Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
Jamaree (NA)
: I don't think it is moot persay, but let's be honest, most of the bronze and silver QQ about champions especially on these forums boils down to: List strengths of champion while blowing them out of portion, act as if they have no weaknesses, complain about them being strong into matches (normally against the champions said player plays.), ignore all criticism about how they might be wrong, act as if there is no conceivable way that they are the ones at fault and only said champion is OP, no other possibilities. Edit: This isn't all bronze and silver players, hell, this is a lot of players, in fact, this literally is Hashinshin in a nutshell, I'm just saying this is usually how they discuss.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EA4O08f7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-20T04:23:58.574+0000) > > I don't think it is moot persay, but let's be honest, most of the bronze and silver QQ about champions especially on these forums boils down to: List strengths of champion while blowing them out of portion, act as if they have no weaknesses, complain about them being strong into matches (normally against the champions said player plays.), ignore all criticism about how they might be wrong, act as if there is no conceivable way that they are the ones at fault and only said champion is OP, no other possibilities. Well that's probably due to the fact that low elo play is a mess compared to higher elo play. Take most assassins for example, most people in low elo hate playing against them because of the tendency of players in silver/bronze to not ward. So when they roam off a wave they're more than likely to get kills and snowball harder than normal because somebody didn't put river vision up. There's also very little consistency so there are players who make certain champions look extremely over powered or extremely useless based on their play.
: Silver is so stressful.
I agree, especially from a role that's not traditionally seen as a carry role. You can win lane as a support, but the rest of your team is negative or has been feeding all game? There's almost nothing you can do outside of a throw by the enemy or a miracle team fight to turn the game around because they need gold and they need items, but most people don't understand that you don't need to fight to get back into the game unless there are inhib turrets on the line. It's also extremely frustrating to play solo because it feels like there's nothing consistent between game to game. I could have an amazing ADC one game, then get an ADC who's playing their first ever game of something like {{champion:202}}. We could be down to inhib turrets in less than 20 minutes or a single turret could not have gone down in the first 15 minutes.
: How to think when you play with low elo friends.
Honestly the thing I hate about this elo is that so many people are keyboard warriors that have the mentality of "I'm already better than every single player on my team, but it's not my fault I'm stuck at (insert whatever rank here)". So as somebody who's trying to improve and get out of what's honestly one of the worst elos to climb out of in silver, it's hard to keep composed/positive when people throw their mistakes on somebody who had nothing to do with their individual play. Doesn't help that support feels like a coin flip down here (stuff like better adc wins, teams throwing away leads, etc.)
: The Question of the Ages: Is Yasuo OP?
I think he's balanced if you know how to play against him and don't really depend on skill shots to deal with him, but as somebody who has been trying to play more mid laners like {{champion:4}} it's extremely unfun to play against as he just windwalls and invalidates 100% of your kit while it's up. The fact that it blocks all projectiles makes it extremely frustrating due to how many skill shots count as projectiles. Also at low elo when your jungler is doing whatever the hell they please it gets super annoying to have to deal with the mobility and wave clear he has to shove you under turret and what do most people say to do against {{champion:157}} ? Camp his lane which almost no jungler does, no matter how hard he's shoving the lane in
Samael11 (NA)
: Something seems seriously wrong with players this season...
It's worse as a support player than anything, especially in the silver ranks where every game feels like a coin flip or it's lost from the start due to draft issues. Plus you get into the territory of people flaming you for their mistakes. ADC takes a 1v2 while you're nowhere near them and loses? Your fault. Assassin 1v5 dives under a tier 3 with no minions? Your fault.
Rioter Comments
: What's taken the fun out of league for you?
* The hypocrisy behind the role I play (support), because the community screams it wants interactive supports, but then when you can't play one champion into them say somebody like {{champion:238}} or {{champion:91}} they start saying support is broken or over powered and they should be ward bots again (something a large number of players now a days say was a bad thing and supports are better for having impact). Plus the support players don't even dictate the buffs and nerfs for the role we play, most often we receive nerfs due to other lanes abusing our items (i.e look at {{champion:41}} and {{item:3307}}, {{champion:75}} and {{item:3301}} etc.) * It honestly seems that the balance team has no idea what it's doing, buffs and nerfs for champs seem extremely geared towards competitive while something can sit on public servers for months broken as hell (looking at something like {{item:3147}} or {{champion:142}} on release) and things like the new AP nerfs are going to delete mages from regular play, I don't even play mid any more but I know I wouldn't be able to play somebody like {{champion:61}} or {{champion:103}} due to those changes and how mana dependent they are. * The comeback potential is gone in most games, if you fall behind literally the only chance you have to get back into the game is if the enemy team throws hard enough for you to overcome whatever gold deficit you've occurred before the enemy team started throwing. Things like the baron buff and the 2nd elder drake buff really hurt any potential for a team that's behind to mount any kind of credible comeback, especially since the team that's ahead more than likely has the stronger ADC. * The game just feels way too reliant on ADCs at the moment, the better ADC usually wins you the game. Runes like overheal, fleet footwork, etc. Just make them way too safe with the items that all ADCs build and crit is just simply way too effective with item builds like this: {{item:3031}} + {{item:3094}} + {{item:3087}} or {{item:3508}} + {{item:3094}} + {{item:3031}}
: the hardest part about being a good support (that took me 3 years to master) is when to realize my ally is dead... and not go in and try to save them and get myself killed as well. you have NO IDEA how hard it is to stop yourself from trying to save them... but yeah.. i have had my team who was 15 kill behind try to force a 4v5 fight and ask.. "why am i splitpushing as support {{champion:25}} " and im like... because im taking the free objective and im not going to force a fight when we are absurdly behind. and they like "we would have won if you were there" LOL RIGHT... just like you won the last 3 times we fought and got aced that GAVE them the 15 kill lead... besides we have a splitpush comp , with a with a {{champion:75}} top and a jungle {{champion:23}} but noo they have to try to force every damn fight
I know the feeling, started out Bronze 2 when I first started playing (almost silver 2 now, hooray for promos!) and that's one of the things you learn from low elo quickly. I will also say playing a support teaches you when game is absolutely over and when you still have a chance to get back into it and win. What's great though is when your team knows you're in the jungle getting vision for drake/baron/rift and they go and take the fight anyways, then blame you for wanting to get vision control over an objective that's usually worth more over the course of the game than kills are. Then flame you when there's no vision what so ever (even though warding is a team objective and not only the support's job)
Rioter Comments
: What are some of the most painful moments you experience ingame?
When you're carrying a game as a support, you win lane, help your team take objectives and good team fights then your team collectively just throws the game and flames you for being a bad support...
Rioter Comments
: I challenge thee to trigger the gameplay boards in ten words or less.
First one "Twitch is perfectly fine and doesn't need nerfs" Second one: "Sona (7.23/.24) isn't OP, just get good"
: "your main has no counters.." oh really? - list your counters game
As somebody who used to play a lot of {{champion:37}} The main counters were: {{champion:12}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:201}} Which is funny because people said Sona was too strong but you dive her level 2 or 3 she dies almost instantly. Now I play {{champion:12}} mostly and his counters include: {{champion:40}} (who is just plain annoying) {{champion:201}} (counter engage ftw) {{champion:267}} (counter engage part 2 electric boogaloo) and {{champion:44}} (you can't kill what's invincible).
: You're now a Rioter. What's the first (reasonable/semi-reasonable) thing you do?
Make lethality not apply to ranged abilities so I can stop seeing {{champion:21}} and not have a bot lane dominated by an ADC with a ridiculous amount of poke.

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