Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=RageQ2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tLL7nZAV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-20T00:28:39.898+0000) > > Welcome to Gold :/ > > It's the easiest league to both climb insanely hard and demote constantly. However, no matter what as long as you somewhat climb and are in the positives all should go well. My tip would be just to have a positive mindset, as soon as you have the feeling you're gonna get hard stuck or "stuck in elo hell", throwing, tilting and getting angry becomes greater than trying to learn from your mistakes and improve/climb. oh boy, that's when I said when I was platinum but now I say that in diamond...
> [{quoted}](name=SmallCheeseCake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tLL7nZAV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-10-20T03:02:46.317+0000) > > oh boy, that's when I said when I was platinum but now I say that in diamond... Honestly tho there’s two sides into all these ranks: 1. Can Carry 1v9 and climb leagues/divisions. OR 2. Have to rely off of your team actually playing correctly. And not to be rude, I can’t trust even a P5 with the game lol.
Rexxiee (NA)
: It this how viktor was intended to be played?
My main point here would be that your team has no armor pen whatsoever and he benefited off of it fairly well. Not only that, but he's built full armor + cd which gives him enough pressure to out duel udyr, jax, or jhin. His only issue was Diana and when she overextended into a control mage, she insta died. It was fairly wp on his part for the build path he took and countered your late game accordingly.
afmghost (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RageQ2,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wBvnfU0E,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-20T00:24:35.180+0000) > > It's mostly because more or less of the lower levels become filled with a fair amount of smurfs who are inclined to think they control the game, etc., etc. yadda yadda. As much as it is, all games have issues such as this, sure some games have it worse than others, but do realize you're comparing an fps and a moba which tend to be different in several ways. Neither am I for nor against your opinion though and I do agree there's for sure both leagues positives and negatives, but same could be said to any other game. So shooters have friendly players and MOBAs have shitheads by nature? Well, I won't argue with that.
> [{quoted}](name=afmghost,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wBvnfU0E,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-10-20T00:33:16.956+0000) > > So shooters have friendly players and MOBAs have shitheads by nature? > Well, I won't argue with that. I mean, I never stated anything even close to that. I wont deny that, yes of course there is a higher level of toxicity, but thats because this game is older and due to that has become more competitive central. Not only that, but because of it being a moba it's team reliant and doesn't have off-focus goals or systems to lead you away from being toxic. Where as an fps has several things that can lead you away from being toxic within a game. I could go into further detail, but dont have the time currently. P.s. as a refresher, my point was that I'm neutral, all games have toxicity, but it's based on the game type for what effects the level of it. I'm not saying that you will always encounter toxic players, but to a point league has a higher rate than BO4 would.
: Why I Play Support
Simply put, you're playing low level norms, its common to get someone who themselves are new to the game therefore wont know basic understanding to the game, etc. atleast, somewhat below your level of skill and knowledge.
Zethro (NA)
: I get huge winstreak then huge loss streak so consistenly
Welcome to Gold :/ It's the easiest league to both climb insanely hard and demote constantly. However, no matter what as long as you somewhat climb and are in the positives all should go well. My tip would be just to have a positive mindset, as soon as you have the feeling you're gonna get hard stuck or "stuck in elo hell", throwing, tilting and getting angry becomes greater than trying to learn from your mistakes and improve/climb.
afmghost (NA)
: BO4 has a better community
It's mostly because more or less of the lower levels become filled with a fair amount of smurfs who are inclined to think they control the game, etc., etc. yadda yadda. As much as it is, all games have issues such as this, sure some games have it worse than others, but do realize you're comparing an fps and a moba which tend to be different in several ways. Neither am I for nor against your opinion though and I do agree there's for sure both leagues positives and negatives, but same could be said to any other game.
: PBE dark map
You guys do realize theres a PBE forum? Where you are supposed to be talking about these issues? IF it's game breaking, generally rito already realizes it, although I still have no clue how the constant game breaking bugs occur in the first place
: I honestly DO NOT understand how this is toxic
It's pretty iffy, but to some extent there is disrespectful comments within it. However, it's pretty unfortunate that out of all things that could possibly get someone banned, these few generic words that several players use on a constant basis is what managed to get you banned.
: This is Bronze players that are stuck there since season 1 who think they should be challenger.
Long ago in a distant land, I, Feeder, the shape-shifting Master of Multiple alts, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Yi wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I flashed and flung him into the future, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to the past, and undo the future that is all feeders!
SirΤeemο (EUNE)
: Dear junglers , PLEASE !
And that's why I go jg, because I don't rely on other bad junglers that don't do their jobs, sure I may miss a lane, but only because 1, you're not winning or have a terrible champ when it comes to snowballing or 2, the opportunity is there, but I'm cycling through my camps to rush important levels or items
: i agree . and there can be a system where they can auto mute the person who is trying to start a fight so that it doesnt get serious and there is no retaliation . i mean if theyre restricting their chats . they should restrict it when it all begins and after the match its pointless LOL .
> [{quoted}](name=NotToday58,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=x4Vhs5KG,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2017-04-21T08:57:58.013+0000) > > i agree . and there can be a system where they can auto mute the person who is trying to start a fight so that it doesnt get serious and there is no retaliation . i mean if theyre restricting their chats . they should restrict it when it all begins and after the match its pointless LOL . Well that's a little too intensive on riots spaghetti coding, Mostly I'm just using this for the idea so it allows a User that has been banned to express out more points than he does now. For example, say that I've been banned permanently for my actions in a few games. If I were to have the chat logs of others in there that pushed me to that point so saying stuff like "You're bad at the game", etc (probably worse than that, but you get the point.) then atleast I could create a ticket with more proof.
: i demand equality and justice
I honestly feel like the system should report a full player chat log (each separate players, teammates or enemies) just so maybe if it is in a case like this were someone could contest their ban at least they can point out areas where it so called "triggered" them. Reeeeeeeeeee
Keyru (NA)
: Xayah and Rakan Gifting Thread
I would love to receive Xayah for the #BIGLCSPLAYS ign is RageQ2
: WARLORD SHEN CHROMAS!
So like, White warlord shen chroma w/ samurai jack emblem? Would be pretty cool
Neamean (NA)
: Awesome, now all we need is for Riot to make it. I have all of Shyv skin and the only one I don't have is Super Galaxy. I probably would only get it if they release a chroma for it, hell I even buy the chroma with RP instead of waiting for it to go on IP sale.
> [{quoted}](name=Neamean,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=vPzIxKkb,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-18T07:15:36.479+0000) > > Awesome, now all we need is for Riot to make it. I have all of Shyv skin and the only one I don't have is Super Galaxy. I probably would only get it if they release a chroma for it, hell I even buy the chroma with RP instead of waiting for it to go on IP sale. Well it's nice to see I did my job well, I probably could touch up on the dragon part of shyvana now that I look back on it. The method I use left a few blotches of pink and very dark colours of green so I had to zoom in and patch them removing most of the details in the process unfortunately.
Neamean (NA)
: A wild array of colors for Super Galaxy Shyvana would be nice. Specially a green one as homage to Gundam Dragon and Mighty Morphing Green
> [{quoted}](name=Neamean,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=vPzIxKkb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-17T04:18:50.189+0000) > > A wild array of colors for Super Galaxy Shyvana would be nice. Specially a green one as homage to Gundam Dragon and Mighty Morphing Green And Green you shall receive: http://imgur.com/7bBjKbw This one was actually difficult because of the fact I had a lot of trouble finding that color that would fit for everything, but after around 5 tries I got it, also the shading on this was really difficult, seems riot thinks that the slightest touches of light pink in her boots is noticeable :P
Thr34t (NA)
: Why lie though? https://snag.gy/a0qo8N.jpg I usually help people with jungling,, but I never understand why people say "Hit X Rank last season" when they didn't and there is a way to check...
> [{quoted}](name=Thr34t,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=AAg48bPt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-17T04:13:01.436+0000) > > Why lie though? > > https://snag.gy/a0qo8N.jpg > > I usually help people with jungling,, but I never understand why people say "Hit X Rank last season" when they didn't and there is a way to check... There isn't a way for you to check... If he hit it, it doesn't mean he stayed in it he just got to it.
Rioter Comments
Elfezen (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RageQ2,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=friyhVka,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-04-16T07:15:38.623+0000) > > Correctamundo buddy, The league of legends Baron Nashor is not the actual baron nashor, but a (lets just say) "sibling" of the actual baron nashor. If you were to compare it to chogath I would assume chogath to also be bigger. Wasn't this acctualy in the old lore? They said that the pink Baron Nashor was not the real one but a magical manifestation of the Summoners and after that it got retconned and they brought the new big and blue Baron which is the real one
> [{quoted}](name=Syncroniam,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=friyhVka,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-04-16T07:25:32.677+0000) > > Wasn't this acctualy in the old lore? They said that the pink Baron Nashor was not the real one but a magical manifestation of the Summoners and after that it got retconned and they brought the new big and blue Baron which is the real one I could be mixed with the old lore, but I'm pretty sure its still not the correct Baron... Idk, I've heard this and that a lot of times to were I just go with what I can find.
Sarutobi (NA)
: Im not sure how much has changed lore wise, but isnt the Baron Nashor in the Summoners Rift not the "real" one. Not too sure if it was just one part of Baron, or just a smaller scale, but he is suppose to be much larger. Cho'gath on the other hand needs to eat in order to get bigger. So at least now he wouldnt be as big as Baron, But if they did fight and Cho' ate him i would assume Cho would grow larger!
> [{quoted}](name=Sarutobi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=friyhVka,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-16T07:10:14.980+0000) > > Im not sure how much has changed lore wise, but isnt the Baron Nashor in the Summoners Rift not the "real" one. Not too sure if it was just one part of Baron, or just a smaller scale, but he is suppose to be much larger. Cho'gath on the other hand needs to eat in order to get bigger. So at least now he wouldnt be as big as Baron, But if they did fight and Cho' ate him i would assume Cho would grow larger! Correctamundo buddy, The league of legends Baron Nashor is not the actual baron nashor, but a (lets just say) "sibling" of the actual baron nashor. If you were to compare it to chogath I would assume chogath to also be bigger.
: Some guy in my game said Vayne takes no skill
You know what doesn't take skill? ~~Master Yi~~ But in all seriousness, any champion has skill to it. If the champ did take no skill, someone could carry as hard as they want on their first game.
: Thresh Rework Idea
These are only buffs, buffing thresh on where he is right now will cause him to be broken. Also the buffs you suggested are way to overpowered for any form of support.
Shivarus (NA)
: [Chroma Concept]: Four Seasons Elderwood Hecarim
I am kind of an artist and liked your idea. Something like this perhaps? (Only did Autumn) http://imgur.com/xKxx6E8 I would've just changed the leaves, but thought about having his 2 gems change with each season aswell, because the idea of Autumn being a sort of dried up season. If you want to add it to your thread you can, I could also see if I can make the other 3, but I personally feel as if the normal skin itself is a spring-like chroma. Quick add-on: If I were to make the Summer/Winter chromas my idea for them would be: Winter: - Use darker more browner wood, frosted leaves and instead of moss use frost. Light blue apron Summer: - Darker greenish leaves, more polished stone perhaps. Maybe green apron, could be yellow also.
SSmotzer (NA)
: Anyone Else Notice all the Vibrating Weapons?
: Yo does anyone ever go even in lane in Silver?
It's mostly because people don't know what to do when behind, I was still stomping in Silver, but had the games where all lanes lost eventually. No one really knows that they need to stay passive and farm until their character hits a power spike that you can use to equal things out.
: Xayah and Rakans bonus synergy is overrated
{{champion:240}} ? Hates everyone...
: Funnest champions in each role?
Support for me would be {{champion:35}} , The countless amount of times that I've tricked an adc or support into my boxes is hilarious, It's extremely fun playing around the minds of your opponents and makes you look like you are a genius when you outplay them.
: Lag in game
Lol, when your own provider has no clue to the issue, I recently posted the same thing. In fact I also did the same things you did, but with a little less CMD work than yours, I also saw that a few other players are having the same problems.
: disconnecting
I got the same problem aswell, posted my stuff in a report the bug because I knew it was for sure not on my part, but riots. A few tips for you to keep in mind when coming to terms with internet related issues is these few steps: 1 - tab out of the game and search the words "ping test", whether you're on google or bing it should bring up an in browser ping test that checks your download speed, if you find this unusually low then it is to do with issues in your house with bandwidth (how many things are using your internet) 2 - look for malicious software that could cause your pc to have a lot of processes (bandwidth issue) go into task manager, details, and then click the memory bar to see how much something is taking, look for suspicious software, you can do this by looking at it's description because most go by stuff like Microsoft and some can be identified by just knowing what it is. If you find something fishy then search it up online and check it's location by right clicking on the process and selection "open file location". 3 - Reset your internet, if in any case you have no clue on what could be the problem, just reset your router, you can do this by turning it off for 5-10 seconds and then turning it back on. If all else fails then you're like me, trying to figure out a problem you have no clue to what else it could possibly be.
Rioter Comments
: fiora is actually busted tho . the way he worded it was wrong but he has a point.
> [{quoted}](name=Skyphic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9AVPiOMx,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-04-13T00:37:56.800+0000) > > fiora is actually busted tho . the way he worded it was wrong but he has a point. It takes skill to abuse it, a lot of people think that "oh I just hit this big plate looking thing and I win lane" But a lot of the dominating doors mains out there know how to abuse their kit to its full potential. Yes the vitals may be overkill for its % health, but it's because fiora risks going damage instead of full tank unlike most, so if and when going up against a juggernaut you are kind of screwed without the % health dmg. Atleast it isn't like the pre-rework fiora, point and click ult that was able to almost immediately kill the adc or any other squishy.
: > [{quoted}](name=RageQ2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lLwgeu1H,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-13T00:27:39.432+0000) > > I feel likes it due to the fact that her feathers can be used to zone a big portion of creeps and if you add the slow then it only makes the zoning worse causing other adc to get upset (most likely) wrong champion buddy.
> [{quoted}](name=ChaddyFantome,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lLwgeu1H,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-04-13T02:29:34.276+0000) > > wrong champion buddy. Ehhhhhh My bad, well now that i know that, it's probably because they don't want him straying from support because of the two being together constantly. Just my guess now that I actually have the right idea...
: I wonder how Freelora having Kassadin's ult on her Q is balanced.
I gotta say, the fact that more than 95% of you threads are done in the idea of nerfing "x" champion or that "x" champion is broken, I'm going on a whim to say that as soon as you encounter someone of decent skill that plays those specific champions, you immediately disregard them as being overpowered. More specifically, I hope this is your alternate because if not, you only have a very few amount of bot games dating the past 2 years...
: Rakan's Q feels underwhelming
I feel likes it due to the fact that her feathers can be used to zone a big portion of creeps and if you add the slow then it only makes the zoning worse causing other adc to get upset (most likely)
Glîtchy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RageQ2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hUiPeYkg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-11T21:52:11.801+0000) > > When the Lee has the new skin, doesn't hit any Q's and says at the end "First time lee" > > > **Boi** Why buy the skin if you've NEVER played a champ before?
> [{quoted}](name=Lyseth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hUiPeYkg,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-04-11T22:02:40.481+0000) > > Why buy the skin if you've NEVER played a champ before? Exactly it's like, Boi you don't deserve that skin. I hardly play lee and I know more than that player
: Just thank you Riot.
**Inb4 Renekton and Darius top only** these changes scream for me to play renekton more, almost all of these changes help my build.
Glîtchy (NA)
: Dumbest thing you've seen someone say in-game.
When the Lee has the new skin, doesn't hit any Q's and says at the end "First time lee" **Boi**
: Sad thing is, this kind of thing has been an increasingly common occurrence since riot changed the matchmaking system a few years back. And increasingly frustrating that riot hasn't done anything about it.
> [{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nHMH7qdw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-11T05:37:27.552+0000) > > Sad thing is, this kind of thing has been an increasingly common occurrence since riot changed the matchmaking system a few years back. And increasingly frustrating that riot hasn't done anything about it. Which is exactly why I'm making this post. It's only gotten worse and riot is starting to get more and more build up of posts like mine on the boards, played another game after I posted this and guess what? Had a diamond 5 Zed and their highest was a Gold 5 rengar...
Thr34t (NA)
: Was this a normal or a ranked? Normals is pretty messed up. All day been getting Golds on my team and going vs Diamonds (I'm Diamond, multi season, all 3 queues current season) and the games are pretty much over by the 10 minute mark with the amount of feeding my gold team mates do vs Diamonds. This is why people smurf instead of playing norms.
> [{quoted}](name=Thr34t,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nHMH7qdw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-11T05:38:08.481+0000) > > Was this a normal or a ranked? Normals is pretty messed up. All day been getting Golds on my team and going vs Diamonds (I'm Diamond, multi season, all 3 queues current season) and the games are pretty much over by the 10 minute mark with the amount of feeding my gold team mates do vs Diamonds. This is why people smurf instead of playing norms. Yes I do play norms, only really because I don't like the amount of flame in low tiers of ranked (placed S2 last season and only with friends because they don't flame) I honestly just wanna have fun. Had to actually start playing only strong early game champions because of this and I really don't want to stick to playing Lee and Graves...
Rioter Comments
: Mastery Grade Bug
Just upload the images to a site such as imgur or light shot (think that's what it's called) and then post that link in your thread and the image should pop up
: That's pretty similar to number 1. Full AP Jarvan is pretty fun if you can pull it off.
> [{quoted}](name=AbsorbantTNT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vmExvTAe,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-04-08T03:44:13.165+0000) > > That's pretty similar to number 1. > > Full AP Jarvan is pretty fun if you can pull it off. Same with thunder cow (thunderlords full ap alistar) even stuff like lightning Shen (attack speed and crit)
: Just lost horribly to the same champion for the fifth time?
I just stop playing when I'm upset or mad, if anything I also play absurdly fun champions like shaco because I like to play around with my "food" if you will. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: To all the LEE SKIN players out there...
Already seen two of them, each on both teams first day it came out. What a joke, the amount of cringe made me want to dc xD. Had the enemy lee flash without pressing ult first...
: Tank Item Changes
Think about all the tank junglers, everyone utilizes Cinderhulk and guess why? 15% bonus health. Now, guess what happens when you bring a lot of reductions to health? Poof, high damage junglers take the meta not that they already have.
: That would be because Skarner isn't *meant* to be a Juggernaut. He was included in the initial Juggernaut update, yes, but Riot has since said that was a mistake and Skarner does not fit the paradigm of a Juggernaut. Currently, Riot has Skarner classified as a Vanguard, and I feel he fits that much better than he fits the themes of a Juggernaut. Vanguards We like to refer to Vanguards as “offensive tanks.” Vanguards lead the charge for their team and are specialists at getting action started. Their explosive team fight initiation seeks to catch enemies out of position while allowing allies to follow-up to devastating effect. Skarner's engage is among the best in the game, imo. You run in, grab their carry, run out. Sure they can QSS it, but almost any engage can be nullified with QSS, its why the item exists, so that's not really an actual counterpoint, imo. Juggernauts Juggernauts are melee titans who relentlessly march down the opposition and devastate those foolish enough to get within their grasp. They are the only subclass who excel at both dealing and taking significant amounts of damage, but in turn they have a tough time closing in on targets due to their low range and extremely limited mobility. I may not be the best person to comment on this, because I don't play Skarner, but from what I've seen Skarner doesn't have that tough of a time closing in on targets. The movement speed his kit gives him combined with the CC from his Q and R give him much better chasing tools than actual Juggernauts like Mordekaiser, Darius, or Illaoi.
> [{quoted}](name=Altariana Grande,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=WgNuqAK8,comment-id=00020000000300000000,timestamp=2017-04-07T02:37:33.712+0000) > > That would be because Skarner isn't *meant* to be a Juggernaut. He was included in the initial Juggernaut update, yes, but Riot has since said that was a mistake and Skarner does not fit the paradigm of a Juggernaut. Currently, Riot has Skarner classified as a Vanguard, and I feel he fits that much better than he fits the themes of a Juggernaut. > > Vanguards > We like to refer to Vanguards as “offensive tanks.” Vanguards lead the charge for their team and are specialists at getting action started. Their explosive team fight initiation seeks to catch enemies out of position while allowing allies to follow-up to devastating effect. > > Skarner's engage is among the best in the game, imo. You run in, grab their carry, run out. Sure they can QSS it, but almost any engage can be nullified with QSS, its why the item exists, so that's not really an actual counterpoint, imo. > > Juggernauts > Juggernauts are melee titans who relentlessly march down the opposition and devastate those foolish enough to get within their grasp. They are the only subclass who excel at both dealing and taking significant amounts of damage, but in turn they have a tough time closing in on targets due to their low range and extremely limited mobility. > > I may not be the best person to comment on this, because I don't play Skarner, but from what I've seen Skarner doesn't have that tough of a time closing in on targets. The movement speed his kit gives him combined with the CC from his Q and R give him much better chasing tools than actual Juggernauts like Mordekaiser, Darius, or Illaoi. That may be true, but with the new stat changes how will Skarner achieve a good mid game to become this sort of vanguard, if people are unable to use the cinderhulk stat that give percentage bonus health the heal given from tank items that is taken out will cause him to be forced to something other than what you just said. His scaling compared to other junglers that don't need tank items will be too big of a gap to be viable. It may give high armor, but does not give enough health for skirmishes where you need to be the vanguard type champion.
: This portion of the midseason will be largely connected to the tank updates. However, this should feel different from other recent class updates in that it won't be only the targeted class of champions getting new items to play with.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=WgNuqAK8,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-06T07:38:19.992+0000) > > This portion of the midseason will be largely connected to the tank updates. However, this should feel different from other recent class updates in that it won't be only the targeted class of champions getting new items to play with By saying that, would you consider all lanes capable to some extent of using these effectively to counter build their opposing laner? I would expect the fact their getting much more armor and less health to be better for then atleast.
: > [{quoted}](name=RageQ2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sHal4vIB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-06T05:22:38.466+0000) > > Do you mean for enemy champions? Because if that's the case then it never used to show up for you to see in the loading screen. yes it did, way back when masteries were new, you could see the enemies masteries rank. but it just kind of vanish
> [{quoted}](name=Summoner Grey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sHal4vIB,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-06T05:57:11.125+0000) > > yes it did, way back when masteries were new, you could see the enemies masteries rank. but it just kind of vanish You sure? I remember when the update came out I never saw a mastery badge on any enemy even when I would check later and look at their badges...
VeppeSwag (EUW)
: What do you mean you want skarner back? He's the 5th highest winrate jungler. His winrate in the jungle hasn't been under 51% for the last 4 patches.
> [{quoted}](name=VeppeSwag,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=WgNuqAK8,comment-id=000200000003,timestamp=2017-04-06T09:40:39.510+0000) > > What do you mean you want skarner back? He's the 5th highest winrate jungler. His winrate in the jungle hasn't been under 51% for the last 4 patches. I mean he isn't going to be as viable now as he is/was for the new update. A lot of his scaling and mid game will get merged due to the heal changes and other carry junglers with lethality in their build will destroy him early. He's becoming less of a juggernaut and more of a straight out only cc viable tank...
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