: I'm not really talking about magic here. Thing is ezreal is just a kid that didn't like school but loved exploring things so he just did that and became good at it. alot of people will be able to kinda relate to that. (with his new lore he became more indiana jones than before but the base description is still there) Meanwhile Talon (while yes a normal human that doesn't use magic) was a street orphan, that had to steal, kill and scavenge to survive. He had to become Good or die. Infact he became so good Katarina's dad picked him from the streets. And let's not forget that the LEague itself is no longer lore. Talon does not actually compete with a Galaxy eating dragon, a walking mountain or a big pupper with a staff and magic. The first two probably wouldn't even be bothered by him.
Idk, I think the most normal person in this game is {{champion:104}}. Why? -No magical ability. -No really special abilities beyond being good with his gun. Even other marksmen have other things about them that help them stand out. Graves just seems like the guy who could easily fit in our world.
: The stripe in Kayn's hair doesn't seem to fit with the rest of his design
: I don't understand why people keep finding all these deep personal reasons when with young women it's all about looks. Plain and simple, women are just as physical as men and if they have a choice they will go for the most attractive one available (except in the case of extreme red flags ofc).
I want to disagree, but I've been to enough adult parties to know that you're right.
: What do you call Kayn when he's had too much weed?
: No, it's something smart people do. Or do you want to defend nazism and saying calling them evil is subjective? I make my decisions on what is good and bad. Look, I appreciate trying to call me a child as an insult, but it won't work. It's a compliment for me.
> [{quoted}](name=LunSeiSleidee,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dprWGKAJ,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-28T17:50:21.128+0000) > > No, it's something smart people do. Or do you want to defend nazism and saying calling them evil is subjective? I make my decisions on what is good and bad. > You do realize that morality itself is a human creation and does not actually exist right? So it by its very nature is subjective. So yes, calling the Nazi's evil (not that I disagree with that opinion) is subjective. There were Nazi's who thought they were good, and even if that's a poor example, there are _Terrorists_ who think they are right despite the actions they take. Morality is subjective. You make your choices on what _you_ think is good or bad. You're not being objective, you're being subjective.
: All the games I've seen in your match history as nasus you dont build him tanky, that could be your problem right there.
Speedweeb (EUW)
: About Aesthetics, Edgyness, Target Groups or whatever...
Why does everyone think Galio is just "excited punchy guy"? Do they not see all the lines?
: I'm 33.
You don't act like it to be honest.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TB46RnG0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-28T18:13:02.081+0000) > > Is Nasus meant to be a splitpusher, or a teamfighter focused champion? With such an ancient design, I doubt such things were considered at the time. But he was supposed to be "the late game god" and that just doesn't feel as such.
Silly HateDaddy. Don't you know that the domain late game power is directly out of reach for every melee champion? Let alone late game godhood.
Rexxiee (NA)
: Ppl defended release camille too btw.
Good thing he hasn't actually been released yet or else you'd have an argument. Still on the PBE.
: The biggest issue Nasus faces is that he never truly feels tanky
Is Nasus meant to be a splitpusher, or a teamfighter focused champion?
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6FdiTkyg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-28T18:01:58.405+0000) > > That would vastly increase Nasus's stacking speed from mid to late, making him a much bigger timebomb. > > I'm not saying Nasus is strong right now, but I don't think he suddenly needs his Q to get AoE stacking. Exactly his mid-late game stacking is too slow, where he should actually be a powerful threat.
Idk, I think that might be too much honestly. Buffing Nasus, especially his stacking, is always a tricky subject because you get this very high damage champion with a low cooldown burst button that becomes very difficult to kill because of all the defense he gets. At least Veigar remains squishy because he builds AP.
: Iceborn Gauntlet should let Nasus stack multiple units at once
That would vastly increase Nasus's stacking speed from mid to late, making him a much bigger timebomb. I'm not saying Nasus is strong right now, but I don't think he suddenly needs his Q to get AoE stacking.
: Instead of giving Skarner a full VGU
But the spires don't look fun at all...
Gapybo (EUW)
: Just remove his damn spires. Such a nuisance to deal with. I lost interest in him completely with the new passive.
Yes. This is the biggest reason why I have no desire to even try him. That and I find playing a giant scorpion weird, but mostly the spires.
: So, question, do people like this stuff? I'm not really all up to date on internet lingo and whatnot, but I've only ever heard "edgelord" used derogatorily.
We are using it in a derogatory way but not negatively. It's like calling someone, "You motherfucker" as a term of endearment. You know, when you smile and laugh when you call a friend that.
Crewx (NA)
: Witchy theme, talking scythe, bright colors - The skin is a Soul Eater reference. And in that case... it's extremely resonant. Fitting choice of words, there. The only way it could be more of a reference is if Raast also played piano and the pair shouted, "LET'S GO, SOUL RESONANCE" when ulting (It's a phrase from the show/manga).
I thought it was a bloodborn reference with the hat.
: which i did say in my comment that, to summarize "its stupid i have to basically permaban a new cham on release because i cant trust me temamates not to pick him and feed out their asses" Gosh what a genius solution. Thansk for the primo advice.
It's not as if you just can't, oh I don't know, not play ranked for a few weeks with the new champion? Or just accept this shit is going to happen and try to adapt? Besides, with ten bans it's more than likely someone on the other team might ban him. And if not, well it's just going to be a shitty game. Like when you have any other game where someone does very poorly.
: Pre-made honors are the exact same as any other honors. Honestly it doesn't even matter about abuse cases because there isn't anything in the honor update that's worth while. For starters, I already own both Grey Warwick and Medieval Twitch before the update, so the "special skins" are worthless to me. I am only missing around 13 champions now, so after I have them the skin shards are worthless to me. I already have 10+ keys and no chests to open with them, so the key fragments are worthless to me. When Riot made this system, they thought about the bulk majority, but they forgot about us older players who don't smurf over and over that own pretty much everything the new honor system gives.
So...there is stuff worthwhile to the general populace, but not to the smaller groups. That just means that honor abuse doesn't effect you individually that much.
: Why not make duskblad the lethality sheen item
Yeah I don't want ADCs to get a sheen item that can work well with their builds (for lethality ADCs anyway, even with the changes to how lethality scales).
: Are champions without predefined skill shots op?
So what exactly are you suggesting should be done?
: wow except that unlike lag spikes and DCs, someone can prevent this. They can not play a new champ in a serious game mode.
Yeah except not everyone is a decent person. You can't really control someone else's actions. Unless you decide to ban the champ.
: Okay but you just said yourself "higher elo" and "youtubers" IE people that are objectively GOOD at the game. (or specifically make this game their job in the case of YTers) However us Bronzie/silver/gold folks? Its really fucking annoying trying to climb when "I_<3_Kayn_9001" is playing him merely three hours after release _**IN MY PROMOS!!!!!**_ (and before you ask yeah it happens, It was a xayah and rakan that didnt know about the recall feature. It was a Galio that thought you ulted enemies. It was a camille that ULTS UNDER ENEMY TOWERS! but only one of those was my actual promos. And we lost. Shocker.) you cant prove Riot uses ONLY ranked data to balance a new champ any more than he can prove they use normals ONLY. In fact im 99.99% sure they use BOTH, but one of them costs some players LP dealing with idiots. Maybe we can think of a way to prevent this liiiiike idk, a temporary ban on new champs in ranked FORCING people to play the "for fun and casual" normals for only a week before hitting the big boy arena? At least after a week I can assume you might know what you are doing. And PS most new champs arent adjusted until 1 whole month after playing them. thats 1 week out of ranked, and three of them in. Pretty sure thats PLENTY of data to make your calls. If not hit up site likehere, reddit, or the COUNTLESS stat sites available. If you thinkg riot needs only ranked data to balance you are 100% wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=WeebTrashSupreme,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hRPZbukW,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-28T16:42:47.540+0000) > > Okay but you just said yourself &quot;higher elo&quot; and &quot;youtubers&quot; IE people that are objectively GOOD at the game. (or specifically make this game their job in the case of YTers) > > However us Bronzie/silver/gold folks? Its really fucking annoying trying to climb when &quot;I_&lt;3_Kayn_9001&quot; is playing him merely three hours after release _**IN MY PROMOS!!!!!**_ > (and before you ask yeah it happens, It was a xayah and rakan that didnt know about the recall feature. It was a Galio that thought you ulted enemies. It was a camille that ULTS UNDER ENEMY TOWERS! but only one of those was my actual promos. And we lost. Shocker.) > I know it sucks, but so does having someone DC in the middle do to some random lag spike. Point is, shit happens.
: Kayn and Talon Inconsistency
Beyond the higher burst and more range on his AoE?
: Now that Skarner's been confirmed to be slated for a VGU
>Now that Skarner's been confirmed to be slated for a VGU Links. Details. I need to know where they said this!
GreenLore (EUW)
: Pestilence. The first rider is sometimes said to be pestilence and sometimes said to be conquest. Since there are 5 darkin,it is likely that they'd split the first rider into pestilence and conquest. Even more fitting would be the fact that the first rider has 2 iconic items,the bow and the crown,so one of them could be a bow,the other could be a crown(imagine a darkin who is a crown that has eyes instead of jewels). And Rhaasts VO implies that Varus is getting corrupted by a darkin,so that'd mean that Varus is likely the host of either pestilence or conquest.(Personally I'd say pestilence would make more sense,since his corruption spreads through his body like a disease). This is of course assuming that all darkins will be based on the horsemen.
Honestly it's only pestilence to replace conquest.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Yeah Kayn and akali really feel like counterparts to each other. Now Zed only needs his own Yordle.
Female assassin please. Hell, make her a wood element ninja! No wait it has to be Shadow in some way...crap.
: When is Garen getting nerfed?
Shadewolf (EUW)
: %damage is nothing special anymore
On point 4: it allows them to actually trade in lane with some relevant damage against other top laners early. So yes because it makes them interactive in lane (don't like how Mao does it though).
Rioter Comments
: People actually complain about junglers taking kills? lol All the matters is that the enemy is dead
Eh...arguably no. If I'm playing a carry top and you keep denying my snowball then I'm not going to be as useful as I could be.
: Why does Kayne not use energy?
Because he needs to be gated somewhere.
: No, it allows you to still chose the other form even when the enemy's either all ranged or all melee (like that ever happens.)
Yeah, that's what I find weird because I thought your choice depended on how much ranged or melee champions you farmed up compared to the other.
ZyniX (NA)
: Yeah I can make up points off the top of my head too but that doesn't make them accurate. You don't know what Riot does and does not use. There is zero reason to have new champs playable in ranked sorry.
So are you going to express actual data to prove me wrong or just call me out? I'm only basing my observations from conversations with higher elo friends (plat and diamond) and from the viewpoints of some YouTubers (Like Stonewall008) who have expressed that normals are more for fun than serious. Since ranked play is designed to be played at your best, it stands to reason that it's the best place to get the most accurate data. Now that does not mean I agree with people who play a new champion the first time in ranked games. I'd design a threshold of requiring at least three normal games before you're allowed to play new champions in ranked for the first patch. But that wasn't the point of my post.
Penns (EUW)
: His passive is weird af since both soul-types only fill up a single bar. Not 100% sure how that works yet either but I know that, after a 4 minute timer, you can transform into both forms. So even against a full ranged team, you just need to fill up the bar and then wait 4 minutes, then you can transform into the Darkin as well.
Huh...that's really weird.
ZyniX (NA)
: They can easily do the same for regular blind pick and draft.
No one in any elo worth taking data from for balance takes norms or blinds seriously. That's why they don't use that data.
: I mean it's really about how Riot is just making fan theories coming true while not being creative apparently. Hinting a lazy choice....Because I thought they don't try to read theories they last said, otherwise it would seem like they aren't using their pwn ideas..
There's nothing wrong with reading theories if it leads to a good idea, and sometimes you can reach the same idea without seeing it elsewhere. I wouldn't argue it's lazy either. If it makes sense to what Riot's vision in the overall story is, then I don't see why they shouldn't do it. It can also show that Riot does listen to their fan base and wants to support our creativity.
Prime159 (NA)
: not sure if it changed since the first month, but his e, if enemies are grouped, IS an aoe knock up. Not sure where you got this info, but i have been maining galio the last couple weeks.
Watching the gameplay spotlight now, specifically says it knocks up the first and **only** first champion hit. I have never had him knock up multiple people with his E when I played him. I'm going to need a video for evidence.
ENB (NA)
: Jungler mains. Any reason why you keep taking the laners kills?
Some junglers are carry junglers that rely more on getting themselves fed than their laners.
Speedweeb (EUW)
: The trope of the cursed object corrupting the hero with the promise of power is as old as fantasy (The Ring in Lord of the Rings?!), heck even antique mythology at some point. I think the market is a bit oversaturated, that's my view on it.
I tend to agree the market is over saturated. Thankfully at least Kayn is himself not very morally sound (so there isn't much to actually corrupt. It's more a struggle of superego (Kalyn's big plan) and id (Rhaast's bloodlust)).
: If Kayn goes for the Shadow Assassin route he won't have access to Darkin form's Knockup and overall survivability with the innate Life steal Rhaast gets. He'll play more like Zed as he'll suck against tanky opponents but he'll be great at assassinating squishies. He gives up a ton of utility and durability in favor of being able to eliminate high priority targets.
My only grip is that depending on the enemy comp, he actually isn't giving up much because he'll be harvesting the most common of the comp. How often do both choices present themselves? Or does a choice only present itself when you have farmed enough for that choice?
: The thing is....he already had a bow. There just happen to be another bow in the thing he's guarding?
Why not? A bow isn't an uncommon weapon. It makes sense that a bow could be used as a vessel to imprison something like a Darkin.
: Then what is the Pit of Pallas? Isn't there still corruption seething? For All i know, anyone can become a Darkin just going to that place. I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure a choice like that is going to fit right.
Simply put, the pit no longer exists. Instead it was replaced by the bow as Varus's duty to guard.
: "Kayn is Camille all over again"
That's Rhaast though, what about the Shadow Assassin form?
: Wasn't making Varus a Darkin a bit ...out of the blue?
It allows for more connections which can make the world actually feel like a world rather than just a setting. Think of it like how the Noxus capital is now Mordekaiser's original fortress. It wasn't like that before, but making that connection official adds a little depth and suspense into the situation. With Varus's bow being a Darkin, we now have a better idea of what he's struggling with and what he may become if it isn't too late. We get a sense of the scale.
: Zac is balanced so stop banning him
Ok, on topic 1 I have to ask who you are comparing this to? Three forms of hard CC is actually a lot on a CC heavy playstyle kit. Alistar has three hard CC abilities, Nautilus has three, Sejuani has three, Maokai has three, Poppy has three, Galio has three, etc. If anything, having one or two forms of hard CC is considered "low" but even that shouldn't be overlooked because of how powerful Sion, Shen, and Amumu are, tanks that have at max two forms of hard CC. Having three forms of hard CC in a kit designed for a CC heavy playstyle isn't lack luster, it's average.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JHyAOfyF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-28T13:39:39.779+0000) > > While I&#x27;m not really sure about making Yorick&#x27;s E able to summon ghouls, I do agree that after laning phase he has much more difficulty in summoning ghouls, especially in teamfights. Granted he&#x27;s not supposed to be even that great in teamfights, since he&#x27;s supposed to splitpush (and it&#x27;s not hard to get three graves from a single wave so long as you&#x27;re alone). > > Since Yorick is intended to be weaker without his ghouls, I think they should make passive grave generation much faster after laning. In lane it&#x27;s every 12 deaths spawns a grave, out of lane it should be much shorter, like every three minion deaths by 16 spawn a grave or something. Yo Ralanr Good to see your comment on the matter. I understand that as a split pusher Yorick is not going to be that good at teamfights but without ghouls, all he has is his Q and a weak poke with his E. In some matchups his W can wall people and secure kills but being gated like that means he is an easy kill and only gets off because he builds tanky like most juggs do. If you placed such obstacles on other, squisher champs that summon pets, they would be trash tier in no time. This also means that he can't in the laning phase, pull a reversal on a gank. Unlike Ilaoi and Darius with Tentacle overload or double passive stacking. Many time when you got pets you are 125-150% power and around 66-75% without them. Yorick on the otherhand is at 100% power with ghouls and 50% without them. that is bad design (that is when you are excluding ults ofc)
Imo, most juggernauts actually suck at dealing or reversing ganks (but that's because in my experience the lack of hard CC makes it very difficult. I play mainly tank though so I'm biased). Imo it isn't exactly bad design since Riot wanted to push the necromancer part on Yorick. Plus if Yorick was strong without his ghouls then he wouldn't have a clear window of weakness to capitalize on and he'd be more oppressive with his ghouls. The ghouls themselves need to be more durable to spells and AoE abilities imo. I think it's fine that one AA kills then, it means some champions will be slower to kill them over others. But with how much time it takes for them to come up, having them removed by AoE or dying in one tower shot late game feels unsatisfactory. At the very least they should be much more resistant to AoE damage late game and be able to take two tower shots before death. And maybe the tower could focus the ghouls before the maiden (or does it focus the maiden before the ghouls? Either way, it makes the maiden a rather poor solo push threat).
Jo0o (NA)
: His passive already does scale. By late game it's every 4 minion deaths.
Yeah I don't even notice that late game.
: Throwing down the gauntlet about Yorick. (From a Yorick Main)
While I'm not really sure about making Yorick's E able to summon ghouls, I do agree that after laning phase he has much more difficulty in summoning ghouls, especially in teamfights. Granted he's not supposed to be even that great in teamfights, since he's supposed to splitpush (and it's not hard to get three graves from a single wave so long as you're alone). Since Yorick is intended to be weaker without his ghouls, I think they should make passive grave generation much faster after laning. In lane it's every 12 deaths spawns a grave, out of lane it should be much shorter, like every three minion deaths by 16 spawn a grave or something.
: Uhhh no, Tabi's is being bought because it's just a good boot. It helps you duel other AA'er (aka, the other adc) and it mitigates a lot of assassin's damage. ADC's in the past use to only get 1 attack speed item then they'd build AD.. (vayne/twitch being an exception of course) Now you generally get 2 attack speed items anyways so the beserkers arn't a must. YES you can get them, they're still good boots. But in terms of surviving which AD's tend to do these days.. Tabi's are a great option.
Getting berserkers when all crit items except ER and IE give AS seems overkill anyway imo.
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