: I didnt read this rambling rant but tbh I think blukayn is fine. Most sadkayn mains need to understand kayn cant force the same form for every team comp. rhaast is meant for certain team comps and sadboi is meant for others.
Im guessing that you are addressing me saying kayn should be able to transform into whatever he wants and the orbs should just be for either form.Your not looking at it for what I really mean by it. Like i said to the comment before Ima just quote it "Lets say for example mid and bot lane enemy teams are playing super passive ranged champions and there is no opportunity to get a hit off to get your orbs, top lane has a bruiser that is over extended your obviously gonna keep ganking top lane because how easy it is and it can eventually lead to you snowballing for the rest of the game because the rest of the team is majority ranged champions." Im not saying anyone should force a blue or red kayn, im saying that it would be a lot more logical to be able to choose whichever form you need or want because it would be a lot more convenient then waiting 5 whole minutes that could be used getting kills or winning team fights with a form. And even then why should it matter which ever one the player wants to pick its the champion they chose so they can play the game however they want even if it means getting flammed by their team mates.
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: Shadow assassin is completely fine as is. It's true that shadow assassin is viable in less situations than Rhaast, but it's okay if there isn't a complete parity between the forms. Shadow assassin still has its niche and a role to fill, it isn't made completely obsolete by Rhaast. It's also true that Kayn lacks escape after he commits to a fight, but it's fine if that's his weakness as long as power is budgeted elsewhere. Blue Kayn makes up for it by having great map mobility that is only rivaled by Quinn. Rengar and Nocturne are also examples of successful assassins that don't have reliable escapes. I don't know why you are proposing completely different abilities for shadow assassin when Kayn's entire theme is about having 2 forms with the same abilities, just different effects. Why do you want to destroy Kayn's identity by making all orbs the same and getting rid of his iconic ultimate? You don't seem to understand how important the ult is to shadow assassin. Shadow assassin is very reliant on his passive/abilities being up for damage, so how is shadow assassin supposed to compete in extended skirmishes without the the untargetability to wait for cooldowns as well as the passive reset? It's a great chasing tool, and its damage is better than you're making it out to be. Lastly, you said Kayn didn't take much advice from Zed? Literally the entirety of the shadow assassin's kit is related to shadow magic except for his q, which is just him normally using his weapon(no different from Zed's shurkens). Kayn has his own style but it's very clear who he learned from.
Ok i respect your view but my post was in no way supposed to destroy kayn's identity at all. The post is called a possible "revamp" to shadow assassin kayn so revamp obviously means im trying to change something about him in-game not necessarily change what his character is lore wise(That could be a misunderstanding on my part but that's what i think you mean by "destroy identity"). Also I should change my second point in my table of contents because I didn't mean for it to be like shadow assassin's trash because he's not, my focus is really just to change how different and distinct he is from rhaast and his normal form. Me proposing new abilities is to make shadow assassin more unique. And actually im not destroying kayns identity more or less im actually bringing it to the for front for what it could be. Yes kayn can choose between two forms that have the same abilities with "different effects",all that does is make the character more linear than anything if all your changing is the properties of a certain ability for each form.I want more thought put into making the two forms have more in-depth characteristics. Saying that he didn't take much advice from zed was more on the exaggerated side of course, but his character reflects him being a zed pupil for sure. Kayn does have his own style but its very clear what the intentions where when creating him because he has the same moves spread across all three forms. Shadow assassin does do his job as a assassin for the most part and is incredibly dangerous when fed. I just wanted to think more about his abilities and why they should be more "Shadow assassin" like not just some re-textures written in different code. Shadow assassin isn't built to compete in extended skirmishes which is why he has to land his abilities in order to quickly finish some one off(Which is why he is a assassin). Basically his ult is being used to become untargetable as thats the only way he even survives at all in teamfights, which can also back fire if the opponent just rushes under tower or to their team which gets you killed . His main weakness is his squishyness, im not taking that from him. He needs to have a weakness for sure its not like im making him god tier by saying he should be able to escape because he can still die in an instant to a cc chain. Lastly just wanted to go back to the whole "destroying his identity" and his "iconic ult". My title says and again I quote " A possible revamp to Shadow Assassin Kayn" which I hope you know what revamp means. My idea was to change a good portion of what SA is in-game of course.Im not trying to keep him with the same ult as before which is why im giving ideas to compensate on him getting a ulti change. Like having the new q i said which would give him a ranged ability and his 1st idea for a ulti which is another ranged ability except it is a execute. I even changed his his e ability so after he gets a kill it can either be refreshed or get a 50% cool-down reduction to give him time to reload all his abilities to either go back in or escape and it actually would have uses on the ground. Also allowing him to be able to transform into whatever form the player wants is more of a quality if life change then anything. Just imagine you could actually gank a lane without having to worry about getting to many of a certain orb and having to wait a decent amount of time for a form that is actually needed in a match. Lets say for example mid and bot lane enemy teams are playing super passive ranged champions and there is no opportunity to get a hit off to get your orbs, top lane has a bruiser that is over extended your obviously gonna keep ganking top lane because how easy it is and it can eventually lead to you snowballing for the rest of the game because the rest of the team is majority ranged champions.
: > [{quoted}](name=RJ01,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2TzpcfkX,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-09-16T14:13:24.715+0000) > > This is my first time ever posting on forums so I don't know how to make a topic "readable". So instead of everyone constantly saying to much to read your not even telling me how i can improve the quality. Whats the point of coming to a forum about ideas if your not willing to read? I put a lot of thought into this why can't i express it in words? Like what did you come here for because the topic was interesting or just to tell me that you were too lazy to read? You could have even skipped to the idea part if you fully read the table of contents, that's what its for. Telling you its too long already tells you the problem and solution. Even if nobody said anything, people would skim through a paragraph and give you a bunch of half assed responses. Unless you're saying something super interesting or powerful, that's pretty much what will happen every time.
No it doesn't your not specifically saying what's not necessary in the passage. Just because its "too long" doesn't you shouldn't automatically put down an idea. So far everything has been negative instead of constantly venting on the length why don't u tell me what you found interesting or cool. I wanted to have a open discussion for the topic at hand. Wasn't expecting to argue about the length of a idea come on now.
: *reads 3 sentences at 5am Hmm, i'm no longer curious
This is my first time ever posting on forums so I don't know how to make a topic "readable". So instead of everyone constantly saying to much to read your not even telling me how i can improve the quality. Whats the point of coming to a forum about ideas if your not willing to read? I put a lot of thought into this why can't i express it in words? Like what did you come here for because the topic was interesting or just to tell me that you were too lazy to read? You could have even skipped to the idea part if you fully read the table of contents, that's what its for.
: HEY BOY NO ONE WILL READ ALL OF THIS But i want an answer of the question I saw many vids on yt and I saw whenever someone picks Kayn he goes Darkin why then? They don't even pick Kayn in high elo he is squishy and easy to counter if he was solo He needs some buffs in S.A so he can be played in high elo same to base K
If people don't read it then thats their problem i just wanted to start a topic on my ideas of making S.A more viable, i made a table of contents so they could skip to whatever part but it would be nice to read it all to grasp the idea. Also did you read everything? And are you asking me a question? because i couldn't fully understand what you were asking.
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