Rioter Comments
: ARAM nothing special
> [{quoted}](name=7thHeaven,realm=NA,application-id=EBBIvmVK,discussion-id=zMqefmJx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-09T17:29:45.579+0000) > > ARAM nothing special xd fax
: @riot Headhunter Akali Discount?
DaPhamius (EUW)
: Akali Montage #1 | DaPhamius | Best Akali Plays
if u trine make a joint montage someday with clips from now on, hmu. J started recording clips that are clean. If you wanna make one j ask me to send them to u.
: give back akali, 6.21 or 6.22
> [{quoted}](name=Jesus Is My King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GKLcqj9u,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-02T01:31:11.970+0000) > > give back akali, 6.21 or 6.22 fax bro
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GKLcqj9u,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:51:33.850+0000) > > Holdup I think Im confused. > > I see a border plus icon bundle, and I see a "Project akali (Reckoning chroma) + Icon" bundle. Neither of them have the actual skin. Does this mean I need to buy the skin with RP? and then get the border with Project points? You need to buy the skin with RP (or course. Why would riot give you a skin for free) It's the same thing during all token events From the 250 token bundle you'll get the icon and the border From the 300 token bundle you'll get the Reckoning chroma and the icon Neither of them include the actual skin
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GKLcqj9u,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:54:52.307+0000) > > You need to buy the skin with RP (or course. Why would riot give you a skin for free) > It's the same thing during all token events > > From the 250 token bundle you'll get the icon and the border > From the 300 token bundle you'll get the Reckoning chroma and the icon > Neither of them include the actual skin aight bro no need to get mad
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GKLcqj9u,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:33:09.628+0000) > > the skin is 300 tokens and the border is 550 What skin? You mean the chroma? From your original post i got the idea that you aren't interested in chromas. So then you can get the border for 250 from the token shop and call it a day
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GKLcqj9u,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:47:56.245+0000) > > What skin? > You mean the chroma? Holdup I think Im confused. I see a border plus icon bundle, and I see a "Project akali (Reckoning chroma) + Icon" bundle. Neither of them have the actual skin. Does this mean I need to buy the skin with RP? and then get the border with Project points?
: > [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GKLcqj9u,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:27:37.544+0000) > > I mean, you can get the border for free by completing all of the project missions and buying the border bundle with 300 tokens the skin is 300 tokens and the border is 550
> [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GKLcqj9u,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:33:09.628+0000) > > the skin is 300 tokens and the border is 550 sorry I mean the border is 250 so In all its 550
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: I mean, you can get the border for free by completing all of the project missions and buying the border bundle with 250 tokens
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GKLcqj9u,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:27:37.544+0000) > > I mean, you can get the border for free by completing all of the project missions and buying the border bundle with 300 tokens the skin is 300 tokens and the border is 550
Rioter Comments
: I mained Akali before and after the rework. I have posted a lot of places on this board talking about how much I love new Akali and how a revert would be awful. We can discuss this in depth if you want, but suffice to say I think a revert would be a very bad idea.
> [{quoted}](name=shadowhunter4444,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wr2YBLO5,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T22:08:51.806+0000) > > I mained Akali before and after the rework. I have posted a lot of places on this board talking about how much I love new Akali and how a revert would be awful. We can discuss this in depth if you want, but suffice to say I think a revert would be a very bad idea. Welp. Don't wanna bother arguing with you. I have many many posts about how reverting akali would be beneficial to the game. So instead of arguing, just go read those and I promise your mind will change (:
: I'm honestly worried about Akali
actually a revet is the best option.
: Yes the rework was probably the biggest flop of all time.
> [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fhL67rxc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-02T06:09:27.944+0000) > > Yes the rework was probably the biggest flop of all time. a revert is highly needed
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: there is nothing that suggests a revert riot unlike you or some ** have memory they remember well what old akali was when she was a competitive pick around s3/s4 before they broke her legs and make her a silver/gold pubstomper and a champion that can hardcounter some match up in challenger elo. completely pointless to revert a champion to a state of OLD STAT CHECKING DESIGN when a company changed their design philosophy to bannish stat checking
> [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T17:35:59.656+0000) > > there is nothing that suggests a revert > riot unlike you or some ** have memory > they remember well what old akali was when she was a competitive pick around s3/s4 before they broke her legs and make her a silver/gold pubstomper and a champion that can hardcounter some match up in challenger elo. > > completely pointless to revert a champion to a state of OLD STAT CHECKING DESIGN when a company changed their design philosophy to bannish stat checking first of all this version is no less of a stat check. second of all, she want a "silver/gold pubstomper". she was played in all elos by players who knew how to use her correctly. For example, TF Blade, multiple season rank 1 challenger who MAINED Akali before she was ruined (reworked). Also, Professor Akali is high Elo and played her. There obviously so many others but I can't name every single high Elo akali player bc they aint youtubers
Kazekiba (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-28T16:11:52.829+0000) > > keep vgu, add animations for old abilities. simple. cute how easily I just demolished your entire point. too easy. you should feel bad. clearly u need to click those links and read up. obviously you have no clue what you're saying. "Spend hundreds of man-hours and waste the animators time on an existing champion getting reverted, across 6 or more skins, so we can end up with a product that was deemed oppressive and unhealthy 2 years ago! This is a great idea." - Literally nobody, except you. Remember the akali we had before the VGU was itself reworked from an older version and all 3 versions of Akali had proved oppressive. This is, by far, statistically and even subjectively, the healthiest Akali since her original release.
> [{quoted}](name=Kazekiba,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T19:54:03.989+0000) > > "Spend hundreds of man-hours and waste the animators time on an existing champion getting reverted, across 6 or more skins, so we can end up with a product that was deemed oppressive and unhealthy 2 years ago! This is a great idea." - Literally nobody, except you. > > Remember the akali we had before the VGU was itself reworked from an older version and all 3 versions of Akali had proved oppressive. > This is, by far, statistically and even subjectively, the healthiest Akali since her original release. absolutely not statistically the healthiest one. Click on the links and go find out. Obviously reverting her will be a bit of work, but a company can't just not do something thats right because its too much work. Companies need to put in the work to make situations better. In this situation, reverting akali is the right thing to due, based on plenty of facts.
: It must suck to be on the balance team
if they just reverted akali that would completely rid them of that problem.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: no it doesn't because the community can ask for old akali, if riot doesn't like old akali it will never happen just like aatrox just like a lot of reworks
> [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T16:54:55.821+0000) > > no it doesn't > > because the community can ask for old akali, if riot doesn't like old akali it will never happen > just like aatrox > just like a lot of reworks There is so much shit that suggests a revert (facts and shit). And guess what, Riot has not ruled it out yet. So obviously, no matter how little the chance is, there is a chance she can get reverted. I don't know why NO ONE can rap there god damn heads around that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T16:49:04.589+0000) > > I can confidently say that any akali main that played the old akali and continued to play this version, wants the old one back. We don't want to see Akali go through constant nerfs, when the old one was simple better for the game and better to play as because she didn't get constantly nerfed to hell. i want the old talon back i'm not getting him though am i. jog on with this shit.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T17:00:27.515+0000) > > i want the old talon back i'm not getting him though am i. > jog on with this shit. most likely because he was unfair and not good for the game. And don't just reply with saying it was the same for old akali, because it wasn't. read the links if u want to know why.
AyreBiRabak (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T16:40:35.040+0000) > > Tank akali was only semi viable on the pre-reworked akali. you might be thinking of the pre pre reworked akali. > In fact, tank/bruiser on the current Akali I would say is better then pre-reworked akali's tank build. So you actually should read the links because again clearly you are un-informed on this topic. Whatever the fuck these shit contain, riot will not revert Akali, so the best option for this case is to re-rework her and by somebody who understand wtf he's doing unlike certainlyt. He's the fucker who ruined your beloved champion to say the least.
> [{quoted}](name=AyreBiRabak,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T17:01:03.004+0000) > > Whatever the fuck these shit contain, riot will not revert Akali, so the best option for this case is to re-rework her and by somebody who understand wtf he's doing unlike certainlyt. He's the fucker who ruined your beloved champion to say the least. the least he can do is revert her. everything leads to a revert. Riot knows it works for the game, they don't know what a rework will do for the game
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-06-28T16:03:26.765+0000) > > then simply keep the the vgu. just change the ability animations to match the old abilities. wow that was easy to solve. her Q and E aren't changing at this point because they completely alter the mechanics of the champion. nerf the shroud, it's easy enough, you as the akali main should be talking about that instead of talking about stupid reverts which won't happen.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T16:11:01.191+0000) > > her Q and E aren't changing at this point because they completely alter the mechanics of the champion. > nerf the shroud, it's easy enough, you as the akali main should be talking about that instead of talking about stupid reverts which won't happen. I can confidently say that any akali main that played the old akali and continued to play this version, wants the old one back. We don't want to see Akali go through constant nerfs, when the old one was simple better for the game and better to play as because she didn't get constantly nerfed to hell.
AyreBiRabak (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-28T16:20:55.915+0000) > > Ill say the same thing I said to the others to you. Clearly, you need to click the links and reed actual facts. old akali is less toxic, she can actually be targeted in shroud rather than this akali being completely invisible and you can't reveal her. Before you say nonsensical nonsense here you should learn up on how how each version compare and contrasts. Obviously you haven't seen tank akali. Due to how she was able to heal on all abilities, she was able to go tank, and by just having gunblade which was enough to kill, as well as able to tank a shit ton of damage. I remember that shit, and it's one of the most toxic shit I've ever seen. So screw the links you to the shit you want us to read. The revert won't help, the buffs or nerfs won't help. What Akali needs is a re-rework. Simple as that.
> [{quoted}](name=AyreBiRabak,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T16:34:17.522+0000) > > Obviously you haven't seen tank akali. Due to how she was able to heal on all abilities, she was able to go tank, and by just having gunblade which was enough to kill, as well as able to tank a shit ton of damage. I remember that shit, and it's one of the most toxic shit I've ever seen. > > So screw the links you to the shit you want us to read. > The revert won't help, the buffs or nerfs won't help. What Akali needs is a re-rework. Simple as that. Tank akali was only semi viable on the pre-reworked akali. you might be thinking of the pre pre reworked akali. In fact, tank/bruiser on the current Akali I would say is better then pre-reworked akali's tank build. So you actually should read the links because again clearly you are un-informed on this topic.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: it doesn't really matter riot only reverts a rework they did not like no matter rwhat the playerbase thinks, (we've seen it enough times), and considering that riot **absolutely despised** old akali it will never happen
> [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-27T23:07:30.384+0000) > > it doesn't really matter > > riot only reverts a rework they did not like no matter rwhat the playerbase thinks, (we've seen it enough times), and considering that riot **absolutely despised** old akali it will never happen it does matter actually sorry. also riot will grow to despise this akali if they already haven't. they've put so much effort and attention on her giving her nerfs and other things, they're gonna get tired of doing that.
AyreBiRabak (EUNE)
: New Akali is toxic. Doesn't mean old Akali is any better. Those who say "rEveRt aKalI!" should get their head out of their own ass 1st and think twice on what they just said. The damn bitch doesn't need buffs or nerfs or even a revert. She needs a re-rework and by somebody who understands what a PvP game is, not fuckin certainlyt. Simple as abc.
> [{quoted}](name=AyreBiRabak,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-27T23:10:13.362+0000) > > New Akali is toxic. > Doesn't mean old Akali is any better. > > Those who say "rEveRt aKalI!" should get their head out of their own ass 1st and think twice on what they just said. > The damn bitch doesn't need buffs or nerfs or even a revert. She needs a re-rework and by somebody who understands what a PvP game is, not fuckin certainlyt. > Simple as abc. Ill say the same thing I said to the others to you. Clearly, you need to click the links and reed actual facts. old akali is less toxic, she can actually be targeted in shroud rather than this akali being completely invisible and you can't reveal her. Before you say nonsensical nonsense here you should learn up on how how each version compare and contrasts.
Kazekiba (NA)
: Nerfed shroud, point and click R... Kinda did revert her. Just make her passive have healing attached to it and viola, Akali reverted. They cant simply revert a VGU though. They dont have any models for Infernal or KDA Akali, nor the kit animations for Flourish or her old R. And old Akali was just as hard to balance anyway so what is actually accomplished? Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
> [{quoted}](name=Kazekiba,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-28T00:12:09.467+0000) > > Nerfed shroud, point and click R... > Kinda did revert her. Just make her passive have healing attached to it and viola, Akali reverted. > > They cant simply revert a VGU though. > They dont have any models for Infernal or KDA Akali, nor the kit animations for Flourish or her old R. And old Akali was just as hard to balance anyway so what is actually accomplished? > Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. keep vgu, add animations for old abilities. simple. cute how easily I just demolished your entire point. too easy. you should feel bad. clearly u need to click those links and read up. obviously you have no clue what you're saying.
iiGazeii (NA)
: I mean, I'm sure if we looked at the majority of posts asking to revert Akali, they'd be yours. You go and necro old Akali discussions just to say to revert her. Akali wasn't in a healthier state before this rework. She still did stupid damage under stealth with healing that is simply unfair on an energy-based assassin. Even in her nerfed state, the new Akali is _fun to play_. She's dynamic and engaging with so many tricks up her sleeve that the only person you can blame for losing is yourself. Yes, she has been difficult to balance, one of the toughest balance jobs Riot has had in a while. That doesn't mean it should be scrapped. There are lots of people who want to see this version of Akali work. The vocal minority shouldn't be the one deciding.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-27T23:14:03.572+0000) > > I mean, I'm sure if we looked at the majority of posts asking to revert Akali, they'd be yours. You go and necro old Akali discussions just to say to revert her. > > Akali wasn't in a healthier state before this rework. She still did stupid damage under stealth with healing that is simply unfair on an energy-based assassin. Even in her nerfed state, the new Akali is _fun to play_. She's dynamic and engaging with so many tricks up her sleeve that the only person you can blame for losing is yourself. > > Yes, she has been difficult to balance, one of the toughest balance jobs Riot has had in a while. That doesn't mean it should be scrapped. There are lots of people who want to see this version of Akali work. The vocal minority shouldn't be the one deciding. clearly you need to click those links and read up. You need to see actual facts. can't just speak with your opinion and act like your above everyone because your right. Because your not.
: KDA skin means you don't get a revert, too much money spent on the current aesthetic by customers. so tbh you're stuck with the current one, work with it instead of asking for a revert which won't occur in the history of ever. maybe another rework, you might get that, but no vgu get's reverted lol, and most certainly not after it's made the money it has there would be lawsuits and those would cost more money than keeping these forums up where you can have your "revert" soapbox. you see?
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yeO9sbEI,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-28T00:19:38.789+0000) > > KDA skin means you don't get a revert, too much money spent on the current aesthetic by customers. > so tbh you're stuck with the current one, work with it instead of asking for a revert which won't occur in the history of ever. > maybe another rework, you might get that, but no vgu get's reverted lol, and most certainly not after it's made the money it has there would be lawsuits and those would cost more money than keeping these forums up where you can have your "revert" soapbox. > you see? then simply keep the the vgu. just change the ability animations to match the old abilities. wow that was easy to solve.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Heko The Man,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TU4tXWJ9,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T16:56:35.683+0000) > > Akali was basically AP version of Master Yi. She either falls behind and becomes totally useless or gets ahead and gets a penta. and thats healthy? k.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TU4tXWJ9,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T16:57:13.375+0000) > > and thats healthy? k. I'd say it is. Looks like high risk high reward to me. That also proves that old Akali took plenty of skill. You needed to be skillful with her to receive that high reward even if risky.
: Unbalancable Akali
I think revert is the best option
Sukishoo (NA)
: None of that made any sense lol, and you still know nothing about her. Her [Assassin Kit rework](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-622-notes) was in season 6, her tank builds were seen in season 6, her VGU then came came in season 8. Season 5 has nothing to do with this. Just stop. You're an awful troll.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T02:23:52.655+0000) > > None of that made any sense lol, and you still know nothing about her. Her [Assassin Kit rework](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-622-notes) was in season 6, her tank builds were seen in season 6, her VGU then came came in season 8. Season 5 has nothing to do with this. > > Just stop. You're an awful troll. Are you good? The reason Akali got changed TO the iteration with the shroud blink was because... In season 5 people were playing tank Akali and it was op as fuck. Yeah sure, tank akali was semi decent on s6 Akali and it used to be decent on this version too. However, tank akali was the most OP back in season 5 before it got nerfed. Clearly you have no knowledge of this.
: Should riot rework Akali?
I think best decision would be to revert
KazKaz (OCE)
: So these Akali changes.....
: Just nerf Akali pls.I'm sick of this champion.She has low wr because of bad players.NERF AKALI {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpfbos0dmzU
> [{quoted}](name=1stWiNTeR111,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=0038,timestamp=2019-06-23T22:19:28.297+0000) > > Just nerf Akali pls.I'm sick of this champion.She has low wr because of bad players.NERF AKALI {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpfbos0dmzU u want an 11th nerf
: Revert Akali. 10 Nerfs after rework = rework was a failure.
"Hexdrinker Picking a champ that can get away or get Akali off of themselves and deal damage to her so she'll back off Picking a champ to oppress her CS and XP intake in lane Picking a tanky champ that she doesn't do damage do (Malph and Maoki worked very well back then) I could go on." If you simply looked up at the post, you would see that I listed this out to someone. Like I said Ive said this to a lot of people. Please use your brain for a change before coming out at trying to roast someone. Lmao. Use your head for once.
Sukishoo (NA)
: It makes no difference. She's had issues since the beginning. It was because of her existence that we can only buy 5 potions max and many other things. Her current kit is here to stay, Riot will not revert it. Also, It was season 6, learn when these things happen. Proves you don't like her as much as you claim :)
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T01:06:20.771+0000) > > It makes no difference. She's had issues since the beginning. It was because of her existence that we can only buy 5 potions max and many other things. Her current kit is here to stay, Riot will not revert it. > > > Also, It was season 6, learn when these things happen. Proves you don't like her as much as you claim :) Sure the rework was in s6, but she was in that version in s7 too. I say s7 to differentiate it enough from s5. People will get confused because s5 and s6 r next to each other. s7 was more recent so they're more likely to remember her from then. Sorry that your miserably wrong :)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-20T21:19:05.419+0000) > > Yea, make her how broken she was before the rework Old Akali could 1 shot you like Diana, but what mage or assassin can't 1 shot someone nowadays? Old Akali was was quite balanced by todays standards, she was very easy to counter, and was easily shut down early. The current Akali's kit is just toxic, it will never be balanced, and no amount of power shifting will ever change that.
> [{quoted}](name=Iron Phantom,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-06-20T21:38:49.945+0000) > > Old Akali could 1 shot you like Diana, but what mage or assassin can't 1 shot someone nowadays? Old Akali was was quite balanced by todays standards, she was very easy to counter, and was easily shut down early. > > The current Akali's kit is just toxic, it will never be balanced, and no amount of power shifting will ever change that. Good point. Looking at what is in the game today... Old Akali would be more than balanced. Everything you said is complete fax
Xavanic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Iron Phantom,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-06-20T21:38:49.945+0000) > > Old Akali could 1 shot you like Diana, but what mage or assassin can't 1 shot someone nowadays? Old Akali was was quite balanced by todays standards, she was very easy to counter, and was easily shut down early. > > The current Akali's kit is just toxic, it will never be balanced, and no amount of power shifting will ever change that. Old akalis ult reset on every kill...while new akali can only 1 shot 1 person in a time span, old akali could one shot every squishy, i rather her stay as is
> [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-20T21:44:30.233+0000) > > Old akalis ult reset on every kill...while new akali can only 1 shot 1 person in a time span, old akali could one shot every squishy, i rather her stay as is clearly you don't know how to counterplay her. It was pretty easy
: If anything you're opinion is invalid since your biased. Also new akali 1:More counter play 2:Less burst 3:Takes much more skill 4:Isn't required to snowball to do well Like again old akali was unhealthy I have played both versions and I can easily say the current akali is the healthiest and fairest she has ever been.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-06-22T11:45:56.031+0000) > > If anything you're opinion is invalid since your biased. > Also new akali > 1:More counter play > 2:Less burst > 3:Takes much more skill > 4:Isn't required to snowball to do well > > Like again old akali was unhealthy I have played both versions and I can easily say the current akali is the healthiest and fairest she has ever been. Ill let your have number 2, and sort of number 3. Assassins are meant to burst hard, and this Akali isn't like that. She doesn't burst fast enough for someone to be donzo. So she makes her own class that isn't an assassin. So if you ask which version of Akali is more of an assassin, its the old Akali. Point number 3 is semi correct. She does have a lot of ways to show skill, but the old Akali had plenty of ways also. Showing skill on old Akali ranged from knowing how to preserve her ultimate stacks, and knowing when to use W, to knowing how to AA faster to proc her q as fast as possible. Aside from those ways, there were more. Point number 1, old Akali had plenty of counterplay, and I say this to everyone who thinks she didn't, you just had to know how to do it and be good at it. There was a large variety of champions to counterplay her, and items like hexdrinker. Point number 4, in the state Akali is in right now, you have to snow ball to do well. If you don't, you just get clapped in fights. Old Akali was perfectly healthy. You think current Akali is the healthiest she's ever been? Have you read patch notes? Seen how her pick rates, ban rates, and win rates have changed over the time of these constant nerfs? The way they've changed shows that she is not healthy. She's probably in her least healthiest stage. What you just said is honestly one of the most ridiculous things I've seen yet.
Sukishoo (NA)
: There was the tank Akali build and you didn't have to even have a clue on how to play her to dominate. So, no, old Akali had lots of issues and was very broken.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-22T13:31:43.865+0000) > > There was the tank Akali build and you didn't have to even have a clue on how to play her to dominate. So, no, old Akali had lots of issues and was very broken. Yeah but thats season 5 bud. This point is irrelevant because we are asking for a s7 revert. Not a season 5 revert. Use your head.
: > [{quoted}](name=DevilSlayerGray,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T21:31:39.046+0000) > > She wasnt even broken. people who knew what they were doing against her could shut her down early and make her irrelevant. and people who knew how to play her could play smart and dominate a game. i hope they revert her back to what she was. this "new" version sucks ass and is not fun to play. It's amazing how quickly people forgot how absolutely toxic it was playing against old akali Sure, not nearly as toxic as reworked akali, but still insanely toxic
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T21:35:56.575+0000) > > It's amazing how quickly people forgot how absolutely toxic it was playing against old akali > > Sure, not nearly as toxic as reworked akali, but still insanely toxic So then you prefer the old one... If you say the new one is more toxic then your on our side for reverting.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-20T21:19:05.419+0000) > > Yea, make her how broken she was before the rework She wasnt even broken. people who knew what they were doing against her could shut her down early and make her irrelevant. and people who knew how to play her could play smart and dominate a game. i hope they revert her back to what she was. this "new" version sucks ass and is not fun to play.
> [{quoted}](name=DevilSlayerGray,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUTWvTM7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T21:31:39.046+0000) > > She wasnt even broken. people who knew what they were doing against her could shut her down early and make her irrelevant. and people who knew how to play her could play smart and dominate a game. i hope they revert her back to what she was. this "new" version sucks ass and is not fun to play. Bro, its crazy how fax that is. I say that so much to these ignorant idiots on the boards, and they can't seem to get that through their head. They just don't want her back because they aren't good enough to shut her down in lane.
: To Anyone Asking for Akali to be reverted:
Also you should notice how your post is negative in votes so that says something
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > You wanted her reworked in the first place, it happened. Uhuh, it's almost like different people complained from different points of view. For example, i was strongly against her rework. Or any rework really. Don't generalize if you don't need to.
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5sNVJMKs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-18T04:52:04.058+0000) > > Uhuh, it's almost like different people complained from different points of view. > > For example, i was strongly against her rework. Or any rework really. Don't generalize if you don't need to. I can assure the author of this post that no Akali mains back then wanted a revert. None.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T04:45:43.123+0000) > > Hexdrinker > Picking a champ that can get away or get Akali off of themselves and deal damage to her so she'll back off > Picking a champ to oppress her CS and XP intake in lane > Picking a tanky champ that she doesn't do damage do (Malph and Maoki worked very well back then) > I could go on. Here, let me condense that for you, "have the stats to survive my level six or die."
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T07:11:07.903+0000) > > Here, let me condense that for you, "have the stats to survive my level six or die." You can say that for any mid lane champion. Literally any of them. I would give you examples of matchups where that happens, but it happens in all mid lane matchups. as you put it "have the stats to survive my level six or die".
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-22T20:59:44.233+0000) > > probably because you didn't remotely know how to counterpley the old one. Just gotta learn and there you go. Stubbornness won't help you win match-ups. What counterplay? Where was the counterplay to being point and clicked?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-22T23:58:53.986+0000) > > What counterplay? Where was the counterplay to being point and clicked? Hexdrinker Picking a champ that can get away or get Akali off of themselves and deal damage to her so she'll back off Picking a champ to oppress her CS and XP intake in lane Picking a tanky champ that she doesn't do damage do (Malph and Maoki worked very well back then) I could go on.
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=000800000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T22:00:09.640+0000) > > Too bad the graph only goes up to JANUARY of this year. Since then there has been constant nerfs. Based on that I can make the assumption that her play rate has gone down well below what it says. Looking at other stats on that website, I realize that there are many other things I should talk about as well. Like win rate. Her reworked win rate has not gone above her pre reworked win rate. Which says something about the champ in Solo q. What can be said is that the rework is a failure for Solo q. Looking at ban rate, her reworked ban rate is at Akali's all time high for ban rate (besides tank akali in season 5). Based on what I said earlier, about ban system, no one wants to play with or against this version of Akali because its heinous to play with and against. And obviously I can back that up with the graphs that you just showed me. If you just say that the graphs are outdated, thats irrelevant for win rate and ban rate because only thing that could've happened to win rate was that it went down (which is in favor of akali revert) and ban rate prob went down too because her play rate went down. > > So before sending me outdated graphs WHILE talking about a stat that obviously went down after constant nerfs, you should probably think twice. WHY ARE YOU LYING? jan is at 6% then it goes down to around 4% LIKE WTF do you know how to read? STOP TALKING IF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AKALI OR LEAGUE since winrate means nothing and if you think it does then STOP TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING WITH STATS since don't know what that means, you give 0 proof since you are lying. Like more people play akali, riot can change her without breaking her unlike the old one, she takes skill unlike the old one. Like just deal the with fact the Akali is better then before.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=0008000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T22:10:11.059+0000) > > WHY ARE YOU LYING? jan is at 6% then it goes down to around 4% LIKE WTF do you know how to read? > > STOP TALKING IF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AKALI OR LEAGUE since winrate means nothing and if you think it does then STOP TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING WITH STATS since don't know what that means, you give 0 proof since you are lying. > > Like more people play akali, riot can change her without breaking her unlike the old one, she takes skill unlike the old one. Like just deal the with fact the Akali is better then before. Ill admit I did not see that the graph goes from June to July. You can still obviously see that the play rate is declining, no matter the number its at. Win rate does matter actually. Yes sometimes it doesn't because its all about who is playing the champion, that decides if that champ will win or not. But to a point it seriously does matter. It comes down to the point at which it really does matter. Obviously if a champion gets nerfed to hell (like current akali) its win rate will go down. Because the champion is worse. No matter who is playing the champ, it will be harder for them to do well and carry games. Win rate tells us if the champion is in a good state or not. Cmon dude seriously use your head. Its beyond simple. So easy to understand, yet you still come out here and tell ME I don't know what I'm talking about. Lmao. And uh, tf are you saying I gave no proof. I legit talked about the stats of Akali, which are on the website YOU linked. Again. Beyond simple to understand. Use your brain.
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T21:08:59.347+0000) > > Lol. No. Pick or ban does decide whether it was a good rework or not. She can be banned by people because they don't want someone inting as her on their team, or someone dominating on the other team. If this is always something you have to worry about then its not a good rework. If every champion was in a good state, that was fair, and no one had to worry about someone inting or dominating too hard on them, a banning system would not be needed. Thats why pick or ban DOES decide whether a rework is good or not. Looking at the Pick part of pick or ban, currently Akali is at one of her all time lowest pick rates because she is ass right now. Riot can't manage to put akali into a fair good state. Are you trolling? Or you just have 0 clue wtf you're talking about? Like you have 0 proof what you said about the ban system is nothing more then a opinion and you actually don't know why league has a been system like since if everything was balanced there would be a ban system. Also "currently Akali is at one of her all time lowest pick rates" that's just bs akali has 4% playrate in silver compared to her average before the rework was 2% and the higher elo you go up it just shows that more people play her vs the old one. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/akali/middle/silver Guy stop being biased or stop talking about shit you don't know please.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=00080000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T21:38:19.840+0000) > > Are you trolling? Or you just have 0 clue wtf you're talking about? > Like you have 0 proof what you said about the ban system is nothing more then a opinion and you actually don't know why league has a been system like since if everything was balanced there would be a ban system. > > > Also "currently Akali is at one of her all time lowest pick rates" that's just bs akali has 4% playrate in silver compared to her average before the rework was 2% and the higher elo you go up it just shows that more people play her vs the old one. > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/akali/middle/silver > > Guy stop being biased or stop talking about shit > you don't know please. Too bad the graph only goes up to JANUARY of this year. Since then there has been constant nerfs. Based on that I can make the assumption that her play rate has gone down well below what it says. Looking at other stats on that website, I realize that there are many other things I should talk about as well. Like win rate. Her reworked win rate has not gone above her pre reworked win rate. Which says something about the champ in Solo q. What can be said is that the rework is a failure for Solo q. Looking at ban rate, her reworked ban rate is at Akali's all time high for ban rate (besides tank akali in season 5). Based on what I said earlier, about ban system, no one wants to play with or against this version of Akali because its heinous to play with and against. And obviously I can back that up with the graphs that you just showed me. If you just say that the graphs are outdated, thats irrelevant for win rate and ban rate because only thing that could've happened to win rate was that it went down (which is in favor of akali revert) and ban rate prob went down too because her play rate went down. So before sending me outdated graphs WHILE talking about a stat that obviously went down after constant nerfs, you should probably think twice.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=0007000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T21:13:39.099+0000) > > My first account was acc perm banned for toxicity, I played in season five. Are you talking about Akali from season 5 or season 7? There is a pre-rework from s6/7 and a pre-pre-rework from season 5 and before (pre-pre-rework=OG version when shroud didn't give her a blink ------ pre-rework version is with shroud with blink). fuck no I'm talking about the era where akali was actually a competitive pick and if you think that at that time people didn't complain about her garbage designed kit then you didn't play at that time
> [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=00070002000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T21:35:08.895+0000) > > fuck no > > I'm talking about the era where akali was actually a competitive pick > > and if you think that at that time people didn't complain about her garbage designed kit then you didn't play at that time Still didn't answer my question lmao. So ill ask it more simply because you didn't seem to get it the first time. Are you talking about season 7 or season 5 Akali? Because there is a HUGE difference in when complaints were happening. Clarify yourself please.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Revert AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=00070002,timestamp=2019-06-22T21:00:38.522+0000) > > Its true, no one was spamming "REWORK AKALI" posts on the boards. Look now though. I look every single day and there is another "REVERT AKALI" post. ok I'm' kinda done of people like you no offense, but your opgg shows that you play since season 6, is this your smurf or? informe yourself on old akali, research threads from the old forum and you would understand the piece of cancer that she was before riot broke her knees
> [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=000700020000,timestamp=2019-06-22T21:08:53.847+0000) > > ok I'm' kinda done of people like you > > no offense, but your opgg shows that you play since season 6, is this your smurf or? > > informe yourself on old akali, research threads from the old forum and you would understand the piece of cancer that she was before riot broke her knees My first account was acc perm banned for toxicity, I played in season five. Are you talking about Akali from season 5 or season 7? There is a pre-rework from s6/7 and a pre-pre-rework from season 5 and before (pre-pre-rework=OG version when shroud didn't give her a blink ------ pre-rework version is with shroud with blink).
: No one complained because she was in the same state as now. Nerfed to shit because she was a failure of a champion
> [{quoted}](name=TheSingularity,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-06-21T12:11:28.087+0000) > > No one complained because she was in the same state as now. > Nerfed to shit because she was a failure of a champion Old akali was not nerfed to shit actually. She was left alone because she was in a good state, therefore no one complained about her. Check patch notes. If she was nerfed to shit then she would have been complained about bc she would've been so bad.
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