: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApEGbUXh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-05T01:32:07.982+0000) > > And then you get to team fight. Realize their team comp is ass and almost auto win by death balling. It is easy to guess your elo based on that comment. The number of problems surrounding your comment are too vast to help you understand why it is wrong. So, I will attempt to give one extremely generalized concept that can paint with a very large brush.... If you are trapped in lane as a melee vs Vayne top, there won't be any team fights around top lane early enough to matter. If your team doesn't unlock you from your lane or regularly keep Vayne in check, the game will be 4v4 until Vayne gets a big enough lead. Then your team will be stuck in a 4v5 because your lane is in shambles and you are too behind to contribute anything. If you try to follow a roaming Vayne, she will kill you in 6 or less auto attacks. If you built full tank, you die in about 8 or less auto attacks. Team fights don't conveniently happen right where you want them to and they don't magically give you gold and exp to immediately boost you on your opponent's level. If you are in a match up with this much of a counter, you are at the complete mercy of your team. You can't contribute anything and your team has to hold your hand or win the game 4v4 before Vayne has time to come online.
What? Having a ranged top that contributes only single-target damage and one form of situational CC is a detriment to any team comp. It will be far weaker than having any meta melee champ in top lane. Honestly, every hard counter in top lane forces you to hope your team is good enough to be able to carry you. It isn't just a Vayne top thing. > It is easy to guess your elo based on that comment. The number of problems surrounding your comment are too vast to help you understand why it is wrong. So, I will attempt to give one extremely generalized concept that can paint with a very large brush.... This shit is hilarious. I peaked D4 in 40 games last season btw, meaning that your argument is invalid now since I am a higher rank and said so.
: idk man i do see some stupid shit from diamond players
You see stupid shit in every rank. It just happens less the higher you go.
: 40 games played, I'll be diamond by the end of the season, chally by the next :). None of this means that diamonds are any less of dogs, none of them know how to play the game.
You have a negative win rate against silver players. Are you being a troll or do you actually think this way? You saying diamonds don't know how to play the game is like an elementary schooler saying high schoolers don't know how to play basketball. To NBA players, sure it might look like it, but the elementary school kid's level is so far below the high schooler that they really shouldn't talk shit.
: > [{quoted}](name=LightswornLance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6ta61FMK,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-14T07:47:17.480+0000) > > Your elo is not high silver low gold I'm climbing out of silver right now and every single player in my games are better than you. This is an empty statement meant to belittle a man whose legend in the gaming industry looms over the entirety of the LCS like Fujisan. It means nothing to me. For your benefit, I'll explain why it wouldn't mean anything to a lesser man, either. "Every single player in my games are better than you." This statement cannot be substantiated. You haven't seen me play. You see numbers. You don't see mechanics. Circumstances. Team strategies that require my sacrifice. Even if you had, it would still be difficult to say that every single player in your games was better unless you saw me play directly against every single player in the games you've played. Claims that can't be substantiated are conjecture. Conjecture has no teeth. It's misdirection at best, rhetoric at worst. > Any elo outside of iron 4 what you do would be considered trolling. Yet I'm far outside of Iron IV and I win games with what I do. Sure I lose some games. Who doesn't lose some games? But my win rate over the past month has sat between 65 and 70%, which means I win around 7 games for every 3 I lose. If I _were_ to have a reason to go back to ranked, that rate would equate to climbing the ladder. You don't buy my elo? Check my OP.GG if it means that much to you. Every single game has at least one silver player. Most have at least one gold player. Several have a platinum player or two, and one last night had a diamond player. I queue solo, so it can't be my duo buddy boosting me. Must be that I belong here. You're playing ranked, I'm fooling around in normals. You can't expect to compare the two purely on some KDA numbers. > And what is that nonsense about hidden health bars? I play without health bars visible. I've been doing it for like three months now. Some guy threw it out there, chat got spammed, now it's a must or I don't get paid. I've adapted. Could you?
"This is an empty statement meant to belittle a man whose legend in the gaming industry looms over the entirety of the LCS like Fujisan. It means nothing to me. For your benefit, I'll explain why it wouldn't mean anything to a lesser man, either." Where did you get your fedora from? I've been trying to grow my neckbeard too, but it is pretty tough. Any advice?
: i just need to duo. thats how to climb
I guess I was actually duoing with an invisible person and that's how I got to Diamond(I decayed reeee). Wew, thank god for my duo buddy haha.
hiyares (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hsAcUBzw,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-10-10T18:41:48.124+0000) > > Conqueror isn't even stronger than Grasp in lane lol. No reason for a tank to be getting pushed back in lane because of Conqueror. Tanks suck because their itemization is the worst in the game. They lack notable power spikes. Completing items pretty much just give them more stats or strengthen the passive of a component. Also, kleptomancy exists, and so long as that balanced rune is in the game first picking a tank isn't viable. ummmmmmm yes yes it is. grasp is reliant on getting an auto in and has a what 20 sec cd? while conqueror is a skill tht wants an extended fight which most bruisers can force on to tanks well because {{champion:58}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:157}} . the problem with conqueror is it does 2 things its reliable heal and free damage while ignoring resistances. then you have champs that have some sort of armor penetration built into their kit darius being the main offender having a passive 35% armor pen if i am not mistaken and then black cleaver which is another 24%. gap can only proc off of an auto conqueror can proc of everything and has no cd. fleet foot work at this point is more reliable on a tank tbh since you dont need to hit a champ just need to hit minions to get the sustain. conqueror needs to either be damage or heal not both the rune itself is flawed and it makes certain champs stronger than they should be with how quickly they can proc conq with their ability to just spam all skills in a rotation and insta proc it which vs a tank which tend to have higher cds and reliant on just short trades cant fight vs anything tht uses conqueror unless they themselves have an insane amount of sustain in their kit. but yeah in terms of the 1v1 the tank will lose all game just on how the top lane works bruiser will freeze lane and tank loses all the lane exp and gold ptting them further behind. ohh and lets keep in mind now thta conqueror is a thing something like darius which is supposed to fall off will not fall off until about 40 mins because of the heal and damage given by conqueror.
Grasp doesn't heal and do damage? Most tanks have some sort of disengage or shield that has around the same CDs as any fighter's main ability. If a tank doesn't play around getting a grasp proc then disengaging then that's on them. You might want to start using paragraphs. Reading that was a chore.
Cdore (NA)
: What I don't understand about conqueror...
Conqueror isn't even stronger than Grasp in lane lol. No reason for a tank to be getting pushed back in lane because of Conqueror. Tanks suck because their itemization is the worst in the game. They lack notable power spikes. Completing items pretty much just give them more stats or strengthen the passive of a component. Also, kleptomancy exists, and so long as that balanced rune is in the game first picking a tank isn't viable.
KazKaz (OCE)
: Why is Riven getting her E nerf reverted?
Must lie to push agenda. Reeeee Classy boards.
: Heard it all before. Don't Care. Believe what you want. I'm just stating facts, and this is actually documented having happened on these forums. I had a 68/78% win rate in primary roles and 95% win rate on my main for 40 games. All got erased by Riot, and then after the other high elos got timid about playing their normal ranks, they came down and saturated lower elo games, making maintaining those %'s unsustainable.
If you're not lying then post your god damn D3 account. Oh wait, you don't have one. You're silver trying to make silver look harder than it actually is because you're stuck there. You just want to believe that you're better than you actually are. Thanks for proving to me though, that the boards is just a cesspool of hard-stuck shitters that lie to prove a point.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JtLHQjap,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-04T16:53:28.715+0000) > > What? Click on matchups. > > Gangplank has a positive winrate against both Renekton and Jax. Time doesn't matter. He beats both more often than they beat him lmfao. Your link quit litteraly lists renekton as a counter to gangplank. *facepalm*
I love it how you just decided to abandon this discussion. "Reeeee he proved me wrong reeee. I can't read data so I just say random bullshit. Abort. Abort."
: You don't get it. The account was 68-78% Win rate in primary roles. In my first 40 Morgana games this season, I had ONE loss. You Cannot climb at 70% When almost 400 of 600 games are just spent either ranking and then having Riot destroy the advancement of 4/5 of those games, and then getting 9-10 LP a win and -21 a loss after that. The first 70 games after the Positional ranking was over, this account had a 72% win rate. I Lost 2 ranks in those 70 games! I will not post my main. The community is small.
So you're lying and you are not a D3 player. I love the boards. Always lying to try to prove a point.
: Never mind that 226 of those games were before Positional ranking was over, 40 of them were Placement matches in 5 different roles, and all of those 226 were meaningless, because I played them as "Fill" which only rose me 4 ranks on primary roles, because I was splitting gains between 5 roles, even though my main role win rates were 68/78% respectively........ Never mind that when Positional ranking ended, I had an OVERALL 52% win rate (I suck at adc), yet got 9 LP for a win and -21 LP for a loss, because the lowest MMR (adc) was 5-6 ranks below my highest MMR's (Mid/Support) Never mind the fact it took ANOTHER 172 games before that 9 LP got back to 18 LP. Never mind that main accounts right now have over 2000+ games. You try climbing when you have to maintain a 72% win rate to do so!
I didn't ask for an essay. I just want to see your main account in D3. Climbing from silver as a diamond player should be easy. You're even higher ranked than me lol. When I reached plat in s6 i started in silver then got to plat with a 70% wr. You can't have a 50% winrate over 600 games and say your main account is D3. You keep dodging the subject. Is it because you don't have a D3 account?
: No. I play it like a competitive sport should be played. Like ranked. The problem is how allies play compared to what I pick. With naut or pyke or leona support when you go full combo your in melee range, with no follow up you can easily die or be chunked into uselessness. With lux you can full combo and never risk a thing. This is why I have a much higher winrates with the non risky type. 1 of 3 things occurs when leona uses her E 0 follow-up dead leona Terrible follow-up dead leona and ADC (ezreal eing on a cait trap and missing everything for instance.) Or good follow up and a kill. With lux it's either no follow up chunked enemy Terrible follow up chance at dead adc Or great follow up dead enemy. The meta champs that are strongest in high elo and are the best overall aren't the best to climb with because of that reason. I'd like my skill individually to mean more than my champ pick. Heck I would settle for my teammates to not straight up int and flame because they THINK I MAY do bad with my pick. Anything others MAY NOT consider hard meta for example vlad apc, tmere jg, pantheon mid, support xerath so on_ meets really really harsh backlash. Adcs literally afking on my Syndra support games at the 2 min mark and such. Hard inting top laners because of midlane kennen being on their team. The community as a whole is why ranked is a joke right now. That is what I dislike. I play ranked because I didn't want to experience the 0\50 trolls that norm has but ranked and norms are no different now. I literally won my last two lux games. And your mmr advances far quicker than you seem to think. I hold 80% winrates on 40 lux games and 61% on 51 kennen games. I just don't enjoy having to spam them nonstop.
If you played it as if it was a competirive sport you would maximize your chances of winning. The fact that you don't just spam Lux multiple times show that you don't treat it competitively lol. You've played 600 games of ranked this season alone. You're treating ranked as if it was norms. Sure, complain about the community that ruins the integrity of ranked. But honestly, you're part of that problem.
: I'm Diamond III right now on my main. I play with Plat/Diamonds routinely. Now, we both do work 12 hour shifts and my duo did just pull 8 straight days..... But.... when it's literally 2v5 with inters and people 6-7 ranks lower than the current elo, I'm sorry; we can't always carry it. It becomes a choice: either get sloppy and pick up the objectives you can, and try to fend off the end, or try to preserve your KDA and look good at the end of a passive loss. With elo does NOT come the ability to 1v5 a game unless you are playing specific assassins, who do their jobs early and hard, and have resets. You also can still be counterpicked by a hard counter, which takes away about 40% of any elo's ability to carry. Like.... Nocturne deals damage 3 times as fast as Warwick, and Warwick can't gank without the threat of a Nocturne countergank. And, Warwick can only use his E on the gank or on Nocturne, not both, so he's really screwed unless someone carries him.
Hey man, you mind posting on your main account? You said it was D3, but you're 600 games deep in silver 2 on this "smurf." If not, you're probably just lying at this point to try and look right lol.
: I'm Diamond III right now on my main. I play with Plat/Diamonds routinely. Now, we both do work 12 hour shifts and my duo did just pull 8 straight days..... But.... when it's literally 2v5 with inters and people 6-7 ranks lower than the current elo, I'm sorry; we can't always carry it. It becomes a choice: either get sloppy and pick up the objectives you can, and try to fend off the end, or try to preserve your KDA and look good at the end of a passive loss. With elo does NOT come the ability to 1v5 a game unless you are playing specific assassins, who do their jobs early and hard, and have resets. You also can still be counterpicked by a hard counter, which takes away about 40% of any elo's ability to carry. Like.... Nocturne deals damage 3 times as fast as Warwick, and Warwick can't gank without the threat of a Nocturne countergank. And, Warwick can only use his E on the gank or on Nocturne, not both, so he's really screwed unless someone carries him.
Huh. My D4 friend once played games on my Silver friend's account and my D4 friend pretty much won every game on that account by himself. Pretty surprised you have the time to have a lvl 240+ smurf. This is my only account too and you're pretty much the same level as me lmao. Can I see your main's op.gg? Just because you're D3 on one role doesn't mean you're D3 on another.
: I am not hard stuck, I can easily climb out the problem is I do not like the specific champs required to do so. I maintain ridiculously high winrates on artillery mages especially things like lux and xerath, i just dont fancy them. I can deal with kennen as he isnt TOO unfun to play. The fact is, each elo has its own champ pool that is really good in a specific elo, skill or no skill because of the community as a whole in that elo. Riot doesnt balance around low tier players or even mid tier players, only the top, so things just ARENT balanced at all around gold silver. Its really easily to abuse certain strengths and weaknesses of certain champs. That being said, I am glad you seem to point out rank then have 0 argument. Rito has admitted they dont balance low elo games unless their is something seriously toxic down there. You are right so many do play solo, and carry. They typically play the same 10 champs in that elo, a few years ago it was pantheon to cllimb because he was just the solo carrys dream. Riot does what they want, its clear with the skin releases and buffs, I at no point stated that I think riot buffs their own accounts, they could, they do release new fresh high elo accounts for certain players, and can for themselves if they choose, but I dont see why they COULDNT get there, a lot of people like lux and such. _____ As for my argument, riot has clearly stated they want the game to be a team game, and have been pushing for it, and dont want solo carrying to exist as it is unfun to watch in pro-play faker couldnt even reach the semi-finals. They removed duo from higher elos because it was WAY to large an advantage, yet it is kept for low elos why? Combine this with the fact they keep pushing things like pyke ults, that give massive gold advantage, and ornn and such, and individual skill starts to matter less and less. Riot has also stated they dont balance games around low elo, so things are NOT working as intended there. People still dont buy grievous wounds vs Mundos or Vlads in games I play. ____ There is no need to be toxic. Yes you can climb, yes it can be by your skill, and that you are the most common thing in your games to determine win/losses, the problem is there is still 9 other players in the game, you make the impact on 10% of your games, 20% of your teams power, its illogical to think riot would LET a champion be strong enough, to reliably 1v5 against players actively trying to win. ___ If you have a 90% winrate over 5k games (law of large numbers style), its still possible to maintain a 50% winrate for your first 200 games. Some people just dont wanna play the many games it requires for skill to ultimately determine their elo/lp instead of rng.
See I don't understand. Play norms if you're not playing in order to win. You're treating ranked as if its norms, then complaining about ranked not being an authentic way to determine an individual's skill. You've been in Gold 4 for about 3 months at this point, even though all you play is ranked. You started in B2, where I'm guessing your insanely high winrates for those artillery mages you speak of came from. Your account looks pretty hard stuck to me.
Acrilyk3 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5J79eUEr,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-09-05T03:59:08.477+0000) > > Wintraders in silvers don't exist man I'm sorry. People feed because of bad games. You're silver because you're silver skill wise. If your scores look ugly, they shouldn't. Really isn't that hard. Lets stop pretending you're silver because of the matchmaking when others have climbed out of silver so easily before. Silver is actually int and wintrade heaven. If you haven't been in silver for years it's not his fault you don't understand. I rankup multiple accounts from silver to gold and silver 1 is more r%%%%%ed than gold-plat elo.
Yeah wintraders can't exist because of the huge population in silver so lets stop saying this.
GigglesO (NA)
: I thnk assassins are uninteractive
Lmao I thought you were talking about mages until I read the title.
: Dunno why this is getting downvoted. My Silver I games tonight ALL had either win traders, or a duo of someone who was situationally high silver, duo'd with a bronze inter or troll. Seriously. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Aredethe Ornn Game: Bronze I duo'd with Silver III Sivir who get this: Doesn't play adc and almost EXCLUSIVELY plays Braum. Result: My Plat duo and I couldn't carry it. MF got int fed, I wasted time ganking people who couldn't actually be bothered to use a gank, and Janna ran around the map wildly..... doing..... nothing. Warwick Game: "Bot" chose {{champion:63}} into a team with his {{champion:25}} and a mid who was going to go {{champion:103}} . Turned out "Bot" (Brand) is Bronze II, duo'd with an UNRANKED Morgana, who was statically Provisional'd at Silver II. Morg ints. Brand afks every time you came mid to gank, no matter who you were, and claimed he was out of mana when he was at 40%, as to why he wouldn't walk over two steps. Morgana didn't upgrade her support item from TIER 1 until she had already fed them a 14/1 lead. Scroll down to the OTHER Warwick game: Syndra literally ran it up mid and 0/14'd and began spamming surrenders. When it was clear my duo and I were not losing that game, she outright quit the game, and in post game, Zed actually tried to defend her walking up mid. She behaved like a pure Win trader the entire game, and the chat context supports that. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Illabethe Nami game (4 down): MF was literally walking into Blitz. Over and over. With a minion wave right there. Every single one of her ults was directly in range of a Blitz pull to signal exactly where she was, so that he/Jhin could kill her. I remember one specific ult: She was near mid, and was CHASING Blitz, who was full HP. He rounded the wall to the right or the mid turret; MF literally hugged the wall, and cast her ult, waiting to be pulled. Irony of this game: I 1v2'd Kalista and Blitz at level 2 for a double kill as Nami. I literally dominated them. Then I went mid, killed mid too. Came back bot...... mf started inting. Hard. Over and over. To the point where being in range of Kalista for 1 second = death inting. If you bother to look up MF: Every game is 14+ Deaths, int feed fest, yet maintains positive win rates, and 50%. Literally. Every. Single. Game. Evelynn Game: Last game. Sona literally could be watched running through the entire team of 5 of the opposing team the ENTIRE GAME. She would literally just rotate her keys and walk right through them before dying. 0/13. Other team had a Gold III. If you bother looking up Sona, she literally never gets above 1 kill, always has over 8 deaths, and no assists. AS A SONA. Occasionally pure outright ints. ------------- ^ This is what the game is now. Win Traders. People far out of their elos. Int feeders for some reason or another. This embarasses me. Game gets out of control so fast that I can't save it. I'm playing some linear champ like Warwick who if I go in to gank a lane, I need them to work with me! Instead I get afk'd on and Nocturne counter-ults, instantly making it 1v2. Try to hard carry an adc as Nami...... get an inting adc who throws any help I gave 100% down the drain. Some of my OWN scores look really ugly, because I was effectively spending half the game trying to steal a drake, or save teammates who started a fight (or 4 fights in a row), or because the people they fed just escalate into a 1v5 show (like Blitz/Kalista, with double knockups, or the Nocturne)
Wintraders in silvers don't exist man I'm sorry. People feed because of bad games. You're silver because you're silver skill wise. If your scores look ugly, they shouldn't. Really isn't that hard. Lets stop pretending you're silver because of the matchmaking when others have climbed out of silver so easily before.
: > [{quoted}](name=Düff McWhalen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZFeU8J8M,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-04T19:01:48.294+0000) > > You build Quicksilver or Lifesteal. He's not that bad. Lifesteal is not going to counter him unless you are already ahead of him. Qss sure. But that wasn’t an argument for Malzahar so why is it for morde?
Since when was qss not used against malzahar? What?
: You're reading that the wrong way. It is saying that Gangplank has a 53.6% winrate against Renekton. You can see this even more clearly if you click on the "Counters" section, where it explicitly says that Gangplank counters Renekton
He facepalmed me lmao. And the boards members wonder why Rioters don't frequent the boards
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JtLHQjap,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-04T16:53:28.715+0000) > > What? Click on matchups. > > Gangplank has a positive winrate against both Renekton and Jax. Time doesn't matter. He beats both more often than they beat him lmfao. Your link quit litteraly lists renekton as a counter to gangplank. *facepalm*
Read it again. Gangplank beats Renekton with a nearly 54% winrate.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JtLHQjap,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-04T14:40:20.230+0000) > > What? Gangplank shits on Renekton. He wins against Jax even after the buffs. > > https://u.gg/lol/champions/gangplank/matchups/ Your link says nothing about Jax. And he beats renekton.......... after 35 minutes......... in a game that is over at 25 minutes
What? Click on matchups. Gangplank has a positive winrate against both Renekton and Jax. Time doesn't matter. He beats both more often than they beat him lmfao.
: Sure. Then let his q and barrels apply his passive so he’s still playable. Except he’s garbage tier atm cause lul renekton/Jax
What? Gangplank shits on Renekton. He wins against Jax even after the buffs. https://u.gg/lol/champions/gangplank/matchups/
: You never have advantage 1v2, and you cant shut down a jungler like that. First off, lets assume something with mobility or burst. Xin is not punished for blowing flash, if he can 1v1 enemy jg or enemy jg never fights him. So lets assume your syndra, he walks into lane dashes and pushes W, Assuming you land knock back and stun, you wasted a LARGE amount of mana. If you dont kill him for this, you lost, he didnt lose anything. If he does this repeatedly, you will LOSE cs farm or lane because you cant sustain yourself against him and the laner. Turrets start falling/ turret plate advantage, you now lose 1v1. See xin doesnt have to stay for xp or strip farm or anything. He doesnt NEED too. If he clears faster than your jg, he suffers 0 penalties. If you play safe, thats fine, you dont DIE to the ganks until your almost 1k gold down from missing cs and being forced to recall constantly. Then you die 1v1 to your laner/your laner roams while you recalled(remember they dont have to use mana to poke you if you eat xin engages) now other lanes are losing because YOU got camped and YOU didnt even feed. Theres nothing you can do about a 2v1 disadvantage. YOUR JUNGLE has to secure be the one that does that, you can only make the enemy jungle LESS impactful, but you cant make them NOT impactful. YOUR jungle decides how impactful he is going to be, not you, and if he is LESS impactful than the enemy jg then everyone on you team loses. Come end game you lose DRAGONS permanent stat sticks that can never be gotten back. You lose BARONS/PLATES/TURRETS/RIFT temporary gold buffs that massively swing the game into enemys favor. Whats worse is, if your massively behind from being camped, you cant even help your allies at a certain point. You just have to sit back and watch everyone die/lose. ___ Moral of the story. Being a laner with a bad jungle makes you feel useless and unimportant. If its supposed to be a teamgame, that riot hard core enforces and they try to strip all solo carry power as thats TOXIC, and UNFAIR (their words for op lcs picks that single handedly win games and have to much power and clearly are out of line in professional play), then why are junglers allowed so much influence, and why does 1 bad jungler cost an entire match. ___ Riot balances around LCS, so until LCS junglers start being terrible, junglers are gonna be op in yolo que. ____ Riots balance around LCS means that the team based rolls, have far more/less power than they are supposed to outside of professional play. ____ You can only play to 100% of a champions power as thats the perfect play the champion is balanced around, however, you can at any point play significantly worse than the champion is supposed to be played and be far weaker than intended per game. This is why the worst player(lane/whatever) decides the game. ______ You CANT be better than your champions limitations, but you can be far weaker than their strengths. You can at most be 20% of a 5 man team(not really as their are people that play yuumi), however, you and anyone else can at any point be far weaker than that 20% intended power. Assuming average play is around 60-80% of the best, the most you can get better is 40% the most you can get worse is 100%.
What the fuck is this math? Jesus christ boards lmfao.
: If your team overall being bad decides the game, then why as an individual are you punished, and ranked and, demoted and or carried via no skill of your own being the factors that mattered in the judgement? If Ranked is 100% decided by the team, and not the players individual skill, then their is no point in ranked anyway. If you cant improve and climb through your own skill, then there is 0 reason to try to improve. If you cannot see any change in win or loss, or overall gameplay experience, by being significantly better than before, then why keep playing to improve? Thats the current state of league tho. You only try to avoid being the reason you lose as nothing else is important.
Funny how its always some hard stuck gold saying saying/implying that games are a coin flip. Its a coin flip because you do nothing to win the game. So many people play solo and have 60%+ winrates. I guess Riot just wanted their accounts to be higher than yours.
: Why are there so many "Riot should not focus on toxicity" threads right now??
> What if a person has a really bad day, is really sad and just want to play a game, and is later told to kill himself because he died twice? What fucking good would a mute do by then? If everyone just mutes all they wouldn't even know that they were told to kill themselves lmao.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EI6mdozr,comment-id=00000000000000010001,timestamp=2019-08-27T02:06:19.972+0000) > > Lets be realistic here. If Yi ever pulls off a gank without ulti, every other jungler would've been able to do it and better lol. It's possible i will admit its better to get around level 8-9 get an item or 2 and then start non stop ganking but ganking without ulti is possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c609-fM4TU this video is less than 4 mins of master yi ganks, with around 6-7 ganks. about 3 of them are ganks without ulti
But why play Yi to gank lmao. Its like saying you could play Galio rn when there's clearly better choices.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wPRnkAEH,comment-id=000300030000,timestamp=2019-08-27T03:47:27.165+0000) > > Someone is mad because there is no diversity in bot lane because of how hard ADCs cry. > > Edit: I love searching people up on op.gg and realizing how invalid their opinions are in regards to game balance tbh. I like people saying op.gg is what decides the validity of people's opinion, this is my troll/int account. How is their no diversity in bot lane, if anything their is too much diversity, the adc/bot role is to be filled with late game carries (unless its something like Kalista, Lucian or Draven) which it is, the role isn't supposed to be diverse as its supposed to be filled with high damage threats that are strong in the late game. The support role is filled with all supports and a lot of midlaners and a lot of tanks. Why are things like naut, who is supposed to be a top laner in bot lane. Why is broken Lux who is supposed to be a midlaner in the support role. I will admit some ADC's currently are just broken: Kaisa, Kaisa, Kaisa, kinda vayne, jinx and draven are a bit op.
So your opinion is just as invalid. You're a troll. No reason to speak to people like you. I'm talking about ADCs diversity.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wPRnkAEH,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-23T22:40:10.625+0000) > > Best season was when shit other than ADC could be played bot. But ADC players had to ruin it because they don't know how to do anything but right click. Some one is mad cause he/she got rekt by an ADC.
Someone is mad because there is no diversity in bot lane because of how hard ADCs cry. Edit: I love searching people up on op.gg and realizing how invalid their opinions are in regards to game balance tbh.
Tentaku (EUNE)
: Minion block got even worse again - this needs to be finally adressed somehow
Sometimes I debate buying phantom dancer just for the ghosting effect lmao.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pxerkza,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EI6mdozr,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-26T15:17:52.700+0000) > > and? > you can still play noc yi and graves and still win games with them by farming early > > most junglers take 4 camps before they gank > very few exceptions like camile j4 lee panth xin can do 1 camp and gank > > the rest want to early full clear because jungle camps early are the most valuable > > karthus is another really strong jungler that heavily prioritizes farming over fighting Yi dosen't need to power farm tho he can also gank non stop.
Lets be realistic here. If Yi ever pulls off a gank without ulti, every other jungler would've been able to do it and better lol.
: > [{quoted}](name=BlackKnightJack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wgnA9auH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-25T00:18:19.274+0000) > > This is something that never happened. What are you talking about? You are obviously low elo.
But you're gold 2. How would you know??
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Does anyone actually get enough orange essence to redeem skins?
I remember the good old days when we never got free stuff so no one complained about free stuff not being free enough.
Antenora (EUW)
: https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build?rank=master_plus https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build?rank=diamond_plus https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build?rank=platinum_plus She's fine.
Lol you can't show stats. Then they're gonna bring up Akali and Irelia having suboptimal winrates but still being OP. But then, they're gonna use stats with a small sample size to try and argue it again. Stay classy boards.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=000200020001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T23:43:35.679+0000) > > Riot approved for one role. Since when? > > They have been the best in their role. Mages were used to try and counter ADCs because of how strong they are early game and midgame compared to ADCs. ADCs have never been garbage lol. Riot approved for one role. Any time an adc is good in any other role they get gutted. So they are only auto approved in one role.
Anytime an ADC is in any other role they take over that one role lmao. That is why they get gutted for that role. Riot would allow ADCs in other role, but the way the class works won't allow that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=0002000200010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T22:23:16.334+0000) > > What? Why? Because ADCs cry the hardest? Adc is the only class that is only riot approved for one role. So if they aren’t the best in that one role, the class immediately becomes garbage. Also. That’s a weird way to say bruisers.
Riot approved for one role. Since when? They have been the best in their role. Mages were used to try and counter ADCs because of how strong they are early game and midgame compared to ADCs. ADCs have never been garbage lol.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=00020002000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T19:53:41.988+0000) > > Are you reading what I'm saying? > > A MINORITY OF PEOPLE PLAYED NON-ADCS DURING THE CRIT REWORK. THE CRIT REWORK, WHEN ADCS WERE AT THEIR WEAKEST, STILL HAD MOST BOTLANERS PLAYING ADCS IN SOLO QUEUE. ADCS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE STRONGEST BOT LANERS, THE CRIT REWORK ONLY INTRODUCED OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE VIABLE BUT WEAKER. > > Hopefully capitalizing will help you understand a little bit easier. But hey, if you just want to "reeeeeeee anything but ADCs are bad, right click good," be my guest. You can do it alone though. Fine let me capitalize it for you. IF A CLASS IN ONLY RIOT APPROVED FOR ONE FUCKING ROLE, THEN WHEN ANYTNING BECOMES EVEN VIABLE IN THEIR ROLE THEY SHOULD BE GUTTED FOR THE SAME REASON.
What? Why? Because ADCs cry the hardest?
: Riot, since you clearly don't understand, let me tell you exactly what you're missing.
People are still gonna buy it. Which really sucks. I cant wait for my main to be outmained by someone else because they bought a $10 achievement pack aha.
floo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wPRnkAEH,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-23T22:40:10.625+0000) > > Best season was when shit other than ADC could be played bot. But ADC players had to ruin it because they don't know how to do anything but right click. It was a garbage time. They nerfed an entire class that was balanced to be weak alone and needed a support, to not be able to be played in that role anymore. It's not about people not knowing how to do anything but right click, it's about an entire class being invalidated for the sake of change.
ADCs were still played in that role though. Sure mages were there, but only because they were able to stop the hyperscaling of ADCs and end the game before they came online.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=000200020001000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T02:50:03.869+0000) > > Yeah and they have been the best in bot lane for the majority of the game's lifespan. What? > > Only a minority played non-ADCs during the crit rework. Most of the champs played were still ADCs. Mages were introduced to try and stop the ADCs from scaling during the time, but they were still the best at their role. A minority? So you mean 10+ champions in a class that has the fewest number of champions? And non adcs were a joke. They were so bad that karthus became the best Adc in the game.
Are you reading what I'm saying? A MINORITY OF PEOPLE PLAYED NON-ADCS DURING THE CRIT REWORK. THE CRIT REWORK, WHEN ADCS WERE AT THEIR WEAKEST, STILL HAD MOST BOTLANERS PLAYING ADCS IN SOLO QUEUE. ADCS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE STRONGEST BOT LANERS, THE CRIT REWORK ONLY INTRODUCED OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE VIABLE BUT WEAKER. Hopefully capitalizing will help you understand a little bit easier. But hey, if you just want to "reeeeeeee anything but ADCs are bad, right click good," be my guest. You can do it alone though.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=0002000200010001,timestamp=2019-08-24T02:19:56.175+0000) > > Anytime you leave botlane you take over other lanes due to the sheer power of "right click" lol. Riot can't make team dependent champions and have them be able to win solo lanes by themselves. > > Most of those examples didn't even get nerfed because of the fact they were able to be in another role, they were already strong by themselves. Miss Fortune support was a counterpick to Zyra in competitive play lmao. When was Twitch jungle even nerfed? Its always been a niche pick. Yeah. So when adc is only playable in one role they should be the best in that role. Look at any other classes and where they can be played. Mages - mid jungle top support Bruiser - jungle mid top Tank - mid jungle support top Assassin - mid jungle support
Yeah and they have been the best in bot lane for the majority of the game's lifespan. What? Only a minority played non-ADCs during the crit rework. Most of the champs played were still ADCs. Mages were introduced to try and stop the ADCs from scaling during the time, but they were still the best at their role.
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ss0bqFW9,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2019-08-24T00:52:01.079+0000) > > Its funny you say this when ADCs cried so fucking hard because other roles were introduced to bot lane. You guys were so pissed that you weren't the sole win condition anymore. It was hilarious. Because adcs are only allowed to be played in bot lane. Any time we leave botlane we get gutted into the dirt. Examples Ezreal mid Ezreal jungle Kog mid Varus mid Vayne top Lucien mid Lucien top Kai’sa jungle Miss fortune support Twitch jungle So yeah. When they are only allowed to be played in one role of course they are gonna be pissed when others become better in that role than they are.
Anytime you leave botlane you take over other lanes due to the sheer power of "right click" lol. Riot can't make team dependent champions and have them be able to win solo lanes by themselves. Most of those examples didn't even get nerfed because of the fact they were able to be in another role, they were already strong by themselves. Miss Fortune support was a counterpick to Zyra in competitive play lmao. When was Twitch jungle even nerfed? Its always been a niche pick.
: Because. Bruiser mains are the majority and no matter how strong, and no matter how hard they are fucking EVERY other class into the ground, they will ALWAYS be crying that they are weak.
Its funny you say this when ADCs cried so fucking hard because other roles were introduced to bot lane. You guys were so pissed that you weren't the sole win condition anymore. It was hilarious.
: Can we please have a dynamic meta again?
Best season was when shit other than ADC could be played bot. But ADC players had to ruin it because they don't know how to do anything but right click.
SmartGreat (EUNE)
: I lost my promo because of your bugged client.... AGAIN
Probably because you were gonna choose Galio and the client knew you would just lose so it saved you the time. Riot should've never reworked Morde. He was the only thing holding the game together.
: yesterday i was amumu with about 380 armor (cause enemys were full ad) and around 550 armor with aftershock. the enemy yasuo who had statikk ie bloodthirster and dorans shield was actually healing on me while standing in my w, bamis and hitting my thornmail WHILE ALSO KILLING ME. guy literally killed me in under 5 seconds while healing on me. lets not forget i had randuins. which is 20% less damage from his crits. which he always does. i had ninja tabis which is another 12% from his aa's and i had amumus e which is about another 20 flat damage. and yet he killed me in under 5 seconds. and i used my q on him, so i had aftershock active. 550 fucking armor. yup armor/tanks very usefull.
Replay? I watched your replays and I never saw you hit 380 armor or 550. There was a game where you had 280 armor and would hit 450 with aftershock but you were against an obscenely fed Yasuo. I kinda doubt the legitimacy of this.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Razelth,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cjHebjgb,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-19T08:07:28.640+0000) > > Nutty champ has almost 79% wr in challenger. Prove it.
> [{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cjHebjgb,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-19T16:05:02.956+0000) > > Prove it. https://m.u.gg/lol/champions/masteryi/build?rank=challenger Lmfao 83% lets go. Opop champ. Such sample size. Much wow "Prove it." Lmfao
: Daily reminder that yi has above a 50% w/r in all regions in all elos
: It's not only in norms. Got a Plat 4, Bunch of Gold 4-1 players in my ranked games. Not sure why. Once in a while I get an Iron 4???
Plat 4 is probably duoing with a Gold player. Iron 4 most likely just has high MMR, which Riot really needs to show to people.
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