: Reav3 Will Pantheon stay left handed?
: Can Riot comment on if we're going to get Ezreal tier VgUs in the future?
Its something we are still open to do in the future, though we don't currently have any projects like that in development
Zoli Ben (EUNE)
: What about {{champion:81}} level reworks and champions that are unhealthy, binary and visually outdated and have low playerbase like {{champion:9}} {{champion:36}}{{champion:72}} , I would not consider last of the urgent candidates done until these are taken care of.
Champs like Fiddle, Mundo, Skarner and such are still high on our list for VGUs. I didn't say we were stopping VGUs, just doing a bit less going forward then we have been doing recently
: So Less VGU and More New Champions
I want to take a minute to answer this from my perspective. First of all our intentions of doing less VGUs and more New Champs was actually based on caring for the playerbase as well as from player feedback we have gotten over the years as we have done New Champs and VGUs. Let me go into a bit more detail though. First when I said less VGUs I didnt mean we would stop doing them, I just meant we would slow down. Expect to still see plenty of VGUs in the future, just not as many as we have been doing last year. The reason why I feel that his is coming from a caring place is this. There are many players that share your perspective, that they want their main updated, and changed. But you have to understand there are also many other players that love their Champion, and find it very frustrating when they are updated even if many other players think the update makes them way better. We have to care about these players as well, and whenever we do VGUs we also cause a lot of disruption and frustration from players over their Champion being changed. New Champions generally don't cause this player pain. Last year we actually saw a lot higher player frustration over change, partly due to how many old Champions we were updating and changing, with many older players feeling alienated by the changes. At this point, after Morde, many of the Champions we would consider for a VGU have much higher players bases then the Champions we were doing VGUs on in the past. This isn't to say there isn't value in doing them, but if we were doing them at the rate we were doing them last year, on Champions with bigger player bases, then that is many more players that would feel frustrated or alienated by the changes, even if many other players like them. This isn't to say we want to stop doing them as we feel there is value in the game feeling modern and up to date, which means we value updating the things that are getting old and dated. The Champions on the list just aren't as dated as some of the ones we did over the last couple years, and as a result the value in updating them isn't as high, and also has a higher disruption and player pain cost since the Champions have bigger player bases.
Flemman (EUW)
: So if I understand right, way less big VGU but Ezreal like VGU are still a thing right? Because many champ, despise decent kit, could really use those (yordle unification still not finished, udyr and mundo age really poorly, malph still a big nose) Is slowing the vgu process mean those will need to wait years before being worked on (1 out of 5 is really small and will most likely frustrate poeple who wanted the other 4 :s) or the poll is only for big VGU project. Also, if VGU (big and small) are less likely to happen now, what can we expect about splash art update (you know, vyndicator vayne, toxic mundo and all those misfit art)
The poll will just be for one of the VGUs in 2020, jsut because a Champion doesnt get chosen in the poll doesnt mean they wont get a VGU in 2020, it just means it won't be guaranteed for 2020. When I said less VGUs I didnt mean like 1 a year, just less then we have been doing
Kei143 (NA)
: Will the votes be held for all regions or just NA? If it's worldwide, I'm curious to see what other regions think about which champs needs rework the most.
: now I'm getting hype :) is something planned when we get the next roadmap? after Pantheon, the Assassin Champion or later?
Sooner then that, Poll should be out in a matter of weeks, not months
Zoli Ben (EUNE)
: Thanks! Will Pantheon stay as a top laner or jungle?
We have been testing and balancing him around top/jng
: Thanks, a question to the poll, will tell us which champions have won and how many of those will get reworks place 1-5 or only place 1-3? And Is this the non-human champion you spoke of a long time ago?
There will be 5 Champions on the poll with information about whats our goals for each VGU will be. The one with the highest amount of votes will be guaranteed for 2020, but that doesn't mean that others on the list won't happen as well
: The marksman in the end, is it a new champion or rework and is RiotAugust the designer?
Zoli Ben (EUNE)
: Hey Reav3 if you are seeing this thread can I ask you if {{champion:80}} designer is Axes or Reinboom?
Lewanor (NA)
: Hey Reav3, what about releasing the roadmap tomorrow? On the National Children's Day?
: so does this mean a new Roadmap soon(TM) -ish?
yeah should be next week sometime
Zemasu (EUW)
: Plans has changed? i saw a post on reddit were you said that the roadmap will be before the support
Yeah we moved it up so it wouldn't come out in the middle of MSI
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=jG4AcI2g,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-03-28T23:34:19.000+0000) > > Well he isn't allowed to talk about Morde, so what else can he do :P When will the next roadmap come out sir. Cause i love the work you guys are doing with champs and cant wait to see whats next. <3
Should be sometime shortly after the new support, which is our next release
: Morde's reworked kit has not even been shared to the other members of the community that Malicious Metal is already talking about other wanted reworks. Didn't expect less from you {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Well he isn't allowed to talk about Morde, so what else can he do :P
: I'm getting concerned about the KnM login theme...
Don't worry there will be a K&M Login
: I've held off creating this thread for too long... The Day Riot invited me to Playtest Mordekaiser
It was great having you here! Glad you enjoyed your trip, all your feedback has been super valuable to the team.
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yQNMhiKd,comment-id=00040005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-25T21:30:08.606+0000) > > LoL, I love the hot vampire aesthetic. Ishan is a great reference. Anthems to The Welkin at Dusk is still one of my favorite metal albums. Wasn't into much Black metal besides Emperor and Dimmu Borgir, since I really like the more Melodic stuff. Emperor was so good though. Was always a fan of Lestat from Anne Rice's books as well. Lots of great references for a Vlad VGU in the future if you like melodic death metal maybe wintersun is your thing?
thync (NA)
: Is that in any particular order or nah?
: Is it too early to talk about Mordekaiser’s character? Will he be rebranded like Sion or Yorick narratively? Or will he be evolved like Akali?
We don't plan or rebranding him, just expanding on his current lore
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yQNMhiKd,comment-id=000400050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-25T21:04:15.169+0000) > > This was a list of major VGUs. I would rather wait to do a bigger VGU on Vlad in the future when he needs it more. Vlad has a special place in my heart, as one of my personal favorite Champions in LoL, I would love to make him the true hot Gothic rock star he is meant to be with a kit that supports it. He doesn't really need it as much as other Champions right now, but a boy can dream. See, here's what burns me up. That's is your logic about Vladimir. Yet your team was perfectly fine to do that to these champions and leave them in a half-baked state for going on 3 years now. {{champion:12}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:57}} All have had their models updated. All have had their kits updated at some point. Maokai had his voice updated. Yet you guys rushed them out on their ancient rigging and most with their old voices, and called them done. Why do you get to say "No, we'll wait on Vlad so we can do it right," yet ignore these champions who you didn't do right and who everyone at Riot seems to believe is in a good state? None of them have proper recall animations for crying out loud, and their ancient rigging on most of them makes them feel as ancient as they are, regardless of how new their models may be. It's a bit insulting that these champions are held back from being fully modernized because your half-baked work on them is acceptable to you guys.
I mean I wasn't the producer on any of those Champions except Maokai. I didn't even work at Riot when any of those were done (Besides the gameplay update we did for Maokai) So I can't really speak to the decisions behind those updates. For Maokai we only updated his VO as part of the class updates we used to do, which we didn't have much art bandwidth for but we had a bit of VO bandwidth. Since he had received a visual update in the past and was then getting a gameplay update we felt to make him feel more complete we could also update his VO. I agree that the Champions listed don't feel complete and there is a reason we don't do updates like that anymore and we only focus on New champs or full VGUs, that bring everything about a Champion up to modern standards. At this point though, while those Champions might not be fully complete, they are still in a lot better spots then the Champions on the current VGU list.
: > Vlad has a special place in my heart, as one of my personal favorite Champions in LoL, I would love to make him the true hot Gothic rock star he is meant to be with a kit that supports it. wow never has a single sentence made me sweat so much ~~Can't you use the excuse it's for the ladies?~~ Thank you... in the meantime, I am willing to bribe hundreds to whichever artist makes him not great, but only bearable to look at? PS I've always seen him as more of a one man black metal band... think Ihsahn if he looked like Carach Angren and sounded a little bit more like Ne Obliviscaris? https://i.ibb.co/FDV0T6y/blakc1.jpg
LoL, I love the hot vampire aesthetic. Ishan is a great reference. Anthems to The Welkin at Dusk is still one of my favorite metal albums. Wasn't into much Black metal besides Emperor and Dimmu Borgir, since I really like the more Melodic stuff. Emperor was so good though. Was always a fan of Lestat from Anne Rice's books as well. Lots of great references for a Vlad VGU in the future
: That list doesn't include VgU's with a small g, right? Ezreal tier I mean. Would something like Vladimir fit into that category, he frankly looks rather awful in game and his kit could use some minor touchups.^^
This was a list of major VGUs. I would rather wait to do a bigger VGU on Vlad in the future when he needs it more. Vlad has a special place in my heart, as one of my personal favorite Champions in LoL, I would love to make him the true hot Gothic rock star he is meant to be with a kit that supports it. He doesn't really need it as much as other Champions right now, but a boy can dream.
: You said in the video "Champion plans for the First Half of Season 2019" does that mean that everything mentioned in the video will be released until the mid season? If everything works as planned?
: {{champion:32}} aswell
Lyaso (EUW)
: New Roadmap!So again after one year,Reav3 can you give us another new update on the tier 1 VGU list?
Sure, current Champions we talk a lot about internally for VGUS are {{champion:36}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:106}}
: What about stealing enemy champion souls?!
Enslaving is different then stealing
DeviIos (EUW)
: Can't wait for the colorful marksmen that steals your auto attacks /s
Lol. Don't worry we don't have anymore champs in development that steal anything for anyone :P
Pale Mask (EUW)
: Let me guess: fairly soon?
: Is it coming this week or the next ¿
This week
: So, if I understand correctly, the roadmap will come this week, January 21st? :)
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nqE4a8Ey,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-20T16:14:20.742+0000) > > Don’t worry fam, we currently have 0 Ionian champs is development which means 2019’s New Champs and VGUs will be Ionian free. Speaking of champions and VGUs, we are expecting a roadmap soon are we not. Can you put a specific date on it so i can look forward to something in this stressful week to come <3
I can’t put a specific date, but it will be sometime next week (assuming Monday is the start of the week)
: I just hope we take a break from Ionia for quite some time now. Especially new champion releases focused a bit much on that region, it's time to fill out these with a small champion pool.
Don’t worry fam, we currently have 0 Ionian champs is development which means 2019’s New Champs and VGUs will be Ionian free.
: To be honest, not being able to relate to non-human/humanoid champions isn't much of an issue for me (or the vast majority of your playerbase for that matter). 1. I enjoy the primal nature of champions like Cho'Gath and Rek'Sai. 2. When they're as intelligent and complex as Aurelion Sol, you can still relate to them as though they're human. 3. I enjoy the mythology behind some of the more elusive creatures (or the ones that don't leave many survivors) - human mythology is full of monstrous non-human beings that quite frequently show up in pop culture. Writing lore for these creatures really wouldn't be that hard. Write it as a field guide to monsters. Write it in 2nd person from the perspective of its prey. Write it as though we're watching a David Attenborough documentary on Xer'Sai hunting maneuvers.
While I understand its not a issue for you, or me tbh. We do see that it is a issue for the vast majority of our players, I was just commenting on why I think that is. Here is the link that one of our data scientists put out about Champion popularity awhile ago https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/11/champ-popularity-mixing-math-art/ Non-Humanoid Champions definitely get played much less then humanoid Champions by a majority of the playerbase. This doesn't mean we shouldn't make them as they do make the cast overall feel more dynamic when we have them, even if they are less popular
Tomeksz (EUNE)
: Hi Reav3 May i ask if the roadmap will come after Sylas goes live or before? Sorry if this is annoying, i just want to see {{champion:80}} or {{champion:82}} get announced.
: Hey Reav3 can you share in your opinion why in general non humanoids aren't as resonant as humanoids, it seems to be a trend in gaming in general since like even in WoW people greatly prefer humanoids like Draenei or Elves over like say taurens or goblins
I think it's largely due to people feeling like the can relate to the Champion. Many people feel they can relate to human characters and so they like them more. If you take it one step further you will see that even among the humans more people are drawn to the "normal" humans. or humans that don't have god like powers, since that is even more relatable. Lee Sin, Yassuo, Jhin, Akali, Miss Fortune are all extremely popular and they all share the fact that they are not only humans but humans without any super powers, they all just got to be Champions from being super bad ass humans, rather then from some magical gift or godly power.
: Reav3, you're referring to an entirely new champion, right? Not a VGU, correct? Either way though, I'm excited. :D
Yes, a New Champion, and when I say non-human, I mean not humanoid either, so not like Neeko
: More Non human champs?
Atm we do have at least 1 non-human champ in development :)
: His kit is pretty clever, was it designed entirely around the idea of what he needed in a kit to make effective use of any ult? I'm just a little disappointed he's mainly a mid laner and you expect top to be less effective, he reads like a top laner visually and I main top and have wanted an AP champ for that position that I'd enjoy. He looks really cool
Yeah, we built the base kit around the ult. Part of the reason he has a pretty basic, generalist kit, is that it had to work with every ult in the game, or at least a majority of them
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QB5mtoGK,comment-id=001600000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T18:35:03.552+0000) > > This. When we tested a skillshot version he was very weak, because he had to land a skillshot just to get a ult, when everyone else in thegame just gets those same ults without having to land a skillshot. How will interact with Yasuo's ult who needs to land a skillshot to get his ult going?
His E2 does a brief stun that he can combo off of
: Magneto works as a villain because he has a foil in the X-Men who preach tolerance. You can easily see how and why Magneto’s methods are wrong. To be frank, innocent people are dying regardless of what Sylas does, so it’s hard to root against him unless we see more tolerant Demacians.
I think many Demacians are actually fairly tolerant though many arn't as well, you just saw a story from the viewpoint of mage seekers, which are a radical arm of Demacia, but don't represent all of Demaician Society
: @Reav3 From a difficulty-for-the-assets-department perspective, I see why he just takes the form of the champion he's stealing the ultimate of when he ults, but from an aesthetic and lore perspective, isn't it a little jarring that he, for example, doesn't just steal Lux's ultimate, but actually turns into lux while he ults?
Lore-wise he doesn't actually turn into the Champ, it happens more like in the cutscene where he steals Garens Ult and just uses it, but for Gameplay Clarity it was important that we showed the animation of the ult since a lot of our Gameplay clarity is done through Champion animations.
Jeddy017 (NA)
: While I imagine he wouldn't care about innocent non-mages die, but would he be willing to let innocent mages die? Or if mages willing stood in his way, would he kill them? Huh, this feels sort of like X-men & Sylas reminds me of Magneto.
I think Magneto is actually a good comparison, in that Magneto is technically a Villian even if his intentions are good. Sylas is very similar
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QB5mtoGK,comment-id=0016000000000002000000030000,timestamp=2019-01-08T21:48:57.371+0000) > > Goals were to make a Champion capable of stealing and using other Champions ults and to make a Demician Villain, that would show the dark side of Demacia. > > Ability stealing is something that comes up with many players as a requested Champion idea, and we felt like it was the time to finally deliver on that. Sylas is supposed to be a villain? He’s clearly the good guy in this situation
Maybe to us, but I think a majority of Demacian society view him as a terrorist. He also does not care if innocent people are killed for him to achieve his goals.
Jeddy017 (NA)
: Villain? What villain? Does he show the dark side of Demacia? Yup. Is he an antagonists for our Demacuan roster to face? Yes. But is he a villain? From what I've seen so far, nope. If anything, he seems more like an anti-hero while Demacia appears to be the villain here. Maybe there's some future material whether he does villainous actions that has yet to be release.
He is a villain, at least that's the way Demacia would view him. He is idealistic yet, but he wouldn't care if innocent people died for his cause
: Hey Reav3 can I ask what was the product goals for Sylas
Goals were to make a Champion capable of stealing and using other Champions ults and to make a Demician Villain, that would show the dark side of Demacia. Ability stealing is something that comes up with many players as a requested Champion idea, and we felt like it was the time to finally deliver on that.
Flemman (EUW)
: aren't you afraid of him being good or bad simply based on the enemy comp? if the enemy consist of champion with ult like tahm or ryze, he must rely on his QWE to do the work (seems to be a juggernaut) so those need high value but, in the same time, those value can't be to high because of the possibilities of a enemy team full of strong ult champ. I wish you good luck to balance him in a state were he is viable without being overbearing in some scenario (unless ult number aren't the same as the number from original champ to counter the "kit number based on ult" he will bypass)
Part of Sylas's who thing is that he will be stronger/weaker depending on the enemy team comp. Thats kind of his thing.
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1f4169wm,comment-id=00000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T18:35:36.713+0000) > > yup Only one question remains Reav. Roadmap when P.S. TW Three Kingdoms looks awesome
TW 3 Kingdoms does look awesome! Roadmap soonish, this month for sure
: so like just nids cougar abilities?
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