: When do you think we will see the next champion roadmap? Will it be after Pantheon's rework or slightly before?
> [{quoted}](name=LoveNacho,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aYgz5mUf,comment-id=000200000006,timestamp=2019-07-01T13:09:18.458+0000) > > When do you think we will see the next champion roadmap? Will it be after Pantheon's rework or slightly before? Probably not going to be another roadmap for awhile since everyone already knows we are working on Fiddle and Volibear. There will however be a dev blog update on Voli and Fiddle in the next month or so
: Yeah, I like Qiyana's base splash, but even I can admit the background is garbo. I don't know why they made it an explosion, what purpose does that serve to support her theme/personality? The Battle Boss splash is great.
> [{quoted}](name=AbiwonKenabi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aYgz5mUf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-12T04:45:11.139+0000) > > Yeah, I like Qiyana's base splash, but even I can admit the background is garbo. I don't know why they made it an explosion, what purpose does that serve to support her theme/personality? The Battle Boss splash is great. The Goal was to sell her high moment, which we found through playing her and from playtests, was her Ult. The Splash is supposed to be right after she ults a wall and it explodes
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TjgMG5GF,comment-id=00000002000000010002,timestamp=2019-06-11T23:50:13.915+0000) > > Well there are different things they could be strong in then just the elemental arts. Take Azula and Zuko from Avatar, for example. Azula is way more skilled at fire bending then Zuko, but that doesn't mean Zuko isn't strong and bad-ass in his own ways. Strength doesn't only come from trained skill. Speaking of which, besides Wakanda is Avatar also an influence on Ixaocan and Qiyana at all? Seems to be a lot of parallels between the whole multiple elemental bending powers and Ixatl being a society that respects nature.
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TjgMG5GF,comment-id=000000020000000100020000,timestamp=2019-06-12T00:06:08.911+0000) > > Speaking of which besides Wakanda is Avatar an influence on Ixaocan and Qiyana at all. Seems to be a lot of parallels between the whole multiple elemental bending powers and society that respects nature. Tbh, neither were really a influence on Qiyana or Ixaocan. Early on we came up with the gameplay hook of a Assassin that could literally pick the elements off the map and use them, that's the hook her kit was built around, so elemental stuff made sense of course. As for the fact that Ixtal is more modern and has advanced tech, it wasn't originally based on Wakanda, and Black Panther (the movie) wasn't even out when were building the faction. It came up because we wanted to make another more modern looking faction since we really only had Piltover/Zaun, and the modern aesthetics tend to resonate with a lot of our players, since it feels more relatable, plus all our other factions are pretty high fantasy. We wanted to make them feel unique, and we felt taking them to a more modern aesthetic would make them stand out in in relation to all the other factions. We ended up landing on a place where there fashion/aesthetic was close to modern day earth to also separate them from the steampunk modern aesthetic of Piltover Zaun.
: Thanks for your reply. I don't mean to be picky but: > "Though Qiyana was only seven years old, she mastered advanced techniques within weeks, while **some of her older sisters ** had yet to grasp the basics after years of study. > **One by one, Qiyana surpassed her sisters in the elemental arts,** and the more she progressed, the more resentful she became" The first sentence seems to indicate that, as you said, some of her sisters could still be better than her (no real indication though, they're just not noobs). However, doesn't the second one mean that Qiyana eventually got better than all of them? Or am I over-interpreting here?
> [{quoted}](name=HommeGoujon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TjgMG5GF,comment-id=0000000200000001,timestamp=2019-06-11T18:36:21.551+0000) > > Thanks for your reply. > > I don't mean to be picky but: > > The first sentence seems to indicate that, as you said, some of her sisters could still be better than her (no real indication though, they're just not noobs). However, doesn't the second one mean that Qiyana eventually got better than all of them? Or am I over-interpreting here? Well there are different things they could be strong in then just the elemental arts. Take Azula and Zuko from Avatar, for example. Azula is way more skilled at fire bending then Zuko, but that doesn't mean Zuko isn't strong and bad-ass in his own ways. Strength doesn't only come from trained skill.
: I thought Qiyana was stronger than all her sisters. What would a weaker sister bring to the game? Or are you guys planning some kind of behind-the-scenes plotting with some dark magic involved from one or several of the sisters to rival with Qiyana?
> [{quoted}](name=HommeGoujon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TjgMG5GF,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-06-11T17:07:25.648+0000) > > I thought Qiyana was stronger than all her sisters. What would a weaker sister bring to the game? Or are you guys planning some kind of behind-the-scenes plotting with some dark magic involved from one or several of the sisters to rival with Qiyana? Well Qiyana sure believes she is stronger then all her sisters, but that's from her perspective
GreenLore (EUW)
: I really hope that we'll get more candidates for the throne of Ixtal
Can't make any guarantees or anything, but we are definitely interested in bringing some of her sisters into the game as Champions someday
Zerenza (NA)
: Kumungu Jungle and Ixtal
But the question is, if Qiyana ever met Neeko did she even know she met Neeko?
Gapybo (EUW)
: Cool, so she is still a human like Lux? Is this a common trait among her people or is she unique? Honestly I'm really sorry for the unfortunate splash leak and people jumping on the generic female hate train since you can't tell this from the art.
> [{quoted}](name=Gapybo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=2UYbbJzH,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-06-07T17:25:07.473+0000) > > Cool, so she is still a human like Lux? Is this a common trait among her people or is she unique? > Honestly I'm really sorry for the unfortunate splash leak and people jumping on the generic female hate train since you can't tell this from the art. Yeah she is human. It's not unique to her people, she is just a really short human
: spoiled rich brat archetype? Like that yellow one from power puff girls? Now I understand the design
> [{quoted}](name=Ezra Jyock,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EGjLJEm4,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-07T17:03:47.087+0000) > > spoiled rich brat archetype? Like that yellow one from power puff girls? > Now I understand the design Now you are starting to get it :P
Gapybo (EUW)
: Is a Quiyana a dwarf/gnome?
No, she is just very short
Zeanix (OCE)
: Qiyana's splash art does not convey 'Empress'
Don't want to reveal to much yet, since that will all come. But I can explain a little about the title for now, before more lore hits. Her title is one she kind of gave herself, she is not actually the Empress she just believes she deserves to and should be Empress. I have probably already said to much so I'll stop now.
: Please tell me she's sassy. Her posture in her splash and the talk about her stepping on people begs for her to be sassy.
> [{quoted}](name=SpecterVonBaren,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AZA6R2R3,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2019-06-06T23:42:50.742+0000) > > Please tell me she's sassy. Her posture in her splash and the talk about her stepping on people begs for her to be sassy. She's Sassy Af
Axxuka (NA)
: @Reav3 3 Champions so close together, what happened ?
Generally we release more content during summer because we have much higher engagement during that time since it's summer vacation for a lot of our players.
: Qiyana, Empress of the Elements Early Analysis
Assassin was meant to describe her in-game role, not her lore. Very Champions in-game role doesn't always match 100% there lore occupation.
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qYWkz0uu,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-05-30T22:09:58.114+0000) > > Not too hard. We are going to do more then 1 VGU next year anyways this just means that we are letting the players decide on 2 of them rather then 1 of the VGUs for next year as well as the added cost of doing longer development blogs on 2 champs rather then 1, but I enjoy doing blogs to players so I don’t mind. Can you also share who you wil rework first? or will it be a package deal like KM? In any case I think that if it's not a package deal Voli should be first as he did win, by a slim quota, but still.
> [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qYWkz0uu,comment-id=000200010002,timestamp=2019-05-31T16:14:52.974+0000) > > Can you also share who you wil rework first? or will it be a package deal like KM? In any case I think that if it's not a package deal Voli should be first as he did win, by a slim quota, but still. It won't be a package deal and it will be based on which one we have a solid design direction for first. We wouldn't push Volibear through first if we weren't confident in his direction just because he had more votes. Both have started early exploration at the same time, so either could be first.
Sebástián (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qYWkz0uu,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-05-30T22:09:58.114+0000) > > Not too hard. We are going to do more then 1 VGU next year anyways this just means that we are letting the players decide on 2 of them rather then 1 of the VGUs for next year as well as the added cost of doing longer development blogs on 2 champs rather then 1, but I enjoy doing blogs to players so I don’t mind. Reav3 what about Dr.Mundo one of the oldest champions in the game .....?
> [{quoted}](name=Sebástián,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qYWkz0uu,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2019-05-31T12:21:14.550+0000) > > Reav3 what about Dr.Mundo one of the oldest champions in the game .....? What about him? He is still on our list to VGU at some point. Not getting voted by players doesnt mean we are never going to VGU the champ
: Reav3, if you are reading this how easy was it to make the call to do both champs, both in terms of making the decision and allocating resources when you were only expecting 1 VGU?
> [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qYWkz0uu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-30T16:18:12.517+0000) > > Reav3, if you are reading this how easy was it to make the call to do both champs, both in terms of making the decision and allocating resources when you were only expecting 1 VGU? Not too hard. We are going to do more then 1 VGU next year anyways this just means that we are letting the players decide on 2 of them rather then 1 of the VGUs for next year as well as the added cost of doing longer development blogs on 2 champs rather then 1, but I enjoy doing blogs to players so I don’t mind.
: According to Spideraxe she would have won if Riot hadn't weighted chinas vote. So yeah, she probably will get her smaller VGU in not such a far future. https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1134139327498399746
> [{quoted}](name=Lady Faceless,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qYWkz0uu,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-05-30T19:19:31.769+0000) > > According to Spideraxe she would have won if Riot hadn't weighted chinas vote. > So yeah, she probably will get her smaller VGU in not such a far future. > > https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1134139327498399746 Actually without weighting Voli still care first and Fiddle was still second. Shyvana was just a much closer 3rd
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yQNMhiKd,comment-id=0004000500000000000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2019-01-26T15:23:05.400+0000) > > I loooooove Wintersun necro reply but wintersuns debut album "wintersun" is one of the best melodeath albums ive listened to.
> [{quoted}](name=Èpicwyvern,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yQNMhiKd,comment-id=00040005000000000000000000000000000200000003,timestamp=2019-05-25T02:51:43.103+0000) > > necro reply but wintersuns debut album "wintersun" is one of the best melodeath albums ive listened to. Yean, I LOVE that album
AIQ (NA)
: Just curious if it's a straight "1 for 1 vote this champion got the most" or if there was any "handicaps" for the less popular of the group. It's no secret Nocturne and Fiddle had a huge advantage at the start simply due to popularity, and Shyvana and Voli are not even contestable. Mundo may have had a chance without help, but were any of those factors taken into consideration? Or was it a raw poll?
TyRamos (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WEvzsH58,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-05-15T19:44:18.726+0000) > > We haven't pegged down the exact date, but it should be sometime shortly after MSI is over Why do these take so long? It's a vote? It should just be announced literally right after the voting is done. Makes it seem like it's not an actual vote and y'all just say it's a vote and then decide yourself.
We want to make sure the blog gets room and attention in the Client, which will be hard during MSI with all the MSI content going into the client during this time. We also have to get the data back from all the regions, see who won, write a blog about it, do feedback and iteration on the blog and then localize it for all regions. I'm hoping we can also maybe get a little more detail into our goals for the winning Champion and maybe even a little early concept art if possible, though it might be tight
DWT12345 (NA)
: Will there be development posts about the process of reworking the chosen champion like the voted skins have?
Yes, though they will be further apart then the skins team, probably every 2-3 months or so
Zoli Ben (EUNE)
: Now that the VGU voting is over... How long until the results are announced?
We haven't pegged down the exact date, but it should be sometime shortly after MSI is over
: @Reav3: Is Yuumi is the non-humanoid in the pipeline you talked about ?
Yes, Yuumi was the non-humanoid I was referring to.
: Does Meddler's work on Wukong not fall into this category? Or is it "not in development" cuz Meddler's on leave?
Meddler is jsut working on a small gameplay update to Wukong, the question in this thread was more about Visual updates. We still plan on doing small gameplay updates the Champions if they need it
: I like how it picked up from her initial teaser. It showed her going into the Void, and now she's there. What's that place at the end, though? Is that a teaser for the new faction that will be coming later on with the assassin? It is a forest, after all. Curious.
Curious Indeed
: Reav3 Will Pantheon stay left handed?
: Can Riot comment on if we're going to get Ezreal tier VgUs in the future?
Its something we are still open to do in the future, though we don't currently have any projects like that in development
Zoli Ben (EUNE)
: What about {{champion:81}} level reworks and champions that are unhealthy, binary and visually outdated and have low playerbase like {{champion:9}} {{champion:36}}{{champion:72}} , I would not consider last of the urgent candidates done until these are taken care of.
Champs like Fiddle, Mundo, Skarner and such are still high on our list for VGUs. I didn't say we were stopping VGUs, just doing a bit less going forward then we have been doing recently
: So Less VGU and More New Champions
I want to take a minute to answer this from my perspective. First of all our intentions of doing less VGUs and more New Champs was actually based on caring for the playerbase as well as from player feedback we have gotten over the years as we have done New Champs and VGUs. Let me go into a bit more detail though. First when I said less VGUs I didnt mean we would stop doing them, I just meant we would slow down. Expect to still see plenty of VGUs in the future, just not as many as we have been doing last year. The reason why I feel that his is coming from a caring place is this. There are many players that share your perspective, that they want their main updated, and changed. But you have to understand there are also many other players that love their Champion, and find it very frustrating when they are updated even if many other players think the update makes them way better. We have to care about these players as well, and whenever we do VGUs we also cause a lot of disruption and frustration from players over their Champion being changed. New Champions generally don't cause this player pain. Last year we actually saw a lot higher player frustration over change, partly due to how many old Champions we were updating and changing, with many older players feeling alienated by the changes. At this point, after Morde, many of the Champions we would consider for a VGU have much higher players bases then the Champions we were doing VGUs on in the past. This isn't to say there isn't value in doing them, but if we were doing them at the rate we were doing them last year, on Champions with bigger player bases, then that is many more players that would feel frustrated or alienated by the changes, even if many other players like them. This isn't to say we want to stop doing them as we feel there is value in the game feeling modern and up to date, which means we value updating the things that are getting old and dated. The Champions on the list just aren't as dated as some of the ones we did over the last couple years, and as a result the value in updating them isn't as high, and also has a higher disruption and player pain cost since the Champions have bigger player bases.
Flemman (EUW)
: So if I understand right, way less big VGU but Ezreal like VGU are still a thing right? Because many champ, despise decent kit, could really use those (yordle unification still not finished, udyr and mundo age really poorly, malph still a big nose) Is slowing the vgu process mean those will need to wait years before being worked on (1 out of 5 is really small and will most likely frustrate poeple who wanted the other 4 :s) or the poll is only for big VGU project. Also, if VGU (big and small) are less likely to happen now, what can we expect about splash art update (you know, vyndicator vayne, toxic mundo and all those misfit art)
The poll will just be for one of the VGUs in 2020, jsut because a Champion doesnt get chosen in the poll doesnt mean they wont get a VGU in 2020, it just means it won't be guaranteed for 2020. When I said less VGUs I didnt mean like 1 a year, just less then we have been doing
Kei143 (NA)
: Will the votes be held for all regions or just NA? If it's worldwide, I'm curious to see what other regions think about which champs needs rework the most.
: now I'm getting hype :) is something planned when we get the next roadmap? after Pantheon, the Assassin Champion or later?
Sooner then that, Poll should be out in a matter of weeks, not months
Zoli Ben (EUNE)
: Thanks! Will Pantheon stay as a top laner or jungle?
We have been testing and balancing him around top/jng
: Thanks, a question to the poll, will tell us which champions have won and how many of those will get reworks place 1-5 or only place 1-3? And Is this the non-human champion you spoke of a long time ago?
There will be 5 Champions on the poll with information about whats our goals for each VGU will be. The one with the highest amount of votes will be guaranteed for 2020, but that doesn't mean that others on the list won't happen as well
: The marksman in the end, is it a new champion or rework and is RiotAugust the designer?
Zoli Ben (EUNE)
: Hey Reav3 if you are seeing this thread can I ask you if {{champion:80}} designer is Axes or Reinboom?
Lewanor (NA)
: Hey Reav3, what about releasing the roadmap tomorrow? On the National Children's Day?
: so does this mean a new Roadmap soon(TM) -ish?
yeah should be next week sometime
Zemasu (EUW)
: Plans has changed? i saw a post on reddit were you said that the roadmap will be before the support
Yeah we moved it up so it wouldn't come out in the middle of MSI
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jG4AcI2g,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-03-28T23:34:19.000+0000) > > Well he isn't allowed to talk about Morde, so what else can he do :P When will the next roadmap come out sir. Cause i love the work you guys are doing with champs and cant wait to see whats next. <3
Should be sometime shortly after the new support, which is our next release
: Morde's reworked kit has not even been shared to the other members of the community that Malicious Metal is already talking about other wanted reworks. Didn't expect less from you {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Well he isn't allowed to talk about Morde, so what else can he do :P
: I'm getting concerned about the KnM login theme...
Don't worry there will be a K&M Login
: I've held off creating this thread for too long... The Day Riot invited me to Playtest Mordekaiser
It was great having you here! Glad you enjoyed your trip, all your feedback has been super valuable to the team.
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yQNMhiKd,comment-id=00040005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-25T21:30:08.606+0000) > > LoL, I love the hot vampire aesthetic. Ishan is a great reference. Anthems to The Welkin at Dusk is still one of my favorite metal albums. Wasn't into much Black metal besides Emperor and Dimmu Borgir, since I really like the more Melodic stuff. Emperor was so good though. Was always a fan of Lestat from Anne Rice's books as well. Lots of great references for a Vlad VGU in the future if you like melodic death metal maybe wintersun is your thing?
thync (NA)
: Is that in any particular order or nah?
: Is it too early to talk about Mordekaiser’s character? Will he be rebranded like Sion or Yorick narratively? Or will he be evolved like Akali?
We don't plan or rebranding him, just expanding on his current lore
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yQNMhiKd,comment-id=000400050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-25T21:04:15.169+0000) > > This was a list of major VGUs. I would rather wait to do a bigger VGU on Vlad in the future when he needs it more. Vlad has a special place in my heart, as one of my personal favorite Champions in LoL, I would love to make him the true hot Gothic rock star he is meant to be with a kit that supports it. He doesn't really need it as much as other Champions right now, but a boy can dream. See, here's what burns me up. That's is your logic about Vladimir. Yet your team was perfectly fine to do that to these champions and leave them in a half-baked state for going on 3 years now. {{champion:12}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:57}} All have had their models updated. All have had their kits updated at some point. Maokai had his voice updated. Yet you guys rushed them out on their ancient rigging and most with their old voices, and called them done. Why do you get to say "No, we'll wait on Vlad so we can do it right," yet ignore these champions who you didn't do right and who everyone at Riot seems to believe is in a good state? None of them have proper recall animations for crying out loud, and their ancient rigging on most of them makes them feel as ancient as they are, regardless of how new their models may be. It's a bit insulting that these champions are held back from being fully modernized because your half-baked work on them is acceptable to you guys.
I mean I wasn't the producer on any of those Champions except Maokai. I didn't even work at Riot when any of those were done (Besides the gameplay update we did for Maokai) So I can't really speak to the decisions behind those updates. For Maokai we only updated his VO as part of the class updates we used to do, which we didn't have much art bandwidth for but we had a bit of VO bandwidth. Since he had received a visual update in the past and was then getting a gameplay update we felt to make him feel more complete we could also update his VO. I agree that the Champions listed don't feel complete and there is a reason we don't do updates like that anymore and we only focus on New champs or full VGUs, that bring everything about a Champion up to modern standards. At this point though, while those Champions might not be fully complete, they are still in a lot better spots then the Champions on the current VGU list.
: > Vlad has a special place in my heart, as one of my personal favorite Champions in LoL, I would love to make him the true hot Gothic rock star he is meant to be with a kit that supports it. wow never has a single sentence made me sweat so much ~~Can't you use the excuse it's for the ladies?~~ Thank you... in the meantime, I am willing to bribe hundreds to whichever artist makes him not great, but only bearable to look at? PS I've always seen him as more of a one man black metal band... think Ihsahn if he looked like Carach Angren and sounded a little bit more like Ne Obliviscaris? https://i.ibb.co/FDV0T6y/blakc1.jpg
LoL, I love the hot vampire aesthetic. Ishan is a great reference. Anthems to The Welkin at Dusk is still one of my favorite metal albums. Wasn't into much Black metal besides Emperor and Dimmu Borgir, since I really like the more Melodic stuff. Emperor was so good though. Was always a fan of Lestat from Anne Rice's books as well. Lots of great references for a Vlad VGU in the future
: That list doesn't include VgU's with a small g, right? Ezreal tier I mean. Would something like Vladimir fit into that category, he frankly looks rather awful in game and his kit could use some minor touchups.^^
This was a list of major VGUs. I would rather wait to do a bigger VGU on Vlad in the future when he needs it more. Vlad has a special place in my heart, as one of my personal favorite Champions in LoL, I would love to make him the true hot Gothic rock star he is meant to be with a kit that supports it. He doesn't really need it as much as other Champions right now, but a boy can dream.
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