: NA Clash test starts August 19
Glad its coming back but scheduling it for the same weekend as the NA LCS Finals is extremely frustrating. Why couldn't you wait an extra week?
: Preseason Dev Update Number 3!
With drake timer being reduced does that mean its possible to get 6 or 7 drakes before elder spawns or are you reducing the initial spawn time of elder as well?
: Learn more: Worlds Season 2018 Event
I would buy the pass if it contributed to the prize pool but since it doesn't explicitly say that the pass goes to the prize pool I probably won't. Also, 25% is a bit low. At least give the teams half.
: what is toxic and what is banter?
The people you are playing with are strangers so in general I'd say treat them like how you would treat someone you were meeting for the first time in real life. In general, shit talking is only appropriate when you already have an established positive relationship with someone so I would argue that most shit talking is not appropriate for games, especially since tone is extremely important with things like playful insults and you can't convey tone with typing.
: Fix "nexus blitz" game mode
What about "alpha game mode" don't you understand?
Rioter Comments
Lirb (NA)
: What do you do when you miss a 50/50 smite?
You can't control people's actions or reponses. All you can do is make sure you drop a vision ward before starting drake/baron so the jungler doesn't have vision of the pit (which should put the odds in your favor.) I never start drake/baron if the enemy jungler is nearby and I don't have a vision ward down.
: > [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2nOTjlj,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-05-02T04:37:13.639+0000) > > So because I don’t play ranked that immediately invalidates anything I might say? How very elitist of you... > > All I was addressing was the fact that he said both supports and assassins are op yet he only called for the head of the support. > > Then again I’m just a support main who doesn’t play ranked so everything I say must immediately be downvoted to purgatory. You are the primary reason I don’t do ranked- I would rather not associate myself with Neanderthals who think their birthday should be a national holiday and that their words can turn water into wine. > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} Well, honestly speaking, normal games is not actual League of Legends. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=hawthorn+tree If you would look to my smurf, and at the normal game where I went 11/7/8 as Talon, you might notice that my jungler was the rank 3 challenger of the NA server at that time. Does that mean that my skills are anywhere close to challenger, or even high diamond? I'd say not. Normal games are not a showcase of skill whatsoever, and unless I know that you are at least somewhat skilled at this game, of course I won't be inclined to listen to your opinions. Would you trust someone who doesn't know Football to commentate a Football match? And, again is it really that hard to understand that we have to set up assassin nerfs by first taking away the reason why assassins need to be so strong? The fact that OP is calling this an "arms race" and not making this threat simply "supports OP qq" should already imply the things you want him to say. If you can't even understand that...well, I'll just say that I'm glad you're already doing the world the favor of staying out of ranked.
> [{quoted}](name=Steel Blossom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2nOTjlj,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-02T05:05:29.273+0000) > > Well, honestly speaking, normal games is not actual League of Legends. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=hawthorn+tree If you would look to my smurf, and at the normal game where I went 11/7/8 as Talon, you might notice that my jungler was the rank 3 challenger of the NA server at that time. Does that mean that my skills are anywhere close to challenger, or even high diamond? I'd say not. Normal games are not a showcase of skill whatsoever, and unless I know that you are at least somewhat skilled at this game, of course I won't be inclined to listen to your opinions. Would you trust someone who doesn't know Football to commentate a Football match? > > And, again is it really that hard to understand that we have to set up assassin nerfs by first taking away the reason why assassins need to be so strong? The fact that OP is calling this an "arms race" and not making this threat simply "supports OP qq" should already imply the things you want him to say. If you can't even understand that...well, I'll just say that I'm glad you're already doing the world the favor of staying out of ranked. Whether or not someone plays ranked doesn't say ANYTHING about their knowledge of the game. Someone can have a lot of knowledge about the game without ever playing it at a competative level. There are plenty of great football coaches and commentators who never played the game competatively. Your argument is a complete logical fallacy. Its like saying someone can't have worthwhile views on religion or philosophy unless they have a graduate degree in those subjects.
RuFiot (EUW)
: Tell me about this.. all the rage posts i have made.. League community are bunch of douchebags and some of those douchebags are riot employees that don't fix that problem, probably bunch of ahri mains tbh..
> [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KJEQ5wEE,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-04-30T19:29:44.261+0000) > > Tell me about this.. all the rage posts i have made.. > > League community are bunch of douchebags and some of those douchebags are riot employees that don't fix that problem, probably bunch of ahri mains tbh.. General life advice: if everyone around you seems like douchebags then odds are the issue is with you, not them.
: I'm not a flat earther or anything but believing we're just floating through nothingness told by a group of people with no way to see it for ourselves is kind of hard to believe.
> [{quoted}](name=Sandsexual,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3WNOlEnL,comment-id=00000006,timestamp=2018-01-09T21:11:19.100+0000) > > I'm not a flat earther or anything but believing we're just floating through nothingness told by a group of people with no way to see it for ourselves is kind of hard to believe. Well, you can pretty easily do the experiments yourself to prove the earth is round. There's plenty of options. Once you do that its pretty easy to follow similar trains of logic to prove to yourself that thousands of scientists aren't in on a global conspiracy. First is you can look at the angle of Polaris above the horizon. If the earth is round then the angle of Polaris above the horizon should be equal to your Latitude (spoiler alert: it is.) If the earth was flat then Polaris would be at a >45 degree angle at the equator and a >60 degree angle at most latitudes in the US and Europe. Second, you can look at how much of the earth is illuminated during different times during the year. On a globe earth half the earth is illuminated at all times, what parts are illuminated change depending on the rotation of the earth around its axis and the earth's rotation around the sun. On a flat earth the "spotlight" that the sun produces changes from an oval during the summer solstice to a half circle at the equinox to a crescent shape at the winter solstice. Flat earthers can't explain any reason why the sun's illumination would change so drastically with the seasons. Third, you can observe the curvature of the earth by watching large ships sail over the horizon. I was an Officer on a Submarine and I literally watched thousands of ships go over the horizon or come over the horizon and we used simple math to calculate how far away ships were based on how much of the ship was obscured by the horizon. You can also watch video's on youtube of "double sunsets" where if you change your height of eye fast enough you can cause the sun to rise up above the horizon only to set again. Heck, you can even go to tall building with a friend and prove that the sun sets at different times for people at different heights of eye (by having one of you observe sunset from the ground and having one of you observe sunset from the top of the building.) Fourth, you can prove the earth is round with simple flight paths of commercial airliners. Just use a flight tracker to track non-stop flights in the northern and southern hemispheres. If the earth was flat then it would take a plane much longer to travel equal amounts of longitude in the southern hemisphere than in the northern hemisphere. However, the times are nearly equal, indicating that the world is indeed round. And there are many, many other ways you can prove to yourself the world is round. Trust me, it would be near impossible to hide a secret that big. Tens of thousands of people would need to be involved in the cover up.
: Patch 8.1 notes
So what honor do you start at if, for example, you ended the ranked season at level 4 but during the preseason you reached rank 5? Also, if we start at a higher checkpoint at the beginning of the season do we get the rewards for the checkpoints we skipped?
: My only thing about rewards is that I have SOOO many keys/fragments! It would be nice if you could disenchant them for something or offer another crafting route like x amount can give you a chest. With so many keys and the way you EARN chests (not buy them), it is counter intuitive to how most players suggest you get better at the game; play the same champ over and over. I do like that you are addressing the concerns about rewards tho, don't get me wrong. Keep up the good work.
I'd personally love it if we could transform chests into keys and vice versa. Maybe at a ratio of 2:1 to make it less abusable. I have the opposite problem of you, too many chests and no keys.
: Who will the next Darkin "Varus' Sister" be?
New champion, most likely based around pestilence. I'm guessing a DoT mage. There are 5 roles in the game and 5 darkin (Aatrox = top, Kayn = jungle, Varus =bot) so the Sister will most likely be a mid laner or support. I'm guessing a support since Varus is the one looking for her (bot/support tend to hang together).
: Last modified: may 31 2016. I don't consider a year and a half ago to be "new" still.
click the link: Last modified: December 6, 2017.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: You'll eventually get M6/M7/an S on a champ if you play them long enough
True. Matchmaking pairs you up with people of your skill level so even if you are horrible eventually you will get paired up with people so bad that you'll get an S off them. That said, if someone can consistently get S ratings on a champion or if they can get S ratings on many champions then I do think that is a sign of higher skill for whatever elo they are getting matched in. For example, if a bronze player is consistently getting S ratings then he could probably get to silver no problem if he put a little effort into it. However, him getting S ratings in bronze doesn't mean he is diamond level or anything.
Skezl (NA)
: Wow, that's helps a lot, seriously. Thank you man. I don't know if you play Diana or not but if you do what rune one doyoy recommend a summon aery or Phase rush?
I've got over 150K with her but I definitely wouldn't consider myself an expert. Arcsecond recommended Aery but that was before the nerfs (still is probably decent though in certain matchups.) Phase rush is the most popular on her right now and is probably a good keystone if you're going the RoA build. If you're looking to snowball then Electrocute may be a better option. I've also experimented with Predator and Dark Harvest. They both make you weaker in lane but they have some pretty interesting tradoffs. Predator makes your mid game roams fast and deadly and if you can get fed then no one can escape you. Dark Harvest scales extremely well in the late game and can deal more burst damage than any other keystone once stacked. Until you get 150 stacks it isn't very useful though.
Skezl (NA)
: Diana builds....
Its not so much old school vs new school. Its Arcsecond vs SDiana2 (not to imply they are rivals, they just play Diana differently.) Arcsecond favors the RoA build because it has better scaling. SDiana2 favors the the more burst build (protobelt, lich, luden's, etc) since it snowballs really hard. Its more of a question of whether you want to snowball the early/mid game or whether you want better scaling into the late game. I prefer the RoA build when I can get away with it but in the preseason with how fast games end the snowball build may be better.
: The biggest problem is match making. "Oh, youre a mid silver players who won 5 games in a row? You must now be at a mid gold level and can clearly carry low silver players against 4 gold players (but you're still not good enough to have the gold rank yourself)"
I was SIlver 1 trying to get into Gold 5 and I was in games that were mainly Gold 2 to Plat 3 (and not people with shit MMR either.) It get's ridiculous when you go on win streaks. You need a win streak to hit promos and then you need to beat people 5+ divisions higher than you with a 67% (or 60%) win rate in order to make the next division.
YourQQ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Am5GYhjE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-16T02:31:18.655+0000) > > I wouldn't be opposed to it working off of large/epic monsters. I'm sure there's some detail I'm missing that makes the idea terrible, but it doesn't sound awful to me. > > Maybe tone down the health scaling when used on monsters? The downside to your idea might be that it pushes junglers too much towards farming. This is a question of numbers though and some junglers just excel at farming + counterjungling. The main thing is to make sure that it doesn't push normal junglers to take it and power farm. It also could again encourage taking smite top with something like Sion or Shyvanna (with a counterjg playstyle). That's not inherently a bad thing if doing this doesn't overpower other options. The idea to give 10 HP for those taking Smite seems pretty solid to me. I don't think the extra HP gain is enough to justify going smite top. If it's too strong on laners while being too weak on junglers, they could always tweak it to _**"completing a JG item quadrouples the permanent HP gain"**_ If you have to actually finish a JG item first, I'd be really surprised if top lane is an issue.
I'd maybe change it to grant stacks (just a stack, not the health) on jungle camps but those stacks don't convert to bonus health until the jungle item is completed. This gives junglers a nice power spike for completing their jungle item as well. Once the jungle item is complete they gain health from jungle camps normally. Alternatively, to discourage power farming, tie the stacks being converted to health with champion takedowns. So if you powerfarm the stacks are useless until you get a kill/assist.
: There's a difference between calling someone out and saying they should be fired.
And there's a difference between people who say they should be fired and people who justly point out all the crazy shit the balance team does only to be ignored for months on end. Yeah, there are some people who grab the torches and pitchforks way too quick but there are also of plenty of well-reasoned threads (especially on the PBE forums) that predict this shit is going to happen and they get ignored anyway. Anyone with half a brain could have done some quick math and figured out that the Galio buffs were going to make him absurd. Its just frustrating that even inexperienced players can see this stuff and anticipate the issues that are going to arise but the balance team, who are supposed to be the experts, can't.
: Nah i just wont play League of legends and definitely wont be spending any more money on it. You literally get banned for exercising free speech. I totally get why theres no racism homophobia or threats, but all the rest is just opinions with no hate behind it. if riot seriously think sharing opinions or criticisms in bannable. Im finished with them and will take legal action to get my money back.
> [{quoted}](name=Garrettayy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T8xJzNEx,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-10-27T04:42:35.382+0000) > > Nah i just wont play League of legends and definitely wont be spending any more money on it. You literally get banned for exercising free speech. I totally get why theres no racism homophobia or threats, but all the rest is just opinions with no hate behind it. if riot seriously think sharing opinions or criticisms in bannable. Im finished with them and will take legal action to get my money back. Buddy, you need to look up what free speech applies to. You're literally bringing up every cliche argument that every uneducated person who gets banned brings up. Next you'll probably say you're going to sue Riot (not realizing that the law is not on your side.) Quit league if you want but at least do 5 minutes of research before you start spouting off nonsense.
: 15 day ban, no reason provided
Please read the FAQ, it'll answer why you jumped from a 25 game chat restriction to a 2 week ban (spoiler alert, a 2 week ban is the next punishment tier after a 25 game chat restriction.) https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ- Good luck. I recommend just muting all chat for a couple months because the next punishment after the 2 week ban is a permanent ban.
: Official Message to Riot.
Welp, there's worse ways to blow $30 million I guess. A least buy a house or a car first, don't spend it all in one place. That said, you may want to actually read the terms of use and do a little research into how the laws work before you waste your money.
: Serious Talk: People need to chill out about the Balance Team
You're right, the balance team does a lot of great things. Doesn't mean we shouldn't call them out when they do something absolutely absurd though. Its called accountability.
: Jinx, Caitlyn, Twitch, and Xayah all put out similar damage to Kog.
Jinx and Twitch maybe if Jinx procs her passive or Twitch has his ult up. Probably not Xayah and definitely not Caitlyn (remember that Worlds is being played before she had her attack speed growth buffed.) There's a reason why Juggermaw comps exist though and are much more effective than other carries fulfilling a similar role. Some of the primary reasons are Kog is more effective at shredding tanks than any of those carries and, more importantly, his damage profile is equally split between physical and magic damage so he can be successful as a single damage source. If Jinx or Twitch were substituted into that team comp then its much easier to just stack armor and counter the comp. Kog is much more reliable as well because his W is on a very low cooldown at max rank so he has more up-time on his max damage potential than Twitch and he doesn't need a reset like Jinx to really go off.
Squey (NA)
: yet it wasnt at all kog'maw, but instead janna and galio.
If they didn't get the Kog'Maw then they wouldn't have had the damage to execute the composition. It was a non-traditional Juggermaw composition with a single source of damage (the Kog'Maw.) Granted, the Janna and Galio enabled the composition but all the problems could have been solved by just devoting one ban to Kog rather than 2 bans to Galio and Janna.
: Real high level marksmen act as bait too, they walk forward infront of their team like innocent fat sheep. But in fact that sheep has wool reinforced by all manners of evil sorcery, janna barriers, galio damage reductions and all manners of items. To create the most delicious look bait that just does not die. It is a positively evil strategy, just ask C9 what they felt about playing against it xd
Just...ban....the....fucking.....Kog'Maw!!!!! That was me the entire Cloud9 series in case you were wondering.
: Looking for a mentor
I recommend you check out xFSN Saber's Youtube. He's one of the best ADC coaches I've seen: https://www.youtube.com/user/eagle2765 Neace also does some ADC coaching sessions that are really good: https://www.youtube.com/user/bingegamingdottv I'm also happy to help. I'm not amazing at the game but I can at least help with the basics.
: Emotes are live!
Why would I pay $5 for something that everyone can mute? This pricing makes no sense.
: This is a pretty timely post, actually. Udyr is a champion we're looking to buff for 7.21. Probably looking at a simple buff overall rather than a larger effort that would introduce pattern change. Some of the things we're considering (wouldn't necessarily ship more than one or two of them) are: * Bear Stance stun duration increases with rank * Bear Stance speed buff duration is flattened out to its current rank 5 duration (3 seconds rather than 2/2.25/2.5/2.75/3) * Significant AD/lvl increase * Taking reduced damage from crits (or even becoming crit-immune) while shielded by Turtle Stance.
Crit immunity or even just crit reduction would be an awesome niche for Udyr to have.
Kabraxis (NA)
: I don't visit the forums almost at all and this is on the front page for me near the top. Just to point out.
Just to point out, it says right next to every post how long ago it was posted.
Kabraxis (NA)
: Just to point out...you realize League is probably the game with the highest female player base outside of WoW right?
Just to point out...you do realize this post is 6 months old right?
idonthitq (EUNE)
: idk if i should quit this game or not
If you aren't having fun then I agree you shouldn't play the game. There's no point in playing any game where you don't have fun. That said, I feel like your "not having fun" is more due to your lack of game knowledge than your bad teammates. Udyr is literally trash tier right now so if you feel that he's broken then I don't really know how to respond to that. It's like someone saying the sky is pink. If you're looking to improve you game knowledge let me know and I'll link you some good subreddits, youtubers, etc.
mzicio (EUW)
: I don't get why this is downvoted. It was a good analyisis. GJ!
eh, people get salty for the weirdest reasons. I know its a better analysis than pretty much any other YouTuber has done so it doesn't bug me. Unfortunately the forums tend to be an echo chamber of very bitter people sometimes.
Zkaiser (NA)
: Lemme help ya out. Her Hate Spike and the skillshot is the same move. She hits them with the ability with spawns the 3 orbs. The empowered autos are classic Hate Spike She marks people with the heart when she unstealths near them.
Definitely a possibility. That means she's got another ability though for her W and I didn't see any other unique animations (unless its something that enhances her stealth or something.)
Rioter Comments
KCentra (NA)
: LOL Worlds - Choosing Teams/Knockout etc
Yeah, pick-ems won't start until the play-in stage is complete. September 30th should be when it becomes available.
: After so long.... I finally acquired 10 gemstones.....
I'd wait until a champ you main gets a skin. I got 28 gemstones and I haven't spent them because i don't play any of those champions much.
: Arclight Yorick Splash Art
If only the in game model was this beautiful.
: Ty rito gomes for perma banning me ! bcuz of flaming a guy that is feeding!
Looking at your match history there are plenty of games where you fed just as many kills as the person you were flaming. Therefore, you're a complete hypocrite. Also, feeding isn't against the terms of use, only intentionally feeding is. It was very obvious that the person you flamed was trying to win, they just weren't playing well. However, flaming someone is against the terms of use. So you broke the terms of use while he didn't, that's why he wasn't punished and you were. You agreed to the terms of use and you willingly broke them so that's a second time that you're a hypocrite. Riot told you that you were going to get banned of you flamed people and you did it anyway. You got exactly what you deserved. I hope to God you quit this game and never come back. Our community is better without you.
: @Riot, about the yorick skin, please just listen to us
Yeah I'd probably still but the skin if it actually matched the splash art even though I'm still pissed off about the lack of complementing voice lines for the skin. The splash art is just too good.
: Nah, I don't think you implied that at all, I think I wanted to express that it wasn't a miserable experience for anyone who worked on him, haha. To your other point, none of the reasons that I gave should excuse the fact that it took so long, agreed. IMO, it was a series of unfortunate events and timing that led to such a long wait. Surrounding Arclight as a fantasy as a whole - we feel that he's still human, but he's wielding a different source of power. Alternatively, Vel'Koz s a Void entity, and is portrayed a bit differently. I think that aligns a bit with how you're feeling about the skin, and I think that's where one of the dividing lines is drawn, in terms of if you like that type of fantasy or not. Once on PBE, the scope of changes is restricted, especially in terms of VO. New VO isn't feasible; this requires several months of development - writing new lines, getting the voice actor in the studio, recording, cutting the VO up, and implementing. I spoke with the modeler about the color of the models itself, too. He said that making him more of an orange yellow, as opposed to a true yellow like Vel'Koz was a deliberate choice. He did try painting the model similarly to Vel'Koz, but he ended up even brighter than he currently is, especially when coupled with yellow VFX, like his cape. Redesigning Mist Walkers may not be doable, given time constraints, but I'm happy to go through the models tweaks with the artist and get his thoughts. I'm glad you found something, at least, in the skin that you like; I agree that the shovel is probably one of the best parts of this skin. Personally, I think he'd be a neat candidate for chromas. I know several players who base buying their skins off of the color - i.e. "I have a green skin for x champ, and a red one just came out, and that's different, so I want that." It's less about the thematic, but more about the color palette overall. That's where chromas do a good job of rounding this out. Your suggestion of chromas for Arclight Yorick raises one question from me, and I think a Yorick main is likely best equipped to answer this. Knowing what you know about chromas (they're strictly model changes), are the yellow VFX a make or break deal for you? As in, you could have a Amethyst Arclight Yorick, but his VFX would still be yellow. Our product owner commented a bit about the skin itself [on the PBE boards](https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-pbe-feedback/REPY7nR9-pbe-bugs-feedback-thread-arclight-yorick?comment=0001000000000000), which explains how a PO is looking at this skin, as opposed to me (QA). It's a bit more meta level, as opposed to the 'in the trenches' discussion we're having here. I'm always happy to have meaningful discussions around content, as long as I feel there's some value I can provide in the conversation, even if it's the bad guy who has to say no to everything under the sun. I'd rather be honest than sugar coat things. ;-;
I don't mean to be rude but honestly what were you guys thinking when you made this skin? The Arclight theme does not fit AT ALL with Yorick's voice lines and its completely jarring having some angelic looking creature arguing with Yorick and telling him to give in. You guys had over a year to get it right and its honestly just very disappointing. I was going to make a show of support when you released a new Yorick skin and buy the skin at full price (something I very rarely do) but with how rushed this skin feels I think I'm just going to save my money. Don't get me wrong, I think Arclight Yorick is a great concept. You guys just executed it very poorly. Even for a 1350 RP skin this isn't close to your best work (and I think if you guys look at the other 1350 skins you've released recently you'll agree.) Maybe if this skin was released 4 years ago it would be nice but you guys have really raised the bar on your skins so unfortunately the standards have also risen. I hope you guys don't take this feedback personally and you learn from these mistakes in the future. And please actually give us a Yorick skin worth the wait in the next year (shouldn't be too hard since some champions get 2 skins a year.) If you do I will absolutely buy it full price (and I'm not even a Yorick main.)
Jackyl (NA)
: If I want to main Jungle, what should my secondary be to maximize the chance of getting Jungle?
I'm conducting an experiment where I queue up for fill each game and then record what role I get and mid definitely has the lowest probability. Not sure if that translates to guaranteeing your primary role but the evidence would suggest that mid is the most popular role.
: is PBE officially a ghost town now?
I'd play on the PBE a lot more if the ping wasn't absurd. 150+ ping feels awful when you're used to 40.
: YouTube is going full moron again and messing with their content creators (yet again)
Yeah this absolutely screws small content creators because you have to reach a certain view threshold to request a manual review and then it usually takes them a week to do the manual review. By that point the video has gotten 90% of the views it's gonna get. So basically if you get the yellow $ on your video you just completely wasted your time because you aren't going to make any money on it. It can be a real kick to the balls, especially if your content isn't controversial at all.
R0XTAR (NA)
: Riot is relying ONLY on veteran players now.
Show me a way to limit people from making Smurf accounts in a free to play game.
Evangele (NA)
: If Your Summoner Name Was an In Game Item
+100 HP +100 Mana +10 AD +10 AP +100% health regen +100% mana regen +10 Armor +10 Magic Resist +10 Lethality +10 Magic Penetration +10% Cooldown Reduction +10% Movement Speed +10% Life Steal +10% Critical Strike +10% Attack Speed Okay on everyone, great on no one.
: Give me your best pick up line
Hi. I have a full time job, a graduate degree, and I don't live with my parents. Works every time.
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