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: > [{quoted}](name=Reformed Septic,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ErhJEEtT,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-17T23:18:01.120+0000) > > first of all your focusing in on one situation. I would put money down that less than 10% of times i see a laner low under there tower pre level 6 it is because they took a fight they shouldn't because of lack of champion match up knowledge. There are reasons out of their control like level 2 ganks and such but most of the time just take it back and go back to lane stop blaming the jg because you got level 2 ganked or took a bad trade and its "out of your control". The jungle will most of the time get to you later, he/she hasother priorities other than to take care of your whiny sore losing ass especially if you start flaming them early in the game. > > Also nobody was talking elo but I guess since you bring it up your plat not diamond and also I am not stuck in my elo if I am not actively trying to climb. I am actually sort of enjoying this season and just playing to play. So why don't you stop being a typical plat player who has to bring elo into everything just to show you are a higher elo and attempt to flat out discredit any point someone says no matter how valid the point is. Im not saying your not better but you sure as hell seem like someone I don't want to keep talking to so I am done with you on this thread. > > Have a good day and good luck climbing. But they are not entirely rong either. There are games where me and the Adc play safe and still get pushed uner tower. In thoes game the jungler almost never comes dwon bot for a gank. I get what your saying about sej. But dont think Junglers are completley innoecent. So stop acting like they are. I will admit there are time I screw up in lane and we loes it. If thats the case then I do not get mad for no ganks. But when we just get pushed becuase we are aginst a bot lane that pushe well.... then yes a gank from jungle would be nice for relif. Oh and I do ward usuly on my trinkets cooldwon before my item gets done and if I get in to ward safely.
In the scenario where you are pushed under tower and you are not inting then yes you can ask the jungler for ganks and get frustrated with them but at the same time if jg is getting top and mid fed then shut up and lose your lane just don't int it. Both sides are arguing specific scenarios and from what I see pretty much everyone on this thread so far sounds reasonable this was more for those who just blame jg no matter what which I have been seeing more and more of lately so I felt inclined to make a post. I by no means ignore a lane unless its just a lost lane. If a lane is 0-6 or something im not helping you (unless i see some almost absolute certain success for a gank like laner is low and I can basically just solo kill) because I will be doing better elsewhere and will just be wasting time with my inting bot lane. And i understand that with the ward system that it is hard to have 100% ward but that's no excuse to die because you are pushed without a ward. if you have not ward that means don't push to tower all the time. Find the best times to push (jg is nearby, warded up, ect..) and if you die occasionally its understandable but again this thread was meant for the games of laner is 0-3 because lack of warding, lack of understanding of freezing, lack of understanding of when to pressure then proceeds to blame jg anyways. I always say to people i don't care if you lose lane, I understand that. just do not int your lane. I can deal with a 2-0 3-0 or even 4-0 enemy lane what I cannot deal with is a 8-0 enemy laner.
: You are assuming I'm making a lot of mistakes concidering I'm a diamond player. I think it's pretty safe to assume me getting poked down and dying under tower lvl 4 isn't exactly my fault. If you give up on ganking botlane you best make sure the game ends before 25mins or you are absolutely dooming your team to a loss because of your terrible decision making. I find jungle extremely easy as my 3rd best role. All I do as jungle is camp the everliving shit out of bot/mid and ignore the fuck out of top lane seems to win me almost every game in gold/plat elo. If you are stuck in a lower elo it is almost certainly your own fault regardless of which role you play, but as a jungle it has to be one of the easiest fixes ever. And by not doing it you deny yourself lots of feelo.
first of all your focusing in on one situation. I would put money down that less than 10% of times i see a laner low under there tower pre level 6 it is because they took a fight they shouldn't because of lack of champion match up knowledge. There are reasons out of their control like level 2 ganks and such but most of the time just take it back and go back to lane stop blaming the jg because you got level 2 ganked or took a bad trade and its "out of your control". The jungle will most of the time get to you later, he/she hasother priorities other than to take care of your whiny sore losing ass especially if you start flaming them early in the game. Also nobody was talking elo but I guess since you bring it up your plat not diamond and also I am not stuck in my elo if I am not actively trying to climb. I am actually sort of enjoying this season and just playing to play. So why don't you stop being a typical plat player who has to bring elo into everything just to show you are a higher elo and attempt to flat out discredit any point someone says no matter how valid the point is. Im not saying your not better but you sure as hell seem like someone I don't want to keep talking to so I am done with you on this thread. Have a good day and good luck climbing.
: If you are one of the junglers that refuses to gank bot because they have been getting camped then you are actively letting your entire team down. don't gank that toplane shen, malph,sion,mao,poppy, they're not going to carry please for fucks sake use your brain junglers it's not difficult. i cannot count the number of games enemy botlane is over extending pushing wave after waving into tower only for their jungler to still come bot more mostly see this behavior on my smurfs in silver elo. i don't know what silver junglers obsession with camping toplane but it's obviously the reason they are hardstuck.
Thats understandable if your not behind but 9 times out of 10 it doesn't matter if they are pushed up the bot lane is probably inting and you do go and gank and then all three of you die because the enemy adc is too strong cause bot is 0-5 already. You sound like an adc/support that doesn't ward and does exactly what I said I have a problem with and you clearly do not understand the idea that I am trying to show here that you need to play around your win condition. If top is doing well and bot is feeding, theres probably no hope for bot so your best chances are to keep getting obj and kills top cause feeders gunna feed. Maybe im jungling you wrong but maybe someone else can weigh in on this but you sound like the problem I have with laners, "you didn't gank me your the reason we lose" and not the fact that you are 0-5 and cannot ward/turtle.
: I notice I have fewer and fewer of those types of people when I talk in champ select about my intentions based ont he champ I'm playing. For instance (I usually switch between 2 junglers this season. Could play others but generally these two:{{champion:113}} {{champion:2}} ): Playing {{champion:113}} : "Hey guys, just a heads up. I'm geared more towards mid to late. I'll try and gank where possible pre-6 but I'd ask you ward up because I might not come owning to my weak early game." Have I ganked for them pre-6? Sure. Has it always worked out? No. But they appreciated the show at least. And they warded up for me and I for them. Generally they didn't feed. Playing {{champion:2}} : "Hey guys, I'm looking to get us going early. Set up the lanes as best ya can and let's end this pre 20 if we can." Do they always set up the lanes? No. Do I gank anyways if they didn't set up the lanes? Depends on the health of the enemy laners but generally no. So I'll just start getting tanky since my early won't mean too much and I need to survive the late for my laners.
I have tried this then I get the generic "ah man I can already tell this guy is toxic" and its just so frustrating how baby this player base is. Like i don't mind the flame that's fine just actually try and win the game rather than just giving up cause you suck and its just easier to blame jg and int. sorry guess my question is how do you handle those that claim your toxic without even saying anything? I assume just mute when in game. I guess ill have to try this a bit more to see how it works for me
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