Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AbAABcZH,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:38:10.374+0000) > > He was annoying but not Op as everyone pretend. He remain fairly squishy for an engager and as a main support ,I always found Pyke to be freelo. You basically pick a better engage support and Pyke end worthless. He only became a problem as the gold ge get from his ult make him snowball like crazy. Thats my only issue against him. People don't like him because he's too forgiving for what he really is. He's an assassin that hooks, but can engage and disengage easily and basically deny almost all damage done in a heavy poke lane, making your enemy's role irrelevant, and on top of that you have a secure kill tool with resets and just snowballs, and now even harder with more gold income. People already complained about Pyke before, it's just more now because he even got buffed, when there was no need for it. He didn't just become a problem with the gold he gets from his ult now, it just made it worse.
> [{quoted}](name=Ðeviruchi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AbAABcZH,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:58:06.706+0000) > > People don't like him because he's too forgiving for what he really is. He's an assassin that hooks, but can engage and disengage easily and basically deny almost all damage done in a heavy poke lane, making your enemy's role irrelevant, and on top of that you have a secure kill tool with resets and just snowballs, and now even harder with more gold income. People already complained about Pyke before, it's just more now because he even got buffed, when there was no need for it. He didn't just become a problem with the gold he gets from his ult now, it just made it worse. For you maybe, I never had problem with Pyke in the past. His kit is surely annoying for not really a problem, for me at least.
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AbAABcZH,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:25:13.952+0000) > >the only thing that make Pyke unbearing right now is the gold he get from his ultimate Uhm, no. That was just the last straw that his kit didn't need in the first place. He was still problematic before, and the fact that Riot thought he actually needed a buff is worrying. But we all knew why, he was getting a skin.
> [{quoted}](name=Ðeviruchi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AbAABcZH,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:32:44.075+0000) > > Uhm, no. That was just the last straw that his kit didn't need in the first place. He was still problematic before, and the fact that Riot thought he actually needed a buff is worrying. But we all knew why, he was getting a skin. He was annoying but not Op as everyone pretend. He remain fairly squishy for an engager and as a main support ,I always found Pyke to be freelo. You basically pick a better engage support and Pyke end worthless. He only became a problem as the gold ge get from his ult make him snowball like crazy. Thats my only issue against him.
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AbAABcZH,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T00:50:22.977+0000) > > Yea but not his damage or stealth or whatever. ...But it's a nerf.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AbAABcZH,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T12:58:31.231+0000) > > ...But it's a nerf. Yea but everyone ask nerf to his damage, sustain, escape tool and his execute when tthe only thing that make Pyke unbearing right now is the gold he get from his ultimate. Its a nerf but he deserve it.
: Quinn does need some tuning, though I'm not sure how offhand. She DOES have a critical strike scaling in Harrier's cooldown, so that's a start. For what it's worth, I never got the point of her old ultimate from a game standpoint. I mean, Quinn's a marksman. She builds pretty squishy. Then her ultimate turned her into Master Yi, except without any of Master Yi's defensive capabilities that let him work as a melee carry _(Slow immunity, Q dodge, W damage reduction, etc...)_.
> [{quoted}](name=Reaversal,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-23T02:11:27.787+0000) > > Quinn does need some tuning, though I'm not sure how offhand. She DOES have a critical strike scaling in Harrier's cooldown, so that's a start. > > For what it's worth, I never got the point of her old ultimate from a game standpoint. I mean, Quinn's a marksman. She builds pretty squishy. Then her ultimate turned her into Master Yi, except without any of Master Yi's defensive capabilities that let him work as a melee carry _(Slow immunity, Q dodge, W damage reduction, etc...)_. I agree, her ultimate was a let down for many, but the concept was nice, some tuning would be required but going extremely fast and crushing enemy adc by surprise was amazing. Also bird going crazy .
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AbAABcZH,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-08-23T00:19:02.219+0000) > > I mean his previous ultimate gold generation was fine, the buff was unneccesary. But removing it would be a nerf. "Don't nerf him, nerf him instead" is what you're saying.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AbAABcZH,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T00:29:05.768+0000) > > But removing it would be a nerf. > > "Don't nerf him, nerf him instead" is what you're saying. Yea but not his damage or stealth or whatever.
: So...That's...a nerf?
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AbAABcZH,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-23T00:09:13.998+0000) > > So...That's...a nerf? I mean his previous ultimate gold generation was fine, the buff was unneccesary.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T22:25:40.280+0000) > > Its boring to win because you face melee tbh. It feel like being a jerk and people hate her for that. Doesn't make me proud . Yeah. Really any matchup decided in champ select is unfun
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T22:35:56.576+0000) > > Yeah. Really any matchup decided in champ select is unfun Yea, It feel extremely bad.
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:20:54.573+0000) > > Yea thats how I feel whenever I play her. She feel like Udyr, strong but without real ultimate so you don't see or feel real power spike at 6 , 11 and 16. That's kind of the problem with a lot of shapeshifter-esque champions. They just don't have real ults so they just lack something when hitting those levels.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-22T22:28:57.109+0000) > > That's kind of the problem with a lot of shapeshifter-esque champions. They just don't have real ults so they just lack something when hitting those levels. Yea but unlike other shape shifter, she doesn't get any bonus from it, except movement speed after a long 2 second delay. Other shape shifter change instantly and get different spell.
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T22:18:42.511+0000) > > Honestly I wish Riot would acknowledge Quinn as a champion so she can actually be a common pick and not seen as trollish as soon she is picked elsewhere than top lane. Yeah. I feel like kit wise she would be best bot lane and thematically she would be best jg. Being a top laner feels out of place for her, yet that is the only place she is particularly good
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T22:24:10.076+0000) > > Yeah. I feel like kit wise she would be best bot lane and thematically she would be best jg. Being a top laner feels out of place for her, yet that is the only place she is particularly good Its boring to win because you face melee tbh. It feel like being a jerk and people hate her for that. Doesn't make me proud .
Sukishoo (NA)
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/Pttzv6lT-garena-leaked-riots-plan-for-the-prestige-points-and-upcoming-skins
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HV7ri9WA,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2019-08-22T22:17:04.739+0000) > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/Pttzv6lT-garena-leaked-riots-plan-for-the-prestige-points-and-upcoming-skins Thanks.. Huge let down. Only favorite champs... Again..
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T22:14:08.331+0000) > > Its nice seeing you here Laughing Fish :) Thank you :)
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T22:14:45.494+0000) > > Thank you :) Honestly I wish Riot would acknowledge Quinn as a champion so she can actually be a common pick and not seen as trollish as soon she is picked elsewhere than top lane.
: Death Sworn/Haunted 2019 Skins
Still waiting for Quinn to be noticed..
Sukishoo (NA)
: If the Gareana leak comes to be true, then we will more than likely be seeing a Riven harrowing skin. So that's at least one of them. The exact theme, who knows though.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HV7ri9WA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-22T21:14:53.548+0000) > > If the Gareana leak comes to be true, then we will more than likely be seeing a Riven harrowing skin. So that's at least one of them. The exact theme, who knows though. Wich leak? May I see the list?
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:38:49.100+0000) > > But why? Its part of her lore. Quinn knows better than most about the bird. A bird, bird, bird, bird is the word.
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:41:47.152+0000) > > Quinn knows better than most about the bird. > > A bird, bird, bird, bird is the word. Its nice seeing you here Laughing Fish :)
: Pro play ruins everything lol W flash removed cuz of pro play Ult damage reduction removed because of pro play. His ult right now is just a really bad shen ult that often just gets both people killed love the name btw
> [{quoted}](name=BrightWîngs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2cLnsQX6,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-08-22T19:28:03.674+0000) > > Pro play ruins everything lol W flash removed cuz of pro play Ult damage reduction removed because of pro play. His ult right now is just a really bad shen ult that often just gets both people killed > > love the name btw Yea. Pro play in general is a bad thing for soloQ. Thanks {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
CLG ear (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:38:49.100+0000) > > But why? Its part of her lore. they can change that
> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:43:14.328+0000) > > they can change that Can is not the same as SHOULD. I like Quinn and Valor interaction . It would be better with Valor back alondside her.
CLG ear (NA)
: I wish they would get rid of the bird aesthetic of quinn, and just make her a scout champion. The bird thing felt kinda hamfisted and not well thoughout; especially when they changed her ult from switching quinn with valor to Quinn just gets more movespeed. Doesn't really fit her kit anymore having the bird.
> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:37:13.149+0000) > > I wish they would get rid of the bird aesthetic of quinn, and just make her a scout champion. The bird thing felt kinda hamfisted and not well thoughout; especially when they changed her ult from switching quinn with valor to Quinn just gets more movespeed. Doesn't really fit her kit anymore having the bird. But why? Its part of her lore.
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:25:32.195+0000) > > Exactly, she is viable and good as she fullfill her niche but as ADC, she feel lackluster. Every carry get a boost once they hit 6. If you missplay even by 1 inch you can get instantly delete and have nothing really to answer. Personally I would prefer she get reworked into a mod ADC focused role instead of as a top lane bully. Though I'm sure a lot of Quinn mains would disagree with that. I just think a marksmen that relies on bullying melee champions isn't a particularly healthy design.
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:34:20.728+0000) > > Personally I would prefer she get reworked into a mod ADC focused role instead of as a top lane bully. Though I'm sure a lot of Quinn mains would disagree with that. I just think a marksmen that relies on bullying melee champions isn't a particularly healthy design. Me neither tbh . I would prefer her adc as well.
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:20:54.573+0000) > > Yea thats how I feel whenever I play her. She feel like Udyr, strong but without real ultimate so you don't see or feel real power spike at 6 , 11 and 16. Yeah exactly. Technically just as powerful as her power-budget is put into her main kit rather then an ult. But she lacks any oomph.
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:23:29.978+0000) > > Yeah exactly. Technically just as powerful as her power-budget is put into her main kit rather then an ult. But she lacks any oomph. Exactly, she is viable and good as she fullfill her niche but as ADC, she feel lackluster. Every carry get a boost once they hit 6. If you missplay even by 1 inch you can get instantly delete and have nothing really to answer.
: Give Galio His Damage Reduction Back on His Ult
Honestly they should buff his utility and make him back a mage counter. His ult reduction on ult was nice, idk why it got removed in the first place.
: Alas I doubt anything will be done with Quinn any time soon. She is in that awkward place where she isn't really a *bad* design and does still have mains playing her. But she is also feels like she is missing something and could be better.
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xoohu3Tf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:18:27.976+0000) > > Alas I doubt anything will be done with Quinn any time soon. She is in that awkward place where she isn't really a *bad* design and does still have mains playing her. But she is also feels like she is missing something and could be better. Yea thats how I feel whenever I play her. She feel like Udyr, strong but without real ultimate so you don't see or feel real power spike at 6 , 11 and 16.
Rioter Comments
Bazerka (NA)
: Lunch break w/ Baz
Anything for Quinn on the table ?
: I was agreeing with you because his Old E was so weak that pantheon still has it in his reworked kit with a dash attatched to it they lessesned his damage and made his new E weaker.
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8fQme1Ni,comment-id=001a000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T05:30:56.313+0000) > > I was agreeing with you because his Old E was so weak that pantheon still has it in his reworked kit with a dash attatched to it they lessesned his damage and made his new E weaker. Oh lmfao. I miss being a tank as Taric honestly xD
: Shh a short ranged target stun with a long travel time so the enemy could manage easily when the stun effected them was totally broken.
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8fQme1Ni,comment-id=001a0000,timestamp=2019-08-20T04:40:15.847+0000) > > Shh a short ranged target stun with a long travel time so the enemy could manage easily when the stun effected them was totally broken. ?
: RIOT ARE BUFFING YASUO AND KINDRED
Galio, Ryze, Kalista, and maybe Pantheon deserve this buff… rest doesn't.
: Oh yeah, totally my bad, I missed the part where you said "without mobility" and thought you had ended at "for every champ." Thus my confusion
> [{quoted}](name=ImTheJuggernauty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QyUYuZtn,comment-id=0016000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T17:20:57.021+0000) > > Oh yeah, totally my bad, I missed the part where you said "without mobility" and thought you had ended at "for every champ." Thus my confusion lmfao no worry
: No, only immobile or low damage champs should get an armor buff. The assassins and adcs and mobile overloaded brusers like jax and riven should receive zero buffs whatsoever. Otherwise, I agree with you.
> [{quoted}](name=ImTheJuggernauty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QyUYuZtn,comment-id=00160000,timestamp=2019-08-19T14:03:14.732+0000) > > No, only immobile or low damage champs should get an armor buff. The assassins and adcs and mobile overloaded brusers like jax and riven should receive zero buffs whatsoever. Otherwise, I agree with you. I stated immobile aka low or no mobility. Every champion you stated have mobility and were already excluded. Ashe is an adc and could use more defense. Cait have her net so she doesn't need it. Use your Logic.
: Dmg/mobility creep has become ridiculous.
Re introduce armor buff for every champion without mobility, buff and make tank item efficient, remove keystones, adjust champions accordingly , and make assassins actually require to hit their combo to kill you, not always relies on {{item:3147}} to do the work. Game would be 100% better than what it is.
Bârd (NA)
: I feel like the Taric rework was largely unnecessary. If they'd gone through with the changes to his Visuals, Passive, and R, but left the rest of his kit intact, I think we'd have a pretty damn awesome champion. I miss his old Q, man. This new one only exists to proc your passive and drain mana.
> [{quoted}](name=Bârd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BR1PhXzk,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-18T21:39:45.918+0000) > > I feel like the Taric rework was largely unnecessary. > > If they'd gone through with the changes to his Visuals, Passive, and R, but left the rest of his kit intact, I think we'd have a pretty damn awesome champion. > > I miss his old Q, man. This new one only exists to proc your passive and drain mana. His old Q was one of the part I loved the most, alongside his old ultimate. Big heal and 40% bigger when you self heal yourself. You could bait enemy into you when you would pop a huge heal on you, and stun them to death. His old ult was also doing damage and buffing you and your allies. It was simple but also strong with more champions pool as it provided AP and AD. Right now, his stun and R have so much delay, its almost impossible to make good use of them without feeling cheated. E stun have so much delay, anyone can walk out of it and champions with spellshield or Morgana as support, will never ever get it by it, unless you E flash into them.
: I feel like Taric could use some love to his survability
Ventira (NA)
: Tanks as a whole are really weak right now, unfortunately, but yeah, Taric needs defensive love.
> [{quoted}](name=Ventira,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BR1PhXzk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-18T17:47:15.029+0000) > > Tanks as a whole are really weak right now, unfortunately, but yeah, Taric needs defensive love. I know but he could be better than what he is right now..
: OVER BUFFED FIORA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: who were you playing?
Rioter Comments
: As a Main Support, I REALLY miss Frost Queen, Talisman of Ascencion and Face of The Mountain
As a Old Taric main.. I miss two thing.. This item :{{item:3309}} and old Taric kit that was more front line oriented than the current kit he have. I feel forced to build enchanters item to make my heal worth it when before I could go pure tank /armor and succeed. W armor nerf and base armor nerf really hurted Taric ability to be a real front line tank.
: Then mute them. Or keep all chat muted if you can't handle what they say. All it takes is a simple click of a button. Report them if it bothers you so much.
> [{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=a9k6A066,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-17T01:03:13.613+0000) > > Then mute them. > Or keep all chat muted if you can't handle what they say. > > All it takes is a simple click of a button. > Report them if it bothers you so much. I mean okay but muting doesn't solve the problem at the source, it only put a band-aid on it, it doesn't make it better.
Rioter Comments
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Zeanix (OCE)
: Do not support Eternals if you want it to be free
Since Riot sold their compagny to a chinese corps, they don't care about anything but money. Stop buying their stuff and it will stop.
Jamaree (NA)
: Alright done since like 2013, been telling people to do the same, it isn’t gonna stop though because plenty of others will
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LX06yxpJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-13T22:13:44.640+0000) > > Alright done since like 2013, been telling people to do the same, it isn’t gonna stop though because plenty of others will If people keep doing it , 1 by 1 it will happen.
Rioter Comments
Naalith (NA)
: Thank God Eternals are as pointless as they are.
Not going to pay a buck for such a greedy feature. Riot since they got sold to this chinese corps are now greedy over the top. Even in my past game I played, I never saw something so greedy…. Free to play my ass.
Rioter Comments
Libido (EUNE)
: Get that ranged sanser shit out of top lane
> [{quoted}](name=Libido,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=riYvnn6Q,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-12T20:31:43.902+0000) > > Get that ranged sanser shit out of top lane Ok wich champion do you play ?
: MAKE ICEBORN GAUNTLET MELEE ONLY
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: No need for more assassin's
> [{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=riYvnn6Q,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-12T11:55:31.533+0000) > > No need for more assassin's Quinn is one of those assassins that even if she fed she controlable. Every other assassins have stronger butst pattern and more safety. I just want Pre rework Quinn so I can ditch the shadow of what she become. A lane bully that is forced top because against other Adc during laning she can't win. Im basically hoping the best for melee top laner. Idk why you hate.
SirLapse (NA)
: She previously was seen bot lane however. But her viability literally got slammed when it was already delicate. She has plenty of flaws currently like Harrier passive's strange down time and lack of selective damage (see Aatrox passive) that damage her lane phase. Q only affects first person hit even though it's a tiny skillshot and is able to express mastery when you can properly CC stacked people. On top of this, her E makes her extremely vulnerable because you are still targetable and not unstoppable. Her R is still her best feature and allows her to roam extremely well, but its limitations exist with its cast time and cooldown being horrendous for mid-fight ultimates. They honestly should really fix that. If they want Quinn to be versatile enough for bot lane without being really brought top lane, then I do suggest: 1 - Fixing her damage problems, particularly her overreliance on Harrier procs for speed bonuses AND raw damage which always scales better with lethality first item due its short trade and bursty nature. Stormrazor was also her best friend and is now a garbage item. Her ultimate doesn't even feel like an ultimate for engaging fights simply because you don't even get an enhanced Harrier proc of any sort. 2 - Fixing her E's vulnerabilities. This is her primary bullying component for top lane, so nerfing this to not force Quinn forward and making it equivalent to Vayne Condemn but Quinn retreating would make her safer to use, but most definitely a weaker bully. It'd effectively kill her lane phase's core strength in top lane while giving her a new one for an otherwise immobile ADC. 3 - Fixing R's downtime mid-fight. A successful Quinn should be using Valor more often in fights I would think, not **less**. If she's less abusive then there's no reason to believe she can't use more ultimates in a fight. Still though, as a champion like her with no in-built sustain and high crit reliance, I do think lowering her crit reliance and making her similar to Draven for raw AD scaling and in-kit attack speed boosts to sub for dps increases would make her round out as a strong 1-item champion that slowly falls off after other champions get their second or third items. Bloodthirster should be really good for her instead of relying on Blade of the Ruined King which has significantly less AD and is more for her attack speed bonus, something I've always found very confusing for the champ's role in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=SirLapse,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=riYvnn6Q,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-12T17:12:52.611+0000) > > She previously was seen bot lane however. But her viability literally got slammed when it was already delicate. She has plenty of flaws currently like Harrier passive's strange down time and lack of selective damage (see Aatrox passive) that damage her lane phase. Q only affects first person hit even though it's a tiny skillshot and is able to express mastery when you can properly CC stacked people. On top of this, her E makes her extremely vulnerable because you are still targetable and not unstoppable. > > Her R is still her best feature and allows her to roam extremely well, but its limitations exist with its cast time and cooldown being horrendous for mid-fight ultimates. They honestly should really fix that. > > If they want Quinn to be versatile enough for bot lane without being really brought top lane, then I do suggest: > 1 - Fixing her damage problems, particularly her overreliance on Harrier procs for speed bonuses AND raw damage which always scales better with lethality first item due its short trade and bursty nature. Stormrazor was also her best friend and is now a garbage item. Her ultimate doesn't even feel like an ultimate for engaging fights simply because you don't even get an enhanced Harrier proc of any sort. > > 2 - Fixing her E's vulnerabilities. This is her primary bullying component for top lane, so nerfing this to not force Quinn forward and making it equivalent to Vayne Condemn but Quinn retreating would make her safer to use, but most definitely a weaker bully. It'd effectively kill her lane phase's core strength in top lane while giving her a new one for an otherwise immobile ADC. > > 3 - Fixing R's downtime mid-fight. A successful Quinn should be using Valor more often in fights I would think, not **less**. If she's less abusive then there's no reason to believe she can't use more ultimates in a fight. > > Still though, as a champion like her with no in-built sustain and high crit reliance, I do think lowering her crit reliance and making her similar to Draven for raw AD scaling and in-kit attack speed boosts to sub for dps increases would make her round out as a strong 1-item champion that slowly falls off after other champions get their second or third items. Bloodthirster should be really good for her instead of relying on Blade of the Ruined King which has significantly less AD and is more for her attack speed bonus, something I've always found very confusing for the champ's role in the game. Very detailed post and well interpreted. I agree with everything but turning her into a raw Ad marksman. Draven can feel oppressive when the player can play and Quinn is almost raw Ad as many Quinn player build lethality only.
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