: Twitch damage doesnt seems to suffer neither his range.
: I think it was slayers, may be wrong.
Skirmishers and assassins are slayer subclasses.
: For a champ that relies on being fully cloaked 60% of the time, she is ironically really easy to detect compared to an ADC who's invisibility is built for being an ambush option... Even if she indeed has more tools tied to this invisibility, its supposed to be her main attribute, the same attribute that appears on a rat while being 10x better
Remember that a passive like that has to take away from power elsewhere. If it was as good as Twitch, her damage would suffer.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TO8WoJNp,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-19T18:13:41.725+0000) > > Ok, first of all I do not work for Riot. If anything, I’m a volunteer. > > Second, I’m trying to advocate that it’s not Eve needing buffs, it’s bullshit like Twitch needing nerfs. But its not just Twitch.. Pretty much everyone who isn't a flat tank is capable of 100-0 most targets, so whats the point of squishy assassins like Eve?
See, there’s a reason I think damage is too high right now.
: Yasuo isn't considered an Assassin anymore according to the client. (Which is really weird considering Master Yi is one)
They both belong in the skirmisher class.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d4AmE5XL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-19T16:20:41.238+0000) > > It’s because he has very little actually going for him so he gets more power budget in his ult. > > He’s an old design that needs a VGU. What part of his kit is underwhelming, the 1400g stats at level 1, the ability to deny the enemy 2600g worth of stats if they're AD, the high base damages on his E, the resourceless kit that generates a 'resource' from auto attacking, gaining massive stats from it early + still being effective late, and a heal that he can spam after generating these resources. Exactly which part of his kit is underwhelming or in need of buffs. He's an extremely linear kit design with a high focus on 'invisible stats' from his abilities rather than items. He's worse than Yasuo, at least Yasuo doesn't become immortal for 5 seconds and have 1400g extra lvl 1, he has to spend gold to gain the efficiency from his passive. Yasuo windwall might be annoying, but at least he's not pressing a button that removes 80 AD from me. Yasuo tower dives me, there is a skill matchup going on, there is a chance for me to not only outplay him, but beat him and kill him. 5 seconds, F I V E S E C O N D S of unkillability. Yes, he's garbage in a teamfight (Tryndamere), as is **any** champion that get's focused, the point is that we shouldn't have to expend every single resource on one player, moreso due to his ability to simply press a button and become unkillable for 5 seconds. They should introduce counterplay in the form of removing his ability to use it while cc'd, stuns should block him from activating it, that would go a looooooooooooooong way towards making it feel like a far more reasonable chance. He'd have to play as if he had a brain in order to properly play Tryndamere, and he'd have to grab a QSS rather early into the game (while still being vulnerable to successive CC or while it was on CD). If he tries to tower dive you but doesn't activate his ult properly, you could simply stun him and kill him, rather than him pressing it at the last moment and living for 5 seconds to auto you while you can't do anything (can't run away he has a slow AND a dash), and you can't kill him. It's not very interesting or entertaining to play against him. How many champions in the game can use their ultimate while hard cc'd? Other than Tryndamere of course.
Simply put, his reliance on RNG. Look, I don’t think he’s a healthy champion by any means, but he’s so reliant on chance that is takes control out of the player most of the time when trying to trade.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TO8WoJNp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-19T16:13:58.736+0000) > > On note of their camouflage: Twitch’s is on a longer cooldown, costs mana (last I checked) and doesn’t last as long as Eve’s. > > Eve’s could probably be a little smaller but I don’t think it should be twitch’s size. LOL don't even try to justify it. Your entire company refuses to acknowledge that ADCs are just better versions of Assassins. Twitch camo gets reset on takedown and gives him MS/AS
Ok, first of all I do not work for Riot. If anything, I’m a volunteer. Second, I’m trying to advocate that it’s not Eve needing buffs, it’s bullshit like Twitch needing nerfs.
0Jenny0 (EUNE)
: Tbh i like the Kata skin,but the swords and the hair look really weird to me. like the suit is fine imo but the hair doesn't match the splash art.In the splash her hair fades away while in-game it just swirls around like spaghetti. The swords also do not match.They should be looking a bit darker and transparent. IMO {{sticker:katarina-love}}
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TO8WoJNp,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-19T16:32:58.544+0000) > > So...homogenize her kit with other assassins? She was *the* original 'active long duration stealth' champion. Assassins don't work without a gap closer just as they don't work without a focus-break. If Riot wants to spread her damage out over several seconds and deny her strong target access, they should have just made her a Skirmisher. That's their whole MO.
So tell me how giving her a gap closer doesn’t just make her a worse but AP version of Kha’zix?
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TO8WoJNp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-19T16:13:58.736+0000) > > On note of their camouflage: Twitch’s is on a longer cooldown, costs mana (last I checked) and doesn’t last as long as Eve’s. > > Eve’s could probably be a little smaller but I don’t think it should be twitch’s size. I would take active stealth over what Eve has right now in a heartbeat if it meant she got an actual gap-closer.
So...homogenize her kit with other assassins? Edit: she’d be a worst female Kha’zix.
: Tryndamere: Why does he have a 5 second ult and can use it while cc'd?
It’s because he has very little actually going for him so he gets more power budget in his ult. He’s an old design that needs a VGU.
: Wish a rioter would comment on how twitch compares to evelynn right now
On note of their camouflage: Twitch’s is on a longer cooldown, costs mana (last I checked) and doesn’t last as long as Eve’s. Eve’s could probably be a little smaller but I don’t think it should be twitch’s size.
: Evelynn: The Assassin With No Gap Closer
That’s because Eve is supposed to use her stealth to flank people. Honestly the detection range is probably too big, but this isn’t an active ability like twitch that costs mana. It’s always on except when in combat. You made have to increase the cooldown of it when leaving combat in order to decrease the detection zone.
Rioter Comments
: It was originally Lissandra's but Sejuani is currently in possession of it
Which is honestly awkward now because it doesn’t build into anything she’d want. Even GP can build deadmans if he needs defense.
: Could this be Beatrice?
Beatrice could be any of the crows whose eyes we can’t see.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=r4Obs7pm,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-10-18T14:35:55.598+0000) > > Swain being crippled is actually something Riot plays around with as his Tyrant skin removes his crippled walk. So if the developer asks, it’s more of an in joke because Swain is a mastermind who pretends to look physically inept. I may be wrong, but I think you could be reading too much into this. In any case, I don't mind if Swain changes hairstyle and shows his face (heck, I'd like it if he showed his face). But he needs to keep three things: the age, the limp, and above everything, Beatrice.
This is Swain, the man who is 3 steps ahead. This is someone you want to think deep on. IMO he’ll probably keep Beatrice (the crow motif is still in the preview and no one in Noxus officially uses crows) and he will probably still look frail though his age compared to Darius’s has come to debate every now and then.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=MyGfeasH,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2017-10-18T14:38:51.625+0000) > > It does look like it follows chibi logic for its cuteness. Well no. No huge anime eyes, no oversized head. It's a cute bird. Cute and anime are two different things.
http://data.whicdn.com/images/45841608/large.jpg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaii Cute and anime are different but they aren’t so different that they cannot be used together or be referenced as such. Not all anime uses the exact same style (Compare Death Note to Sailor moon for example) and many standard “anime” designs are used to make things cute. Hell, standard anime design was influenced by characters like bugs bunny and Betty Boop. Cute can be separate but that icon doesn’t seem too far off the “anime” designs you dislike.
: My avatar is a cute bird? Where's the anime in that?
It does look like it follows chibi logic for its cuteness.
: As a HUGE fan of Swain, I think they could have ruined all what made him original.
Swain being crippled is actually something Riot plays around with as his Tyrant skin removes his crippled walk. So if the developer asks, it’s more of an in joke because Swain is a mastermind who pretends to look physically inept.
: The soul furnace?
: We got the Champion Roadmap guys!
Holy hell yes, Irelia is next. I hope her stun gets thrown in the furnace.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zatsukino,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5OvPET92,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-10-16T20:47:12.506+0000) > > A new brand female mage with high mobility and burst from CertainlyT the creator of Thresh, Darius, Zed, Kalista, Zyra and Yasuo. Sort of disappointed it's a girl. Not to sound fucked up, but like we have 10 highly mobile female mages its enough......
10 highly mobile female mages? Ahri, Leblanc (arguably), Lissandra (?), and Taliyah(?) are arguably the only mobile female mages.
Elfezen (NA)
: can't understand why they are rushing so hard with new champions when we have so many outdated ones
Different teams. And all of these new champions and reworks start months in advance.
: From reading the boards it seems like these are the kind of characters people want in league
: Who do you want to see updated next for VGU?
Pantheon. Want my old main to get an update.
: Eve is not an autoattack based champ. Shes just not. Theres nothing in her kit that says that. Not sure why lich bane is a suggested item, ludens would be better.
E procs on hit effects. That’s probably why.
Necrozard (EUW)
: I like "Death Sworn" , but i'm missing more "Soul Reaver"
This is how I feel about frozen Shen and frost blade Irelia.
: Except its not pushing power because of the long cooldown but chunking power after witch you still have pitiful damage versus towers because like the rune your champions can only build hp and not real ad. also mages chunk towers harder than this rune and they have no cooldown on it.
So it’s not enough to completely invalidate ADCs at their best job. Ok? I’m fine with that.
: I dunno. Maybe hard cc shouldn't be point and click, though? Mobility shouldn't be completely negated without counterplay, and slows (which can be targetted often) aren't completely negated by mobility either.
Eh, in my experience slows do little to help against mobility such as dashes or blinks.
: > We didn’t even know she took contracts to kill people Uh, yes we did Very first line of her old bio was that she was one of the most expensive assassins in all of Runeterra. That implies hefty contracts. Every line out of her mouth was about how much she enjoyed killing people and causing pain.
Which old bio? The institute of war one? And the killing and pain causing desire is still there. If anything it’s become vital to her survival.
: Yes, because there's more potential stories you can tell with a demonic assassin than a demon. Imagine for a moment that Eve had kept her assassin angle, and the story about Evelynn as a demon was instead about whatever force made her into what she is. You have all the stories you can tell with demon Eve, but also all the ones with the old Eve. (also I'd argue we knew LITTLE about Eve, not 'nothing')
What we knew about Eve was that she was mysterious. We didn’t even know she took contracts to kill people until we got a color story about it. It was basically nothing.
: I think the argument I got was that eve being a mortal character that is an assassin has **better potential** for stories that are interesting/engaging instead of a one-note demon. For example, Miss Fortune is really just a mortal in the context of League of Legends and her new lore focuses more on the introspection of her day-to-day struggles. Same thing with Darius, Nami, Jinx, and Ziggs in their new comics. They're all 'mortal' characters and not insane literal Godlike beings like Kalista, Kindred, Tahm, or Bard. You'd be hardpressed to develop interesting character lore for these godlike beings.
And that I understand. But potential that is taken nowhere is worse than changing a character to something different. That was old Eve, potential that was taken nowhere. I’m not 100% happy with new Eve (I hate that Riot didn’t connect her with TF in any way) lore but I understand why they did it.
: Not really? Unlike Kindred or Tahm we know Eve's origin definitively. >All of the champions exist in lore and can interact with anyone in it. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} I'm not going to dignify that with a response. >It’s just that interactions can appear unlikely given their situations. And she's now lost most of her ability to interact with the rest of Runeterra beyond chance encounters. >I don’t understand why you can’t see that she’s the same kind of category as Tahm. Oh I get that, but that doesn't make her better. How is going from assassin to demon a positive change? How does it make her a better character? AFAICT it just took away what made her unique. It's not even going from human to spirit; we've had updates like that before (Janna comes to mind). But this is the only one where I feel like the character lost something in exchange for nothing.
An assassin we know nothing about is a better character than a demon we know something about?
: An unknown origin can work for a legend or myth like Kindred or Tahm. The problem with Eve is that they tried to go halfway between character and legend, and neither of them really work. >She was an unknown entity? Great and what's is that about? No origin,no story she was just that without any insight. And with her origins revealed as 'ball of shadow' we now know there's nothing worth chewing on in that regard. It also raises a bunch of questions that make her confusing as all heck. If it'd been me (not to sound egotistical), I'd have taken the demon they bring up and have it bond with a human woman (probably either a very depressed or evil AF one) to create what we know as Eve. She'd maintain the human element that made her interesting, but she'd also have the demon side that hungered for human agony. It wouldn't change anything about the new demon lore, and would be an addition to Eve's character rather than a subtraction. >New lore is a vast improvement,but I'm kinda confused why she's classified as lust demon,not demon of agony or demon aether ? Honestly that would probably be more accurate; I call her a lust demon because that's how she lures people in: intense lust and the desire for companionship. No idea what 'demon aether' means.
Except Eve _is_ a myth/legend. She exists in the same way Tahm and Kindred exist (more Tahm though I guess). All of the champions exist in lore and can interact with anyone in it. It’s just that interactions can appear unlikely given their situations. I don’t understand why you can’t see that she’s the same kind of category as Tahm.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NzVQL7PZ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-10-13T13:03:55.696+0000) > > Uhm actually,Vayne is likely her main antagonist(she killed Vaynes parents),but she will likely clash with Ryze as well eventually. > Also she is probably the only villain at the moment who would love to see a new rune wars,which is a fairly unique position in the roster. Eve is VAYNE'S main antagonist, but that doesn't mean Vayne is HER main antagonist. {{champion:28}} : For you, the day Evelynn took your parents was the most important day of your life. For me, it was Tuesday. There's also very little there to work with in terms of character development. > Because thats not enough. > She needs pure pain and misery is alone is simply not enough for her. I get that, they state outright in her color story that she needs the person to fall into deep pain, not just be there. But why though? > Honestly the reason why Tahm is such a mystery is probably because he still doesn't have a bio,just a color story. It doesn't matter why Tahm is a mystery, he's a better character for it. Eve was too. > And Eve was a mystery for several years now,it was time that we finally get something more about her. We DIDN'T get more, that's the problem. Most of what she was before was shaved off and something new put in her place. We got less.
Actually we got more. Evelynn before was basically “no one knows what she is”. Now we know what she is and what she was born from. As for what that is, consider how beings like Sol or Bard came into existence. They just kinda did. Eve is born from suffering, she’s a demon who preys on the pain of others to feel alive. We have an origin, we have a motivation, and we have a more fleshed out personality. We got more.
: > Uhm actually,Vayne is likely her main antagonist(she killed Vaynes parents),but she will likely clash with Ryze as well eventually. > Also she is probably the only villain at the moment who would love to see a new rune wars,which is a fairly unique position in the roster. The problem is that vayne isn't her antogonist, she couldn't care less about her....On the other hand Eve is vayne's antagonist... it's a one sided stick and got no real continuation unless they gonna meet occasionally somewhere, but what are the chances?
Kinda high when you consider Vayne’s job.
: Evelynn missing stealth pre 6 is more bad than good
Didn’t her pre 6 stealth take a large chunk out of her power budget? Riot described Eve as being week early, so I don’t think she’s supposed to be ganking often pre6.
ABcmaSter (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wrathof300,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zX4ipBfh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-12T18:40:23.447+0000) > > Rhaast doesn't know the person's name, so he calls him demon pants, but he knows the Darkin's name is Varus. > Not all in game quotes reflect the lore, this could be an example of what Rhaast 'would' say if he met Varus. > Varus being purple and not the standard colour theme is simply due to him being outdated, Varus was released before Aatrox. Varus is not the darkin. The bow is. He knows the person's name but not the darkin's. Or maybe he assumse the darkin is named Varus if it is a darkin.
Does he ever tell demon pants what he plans to do or is he telling the bow what he plans? Like does he say anything along the lines of, “Hey, Demon Pants, lets go kill shit” Because if not, then Rhaast could be talking to two different people on the same champion.
: More or less, when can we expect to see Swain's visual update?
Probably February if not January. I don’t speak for Riot though.
: Meh. I guess that's enough of an answer, thanks. In that case tho, it means it's not well enough explained in her lore how all of that happens.
IMO her color story could have been better.
: I suppose that's a way to go around it, I just reread her lore and it just said it took her a few weeks to initially create her form, and she hunts almost every day, and when she was stalking the man in her short story she immediately jumped on the opportunity, only thing that changed was that she hid her lashers from plain sight. So how the heck would she know what anyone preferred if she jumps her victims immediately? Can she magically sense all of people's emotions? If so I think it should be specifically mentioned. The other variant is that the standard in Runeterra is that everyone's pan instead of straight but Riot wouldn't have the balls to do that lmao.
Basically she’s an Empath. She can feel emotions and read desires from them. It’s how she hunts.
: Yordles embody ideals that inspire humans, so we have one for each major region ({{champion:150}} for the Freljord, {{champion:74}} for Piltover, {{champion:115}} for Zaun, {{champion:240}} for Noxus, {{champion:78}} for Demacia, {{champion:85}} for Ionia and possibly {{champion:32}} for Shurima), plus those who live in Bandle City ({{champion:17}}, {{champion:18}}, {{champion:68}}, {{champion:42}}, {{champion:117}}) and {{champion:45}} (who's roaming around the world because he's **ebil**). If we want a female yordle who's meaningful for the world building, we are left with only 3 possible options: a die-hard hunter from the Kumungu jungle, a mischievous thief from Bilgewater, or an honorable fighter from Mount Targon.
A Pirate yordle you say?
: There's a fatal flaw in Evelynn's visual design
Evelynn appears as a forbidden desire to her targets. Meaning that she can become a man shaped being for straight women/gay men.
SEKAI (OCE)
: Now I know where [this shit post](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/72UnXzzo-i-think-we-have-to-many-yordle-women) came from...
jama655 (NA)
: you have skarrl
Skaarl isn’t a yordle.
: You didn't say you want more yordles. You specifically said you want more yordle WOMEN. Is that..... a fetish?
Well specifically I feel that we really lack diversity amongst the three female yordles and we already have more males that females. So I’d like to see more balance in their genders. But you can think whatever.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: You are right, we need more female yordles. Personality I would enjoy: The female yordles we currently have are pretty cheery. Therefore, I would go for a personality that is more dark or gloomy. Just spilling out an idea now: We know that Yordles are oftenly mistrusted, even hunted, since we got the comic with Zigmund, Heimerdinger and Jinx. How about a female yordle, who went insane because of that. She felt lonely, since no one wanted to be with her. And that's why she is **forcing** people to be with her. Imagine a crazy dark female yordle, who is trapping the souls of people in voodoo dolls, to force them to give her company. She is wandering around from town to town, looking for new friends to add to her collection. Maybe there could even be ghost stories about her. I think that would fit a jungler pretty well and gives some great opportunity for story telling. They could even write a story, in which she entrapped a champion in one of her dolls, but the allies of that champ managed to get the soul back.
I like the way you think.
: And you just can't hide it?
Why? Finally, we have pushing power _outside_ ADCS so that we actually don't need to rely on keeping the marksman alive in the teamfight to push after. That's great!
: Every tank is a Rift Herald now (LUL)
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