hotarse (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Blakiepug,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-15T15:26:48.896+0000) > > I have over 650,000 mastery points on Tahm Kench and I am right there with you. It feels like Riot's balance team doesn't mind dumpstering a champion like Tahm because he doesn't have a large enough player base for them to care. This patch is truly disheartening for Tahm mains... :( Yeah. New champ comes out. If it doesn't sell enough skins they slowly nerf it so it sits at a lower enough win rate that play rate slowly dwindles to a few hard core mains. By then no one even bats an eye when a subpar support champ gets nerfed while an always banned pain in the butt champ like yasuo is getting buffed.
> [{quoted}](name=hotarse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2018-08-16T12:57:26.987+0000) > > Yeah. New champ comes out. If it doesn't sell enough skins they slowly nerf it so it sits at a lower enough win rate that play rate slowly dwindles to a few hard core mains. By then no one even bats an eye when a subpar support champ gets nerfed while an always banned pain in the butt champ like yasuo is getting buffed. Big money maker yasou
: His winning matchups are now losing ones. That's why it kills him.
> [{quoted}](name=SpecterVonBaren,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2018-08-16T02:15:01.968+0000) > > His winning matchups are now losing ones. That's why it kills him. Yeah, blitz and thresh matches will be a hell from now on (tbh if anyone plays him sup in my game I will just dodge, he is a troll pick at this point)
Rouwhorst (EUW)
: I am all in for TK nerfs as that fish is just unfun to play against, both him in top and him in support. But this change is pushing him into toplane where I want him more gone than in bot.
> [{quoted}](name=Rouwhorst,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-08-15T21:40:33.187+0000) > > I am all in for TK nerfs as that fish is just unfun to play against, both him in top and him in support. > But this change is pushing him into toplane where I want him more gone than in bot. He is actually fair to play against, unlike janna, lulu and soraka as when they get strong you just afk.
: The Death of Tahm kench support
It is also interesting that I can't upvote posts here (it says I am not authorized)
: > [{quoted}](name=Relic Shîeld,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-08-15T18:10:22.527+0000) > > The thing about tahm that they totally killed him of his role, and I am really sad as he encouraged me to play more ranked as I felt in love after a few game with him. I know brand is so broken and freelo as a sup, but I just don't enjoy him. Trust me, I've got 230k points on him just playing support, I hate this as much as you do. I'm just saying that I don't give a shit if a champ is broken in pro play or not. Champs like Kench and Kalista _should_ be the ones that are spammed in pro play since they're some of the most team reliant champs in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-08-15T18:18:44.075+0000) > > Trust me, I've got 230k points on him just playing support, I hate this as much as you do. I'm just saying that I don't give a shit if a champ is broken in pro play or not. Champs like Kench and Kalista _should_ be the ones that are spammed in pro play since they're some of the most team reliant champs in the game. Agree, and if they want pro play to have more "interesting" champs they can just buff some other champs while not removing TK support.
: Are you talking about the cooldown increase? Because if so I agree. I mained shield supports and tahm can effect a shield (with some other effects) against most damage using consume. Lowering the duration to 4 seconds brought it in line with most shields. The huge cooldown increase is just ridiculous. He wont even be building a ton of cooldown reduction as a tank either and even if he did hed stil have it at over 8 seconds which is crazy. Some people may point out that it's effectively an infinite damage shield and janna who has the largest shield has a similar cooldown but those people forget that consume doesnt block instances of damage over time already effecting the target and also requires tahm to be basically in melee range vs every other shield user having moderate to long ranges on their shields. Also as someone else already mentioned he really doesnt bring much to teamfights due to his single target focus and utility ult that has little to no use during the actual teamfight. TLDR: cooldown increase is egregious and completely uncalled for.
> [{quoted}](name=JarodDempsey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-15T18:13:03.126+0000) > > Are you talking about the cooldown increase? Because if so I agree. I mained shield supports and tahm can effect a shield (with some other effects) against most damage using consume. Lowering the duration to 4 seconds brought it in line with most shields. The huge cooldown increase is just ridiculous. He wont even be building a ton of cooldown reduction as a tank either and even if he did hed stil have it at over 8 seconds which is crazy. Some people may point out that it's effectively an infinite damage shield and janna who has the largest shield has a similar cooldown but those people forget that consume doesnt block instances of damage over time already effecting the target and also requires tahm to be basically in melee range vs every other shield user having moderate to long ranges on their shields. Also as someone else already mentioned he really doesnt bring much to teamfights due to his single target focus and utility ult that has little to no use during the actual teamfight. > > TLDR: cooldown increase is egregious and completely uncalled for. His w is worse than a shield as it makes your carry do 0 damage in that time. I hope one day we will see a w CD revert...
: {{champion:223}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:268}} will all never actually be balanced because of the LCS. Riot wants to see more diversity in team comps for LCS play, but I say, who fucking cares, honestly? I play Nami and Brand more these days but I don't give a shit if I never see them in the LCS. I don't need some kind of validation for my champ choices because I want to see a pro play them, hell, I don't even want to see them playing them because that means more people will pick them up, make them popular and possibly lead to nerfs.
> [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-15T18:07:01.362+0000) > > {{champion:223}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:268}} will all never actually be balanced because of the LCS. > > Riot wants to see more diversity in team comps for LCS play, but I say, who fucking cares, honestly? I play Nami and Brand more these days but I don't give a shit if I never see them in the LCS. I don't need some kind of validation for my champ choices because I want to see a pro play them, hell, I don't even want to see them playing them because that means more people will pick them up, make them popular and possibly lead to nerfs. The thing about tahm that they totally killed him of his role, and I am really sad as he encouraged me to play more ranked as I felt in love after a few game with him. I know brand is so broken and freelo as a sup, but I just don't enjoy him.
Profirix (NA)
: I'm actually quitting over this. They don't listen or they don't care. They trade a 'toxic' save mechanic for an even more toxic top lane melee bully. They don't compensate the support role for pulling so much power out of his kit. And for what? LCS?
> [{quoted}](name=Tongue in Cheek,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-08-15T15:32:06.221+0000) > > I'm actually quitting over this. They don't listen or they don't care. They trade a 'toxic' save mechanic for an even more toxic top lane melee bully. They don't compensate the support role for pulling so much power out of his kit. And for what? LCS? The fun thing is his W isn't that broken with his current kit, as it is a dps loss. Also his E healing is much weaker than pyke, who is an assassin....
: I have over 650,000 mastery points on Tahm Kench and I am right there with you. It feels like Riot's balance team doesn't mind dumpstering a champion like Tahm because he doesn't have a large enough player base for them to care. This patch is truly disheartening for Tahm mains... :(
> [{quoted}](name=Blakiepug,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-15T15:26:48.896+0000) > > I have over 650,000 mastery points on Tahm Kench and I am right there with you. It feels like Riot's balance team doesn't mind dumpstering a champion like Tahm because he doesn't have a large enough player base for them to care. This patch is truly disheartening for Tahm mains... :( Yeah, and the only reason to nerf him was for LCS, he wasn't strong in solo Q.
: My thing is that they took away his one reliable skill. If they wanted to nerf support kench all they had to do was lower the duration that allies are in his belly for. That's all
> [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F7zHV4Aw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-15T13:59:20.358+0000) > > My thing is that they took away his one reliable skill. If they wanted to nerf support kench all they had to do was lower the duration that allies are in his belly for. That's all Agree, most of the time you just want it for a quick save. He also only have w outside of lane, his ult is rarely good if you aren't ahead and his team fight is a joke.
: I really wish we can old zombie ward back as a utility keystone
Agree, it should have stayed as a utility tool.
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