: Nunu, Willump, and Trundle
Trundle is in dire need of a lore update so yes. At first, Willump would probably be on his guard around Trundle since, well, he's the king of the trolls. I imagine Trundle would encounter them after a raid and when he reports to Lissandra. Also, where is it stated that Trundle is not large without the boneshiver? It can clearly be seen in Ryze's trailer that he is a giant.
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TXNoyhpa,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-12-09T13:23:11.142+0000) > > Sylas isn't a character lore-wise, he is a plot device. A plot device to achieve _what_?
Don't listen to that guy. He gives out the most boring answers. If given the chance or what, he'd probably say all champions are the way they are because Riot said so and that's it. Disregarding the lore on why they are that way. Sylas isn't a plot device. He is his own character. Demacia would've soon fall one way or another because of Kayle or something else.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pyronaaxa,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EouGKaag,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-12-05T13:24:29.113+0000) > > I don't know about that. > > Warwick has a fast regenerative factor and going by his animalistic traits, he probably has superior strength, speed, smell, hearing and sight. superior strength, speed, hearing and sight are all debatable Camille has augments shes not just a weaponized granny and she likely has far more experience than Warwick, if Warwick doesn't get the drop on her; which if he is attempting to hunt Camille down, with her information network she'd probably be aware of any attempt on her life, and Warwick has never been about 'surprising people' he has surprising feats to his name, the long jump in his cinematic for example, but Camille has been enhanced for combat and likely would kill Warwick. That is not to say it would be easy, but Warwick would likely die if he dared to try to fight Camille. That being said I still don't see any reason for them to ever care for each other especially when it seems they have similar goals (in killing Chembarons)
Wasn't Warwick made for combat as well since that's why Singed made him that way? I think superior strength and speed are a given since Warwick was combined with whatever beasts Singed merged him with. Hearing is also a given as well, those large ears mean better hearing.
: After the clash Camille will have a new rug. She will not fight WW unless she plans the fight good enough to be sure to win. If she fails, she can escape. WW is hard to escape from, but Camille can probably outrun him with her devices On the other hand WW isn't going to escape if fight goes bad for him. However, if WW is the one ambushing her on her mission in Zaun, he has a chance to win this.
I think Warwick has the necessary tools to avoid her traps such as better hearing, smell and sight due to him having animalistic traits. I'm confident to say that Camille will not be able to outrun Warwick at all. 3DMG gear or whatever her ropes/strings are called can only get you so far from a beast who chases through buildings at high speeds especially in a cramped up place like Zaun. Warwick always says " I know Zaun's streets like the back of my claws"
: pretty sure camille doesn't care but given what she's capable of she'd probably beat warwick considering Camille is like a secret police force or something and warwick is like a well murderous vigilante although tbh still don't think she'd care she did let {{champion:222}} blow up piltover after all so she probably has different priorities than warwick, especially since they both seem to be after chembarons Hell they might even end up teaming up or something, that'd be cool
I don't know about that. Warwick has a fast regenerative factor and going by his animalistic traits, he probably has superior strength, speed, smell, hearing and sight.
: It stings a little to admit it, but I think think Camille would clearly win. Let's be real, Warwick isn't the smartest, neither is he extraordinary skilled in combat, at least not since his transition. All he has going for him are his animalistic abilities. While he is able to do some basic planning to lure out certain targets as seen in his color story, once actual combat begins he is completely driven by instinct. While for most people facing an enraged wolf-bat-fox-and-whatever-else-Singed-put-in-him chimera is certain death, I believe Camille will be able to handle the situation with relative ease, given her superior weaponry, calm and calculated demeanor, and combat experience. And that's completely neglecting the fact that Camille is the aggressor in your scenario. She'd have all the time in the world to plan ahead or gather intel in order to craft the perfect trap or weapon against Warwick, should she deem those means necessary.
Then let's turn things around and say Warwick is hunting her down. What happens then? I feel like Warwick's regenerative factor even things out a bit. The guy regenerated from near death. Warwick has superior strength and speed due to being a mix of beasts. Better hearing, sight and smell would probably help him avoid whatever traps Camille made.
: Camille. It's not even a contest. A better opponent would be Urgot Imo.
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: no, probably if people want it bad enough they'll eventually make a skin for people that like his current lore, but it looks like he will be kept more traditional to apeace the mains
If so, then he may as well be not VGU'D at all. Again, there are Volibear mains who want eldritch war god. Again, Volibear subreddit is not a good sample size.
GreenLore (EUW)
: I doubt they'd do that because then you'd still have eldritch Voli in the game and you couldn't separate him from regular Voli, which would likely still piss of the Voli mains who are the reason for this direction in the first place. I'd say at this point it is more likely that we'll get a skin and hopefully a new champ(possibly an Ursine) based on this direction.
> you'd still have eldritch Voli in the game That's the entire point. There are many Volibear mains that want the eldritch looking bear war god. Volibear mains subreddit is not a good sample size at all. There are Volibear mains that don't even know there is a subreddit for him. If he is to get the Eldritch skin then it may as well be the Classic version since many people prefer it over the naked civilized bear god. An ursine in this direction will basically be just a downgraded version of voli since they are just bears. People wanted Volibear as an eldritch being war god. Not a new bear champ. The reason why Volibear got the most votes to be VGU'D rather than champs like Mundo is because they were thrilled to get an eldritch being war god. If we are just going to cater to Volibear mains subreddit then he may as well be not VGU'D at all since they don't want anything to be changed.
Corvega (NA)
: He is a warmonger yes, which makes him sort of ruthless and violent. But a bear with swords coming out of him and like 6 pairs of eyes and a bunch of other crap. That is not Volibear. His followers were like that sure. Maybe they can just make one of those shaman followers a new champion, but I don't see why replacing Volibear with this concept is so important to people. LEAVE {{champion:106}} ALONE. MAKE YOUR OWN CHAMPION.
Well Volibear before his lore update was just suppose to be a bear war shaman. Now he is a ferocious, wild and terrifying god of war. There's a pretty huge gap of what he was once really was. New Volibear which is terrifying, savage and is a wild god of war is the Volibear now.
: That is a fair middle ground but on the other hand I know Riot would straight up discard the eldritch horror aspect all together. People complained very loudly on Reddit abkut the concept, which I personally found very refreshing and original.
I don't really think so. Half of the Volibear mains really like the way new Volibear was depicted. When they saw his new visuals in the road map, they were comepletely disappointed. He looked like a huge furry. He looked more human instead of bear. He looked calm, not ferocious, more controlled and not wild at all.
Kelg (NA)
: The monster Volibear was just an image of him through Udyr's point of view, rather than his actual self, confirmed by riot. The one you play as will be the actual volibear, how he truly is. The best they could do is make an eldritch abomination legendary skin for Voli tbh, that way they don't upset voli mains.
So what? Valibear is actually just a misunderstood war god? That he is actually wise and calm? That is such a major letdown and is a cliche boring concept. As someone else said, literally everyone sees him in a complete opposite way. There is absolutely no way that he would be misunderstood at all. Even Ornn, his brother, bloody hates the guy.
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: Its literally said in his bio that he allowed Lb to deceive him aka banish him in his realm. While before it was unknown to him. For the purpose to make him more smart scary etc.
And that seems off because? Morde's motto is "Destiny. Domination. Deceit" meaning he doesn't rely on strength alone. He isn't a dumb brutish warlord. His plan was to massacre thousands of people and claim them in the afterlife. He knew that in his conquest that he would have to return to the afterlife. The Black Rose betraying him was a part of his plan to return to his afterlife to claim the souls.
: What's The Deal With LeBlanc?
Leblanc, imo, is similar to that of an evil fairy godmother that grants wishes with ulterior motives. I dunno though, did she really fail? She has the armor of Mordekaiser and I doubt that she'd let anybody get near it. Being the master of whispers/planner/deceiver as she seems to be, she'll probably know who would want to bring Morde back.
: I think the whole Morde intended it was a last-minute change, just to make him more of the big bad.
Leblanc decieving Morde has been there since before Morde got his rework and update though. Besides, there's nothing that seems to be off with Morde planning it? On a sidenote, Bruh no offense, every time I see you comment on a post. It's always about league lore or the game itself going downhill. It's ok to think the lore is bad but that doesn't mean you should answer every post with "league lore is bad and writers dont know shit". It's just unnecessary and isn't really what people are asking about. In short, you shouldn't really say league is done for yadda yadda if people aren't asking about it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pyronaaxa,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KAFwlEO1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-07T11:45:56.639+0000) > > Yes, I believe so. > > Mostly because Aatrox seems to be referring that he killed gods like Ornn. > > This is how I imagined the assault on Freljord went. > > The Darkin and their armies enter Freljord. > > Proceed to slaughter and enslave the inhabitants. > > Spirit Gods like Ornn attempt to defend their homeland but also fell prey to the slaughter when powerful darkins like Aatrox, Varus, Rhaast and Cebotaru targetted them personally. > > The Darkin and their forces reach the deepest part of Freljord. > > Anivia, Volibear, Lissandra and quite possibly Trundle and their armies faced off against them. > > The mortal armies of the Darkin quickly fall to the cold or the trolls and the lesser Darkins were killed by the spirit gods and Lissandra. > > The stronger darkins retreat for the time being and left Freljord. > > End. > > Personally, I think Anivia and the Volibear went to war against the Darkin. > > I find it hard to believe that the Volibear wouldn't even dare join a war against equally powerful beings and that Anivia was for some reason in her egg form at the time. I actually like the way you described the possible event. I will say I do not think that the rest the darkin retreated as they never struck me as someone who would retreat and I am not sure their own ego would let that happen. I guess it is still possible... I mean Anivia being in an egg and Voli not noticing is not probable but for the sake of arguing about how lissandra would handle it by herself I did opt to leave the demigods out. Interesting you mention Trundle but this is also a question if he was alive at that time and if not I do agree that trolls definitely fought them.
As far as I believe, Trolls have excellent regenerative capabilities. It would lead me to believe that they can live for a very long time and assuming that their affinity to the ice slows the aging process. Darkin, as prideful as they are, know when a battle is lost and I doubt they'd want to die in barren wasteland far from their home.
: Darkin Invasion in Freljord
Yes, I believe so. Mostly because Aatrox seems to be referring that he killed gods like Ornn. This is how I imagined the assault on Freljord went. The Darkin and their armies enter Freljord. Proceed to slaughter and enslave the inhabitants. Spirit Gods like Ornn attempt to defend their homeland but also fell prey to the slaughter when powerful darkins like Aatrox, Varus, Rhaast and Cebotaru targetted them personally. The Darkin and their forces reach the deepest part of Freljord. Anivia, Volibear, Lissandra and quite possibly Trundle and their armies faced off against them. The mortal armies of the Darkin quickly fall to the cold or the trolls and the lesser Darkins were killed by the spirit gods and Lissandra. The stronger darkins retreat for the time being and left Freljord. End. Personally, I think Anivia and the Volibear went to war against the Darkin. I find it hard to believe that the Volibear wouldn't even dare join a war against equally powerful beings and that Anivia was for some reason in her egg form at the time.
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: If Warwick became an honest man because of these memories with Jinx and has taken her in as his child, then he shouldn't be "not wanting to remember". Taking her in is his redemption, in this case, forgetting her is not an option in my opinion. Don't know, I think this quote does not fit in with Warwick being her caretaker. Makes no sense for me why he should say that in this situation. I think it just makes sense when he is running away from something he actually didn't cope with in some way. There is a trauma in his past that he never worked through. And I think killing Jinx' and Vi's parents is this trauma.
He isn't really an honest man anymore or trying to be. Warwick has already forgotten who he was before and doesn't want to remember who he was because it pains him to remember. Warwick as he is now isn't really trying to redeem himself. He is a bloodthirsty beast now. Forgetting her is an option in this case because he thinks the past doesn't matter anymore and that he kills criminals deserving of it.
: I doubt that he is their father. I think he was personally involved in their story, but not as their father. Especially the quote towards Jinx "you were there.... LET ME FORGET!" kinda speaks against that theory in my opinion. That is something a loving caretaker wouldn't say to his child. My own theory, about which I made an own thread, is that Warwick killed Vi's and Jinx' parents.
I interpret that quote as Warwick not wanting to remember her because it really pains him to remember her and that he is trying to forget who he really was in the past.
: why does jinx shoot her dad in game then (hes a caretaker/father)? i thought my family is messed up. lmao anyways i dont see a reason that he is related to her i mean Vi is the sister of jinx so... Vi doesnt have any story into warwick. if hes a father of jinx then he should know Vi.
Well, Vi hasn't really had any updated story in a long time and if she does get one, it's usually between her and Cait. Maybe Jinx was the favourite and did more for warwick? Vi might've been the rebellious one, always went outside and didn't do anything therefore warwick doesn't remember her much but remembers jinx?
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: The Unifying Theory of Rhaast
Aatrox tells that he did not think his fellows weak. Meaning Rhaast is darkin just like him. Rhaast doesn't seem traumatized because it'd quite possible that it broke his mind and went insane. Pantheon is dead. It's Atreus who is the new pantheon and he doesn't any Darkin aside from Aatrox unlike Old Panth. Maybe it's because he likes to kill and that's just it. It's more likely he is referring to the immortality of the Ascended. Good try though.
Sancre (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi2,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8ZIWRmb9,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-08T21:52:48.835+0000) > > Tbh even if Kayn is exceptional and mentally strong i don't think he should be able to defeat Rhast. Rhast is an ascended he should be above any human by default. Does Kayn ever gets to really defeat Rhaast? Rhaast is inmmortal by virtue of his curse, if it was that easy Aatrox would have tried that already. What probably happens is that Kayn suffocates Rhaast with shadow magic, sending him to sleep and leaving behind the power of an ascended (but not the Darkin Blood Magic). When Kayn finally dies, and his shadow magic can no longer affect Rhaast, he will probably wake up, finding an old and decrepit corpse, useless to him... If Kayn didn't get the Ascended's inmortality when becoming Shadow Assassin that is...
Kayn has no way of winning against Rhaast. Suffocate him with shadow magic? It won't work. Rhaast is already suffocating in his weapon for thousands of years. The inevitable end is that Rhaast wins.
Jaspers (EUW)
: While technically Rhaast is a side character to Kayn, the main character. Renekton has development. He's a great warrior living in his brother's shadow, was a brilliant fighter and lead Shuriman's armies to many victories as a man. Having done wrongs, he tries to atone for them but sacrificing himself for his brother then sacrificing himself again to save Shurima. He is now a shell of that man, tormented by a deranged Xerath for centuries in an magic tomb, his mind tricked and twisted. Rhaast is a homicidal maniac, this is great for his character and all his character needs. You want to make Rhaast relateable? No thanks. Murdering nutjob is a great characterisation already.
Side character to Kayn? Yeah no. Rhaast is Kayn's villain Without Rhaast, Kayn is nothing. Just another person in Zed's group. The only reason Kayn looks like the main character is because he was given lore. They had lore in store for Rhaast but the writer left before finishing it. In no way is Rhaast a side character to Kayn. You're implying that Kayn will win in the end because he's the main character but what will happen in the end is Rhaast consuming Kayn because let's be honest, A demigod warrior fueled by the sun vs a teenage shadow assassin? Demigod warrior wins everytime.
: Honestly this is some good thinking but I believe that Lissandra will not be affiliated with Trundle after Trundle gets his update. Sadly...
GreenLore (EUW)
: Sejuani offered Volibear a war. A single raid on a village isn't a war. Udyr even told Voli that he won't allow him to take Sejuani, implying that Voli is intending to stay with her, at least for now.
Voli is the only thing to be afraid of. The rest of the Ursine Clan are not to be feared by the trolls. Who's to say that Anivia and Ashe's clan won't fight Voli and the Winter's claw while the trolls raid their villages? I'm not saying that the trolls would win fighting the two tribes head on. They would win by picking parts of the tribes one by one. Anivia and Volibear aren't omnipresent as far as I'm concerned.
GreenLore (EUW)
: I think the Olaf comic wasn't canon, it was fanmade(doesn't change the fact that Trundle is fricking huge though). However I'm not too sure if the Trolls would be enough to really drive Ashe and Sejuani into a corner, especially since Sejuani has Volibear on her side and Ashe will likely have Anivia on hers, 2 powerful demigods, who might be able to hold off the trolls on their own.
It's unknown if Volibear and Anivia will actually interfere in the affairs. Sejuani's deal with Volibear ended with the raid on a certain village. Eŕ
EdgeLady (NA)
: The trolls have a lot more potential than people give them credit for, especially with Trundle leading them. He might not be book smart, but he can keep his wits in a fight and use them to outsmart more powerful opponents. That makes them formidable foes to the beasts of the Ursine cult and whatever beasts Ashe and Sejuani can bring into their armies. Besides Lissandra herself, the only Freljordian champions who could easily crush the trolls would be the demigods, and that's if and when they decide to join the fight against Lissandra at all. Chances are we'll need to see them settle their spats among themselves before they band together against any sort of common foe. Then there's Braum, but we don't have any concrete lore on him to know how powerful he actually is. I suppose Olaf might stand a chance against them because of ironic prophecies and all, but that won't stop the trolls from destroying the rest of the Winter's Claw while he's charging headfirst into their battle lines. Oh, and I shouldn't forget about Gnar and Willump (with Nunu), but we have yet to see either of them in a real fight in the current lore. Trundle vs Nunu and Willump might be a pretty even matchup (lore-wise), but who knows about Gnar.
Gnar might have a chance if he's in Mega Gnar form. I heard that Mega Gnar is pretty gigantic in lore. I think Nunu and Willump's affinity to frost won't have an effect on Trundle since he is extremely adapted to the frozen barren wasteland environment on Freljord. However they moght have powers that I am not aware of.
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: All of the Frostguard. And the Watchers, more importantly. Having an "army" of basically wild apes who only follow Trundle because he is slightly larger than the rest of them isn't more beneficial than a group of people.
The Watchers are frozen solid underground. Her beings allies with the Frostguard is a given already ever since her debut. It's not like they were made jsut now to be her allies. She is their leader. Those "wild apes" follow Trundle who also follows Lissandra. I didn't say Trundle is slightly larger than the rest of the trolls. I said that all of them are giants. Not just Trundle. In terms of firepower or what, I'd take an army of giant trolls over a group of humans.
: No, Lissandra has human allies now.
Are they notable? Who? Are they outside of her frost borne group? Having a frost giant (troll) army is more beneficial than a group.
: Well.... he really has no relevance to the story. Like Rammus, or Ivern, or Kindred, or most of the demons. They exist in the world, possibly in the vicinity of and interacting with other champions; but they don't play a role in the greater narrative. Trundle's just a troll. He doesn't have a connection to the Iceborn like the human Freljordians, nor the Void like the Watchers. And he's not a demigod. He's just kinda there. Which is fitting.
Well, Trundle is Lissandra's only ally. He may not have relevance now but he might or will have in the future. The story goes that Lissandra hired Trundle to gather a troll army which is a huge thing. Trolls are basically Frost Giants as seen in Ryze's trailer. They have a strong affinity to Frost and possibly True Ice. If they were to be gathered as an army, they would be able to conquer most of Freljord with only a few exceptions stopping them like the Ursa or the demigods. Backed up by a powerful mage, they would have possible knowledge about the other factions. Also, they don't have relevance right now because Riot didn't update him.
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: Can rhaast be as strong as aatrox
They probably would be at the same level of power. Due to Rhaast's dialogue with Aatrox, we know that they are equal in skill while the former is more into speed and the latter into strength. Xerath is the most powerful Ascended to date. He was able to take on Nasus and Renekton at the same time, seconds after he ascends meaning he had no idea how to use the power he had before. Now that thousands of years has passed, Xerath knows more than enough to control and use his powers. Rhaast as he is now can't fight him. Xerath would just disintegrate the bodies around him, rendering Rhaast incapacitated.
: Two sisters and a wolf [Lore theory about Jinx, Vi, and Warwick]
I always thought Warwick was their father but you have a point there.
d00mface (EUW)
: Why would they fight? They're boyfriends. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Pika Fox (NA)
: Mord would win, easily. Aatrox is old, worn out and weak. He is no longer anywhere remotely close to his prime, and cant even exist for an extended period of time since no host can actually handle his weakened power.
But what about Pre-Darkin Aatrox?
: We don’t know how Morde’s Necromancy interacts with Celestial magic. For all we know Morde could imprison a Darkin weapon in his own Shadow realm and render it moot. Edit: Morde could probably wield a Darkin weapon
Yeah, he could imprison on it inside but only for a few seconds before returning because it isn't really dead so it doesn't belong in the Death Realm.
Jaspers (EUW)
: I know you didn't but but they aren't Ascended, they are souls trapped in weapons malforming bodies. A weapon is still just that an inanimate thing, drop it and it stays there. Disconnect the weapon from the host, what do you get? Send a body to the death realm but leave the sword, what do you get? Just saying Ascended's die to make sure people know they do. I think everyone makes too much of Ascendeds/Darkins and make them out to be too powerful. Also think people make out like Aspects are too powerful too, beating a Pantheon is not a feat, everyone has done it. :P Pretty sure throw anyone (other the voidborn obviously) into the Void they'd die, Aatrox and Morde alike.
Only two people have been stated in lore to be able to kill Pantheon. Aurelion Sol and Aatrox. I don't know where you're getting that from. I agree with you about the darkin sword stuff but Ascended Aatrox has been stated to kill beings like Ornn. Something I haven't seen Morde do at all and safe to say that he couldn't do so to a similar being. Nasus killing one and Taanari killing one kinda don't mean anything because the beings in mentioned are the same as them. 3 ascended and Setaka died to the Void which we can all say has even more destructive and corruptive power than Mordekaiser.
: Well I’m going to give Mordekaiser the edge due to his knowledge in magic. Aatrox’ Blood magic can’t really affect the Tinhead, and if anyone can understand and use magic powerful enough to destroy a Darkin, it would be Mordekaiser. I somehowe doubt that’s Aatrox has the magical know-how to permanently destroy Mordekaiser, if even just killing Mordekaiser is possible. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Mordekaiser could take on all five of the Darkin, at the very least, the three we’ve already seen. As for the respective armies, I’ll give that to Mordekaiser. Army of ghosts tends to outmatch army of thralls.
Don't know about that. I seriously doubt Mordekaiser can destroy a curse made from celestial magic by the Aspect Of Twilight. We all know that the Aspect of Twilight is one of the most powerful beings in the universe that can affect the world on a global scale unlike Morde. Neither does Morde because necromancy and spirit magic won't cut it and again, the curse was made with celestial magic. You're overrestimating Mordekaiser's capabilities. Mordekaiser won't be able to handle even two and even more, three celestial/sun powered god warriors. Sure but Aatrox would use and meld his army into his own and improve his form even more. He would become gigantic and then he'll be able to take care of the army of ghosts and Morde.
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: Demigods vs. Lissandra
Feels like if Volibear wants to finish the job then he could. I think we can say that Volibear/Ornn/Anivia are much more powerful than the other demigods and are essentially, the Big Three. I'm cinfident to aay that Lissandra won't be able to remove Ornn or Volibear at all. Also, were you thinking of Blackforst Anivia when you said Liss plans on corrupting her?
Jaspers (EUW)
: I'd rather he lacks it so he stays this homicidal maniac we have, what are they going to do? Make him relateable? Please, nut job wants to do nothing but kill, let him stay that way. BUT having something would be nice, the champ is Kayn mind you, so he has the bulk but Rhaast plays a big role so why not something.
They don't have to really make him relatable but he should really have a backstory on either how he became worthy of ascension or during his prime and fallen days.
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