k wìx (NA)
: I think most platinum+ players know this. Ivern isn't played that often, and while his winrate is bonkers, he never really feels oppressive. His kit is subtle. chill. smooooth. On the otherhand, Lee and Yasuo are probably the most popular 2 champions in the game. They also feel oppressive and potent, especially if they can farm a bad player. It's pretty obvious why they get so much hate when you consider the kits and popularity.
> [{quoted}](name=k wìx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mYgVOnvE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-22T20:44:30.710+0000) > > I think most platinum+ players know this. > > Ivern isn't played that often, and while his winrate is bonkers, he never really feels oppressive. His kit is subtle. chill. smooooth. > > On the otherhand, Lee and Yasuo are probably the most popular 2 champions in the game. They also feel oppressive and potent, especially if they can farm a bad player. > > It's pretty obvious why they get so much hate when you consider the kits and popularity. Ivern isnt oppressive to play against? Have you ever played against him? As a jungler? As any melee champion?
Rioter Comments
: Is grounded ever gonna get used again?
Hope not, its an awful mechanic, you can see how obnoxious is to play against cass.
: adc items are all get buffed and all armor items get hp value nerfs this "tank uptade" is a huge nerf to tanks lol...
> [{quoted}](name=VoliStormRage,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7l5NVqhZ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-04-22T01:28:20.414+0000) > > adc items are all get buffed > > and all armor items get hp value nerfs > > this "tank uptade" is a huge nerf to tanks lol... Tank items are changing 75 hp for 10 armor, basically the same thing. Meanwhile all AD pen items are getting gutted, yeah what a tank nerf lmao.
: Couldn't you make Jinx's W damage scale up with enemy bonus health?
Dont bother, ppl on this forum think jinx is some hidden broken op pick or something, while she has been tied with tristana for the worst adc in the game spot. She would be viable with the crit buff but riot reverted it cause of idiots crying about a pbe game.
Rioter Comments
: Xayah is not as good as Rakan in my opinion
They both seem really good. Rakan kit seems pretty broken but it might be somewhat balanced by the fact its a melee kit for a squishy support.
Pauun (NA)
: Gunblade Lichbane Leblanc; how do i counter as ADC
: Lulu isn't broken, she's just favored in this meta due to her polymorph being extremely useful against all the assassins and divers.
> [{quoted}](name=mrlittleman5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MEatlO85,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-19T03:14:11.991+0000) > > Lulu isn't broken, she's just favored in this meta due to her polymorph being extremely useful against all the assassins and divers. Nice try, ppl are barely playing assassins anymore, lethality is bad right now, this is patch 7.8 not 7.4 And point and click ranged CC that lasts 2.5s is good against EVERYTHING.
: Lulu is not being Perma banned i NEVER see Lulu nor Ivern Perma banned.
> [{quoted}](name=Annie X Lulu OTP,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MEatlO85,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-19T03:08:11.149+0000) > > Lulu is not being Perma banned i NEVER see Lulu nor Ivern Perma banned. Thats because you're silver. In silver ppl dont ban the broken champions, they ban yasuo darius and whatever killed them last game.
Rioter Comments
Penns (EUW)
: Could someone tell me why GP has a "bad laning phase"?
His lane is not strong, but its not weak either. In fact its probably too strong for his scaling, like if he wants he can stay at his tower and spam barrels, its pretty much uninteractive lane.
Thr34t (NA)
: Hey laner, if you think a loss is due to your jungler then you aren't playing to carry your own games, you are looking to just get carried. If you don't get carried to the rank you think you deserve by your jungler don't bitch about it, we will just laugh at you. Fun fact: As a laner you can 100% win your lane and game without your jungler holding your hand. High elo players show this all the time on stream, so obviously it is possible, why can't you do it?
> [{quoted}](name=Thr34t,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ezcp48FG,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-18T00:57:12.187+0000) > > Hey laner, if you think a loss is due to your jungler then you aren't playing to carry your own games, you are looking to just get carried. If you don't get carried to the rank you think you deserve by your jungler don't bitch about it, we will just laugh at you. > > Fun fact: As a laner you can 100% win your lane and game without your jungler holding your hand. High elo players show this all the time on stream, so obviously it is possible, why can't you do it? The same could be said about the jungler. A jungler that picks lee sin to power farm for 15 minutes is literally begging to get carried, even worse if the other jungler is actually doing something on the map, which is going to get every lane behind and potentially lose you the game but you gonna be like "oh its not my fault my laners suck" while being 0/0/0 17 mins in.
: Having a 220+ damage nuke when you buy the item that slows while getting some nice spell vamp from all sources of damage you deal is pretty strong. Let's also make it a fairly short cooldown of 40 seconds for an item.
> [{quoted}](name=PPPPPPPPPPPP270,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=zdMILIib,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-17T02:03:05.493+0000) > > Having a 220+ damage nuke when you buy the item that slows while getting some nice spell vamp from all sources of damage you deal is pretty strong. Let's also make it a fairly short cooldown of 40 seconds for an item. Pretty much this. Basically you point and click the active and it nukes your target + heavy slow makes the rest of your kit basically point and click aswell, its pretty much overpowered when used on squishies.
: Hmm, it's time to get tier 2 boots...
"its just the meta tabi is not overpowered" is still worth the buy vs 4 ap comps as long as they have 1 adc. xd
hallfro (NA)
: It sort of works, I just tried it in practice tool to make sure. You can E1-wait-Flash (right before you land) and land somewhere else, but you can't E1-E2-Flash (right before you land) and land somewhere else. Not sure if you could do this before (I don't play much Fizz) but interesting nonetheless.
> [{quoted}](name=hallfro,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mM1QIaBI,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-04-17T05:25:06.119+0000) > > It sort of works, I just tried it in practice tool to make sure. > > You can E1-wait-Flash (right before you land) and land somewhere else, but you can't E1-E2-Flash (right before you land) and land somewhere else. Not sure if you could do this before (I don't play much Fizz) but interesting nonetheless. You could never do the second one, just the first. E flash > you land at the end of the flash. Seems like OP was just doing it wrong cause it still works for me.
: And because of that, we disregard all notions of PRESENT balance? ... Me: "Your heartbeat is irregular today, I think you need medical attention." ... You: "Nah, my heart has only been beating properly FOR A STRAIGHT YEAR IN THE PAST TWO YEARS AGO." ... Me: "I'm going to have to report you for not paying your taxes this year." You: "Shut your mouth boy. I've been paying my taxes for the last year and the year before for TWO YEARS STRAIGHT." Me: "But this year... like RIGHT NOW this year you have not-" You: "I been paying the year before so stop looking." ... Me: "You failed the exam. I'm sorry you have to rewrite." You: "IMPOSSIBLE. I passed the exam last year and the one before that so..."
> [{quoted}](name=Vlad Maine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2jEF5fP5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-17T03:31:55.290+0000) > > And because of that, we disregard all notions of PRESENT balance? > > ... > > Me: "Your heartbeat is irregular today, I think you need medical attention." ... > > You: "Nah, my heart has only been beating properly FOR A STRAIGHT YEAR IN THE PAST TWO YEARS AGO." > > ... > > Me: "I'm going to have to report you for not paying your taxes this year." > > You: "Shut your mouth boy. I've been paying my taxes for the last year and the year before for TWO YEARS STRAIGHT." > > Me: "But this year... like RIGHT NOW this year you have not-" > > You: "I been paying the year before so stop looking." > > ... > > Me: "You failed the exam. I'm sorry you have to rewrite." > > You: "IMPOSSIBLE. I passed the exam last year and the one before that so..." The thing is, viktor isnt bad now. He isnt underpowered, hes just balanced, and that doesnt mean he needs buffs to go straight back into pick or ban tier.
: Is Viktor the Forgotten Champion?
Poor viktor only dominated solo q / competitive play for over a year straight.
: so a support playing support should not beat a support playing apc which is unviable for a few reasons because she wont have a gold income
> [{quoted}](name=fallenreaper88,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w54uGHEO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-17T01:19:50.461+0000) > > so a support playing support should not beat a support playing apc which is unviable for a few reasons because she wont have a gold income Its not a support beating a support, its a support auto winning the game because riot cant balance their item system. Building defensive/peel items like locket should be OPTIONAL, there should be MULTIPLE VIABLE BUILD PATHS (supports should be able to go tanky, damage ap, peel, etc), you shouldnt auto lose the game because you dont have a peel support building those broken items, why do u think even brand and zyra goes redemption/locket on lcs? Because you can only beat those 2 items in team fights by building them yourself. This is not even exclusive to supports either. Nomicon being overpowered on mids/mages, black cleaver breaking pretty much any champion that is AD/juggernaut and even asssassins, etc, how can there be any build variety when riot keeps releasing those blatant overpowered items and they just completely ignore them? Riot should really get a non silver team to balance their game.
Rioter Comments
: Hey top laners, wanna know a secret?
Lmao. Fiora has a better early game AND dueling compared to kayle. The good old silver advice thread.
: You can CC' yi
That yi played like garbage.
: Please just fucking nerf lucian
: > [{quoted}](name=DarkRitual,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1Qnu5l2O,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-04-15T21:43:35.842+0000) > > She's not really OP. > She's just really strong in the current meta. > The Midseason changes will likely lower her p/b rates pretty good. Either way, I think waiting to see what impact that has before making significant changes. It's not just meta lol
> [{quoted}](name=A Dizzy Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1Qnu5l2O,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-04-15T22:26:20.572+0000) > > It's not just meta lol They got to be trolling at this point...
Fizzfood (NA)
: 4 tanks, nothing we can do
To be honest tanks are broken. The more tanks you get on your team the more chances you have to win, not even vayne can get through 4 tanks before her team dies unless she also has another 3~4 tanks on her team.
: Their response is probably going to be the same as what they gave for {{item:3047}}, her strength is due to the current meta of trying to dump damage on someone as quickly as you can and Lulu doesn't let you do that.
> [{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1Qnu5l2O,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-04-15T17:24:51.191+0000) > > Their response is probably going to be the same as what they gave for {{item:3047}}, her strength is due to the current meta of trying to dump damage on someone as quickly as you can and Lulu doesn't let you do that. Which is completely bullshit, both tabi and lulu are broken. its not just the meta when lulu is picked into any team comp/blind first picked if not banned and it is also not just the meta when ppl build tabis against teams with 3 and 4 aps (because tabi is so broken against adcs that its worth it), hell even mages build that thing nowdays if they are against more than 1 ad champion on the other team.
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Look, I would much rather lane against lulu than a zyra or brand.
> [{quoted}](name=Dasdi96,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1Qnu5l2O,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-15T15:07:04.968+0000) > > Look, I would much rather lane against lulu than a zyra or brand. Zyra is complete cancer to play against in lane but idk, atleast those are not very good at protecting adcs so their adcs are usually vulnerable after lane. Lulu bullies in lane and scales into one of the strongest champs late game, press W/E/R on whoever on your team is fed, build locket/redemption and auto win the game, they have a fed melee champion/assassin? Not anymore as you can make them useless for straight 5 seconds with poly + exhaust lmao, it makes a 20-0 riven look like a minion.
Rioter Comments
Penns (EUW)
: "Passively applies Frost.." "Once a target’s reached max stacks, Sejuani can point-and-click stun.."
"we are going to increase tanks counterplay" "here have a point and click hard CC" LUL
: I contend that tabis are constantly purchased for various reasons yet...
Tabi is also overpowered, so even if they have a single AD its worth it. Its more than 100% cost effective without the passive, and thats just fucked up. Tabi should not be a good item against ad casters or assassins but it is because of that, its good against AD anything, the thing about mercs is that it is not worth it just for the MR alone like Tabi is for the armor, and thats the problem. So it isnt mercs being weak, its tabi being overpowered.
: Ivern's Winrate goes up, nerfs get reverted. Wat.
Hes a support, and meddler plays support so those are never going to get nerfed. Hence why Lulu pick/ban rate is also massively increasing with every day yet shes completely ignored, same with the broken support items (redemption/locket).
: @Riot: After you've fixed the Xerath exploit, could you do one more thing?
Maybe you should actually play xerath "properly" then kappa. Besides xerath has always been the go-to champion to script, so i magine its hard already to get S.
: Considering there is a Trynd main, an Annie main, a Pantheon main, etc, that doesn't mean much. That said, who exactly is a Morde main in challenger, and why do you know this?
> [{quoted}](name=TheHappyReaperz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NXT7IX8L,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2017-04-14T03:49:16.909+0000) > > Considering there is a Trynd main, an Annie main, a Pantheon main, etc, that doesn't mean much. That said, who exactly is a Morde main in challenger, and why do you know this? You know you're just proving my point now right? None of those champs you cited are in a "bad" state, in fact ignite pantheon is one of the best champs to climb solo q as top lane. The morde main is a friend of mine, unsure if hes at challenger currently or masters but he has been challenger multiple times with just morde.
: Maybe I doubt it though, especially if you compare it to PBE death's dance 80 AD vs 40 AD and 80 AP, 80 AP roughly = 40 AD, not exactly so that's comparable 15% heal on everything is the same as 15% physical only heal if all you deal is phys damage That leaves the passive of DD vs active of gunblade, and imo the passive of DD >>>> gunblade active Even if it is, I think what they should do is adjust the stats AD to 50 AP down to 60 since 10 AD roughly = 20 AP
> [{quoted}](name=FalconPawwwwnch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B5QOwXl7,comment-id=00170000,timestamp=2017-04-14T03:49:39.542+0000) > > Maybe > > I doubt it though, especially if you compare it to PBE death's dance > > 80 AD vs 40 AD and 80 AP, 80 AP roughly = 40 AD, not exactly so that's comparable > 15% heal on everything is the same as 15% physical only heal if all you deal is phys damage > That leaves the passive of DD vs active of gunblade, and imo the passive of DD >>>> gunblade active > > Even if it is, I think what they should do is adjust the stats > AD to 50 AP down to 60 since 10 AD roughly = 20 AP The problem with gunblade is the active. AP assassins are using it as a pseudo dfg, its just too strong when used on squishies, its a point and click heavy slow with a very good base damage and decent scaling, its also what makes kat broken.
: Morde may not be under-powered, but that doesn't mean he is functional. And that, is the problem.
> [{quoted}](name=TheHappyReaperz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NXT7IX8L,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-04-14T03:41:26.151+0000) > > Morde may not be under-powered, but that doesn't mean he is functional. And that, is the problem. If he wasant functional there wouldnt be morde mains in challanger.
: Can we stop pretending mordekaiser is underpowered
We know that, its just 2 or 3 morde mains trying to brainwash ppl into thinking morde is like the worst champion in the game.
Greyrick (NA)
: Anti-lifesteal Item?
Lifesteal is countered by armor (since its healing by damage dealt) already. And tanks are NOT supposed to BEAT LATE GAME ADCS with lifesteal, got it?
: Can we not nerf Gunblade because of Leblanc
Gunblade is kind of broken though, and its not just on LB.
: Bullshit His win rate is the highest in the game by far and hovers anywhere from 55-58% That's fucking absurd If legit any other class had stats that ridiculous across all servers they'd be nerfed immediately
> [{quoted}](name=FalconPawwwwnch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xJjwt06M,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-04-13T01:55:44.746+0000) > > Bullshit > > His win rate is the highest in the game by far and hovers anywhere from 55-58% > > That's fucking absurd > > If legit any other class had stats that ridiculous across all servers they'd be nerfed immediately Hes a support, so hes allowed to be massively overpowered (along with lulu, redemption and locket). "its just the meta l2p xd"
Eedat (NA)
: Lulu is at 85% Pick/Ban rate
"its just the mewta xd"
Rioter Comments
Kilanost (NA)
: The "glass cannon" classes shouldn't be 1v1ing tanks without a front line and peel. Tanks are hardly spoiled. We've been keeping our mouths shut about the ridiculous interactions between the armor pen stats and lethality and the sheer amount of ways champions can bypass our defenses (%health items, defense reduction, true damage, etc). You need to reevaluate your idea of how this game is played. ADCs get a dedicated support because they are literally not supposed to be able to 1v1 anyone except other ADCs. Their job is to dps from the safety of the back line. In that context, and ONLY IN THAT CONTEXT, are adcs meant to counter tanks.
> [{quoted}](name=Kilanost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sEecJiEX,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-12T01:40:50.123+0000) > > The "glass cannon" classes shouldn't be 1v1ing tanks without a front line and peel. Tanks are hardly spoiled. We've been keeping our mouths shut about the ridiculous interactions between the armor pen stats and lethality and the sheer amount of ways champions can bypass our defenses (%health items, defense reduction, true damage, etc). > > You need to reevaluate your idea of how this game is played. ADCs get a dedicated support because they are literally not supposed to be able to 1v1 anyone except other ADCs. Their job is to dps from the safety of the back line. In that context, and ONLY IN THAT CONTEXT, are adcs meant to counter tanks. Lethality is. bad. against. tanks I can tell you have absolutely no clue about how the game works, but then again this is not surprising.
: On PBE Thornmail now builds into Randuin's
Basically they are trying their hardest to make tanks broken, again.
Kilanost (NA)
: Again, you are not thinking correctly. Tanks are only supposed to be countered by ADCs in the context of a team fight. The fact that an adc can build lifesteal and solo kill a tank in a few seconds is not what was intended. Tanks are walking bloodbags for lifesteal champions. The idea is not invinciblity, it is achieving the objective of the role which is engage, survive, and disrupt. You can't disrupt an adc who can just sit there and face tank you because of lifesteal.
> [{quoted}](name=Kilanost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sEecJiEX,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-04-12T01:24:28.988+0000) > > Again, you are not thinking correctly. > > Tanks are only supposed to be countered by ADCs in the context of a team fight. The fact that an adc can build lifesteal and solo kill a tank in a few seconds is not what was intended. Tanks are walking bloodbags for lifesteal champions. > > The idea is not invinciblity, it is achieving the objective of the role which is engage, survive, and disrupt. You can't disrupt an adc who can just sit there and face tank you because of lifesteal. Tanks are not supposed to be 1v1ing damage class after mid game. Tanks are suppsed to be terrible at dueling due to their team fight strenght (like supports), but this is what happens when tank mains get spoiled, they think the insanely ovepowered poppy we had couple months ago was the "norm" for tank champs.
: Master Yi has 51% win rate and 11% pick rate in plat+
The fact is, lower elos players (aka 99% of boards) for some reason would rather get stat checked by a point and click champion like yi than being outplayed by someone like yasuo or riven. Not sure why are they are allergic to champs who actually have gameplay on them rather than a tank or yi outstating you and clicking you to death.
Rioter Comments
Kilanost (NA)
: You need to use your brain. GA was made more attractive earlier for every class except AP and tanks. This includes ADCs who fall behind or are worrying about assassins. Those thornmail changes suck and when you upgrade it you lose the thornmail passive which was the ONLY counterplay available to tanks for lifesteal. Tanks are getting slaughtered across the board on PBE right now. They just gave most AD items more AD. They increased the lord dom's dragonslayer passive. Who is getting nerfed in this update exactly? Answer: Not ADCs.
> [{quoted}](name=Kilanost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sEecJiEX,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-04-12T00:53:05.995+0000) > > You need to use your brain. > > GA was made more attractive earlier for every class except AP and tanks. This includes ADCs who fall behind or are worrying about assassins. > > Those thornmail changes suck and when you upgrade it you lose the thornmail passive which was the ONLY counterplay available to tanks for lifesteal. > > Tanks are getting slaughtered across the board on PBE right now. They just gave most AD items more AD. They increased the lord dom's dragonslayer passive. > > Who is getting nerfed in this update exactly? Answer: Not ADCs. Tanks are supposed to be countered by lifesteal and adcs you dofus. No tanks are NOT supposed to be invincible to every class in the game by building cheap items.
: Some Interesting Tank Item Changes on the PBE
This is fucking cancer holy shit riot. There is a reason thornmail should not be a viable item.
woobeee (NA)
: Remember when Ziggs botlane was introduced?
Mages should get the fuck out of bot lane. Ziggs adc was awful to play against.
: dfg dealt 20% of your max hp you can build hp against gunblade, in fact you should. None of them will have enough damage to kill you if you do. against a dfg assassin, even if you are adc just get {{item:3083}} or {{item:3026}}
> [{quoted}](name=ScissorsNstuff,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=npNRquRi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-11T04:12:34.057+0000) > > dfg dealt 20% of your max hp > > you can build hp against gunblade, in fact you should. None of them will have enough damage to kill you if you do. > > against a dfg assassin, even if you are adc just get {{item:3083}} or {{item:3026}} You're telling me to build warmogs as an adc. I think i'll just rest my case here.
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