: Nah I have no hope. Players said when new runes were introduced, "Guys stop complaining, this is something new that will take a while to fix." Then in pre-season while we were still complaining people would say, "Guys its only preseason, Riot will have this all fixed when season starts." Then season started and still no changes and people say, "Just give em 3 months, it takes time for them to balance it." 3 months later and people are now saying "Mid season Riot said theyd fix the game on bot lane." Let's be honest, if Riot wanted this game fixed they could do it. There are hundreds of posts on the forums a day complaining about too much damage, catchup exp, how 1 man can make you lose but 1 man cant win the game. Riot likes the game like this because its what the Korean players prefer.
I don't understand the complaint about catch up EXP. The whole game will be over if they reduced that EXP just because someone got first blood even more so. What are they going to do? Stay in tower at lv 3 when their oppressor is lv 6 so they can die again in the tower or get merked by the jg too. If you die and give first blood that's it, you're at a disadvantage and at any point the jg can come and secure your death unless you tower farm and be 1 lv less than the oppressor. But you wanna kill that and make it worse? i promise you, you'll come back the next day like "maybe leave some catch up exp you didn't have to take all of it away" making excuses already instead of admiring you were wrong about it. Honestly the player base is just like riot you're just standing on different sides and arguing for different reasons. Riot has been pleasing the majority of you for a while with a lot of the changes, ya'll just too proud to be like "we asked for the wrong things" and riot is too proud to revert those changes because they can't say " we fucked up too" Another thing all these worthless reworks from champs are pointless. What's the point of wasting resources on that? "Let's rotate the popular champion so there's still only 15 favorable champions anyways". Rework the whole 140 roster there's still only going to be 15 champs played. So what was the fucking point in the first place if it didn't fix anything at all? But look at all of you, like fuck yea new akali, then it'll be like fuck yea new aatrox. "What happend to the new eve? who gives a fuck she's months old we want new shit" so then what happened to the old eve mains? we quit because we got nothing to hold our fun on just because riot decided to please you guys with new shit that only held your attention for 2 weeks.
: Janna is 54.59% winrate
IF reworks were meant to fix something or help something the attention should go to champs like {{champion:40}} and {{champion:117}} however i think reworks are done because they're bored with something old and want something new.
CoffeeMug (EUNE)
: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxUZ7usXgAEHVXi.jpg -> Now this is how I picture a proper sheriff. She needs pants, her top-hat and belts ( multiple) kept.
she needs that gun belt and a badge and it'll be perfect.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mordepool,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZkgO9oAE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-04-07T23:47:03.452+0000) > > Play Mordekaiser. Does Mordekaiser actually work against Kat? I mean, he can't even interrupt her ult, and has poor base stats (hard to survive against an assassin if he just all-ins you if you aren't tanky enough)
Kat is melee though allowing you a full kit rotation of harass vs her if she jumps in on you. Unless she levels enough for the shumpo cd to be too short but before that time you can make her dives risky.
EyasHawk (EUW)
: {{champion:131}} : "No, No. Please come pick that dagger. I insist"
isn't it a skill match up {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} Diana doesn't automatically beat her just because she can cancel her ult. If anything kat has an advantage because diana is melee so she'll get hurt by kay easy while she's going to struggle to land her Q on kat unless she's on top of her.
Rioter Comments
Ixoziel (NA)
: I ban Shaco every game because he makes playing non-tank junglers an absolute nightmare. The reason he's not picked in pro play is because they play almost exclusively tank junglers. Once Shaco's burst is gone he's an immobile wet noodle. However, I dislike playing tank junglers and thus I will always ban Shaco. Kha'zix is just as bad and can still instagib you, of course. Shaco is just more annoying.
shaco is just better in SoloQ than vs a coordinated team. If you fight shaco alone in the game you're going to pull your hairs out, however if the whole team is warding and in on it then you'll find shaco eating canned beans in a bush waiting for the game to end.
Eedat (NA)
: A Discussion of Bias
can we make the same argument for champion reworks? IF a champion has a decent win rate and a decent playerbase ( 1 - 2% pick rate is pretty good on a game that has 140 champions ) then that champion should probably not hit the gutter and be deleted to be replaced with another champ of the same name. I know it's done just to make the game more "fresh" but still this is just back stabbing people that have only been playing because of said champ.
Kelg (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=NA Darklarik,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=UqkcJyAl,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-04-04T21:15:19.080+0000) > > I think this fits Zed better Maybe, but I feel this way when I ult + ignite a low HP champ on {{champion:82}} lol
{{champion:40}}{{champion:117}} {{champion:43}} can easily stop that especially if they have life steal. Worst part is, they're very common.
Aella (NA)
: The Vi "Buffs" on PBE aren't what Vi needs. Analysis inside.
I think Vi is solid her problem is the damage creep. The second Vi goes into someone she get's blown the fuck up. Not only that but her damage isn't high enough to stomp her target before peels. Her engage RN is basically risky. She's suffering from everyone is doing too much damage before i get a good rotation going. Doesn't help at al vs her ult's main weakness which is to follow her target into oblivion.
: Kda means nothing though.
helps to identify who has been feeding and who is carrying their weight. Someone that goes for example 15/10/0 has a 3:2:0 kda or 1.5 kills per death. Which is pretty small gold lead given the gold he/she has fed. Then there's someone that's 6/2/2 this person hasn't been feeding much gold and has gotten some. That person sits at a 3:1:1 kda or basically 3 kills per death which is pretty sweet as they're making a noticeable less amount of gold vs what the person is netting for their team. Ofcourse this doesn't win you the game, however team fights can win you the game and this person is giving you an edge on them.
Xonra (NA)
: Inting, trolling, naw no big deal. Don't you dare say a bad word though. The system can't detect 27 loses in a row with reports but they can detect you dropping an F bomb before anyone even reports it.
: >And to be honest I thought it is relatively common knowledge her passive is easily one of the worst? Funny part is, her passive used to be good. Back when mana restrictions where meaningful. It was one of contributors to her effectiveness during the zed mid meta and early in the manalesss top meta(s).
main issue is how they designed her. She get's little raw damage because of the passive and her mana cost is high because of her passive. Feels like she's punished for having a passive that was meant to give her an edge over others not keep it even or worse.
: This is the Wukong I'd like to see in LoL!
lol isn't dota though. There's a lot more things and mechanics that are okay with dota that aren't in league, also the league developers are pro toasters.
CatSith (NA)
: They said the changes are just to patch her up while they are looking into a rework for her. I'm expecting her kit will include valor more and make him more interactive. I think they will keep her vault because its an iconic part of her kit.
throwing another rework sounds lame. I prefer they just revert her. Valor was the most fun and exciting transformation, Throwing rework on top of rework is just being silly imo. Though looking at her current stats right now she's doing really well top, however her doing well top means other top laners are suffering so that's a bad thing for the game overall.
CppL (EUW)
: adc are not allowed to be weak.
well this was also because people were bitching everywhere that "kai sai wasn't doing good as they wanted her to be" so RIOT buffed her. People need time to adjust to a new champion so give them at least 2 patches so people can get used to the new champ before buffing them. Then do slight buffs not this. People need to hold their shit together before they all jump to the "this champ needs a buff" mentality.
: Ryze support is the hidden gem of supports
call me crazy, but {{champion:201}} is a pretty good support too.
: Full AP comp can still have someone to build AD, but full AD comp can't build AP.
there's no need for AD to build AP anyways. Even if the enemy stacks armor they have more than enough tools to fight them off.
Arammus (EUW)
: if riot is going to answer here i bet its 100% "korean server isnt in na's job sorry"
I mean not all of them have the power to do anything about it. It's probably a select few individuals that do but we won't hear from.
: The entire loot system is terrible for veteran players
I wish we got emoji stickers more often at least from them.
: I figured out riots scheme boys.
afmghost (NA)
: Millions blinded going outside while server maintenance is underway
bitch please, i'm going to bed. Though in reality i haven't even played league the last couple of days. I'm just here in the forums checking out the drama.
: Tell me what goes through your mind when you see the full image.
: "More solo carrying" is the issue, not the solution!
I think we need more viable methods of winning than to just peel for the ADC they can kill everything. I think split pushing should be able to contest better but that would mean towers would go down quicker by a single individual.
ACList (NA)
: Long pointless matches.
I honestly hate that from both sides. I hate that my team mates refuse to surrender because "i never give up " and no other reason. I also hate it when it's my team winning that they refuse to end the match. That's a real dick move right there. I try to do my best to end the match and break their nexus at that point but that "never give up person" tries to fight back and push the lanes wasting time and just honestly feeding me. I literally tell them, let me break your nexus so the match ends quicker and they tell me they can't let me do that or they'll be reported.
: Where is your proof that the game is dying? Riot hasn't publicized any statistics about their playerbase since 2014.
The game is definitely not dying. However we can fairly assume that it's losing it's grip on it's popularity little by little. It has been around for a very long time but many chances have turned away many of it's initial player base. As it stands i had like 8 friends that played the game with me all of which started before me. Only 1 of them still plays counting me.
: And what exactly am i supposed to do in games like these?
take a break? this is no where near as bad as the average bad game is though.
Tegash (NA)
: As a support main who also mains ADC, i feel both sides of this on a spiritual level.
As a semi support main, i think what more than likely happened in the pic is. Nami why didn't you bubble them or something? DO SOMETHING! USE YOUR KIT! - spams entire asset of items on CD -
FilDaFunk (EUW)
: I disagree. Maybe VUs, but I always feel like VGUs just remove the original champ. {{champion:43}} {{champion:50}}
they do, people in these boards are just kids that want new toys it doesn't make sense. Rework champs are for the most part just a new champion anyways they're just deleting the old one. Very few exceptions to this are {{champion:19}} from recent times and that's it. I really like the new {{champion:6}} but i must be demented to say he's still urgot. This is a new champion. So these people saying VGU are just basically saying they want a champion deleted because they struggle or don't like to play vs them. How about their main champ get's deleted and fucked off and see how it feels. But at last, Riot wants the new comers not the old ones. Pretty soon us old players will be gone and riot will have to worry about games like pug-G and fortnite instead of just worried about pleasing old players that stuck around and brought in the new players anyways.
: At this point I think all the keystones are in a fairly balanced spot. All are equally impactful now and every single one is being utilized by more than 1 champion. I wouldn't mind a Predator nerf though, it's a bit ridiculous.
i don't feel comfortable with the idea that champions need to be made and balanced around an outside utility function that's separate from their kits. It if was just stats then you can just readjust the champions numbers but not utility, what some breaks some need it to function and then it becomes a pickle.
: Quinn...
I'm hoping they revert her back to the original, however she seems to be finding success as a bully top laner.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: Community in a nushell
don't lie op, you want that kfc galio too.
VØIÐ (EUW)
: @Riot Since the Precision Tree has 4 main runes, can we expect more runes for other Rune Trees?
if they feel the need i guess? but adding more just for kicks doesn't sound good so maybe later on? though unpopularopinion: I'm hoping for another rune rework with less utilities that unbalance the game.
Erdamon (EUNE)
: Is that it for Rumble?
I personally think it's fine though i don't play rumble much mind you i would like to remind you that the pro's did play him a lot and the second he sticks his head out of the barrel he's going back up there again. I know what people will say "they shouldn't balance the game around the pro's " well you're telling that to the wrong person as i don't work for riot but just my 2 cents you may not want to buff him too much.
: I believe the same thing about Vayne Yasou and Riven. because even though they can have a bunch of things done they are balanced so that even if you use the low end of they abilities you can carry. This is why when people meet these champions they dont go meta champions they go their absolute best pocket picks so they can shut them down at least try to go even with them.
The hard thing about yasuo is mostly paying attention to your dashes, can't just dash through thing mindlessly gotta set up a road / way back after engaging.
: Combination of high impact abilities, low risk, and ease of use
yup, i know people say janna has a skill ceiling i believe them. But she is very easy to pick up if you know how the game works, once you know how ganks/ warding/ and peels work in the overall game janna becomes a breeze. When i first started i didn't get janna, now i'm like OP
: Did the person who designed new skin even see how the old one looked like? Or did Riot just show them a picture of new Irelia and said "now make an icy skin for her"? This isn't even a "dework", as you put it. It's complete deletion of a skin - nothing from the original concept remains. It's not Frostblade Irelia anymore, it's fucking Winter Wonder Irelia and certainly not what anyone who ever bought it paid for.
the new skin has a more frejilord type of vive. So i'm guessing they went with their thematic ice theme rather than it's own thing which it was before :/ it's a shame. The artic clothing of the ice people of league is cool but uniqueness in skin should be a thing.
Onotori (NA)
: I'd love to quit this game.
I'm quitting tomorrow for like 2 to 3 weeks because ni no kuni 2 comes out and then far cry 5. Though Ni no kuni has met the quality bar even though a lot of sites are using the clit bait and bringing the score down for a desperate click ( disgusting ) idk about far cry 5 and it's getting a lot more suspicious considering it releases soon and still no reviews.
: Youtube banned guns
Might be the chance to start a momentum to promote and find a better place than youtube. After all as far as i know youtube was started by random people then they sold it to google.
Vahn65 (NA)
: For Everyone Crying About Irelia's Ass
So what did the mods remove? that's what i'm interested in.
Luralin (NA)
: Final Fantasy is pretentious garbage
> [{quoted}](name=Luralin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WqQIOlEK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-21T01:19:26.685+0000) > > Final Fantasy is pretentious garbage you have a right to your opinion sir. But War of the Lions was pretty fucking good.
LankPants (OCE)
: There are slight differences in this case, people have already paid for this skin. That's why it's so disgusting that you're probably right.
I feel for you guys, i was extremely happy with the work they did with crabbot urgot. But urgot had less skins so this one isn't a surprised. But keep complaining maybe they will change it. I remember people complained about tango eve and they did edit her.
Rioter Comments
: {{champion:34}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:80}}{{champion:36}}
glad someome mention pantheon. He needs some serious VU
LankPants (OCE)
: I hate how huge of a downgrade this skin is compared to the old one. Without sugar coating it, it looks bad. If Riot actually wants to be a 'players first' company this skin needs to go back to the drawing board because the changes to it are frankly a huge mistake.
they're not going to do that. People been complaining about some skins year round and no changes are made. Example the rakkan and xayha valentine skins.
: i fully disagree with you its impossible to rework all top laners at once progress takes many single steps at a time to get it right also i love more complex champions i despise all these old champions like {{champion:23}} {{champion:11}} who just right click to delete anyone while being hard to run from and having no way to respond to them without hard CC or being {{champion:17}} also simple champions that are new tend to be unfun to play against see {{champion:420}} for more details
is there actually a high skill ceiling top laner? they're usually kept very simple as far as i know. I can't think of any atm though. So Irelia would kind of be the first, unless you wanna count yasuo as he's been going top often too.
: You have to admit, he has a point. OP is being intensely vague and trying to play off the fact that the philosophies he speaks of even exist, and not mentioning that we had stuff that were worse back then than now.
never forget. {{champion:38}} {{champion:91}} and {{champion:7}} used to silence with their bread and butter move. And {{champion:24}} dodged
: Support Chat
{{champion:80}}
: Can Irelia mid with her new kit now?
depends on the match up. Example you can play {{champion:56}} mid fairly well but there's some match ups that just don't favor him.
: Riot, why did you continue to promote power creep toplane ?
Irelia hasn't released yet chill. Besides i have a strong feeling she's going to be the next yasuo. Yes i mean people are just gonna feed with her.
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