield = Obnoxiously difficult to trade against as a melee. Even if you close the gap, it's a fat fuckin' shield.
> C.) Building heavy tank with an IBG in some builds for maximum tilting.
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> Put it all together as you have this bastard who will be next-to-impossible to trade with.
Exactly. Tank ekko was obnoxious for mostly the same issue.. perma slow and impossible to trade with his high defense. He gut gutted and reworked to the point tank ekko is being troll and his go to path is AP. Viktor like Ekko is a magic based champion, Ekko is half assassin but you still get the point. They were made to build AP, not tank and abuse of their kit to counter entire roster of a lane. Mage bot were annoying but they were building as intended and had counter. But champ that build tank, like Tank Ekko, Tank Yasuo, Tank akali etc.. build this to counter their intended weakness, while still dealing a good chunk of damage, thanks to base stats. They all got addressed and Tank Viktor is no exception. He need to be tunned back to build AP. I don't care if he goes top, but make him build AP to do damage, not tankyness.
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> [{quoted}](name=Olath Quortek,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=e4zQEfnL,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-10-31T17:44:06.000+0000)
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> To be fair, Viktor, while being fast, doesn't have immense mobility in the form of re-positioning and can't really heal a massive chunk of his health bar at any point.
Yea but iceborn gauntlet fix this issue by making him durable, having a easy to proc slow, boost his damage a bit less than lich bane but make his shield even more valuable as he get 20% cdr instead of 10% and alot of mana to actually spam in lane and abuse kleptomancy free proc..It's not fun to play against viktor, even if you get a decent matchup. Tank Viktor being played in world prove something is not right just like Tank ekko was everywhere in world when it was doable... If it work in Pro play with coordination, it work in soloQ.
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> [{quoted}](name=OurLestrade,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OvXxzh5,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T22:23:15.071+0000)
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> I do miss going anti-ADC mode with Valor, yes. It was very handy when I was learning since she could comfortably outduel a lot of other carries.
It was fun as hell yes.
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Wonderful montage !
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Person who downvoted, I invite you to explain me the reason as Urgot E spell isn't stated as unstoppable anywhere and should be interuptible.
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> [{quoted}](name=OurLestrade,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OvXxzh5,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T20:15:09.421+0000)
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> I played Quinn in 2013, are you getting at the Quinn and Valor name thing?
The name and the old kit for instance. I loved to turn as a bird and one shot people. She was better on bot lane also as after 6 she had an actual power spike with engage support. She was a real counter to vayne back then.
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> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OvXxzh5,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-30T20:12:25.456+0000)
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> And now i miss THE BIRB of League. I heard he had to change his job and became known as Taxi Valor. Nothing is the same without you, buddy :(
I know right :(
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> [{quoted}](name=Ætheist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OvXxzh5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-30T19:35:27.037+0000)
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> Quinn and Riven's E?
Riven E name is Valor, but Quinn bird name is Valor and it used to be the same as Nunu And Willump and they were both active in her old kit and us Quinn main miss that.
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Do the same as Quinn. They removed the blind and added nearsight. It doesn't counter autoattacker as it used to be but now it's useful against everyone.
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> [{quoted}](name=OurLestrade,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6OvXxzh5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-30T19:08:04.467+0000)
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> I'm confused.
True Quinn and Valor main will understand. If you are confused, it mean you are too young for this.
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> [{quoted}](name=UVM ZhaoRiTian,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=e8vAZXjZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-27T21:28:20.895+0000)
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> {{champion:14}} too tanky and with too much pushing power? Pick {{champion:83}}
> {{champion:17}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:112}} or other ranged champions annoying? Pick {{champion:83}}
> Don't know how to lane against braindead champions {{champion:122}}{{champion:6}} {{champion:86}}? Pick a more braindead one {{champion:83}}
I tried playing {{champion:83}} and i don't get good result.
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Nasus E could be toned down in mana cost a bit but his W should get increased in mana /cdr as a result. Perma wither is not fun.
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