Arakadia (NA)
: As a pretty gay bisexual guy, I think there are more things you can do. And to a large extent we see this more with reworks. Lots of old male designs are hunched over and wear baggy clothing. Newer designs like Ezreal are more (not as much as the females) formfitting and stand up straight. I mean most of the gaming industry is scared of giving guys nice butts too. A lot of times their flat as fuck tbh. And sure not everyone will be attracted to a Pantheon, but lots of skin and being physically fit is conventionally sexy and I think it does work for both females and males. This is mostly an issue because guys aren't sexualized to the extent or in the ways girls are, so most of the time they default to shirtless and square jaw but otherwise there isn't much. And also there is a lot of varying body types with guys in League.
I still really feel like the whole sexualization thing REALLY is more that you can't use sex appeal on a guy the same way you can with a girl. It's two different things. You don't advertise cars the same way you advertise sites like skill share because the way you interact with them is fundamentally different and they can't be compared. Especially since of how reproduction is with most animals. Women of all species that bare child birth want the male to stay around being being pregnant puts them in a very vurniable spot. However, men want to have as many children as possible to pass on their genetics. There's always the case that even if you're taking care of your offspring that they still might not make it to adult hood so most males want just as many chances as they can get. This is also why cheating nowadays is mostly an issue with guys. It's this instinctual behaviour. What women look for and what men look for in a mate is fundamentally different so I find it quite unjustified to compare depictions of sex appeal. I'm gonna be honest, I do normally like the giant tits characters either. I find it mostly just lazy when it's every champion. Someone like Eve is completely fine and honestly then I would be annoyed if she didn't because she's supposed to be the essence of lust and can just make anyone fall in love with her but she doesn't have the one thing men agree on they love? Although there are plenty of champions that are reasonable and still have boobs. Vayne doesn't have a massive set of tits, same with Soraka and Lux. I find a lot of it reasonable and honestly sometimes when I hear people complain about boob sizes, it mostly just sounds like they want every single female champion to be flat chested. The main outliers are Ashe, Miss Fortune and Ahri I guess, Ahri being just a sexual character even in lore so honestly for me, she leans to the same boat as evelynn, it would be stupid if they make her lore that she's so sexy but then she's got pimples all over her face and is as flat as a surfboard (or her personality). Ashe and Miss Fortune don't really have a reason to have big boobs but honestly? Sometimes people just have massive boobs. It's not like they are really in the times when they can get surgey to reduce that like a lot of people actually do. It just ends up being something that they live with.
: I actually do have a problem with this statement. Honestly looking at old game files make me go "Yeah that's warcraft" more than "yeah that's league" League has ALWAYS had an identity issue because it started out as a carbon copy of a Warcraft mod. Many of the first champions really show case that. If you tell me that Janna isn't at all anything like Jaina Proudmoore, I will ACTUALLY fight you because it's so glaringly obvious that it really feels like Riot stole Blizzard's homework and even to this day, never went back to really separate the two. I honestly think Riot needs to have a more upbeat and cheerful log in screen and design, not just to separate it from DOTA2 which uses lots of dark and haunting colours, but also because league was always meant to be the more accepting and forgiving version of DOTA2. I think having designs that scribbled in the outlines and were all mostly scenes of like two people fighting each other but having fun and laughing that that would be great. That to me is what league is supposed to be. It may not be entirely what it is but that doesn't change what it's goal was from the beginning. The current white and black load in screens just super remind me of pokemon's elite trainer boxes though. Like honestly. [picture](https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS780US780&biw=1600&bih=789&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNS_Rk6qrF68EyGjmw8PljkJlipQ0w%3A1570747416376&sa=1&ei=GLSfXf_IFvHn_QarhIrACg&q=pokemon+trading+card+hard+boxes&oq=pokemon+trading+card+hard+boxes&gs_l=img.3...9222.9820..10012...0.0..0.318.749.3j0j1j1......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......35i39.j3AfnPJpL3U&ved=0ahUKEwj_tKOO4pLlAhXxc98KHSuCAqgQ4dUDCAc&uact=5#imgrc=82KCtTCxjmXOAM:)
People really being liberal with the downvotes huh?
Arakadia (NA)
: I was being sarcastic, thus the "Or so I'm told". The current witch skins have thigh highs and are plentiful in sex appeal. Not all witches are sexy, but these witch skins so far have been. Anyways, the female cast has sexualization as a much more major part of their designs than the male cast. Sure someone might find Lucian hot but his body type and costume aren't designed with sex appeal in mind like most female ones are.
I don't know, I think it's just mostly a difference in view on what is considered sexy. One of the main things I guess with males is there's not much of a direct super hot area like there is for women. You can't just give every dude big pecs and muscles because not everyone will actually find that attractive, but there does generally seem to be the main theme of men playing a dominate or aggressive role and is traditionally seen as attractive. How many male supports do we have? Like 5. Pyke is actually an assassin and doesn't really support, Alistar does clearly assist but in a really aggressive way, Braum is more are the defensive side but maybe a bit over protective, everyone thinks Taric is gay but to be far he doesn't do himself any favours, also he is a SUPER sterotypical Fabio spanish love interest so I completely count that in the camp of high sex appeal, and then we got Rakan, the only real healer and just barely. He's really the only male support champion who plays like every other female support champion. Riot really has a bias towards aggressive male characters and female character with large boobs and thigh highs. This is the main issue that I have when people talk about stuff like this, I just don't think sex appeal translates to the other sex as well. I'm gay and I remember having a conversation before on why I thought someone was hot, my reasoning was "He strong and sweet and constantly shows how much he cares about others and is willing to protect them. That's what I want." It also helps that he looks like a ginger wolverine which I just find hilarious. I mean Blizzard pretty much followed the exact formula on creating hot female character when making Hanzo and it doesn't at all have the same effect. Large chest, exposed breast, his only armor is around his legs and wrists, always looks like he just ate a lemon. I mean people still find him hot but I think he is probably one of the worst boyfriend material in overwatch, completely outclassed by Lucio and Reinhardt. No question.
Arakadia (NA)
: I was being sarcastic, thus the "Or so I'm told". The current witch skins have thigh highs and are plentiful in sex appeal. Not all witches are sexy, but these witch skins so far have been. Anyways, the female cast has sexualization as a much more major part of their designs than the male cast. Sure someone might find Lucian hot but his body type and costume aren't designed with sex appeal in mind like most female ones are.
I don't know, I think it's just mostly a difference in view on what is considered sexy. One of the main things I guess with males is there's not much of a direct super hot area like there is for women. You can't just give every dude big pecs and muscles because not everyone will actually find that attractive, but there does generally seem to be the main theme of men playing a dominate or aggressive role and is traditionally seen as attractive. How many male supports do we have? Like 5. Pyke is actually an assassin and doesn't really support, Alistar does clearly assist but in a really aggressive way, Braum is more are the defensive side but maybe a bit over protective, everyone thinks Taric is gay but to be far he doesn't do himself any favours, also he is a SUPER sterotypical Fabio spanish love interest so I completely count that in the camp of high sex appeal, and then we got Rakan, the only real healer and just barely. He's really the only male support champion who plays like every other female support champion. Riot really has a bias towards aggressive male characters and female character with large boobs and thigh highs. This is the main issue that I have when people talk about stuff like this, I just don't think sex appeal translates to the other sex as well. I'm gay and I remember having a conversation before on why I thought someone was hot, my reasoning was "He strong and sweet and constantly shows how much he cares about others and is willing to protect them. That's what I want." It also helps that he looks like a ginger wolverine which I just find hilarious. I mean Blizzard pretty much followed the exact formula on creating hot female character when making Hanzo and it doesn't at all have the same effect. Large chest, exposed breast, his only armor is around his legs and wrists, always looks like he just ate a lemon. I mean people still find him hot but I think he is probably one of the worst boyfriend material in overwatch, completely outclassed by Lucio and Reinhardt. No question.
: Pyke's splashart is green but if you zoom into his model in-game, LoL or TFT, you'll come to find that he actually has dark skin. Although dark skin doesn't inherently mean blacks or that of African descent, there are other dark skinned/black skinned people out there besides just African. Indians and Pacific Islanders just to name a couple.
> [{quoted}](name=l Ryden l,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Efcwx1jE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-10T21:57:08.914+0000) > > Pyke's splashart is green but if you zoom into his model in-game, LoL or TFT, you'll come to find that he actually has dark skin. > > Although dark skin doesn't inherently mean blacks or that of African descent, there are other dark skinned/black skinned people out there besides just African. Indians and Pacific Islanders just to name a couple. Don't forget Brazil which can have some REALLY dark skin tone that's normally only associated with deep african heritage.
: > [{quoted}](name=Glorious Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jqpTRFYi,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-10T16:22:56.483+0000) > > What the actual fuck where you thinking. It is blindingly white its glaring and its no longer simple. WTF. Alright ex dee. It most definitely is more simple than the previous login. However is very white. The update also did fix many of the previous login issues. Most common is not even being able to open the launcher.
I actually can't open the launcher most time because it has league still running but not working and I have to go in and close it with task manager like five times till I finally get to the point where the play button even appears on the client.
: The house builder left out the fact that they used sub par materials and cut corners on the modern minimalist house and while its looks nice now will literally fall apart after even a bit of normal usage.
This is fair but is off topic. That's not what this post is about nor the original reply from Stephenizgod. The client itself is buggy, it always has been, new bugs appear on it all the time and never really get solved. However we are discussing the design and art assets for the new login screen which is a separate issue.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-10T00:49:12.008+0000) > > That's not true at all, warlock literally means oath breaker. > Warlocks are people who use the powers of demons and not a witch who uses the power of the natural world. Thus their ties to the autumn month and vegetation, ie: living in the woods, pumpkins, potions made of animal parts and fungus. Oh hey, someone that understands their shit getting downvotted. Welcome to the boards. Yes, there are male witches.
Yeah there was a big fiasco earlier you missed. Probably for the best though. I did find out that it's not that people actually have a problem with the idea of male witches or a male champion with a Bewitching skin, they just don't understand why I care and assume that because I do, I'm the raging tumblr user who feels like they have to actually fight people and don't agree with me which I'm not. I don't care if you agree, I just want you to understand my point.
Arakadia (NA)
: Extreme sexualization is only okay when its done to women. Guys can have their shirts off, but they aren't allowed to be any sexier than that. Or so I'm told, by much of the video game industry.
That doesn't make any sense... How does having a witch skin make you sexy? Also are you trying to tell me that no one finds like AT LEAST 60% of the male champs sexy? I should one of my friends who doesn't know anything about league, Lucian one time and her immediate reaction was "I want him to be my Daddy. NOW." Witches aren't innately sexy. Especially Lulus or Tristanas. I think even if there was this embargo on good looking dudes, we would be fine.
: That's really nice but don't you care that League is losing it's identity more with every design update? You don't look at client and say "yeah, that's League, what else could it be right". Look at the old client from 2013, that's where you are sure you are in League's client.
I actually do have a problem with this statement. Honestly looking at old game files make me go "Yeah that's warcraft" more than "yeah that's league" League has ALWAYS had an identity issue because it started out as a carbon copy of a Warcraft mod. Many of the first champions really show case that. If you tell me that Janna isn't at all anything like Jaina Proudmoore, I will ACTUALLY fight you because it's so glaringly obvious that it really feels like Riot stole Blizzard's homework and even to this day, never went back to really separate the two. I honestly think Riot needs to have a more upbeat and cheerful log in screen and design, not just to separate it from DOTA2 which uses lots of dark and haunting colours, but also because league was always meant to be the more accepting and forgiving version of DOTA2. I think having designs that scribbled in the outlines and were all mostly scenes of like two people fighting each other but having fun and laughing that that would be great. That to me is what league is supposed to be. It may not be entirely what it is but that doesn't change what it's goal was from the beginning. The current white and black load in screens just super remind me of pokemon's elite trainer boxes though. Like honestly. [picture](https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS780US780&biw=1600&bih=789&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNS_Rk6qrF68EyGjmw8PljkJlipQ0w%3A1570747416376&sa=1&ei=GLSfXf_IFvHn_QarhIrACg&q=pokemon+trading+card+hard+boxes&oq=pokemon+trading+card+hard+boxes&gs_l=img.3...9222.9820..10012...0.0..0.318.749.3j0j1j1......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......35i39.j3AfnPJpL3U&ved=0ahUKEwj_tKOO4pLlAhXxc98KHSuCAqgQ4dUDCAc&uact=5#imgrc=82KCtTCxjmXOAM:)
: We finally got rid of Garens Villain mehcanic
When Skarner finally gets a rework that makes him at least a little bit viable without him being overpowered. Aka half past never.
: new client login is AWFUL
My main issue is it's just buggy af. The whole log in screen though does remind me so much of pokemon trading cards because they love to do the just an outline for LOTS of detail with one flat color as the background.
FSRER (EUNE)
: Male Witch? Yeah, that is something the Taric subreddit might have already created...god I hope they haven't...
Is there really a problem with it? Like tell me one issue you think it will cause for there being a male champion with a Bewitching skin.
: Warlock? Shaman? Sorcerer? Magician? Also fucking Sabrina the teenage witches dad was called a witch
Warlock, Shaman, Sorcerer, and Mages are all separate things although some of them are loosely related depending on what you're looking at. The fact that there is disagreement from story to story about what is what and what the term means, means that it's totally unfair to say any of these are the same thing. You can't tell me that a male witch is called a Wizard, Warlock, Shaman, Sorcerer, or Mage and it's all correct, especially when in a lot of stories, female versions of each exist along side with witches. It just doesn't make any sense.
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T17:11:20.732+0000) > > So then what's wrong with Bewitched Rakan or Yasuo? If you now admit that Witches are irrelevant and it's entirely under Riot control, do you still have an issue with the idea of having Bewitched Shen or Lucian? > > The argument you still have is an appeal to tradition fallacy, just because it's how it's been done doesn't mean it's the way we have to keep doing it by a long shot. We wouldn't have so many good things today if we thought that way about anything. > > Can you give me like a REAL ACTUAL reason why making Bewitched skins for male champions would be a bad thing? I guess not, it was more of a problem with the way that you said it in the original post/title. After all, we have 2 Male Star Guardians now and originally the skinline was female exclusive. The same could happen to the Bewitching Skinline in a future.
I'm at least glad I was able to persuade you. I want to tell you I appreciate being able to actually discuss this with you instead of just being insulted.
Keyru (NA)
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Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-10-10T17:44:07.383+0000) > > Well I'm like 90% just being facetious. > I think Bewitched MF is really cool but I don't really play her so would love a skin similar for someone like Rakan or Ezreal, two champs I play a lot. The reason why I WANT these skins so badly is because they are so cool and I feel like I'm being left out just because the champions who get these skins aren't ones I enjoy playing. Count Kassadin looks really cool but I'm so unwilling to play Kass at all that I'm never gonna use it. I don't find him fun and in fact, most of the time he feels infuriating to play, kinda like Riven. > > The way I feel about it is like, it makes me 5% unhappy that it hasn't but would make me like 90% happy if it did. It's not like it's a glaring issue but it's a small thing that if they did, I would be extremely happy about it. So you made this whole thread, arguing with people just because champs YOU play didn't get halloween skins this year? ESPECIALLY when BOTH of those champs have gotten legendary skins this year already Let's be honestly blunt here. Riot doesn't give 2 fucks about what would make 1 singular player happy among 8 million other players. Kass hasn't gotten a skin in YEARS, so it's a good thing that he got the skin instead of Ez or Rakan who have gotten (even more than one each) skins every damn year I don't play most champs in this game, yet i don't start complaining and arguing with people on boards because my champs didn't get all of the cool skins this year Like seriously, come on
I didn't make this thread to argue, I made this thread mostly to see how open people are to the idea which is apparently violently against for no reason other than "tradition" I gave Ezreal and Rakan as examples because they are people the two champions that people would most be open to having a bewitched skin for. Yasuo also would work fine and so does Lucian. Is that better? Why do you care so much that something would make someone happy that you gotta come over and harass and insult them? That's super not cool bro. What's your actual problem? Can't you chill out a little? I never said I had an issue with Kass skins and you're acting like I'm demanding Ezreal and Rakan get more skins but I'm not. I'm just saying it would be a cool idea that maybe they could put up on their board of ideas. You've taken this way to seriously and the only thing you need that's serious is to seriously calm down. I have no idea what your issue is but don't start coming at me just because I said "I had this idea, I think it's cool." I don't need your negativty and it's certainly not welcomed.
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T17:18:21.421+0000) > > I guess not, it was more of a problem with the way that you said it in the original post/title. > > After all, we have 2 Male Star Guardians now and originally the skinline was female exclusive. The same could happen to the Bewitching Skinline in a future. Well that's not really true. Star Guardian is based around the magical girl genre which includes male characters just the same as female. They started off with female, Lux, as it was originally because the audio reference she had to sailor moon. They then slowly moved up to doing more of them because people wanted them and it just expanded. It wasn't exclusively female. Witches however are generally looked at as Female, unless you follow Wiccan culture where witches can be male or female, as the term warlock is for followers of satan (apparently). But in most people's eye's outside that Witchs are Female, Warlocks are Male. So I for one don't see us having male bewitching skins here.
One of the things is though is this argument is not against having Bewitching skins for male champions, so what's wrong with wanting one? It's just it HASN'T been done but it doesn't say it CAN'T be done. It doesn't matter what most people think, most people thought magical girls meant magical GIRLS but now we got Ezreal and Rakan. These things can change and there has been media talking about the existence of male witches, it just hasn't been progressing as well because and Western idea tends to get held captive indefinitely while people in Japan seem to be more inclined to just do what they want and figure they'll get an audience one way or another so there's no reason to just play it safe with tradition. This is what I'll ask you right here, right now. If they made a male Bewitched skin, would you hate it? Would you have a problem with it? Would you think it is an issue in any way, shape, or form?
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: I honestly don't understand why you're so pressed about this Just enjoy the cool skins
Well I'm like 90% just being facetious. I think Bewitched MF is really cool but I don't really play her so would love a skin similar for someone like Rakan or Ezreal, two champs I play a lot. The reason why I WANT these skins so badly is because they are so cool and I feel like I'm being left out just because the champions who get these skins aren't ones I enjoy playing. Count Kassadin looks really cool but I'm so unwilling to play Kass at all that I'm never gonna use it. I don't find him fun and in fact, most of the time he feels infuriating to play, kinda like Riven. The way I feel about it is like, it makes me 5% unhappy that it hasn't but would make me like 90% happy if it did. It's not like it's a glaring issue but it's a small thing that if they did, I would be extremely happy about it.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: I thought this was posted in M&G, looking at comments here. Weird.
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E8tRQLrT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-10T17:34:02.698+0000) > > I thought this was posted in M&G, looking at comments here. Weird. One of the reason I don't use a lot of forums is because it's normally like this on any post. There's a couple of really extreme leaning thinkers who chase out everyone else because they don't get punished for being horrible. It just leads to one voiced posts with no disaggrements because all the disaggrement posts were downvoted into oblivion and got people acting smug being like "I reported your post and you're gonna get banned since you can't take the criticism of me calling you an asshole on every post you make."
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T17:11:20.732+0000) > > So then what's wrong with Bewitched Rakan or Yasuo? If you now admit that Witches are irrelevant and it's entirely under Riot control, do you still have an issue with the idea of having Bewitched Shen or Lucian? > > The argument you still have is an appeal to tradition fallacy, just because it's how it's been done doesn't mean it's the way we have to keep doing it by a long shot. We wouldn't have so many good things today if we thought that way about anything. > > Can you give me like a REAL ACTUAL reason why making Bewitched skins for male champions would be a bad thing? I guess not, it was more of a problem with the way that you said it in the original post/title. After all, we have 2 Male Star Guardians now and originally the skinline was female exclusive. The same could happen to the Bewitching Skinline in a future.
Ezreal actually made me super excited, especially since it wasn't a thing like Magical Girl Site where they explained the male magical girl as, "They got confused because he likes to wear dresses". And what problem with the way I expressed myself in my post? I just said I was "kinda sad". It's not like I said it was outrageous. I gave a skin idea that I feel like most people would be accepting of, Rakan being the choice because he's a money magnet and most people are fine with him having effeminate skins it seems, didn't see any outrage about Star Guardian Rakan or people calling Riot jackasses because it was supposed to be a magical GIRL skin line. The second part was 90% a joke but honestly, it does feel super sucky when you are denied representation. Representation means a lot more when you are never represented. I mean the only male Bewitched skin could be Yasuo and I would buy it play it simply because that means a lot to me, just getting to have that for once even though I'm a support/jungle main because I suck at last hitting.
: For the record, I'm *exactly* the type of person to get strung up about semantics.
usul1202 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E8tRQLrT,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T17:00:41.947+0000) > > ..Removed by Moderation.. I mean, the response was quite harsh, but literally if you Google "define warlock" it says: "a man who practices witchcraft; a sorcerer. Similar: sorcerer, wizard, *male witch*..."
> [{quoted}](name=usul1202,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E8tRQLrT,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T17:15:59.374+0000) > > I mean, the response was quite harsh, but literally if you Google "define warlock" it says: > "a man who practices witchcraft; a sorcerer. > Similar: sorcerer, wizard, *male witch*..." Honestly that has nothing to do with this board right here, if you want to try and talking about the topic of a board, you should probably do it in that board.
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-10T00:35:07.480+0000) > > Come on! Give us like Bewitched Rakan and Count Xayah to really throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing. > I think this would be cool, but it would be Count_**ess**_ Xayah, not Count Xayah
Well Countess is just kinda symmentics, I doubt you would be super strung up about them using Count instead of Countess Xayah. People have this notion apparently that male witch skins won't sell but compare low playrate males to high playrate females. I think Bewitched Ezreal or Rakan would beat out Poppy or Cass easily. I mean they probably would beat out Lulu even with her like 6 year head start. lol
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T16:45:13.471+0000) > > Warlock was never used for male Wiccans. It's a totally different concept. > I mean if you want to use the popularly depicted argument, then Warlocks can be both male and female and denotes someone who uses powers obtained from demons. Aka not a witch. Wiccans did not used powers from demons, but that is that the Cristians believed, so, yeah, they called them like that. And regardless of all that, the game is not talking about the religious aspects of the word. Bewitching Miss Fortune is not a Wiccan... its a Witch as defined in the modern days, and now days, as i pointed out before, witch is a term used for females. And now that i mention that... technically speaking, the skinline is not even called "Witch Skins"... so, this whole conversation is pointless.
So then what's wrong with Bewitched Rakan or Yasuo? If you now admit that Witches are irrelevant and it's entirely under Riot control, do you still have an issue with the idea of having Bewitched Shen or Lucian? The argument you still have is an appeal to tradition fallacy, just because it's how it's been done doesn't mean it's the way we have to keep doing it by a long shot. We wouldn't have so many good things today if we thought that way about anything. Can you give me like a REAL ACTUAL reason why making Bewitched skins for male champions would be a bad thing?
: What would sell more? Witch Swain or Witch Kai'sa?
I think Witch Rakan would sell just fine. Like you know, the one I suggested. Also I feel like Bewitched Ezreal would sell FAR more than Count Kassadin. So...
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-10T00:35:07.480+0000) > > Come on! Give us like Bewitched Rakan and Count Xayah to really throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing. > > I really hate seeing all the media version of witches because they always act like it's a women only thing which is historically and culturally incorrect. > If you wanna take my culture and use it for skins, do it right! You mean a "Wizard"? {{champion:45}}
No. There are tons of female wizards and it's as clear as day to say Wizard is almost never used as the male verson of Witch. The ONLY example is Harry Potter but in just about every other case, it's not. This also has no historic ties to what you had to do to be considered a Witch or a Wizard when theses words were taken seriously and not as a pretend fantasy world. They have very different themes and meanings behind the word and I would like to see in media once, a male witch since I've seen so many female Wizards and Warlocks. I think it's only fair.
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: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T14:48:29.413+0000) > > But you quite are wrong in what you're saying. That's why I'm telling you that you are wrong. > Cambridge and wikipedia are both not trust worthy sites especially since you're trying to use definitions to dispute historical and cultural claims. Look up the Salem Witch trails and tell me the ratio of guys to girls who were found guilty of being a witch and then killed. > > Witch is not and has never been a term to only refer to females. It's actually a derogatory term used for Wiccans which is a belief many people held in europe before the 4th century, when everyone was forced into Christianity and is why witchcraft is trailed so heavily. Anyone worshiping or believing in anything that isn't god is herecy and worship of demons. The Wiccans didn't actually believe demons exist, let alone try to control them, it was actually people being prosecuted for a different belief. Yes, there are male and female Wiccans. And the words "Witch" and "Warlock" were created as the derogatory term used to reffer to them, Witch was used for Females and Warlock for males. Sure, now days Wiccans use the word "Witch" to talk about them with pride, regarless of the gender... But it simply not correct. And even the Wiccans have a word for female wiccans and male wiccans: The word "Wicce" pronounced (Wik-kay) designates the female and "Wicca" pronounced (Wik-kah) designates the male.
Warlock was never used for male Wiccans. It's a totally different concept. I mean if you want to use the popularly depicted argument, then Warlocks can be both male and female and denotes someone who uses powers obtained from demons. Aka not a witch.
SirEnds (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-10-10T15:20:23.083+0000) > > Untrue your just wrong, stop disagreeing just for the sake disagreeing.
I'm not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, I'm disagreeing because your statement is blatantly false. I mean alone if Warlocks are the male versons of witches, why do media also have female Warlocks? I can go play WoW right now as a female warlock and no one cares. In many fantasy settings, Wizards can also be female. This only comes with witches and it makes no sense. It's illogical and based no nothing of where the word even came form in the first place.
: And? That's just you, not the majority of the male population.
And? A majority of the population doesn't even celebrate halloween.
: When have you ever seen a male witch Halloween costume or decoration? Cause I've never seen either. Guys don't dress up as witches on Halloween. Never seen a single dude ever dress like that. Never seen any male witch costumes. Nothing.
That is anecdotal and probably because you haven't seen me. My Mother is Wiccan and so I dress up as a witch just about every halloween. Got the black pointed hat with a buckle and everything.
: Cause they're stereotypical Halloween witches and witches are a staple Halloween decoration/costume. Basically its not about historical accuracy or anything like that. Its about Halloween.
So if it's about halloween decoration and costumes Why doesn't that allow males to dress up as witches? :thinking:
SirEnds (NA)
: a witch is a woman and a warlock is a man
: > [{quoted}](name=ProExpertKing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-10-10T00:46:43.076+0000) > > Which completely ignores where the name came from and also only referring to the media verson. By this defination Baba Yaga isn't a witch, which if you tell anyone who knows anything about witches, they'll tell you that you're stupid and don't know what you're talking about. > Also then Prestige MF isn't a witch because her robes are white. "popularly depicted as wearing a black cloak and pointed hat and flying on a broomstick." does not mean always. The point is that "Witch" is a term used for FEMALES with magical powers. Baba Yaga IS a female. Saying that there are no male witches is like saying that there are no female actors... Because female actors are not called actors. Dont tell me that im wrong, tell the dictionary. https://www.etymonline.com/word/witch > witch (n.) > Old English wicce "**female magician, sorceress,**" in later use especially "a **woman** supposed to have dealings with the devil or evil spirits and to be able by their cooperation to perform supernatural acts," https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/witch > a **woman** who is believed to have magical powers and who uses them to harm or help other people Even Wikipedia says: > The Middle English word wicche did not differentiate between feminine and masculine, however the masculine meaning became less common in Standard English, being replaced by words like "wizard" and "warlock". The modern spelling witch with the medial 't' first appears in the 16th century.** In current colloquial English "witch" is almost exclusively applied to women**, and the OED has "now only dialectal" for the masculine noun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_(word)
But you quite are wrong in what you're saying. That's why I'm telling you that you are wrong. Cambridge and wikipedia are both not trust worthy sites especially since you're trying to use definitions to dispute historical and cultural claims. Look up the Salem Witch trails and tell me the ratio of guys to girls who were found guilty of being a witch and then killed. Witch is not and has never been a term to only refer to females. It's actually a derogatory term used for Wiccans which is a belief many people held in europe before the 4th century, when everyone was forced into Christianity and is why witchcraft is trailed so heavily. Anyone worshiping or believing in anything that isn't god is herecy and worship of demons. The Wiccans didn't actually believe demons exist, let alone try to control them, it was actually people being prosecuted for a different belief.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A8E7rRQv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-10T00:41:17.020+0000) > > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/witch > > witch > /wɪtʃ/ > noun > 1. > a **woman** thought to have magic powers, especially evil ones, popularly depicted as wearing a black cloak and pointed hat and flying on a broomstick. A male witch is a warlock. Happy now?
That's not true at all, warlock literally means oath breaker. Warlocks are people who use the powers of demons and not a witch who uses the power of the natural world. Thus their ties to the autumn month and vegetation, ie: living in the woods, pumpkins, potions made of animal parts and fungus.
: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/witch witch /wɪtʃ/ noun 1. a **woman** thought to have magic powers, especially evil ones, popularly depicted as wearing a black cloak and pointed hat and flying on a broomstick.
Which completely ignores where the name came from and also only referring to the media verson. By this defination Baba Yaga isn't a witch, which if you tell anyone who knows anything about witches, they'll tell you that you're stupid and don't know what you're talking about. Also then Prestige MF isn't a witch because her robes are white.
Bultz (NA)
: I really love the Count skin line, please continue it!
Too bad they are taking away TT this year. A vs event of bewitching vs count on TT would've been cool.
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: What skin lines would fit your main amazingly that you know Riot won't do?
I would love a skin of Sona where she has a Koto and the little finger pluckers or just skins of Sona where she's got some real life instruments that are similar to her in game instrument. Honestly I would love a male Witch set for Halloween because MALE WITCHES ARE NOT CALLED WARLOCKS, THEY ARE ENTIRELY SEPARATE ENTITIES AND IT'S SUPER UNCOOL TO FORCE THE SEX SEPARATION. I feel like Yi, Ezreal, and Rakan would make interesting Witches but I'm not sure if Riot would make a skin for Rakan and not have a matching one with Xayah which feels super limiting.
: Well running isnt a option but neither is "sidestepping" he misses one hook he'll still catch up to you with his w, use his e and by that time he's got his w and his hook back up. Ontop of that the hitbox is fucked too, sometimes you dont even know what direction hes going to use it. Not much you can do when you're being chased by a blitz unless you have a dash.
Maybe you should like buy boots or stop being so close to the wave where it takes him .1 second to casually stroll towards you. Plenty of adcs have movement abilities or cc so it really shouldn't be that hard unless he flashes to you and you weren't able to respond in time, which is then the fault of you and flash. Like for real, Blitz range increase is far less of a problem than Brand, Veigar, and even Pyke being support but you're over here acting like the game was fine until blitz passive stacked three times instead of just twice and now it's broken beyond repair. Come on.
: Time to admit that the blitz buffs were a HUGE mistake!
How is increasing his range removing his counter play? The main thing is you still gotta hide behind minions or the tanks. That's the counterplay, they didn't remove his ability to hook minions or monsters. Increasing range isn't removing counterplay, it's just a flat buff on a super basic champion.
Tayzzer (NA)
: I'm tired of people flaming riot on here for their lack of skill
Honestly most of the champions kits now a-days do actually have no counter play. I mean they took out point and click spells for the most part but still it feels like the same principles are in place. Before you could use QSS to block stuff like the point and click zed ult or WW's ult but now QSS has a longer cooldown than their abilities do while also being a huge drop in power from the standard build you deviated from. The only counter play to most champions abilites are flashing the enemy missing, one has a 300 second cd and the other probably means that guy wasn't a threat to begin with and doesn't tell you if what he has is broken or not. He could have a point and click ranged ability that insta kills you no matter what, but if they guy is an idiot and doesn't use it right, it won't mean anything. I hate maokai's stupid saplings so much, they run base faster than you and it's even hard to out run them as janna with boots of swiftness and they do like 20% of your max health as damage because of it's three procs it gets when you throw it in a bush. It chases you for far too long, it far too fast, and there's 0 way to get rid of it besides waiting for it to eventually expire after a full minute, meanwhile he gets to throw a new one every 4 seconds, or trying to outrun it in which you waste 5 seconds dealing with a sapling to finally explode on nothing. It's stupid and unfun and there's no reason this should be how the game is.
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Naalith (NA)
: Riot, just make a new Collection tab for Eternals. The new champions tab looks terrible
I honestly think it's just that the character portraits are too big. They both seem super cluttered but the new one atleast gives you a little bit of room to guess like what the champion is if you're new to the game.
: Yeah I don't think that should be there. New champion likely isn't coming for another month or so. We don't even have any teasers for her or anything yet. Just an image of her release skin that has been popping up on PBE for the last few patches.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VwJR2rn2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-28T12:15:51.249+0000) > > Yeah I don't think that should be there. New champion likely isn't coming for another month or so. We don't even have any teasers for her or anything yet. Just an image of her release skin that has been popping up on PBE for the last few patches. I'm sure her reveal will come out this patch & then she'll become live next patch or so.
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Sukishoo (NA)
: Nope. It's already been long confirmed that there is NO Event for Star Guardian. The next Event is in 9.19 for Worlds. Star Guardian Neeko prestige is to be released to the Prestige Store for 100 Points. So she will be there until they expire on January 31st 2020.
Ok then I didn't know and there's the prestige problem solved, pass on 9.19 and maybe 2.2k then too if there's a separate one you want
Riftn00b (EUNE)
: So if I am using datas from the site that was said to be the most accurate by Riot it means I am using fake data? Are you okay bud? Have you visited your doctor recently?
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