: Top lane Ornn got murdered hard this patch
Welcome to how crit adcs have been for the last over 10 patches. And nothing has been done about it yet, get behind the waiting line.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rexxiee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5O8twuJ,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-10T02:28:39.149+0000) > > Man im sorry but you must suck at last hitting lol. > > Also im talking about JUNGLE nasus. he's asking for proof, like a screenshot at 10 mins of his stacks
> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5O8twuJ,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-10T03:00:05.902+0000) > > he's asking for proof, like a screenshot at 10 mins of his stacks How about literally go play the game and you'll see it yourself? I guess not in bronze/silver because there ppl cant even last hit half of the time but still.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rexxiee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5O8twuJ,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-01-10T02:18:39.061+0000) > > Have you played in this patch yet? > > His stacking is hitting critial mass way too easily right now. My numbers come from this patch I went into practice mode for 10 mins and the maximum stacks nasus can get from minions is around 200 if you stack every time your q is up also I have played nasus this patch in a normal game and my stacks were around 160 at mins and I was fed. So again why are you lying?
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5O8twuJ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-01-10T02:25:35.613+0000) > > My numbers come from this patch I went into practice mode for 10 mins and the maximum stacks nasus can get from minions is around 200 if you stack every time your q is up also I have played nasus this patch in a normal game and my stacks were around 160 at mins and I was fed. So again why are you lying? Man im sorry but you must suck at last hitting lol. Also im talking about JUNGLE nasus.
: Idk i just lost a game where top mid and jungle played great but bot lane fed hard to an ezreal and he hard carried
> [{quoted}](name=Bretonnian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Etxev2iQ,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2019-01-10T02:21:10.590+0000) > > Idk i just lost a game where top mid and jungle played great but bot lane fed hard to an ezreal and he hard carried I doubt your team played great in that case. The only times adcs can carry a game in their current state is when every other lane/position is going even and is not doing a lot.
: You are lying you get about 200 stacks if you stack every time you have q up so no he did not have 300 stacks especially if he was losing. So why are you lying?
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5O8twuJ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-01-10T02:16:07.526+0000) > > You are lying you get about 200 stacks if you stack every time you have q up so no he did not have 300 stacks especially if he was losing. So why are you lying? Have you played in this patch yet? His stacking is hitting critial mass way too easily right now, ive also had a jungle nasus on my team who was 1-3-0 hit 550 stacks 20 minutes in, at that point he finished one item and started to kill everyone. This is completely absurd.
: Simple answer? Other damage spikes on other types of champs generally have a gradual increase in damage. Adcs and the Crit pathing generally receive a damage DOUBLING, which opponents are unprepared for.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Etxev2iQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-10T02:13:52.909+0000) > > Simple answer? Other damage spikes on other types of champs generally have a gradual increase in damage. Adcs and the Crit pathing generally receive a damage DOUBLING, which opponents are unprepared for. Gradual increase of damage {{champion:39}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:164}} + {{item:3078}} GRADUAL INCREASE OF DAMAGE {{champion:7}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:127}} + {{item:3285}} Man you guys are funny! Seriously though, other classes get a stronger and earlier power spike, adcs are just a joke.
Rexxiee (NA)
: Ive just seen a feeding nasus have 300 stacks by 10 minutes
Game ended 28 mins in with him having over 800 stacks, he just started killing everyone out of nowhere after going 0-4-0 in lane. Fun stuff riot, good buffs, very fun when im getting flashed Q for 80% of my total health bar.
Rioter Comments
: This is it for Galio nerfs?
Hes going to need way more nerfs than that. While aftershock + full ap is a thing hes gonna need to be hammered down.
: Sylas E has a 10 second cooldown, 6 if he gets maximum CDR. His other dash is on a 14-12 second cooldown.
> [{quoted}](name=Rathar Dashing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZHNJ5wEm,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2019-01-10T01:10:34.431+0000) > > Sylas E has a 10 second cooldown, 6 if he gets maximum CDR. His other dash is on a 14-12 second cooldown. I too wish riven could have a 500 base healing that did damage ON TOP of her shield and dash whenver she pressed her E. New champs are ridiculous and the power creep is out of this world.
: Why does it feel so bad losing to a fed adc
I dont know what game you're playing where you actually lose to an "fed adc". A fed top/mid/jungler/anything > fed adc. Adcs are free 300g bags for the other roles right now, a 10-0 jinx will get destroyed any time of the day by a 0-1 irelia as soon a she completes trinity force.
KnifeCat (OCE)
: Sylas might be the biggest balance nightmare in the history of League
That champ is basically ap riven on steroids. God bless those new ridiculous designs, i guess riot has 0 quality control nowdays since almost every new release breaks the game fundamentally.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: What the fuck are those neeko buffs
New champ probably isnt selling very well, hence the completely unecessary buffs.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rexxiee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-01-09T20:26:45.113+0000) > > You mean that brand who is just 1 shotting the other bot lane? > > Enchanters havent been meta or good for over an year, adc has nobody to protect them anymore, so they are food for everything, including the "support" mages. Nope that isn't what I mean. Those aren't supports, thats a kill lane. When I say support, I'm talking about actual supports, like Leona, Braum, Blitz, Thresh, Alistar, Bard. So yes, there is in fact a whole class that is basically dedicated to babysitting you in lane. It exists.
> [{quoted}](name=MarkedOfKane,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-01-09T20:32:28.860+0000) > > Nope that isn't what I mean. Those aren't supports, thats a kill lane. When I say support, I'm talking about actual supports, not Leona, Braum, Blitz, Thresh, Alistar, Bard. > So yes, there is in fact a whole class that is basically dedicated to babysitting you in lane. It exists. Does it matter that is "exists" if nobody plays them anymore? Ppl are playing mages over adcs and enchanters in high elo.
: ADCs literally have an entire other class which is played by another player whos job it is to baby them for a good chunk of the game.
> [{quoted}](name=MarkedOfKane,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-09T20:16:29.469+0000) > > ADCs literally have an entire other class which is played by another player whos job it is to baby them for a good chunk of the game. You mean that brand who is just 1 shotting the other bot lane? Enchanters havent been meta or good for over an year, adc has nobody to protect them anymore, so they are food for everything, including the "support" mages.
Moody P (NA)
: Nerfing the rune that saved league from the tank menace smh
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B0ftndEj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-08T15:00:58.835+0000) > > Nerfing the rune that saved league from the tank menace smh What? You dont like grasp poppy doing 50% of your health in a trade while taking no damage?
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Conqueror nerf, Chilling smite + challenging smite, and ignite nerf announced
They need to remove empowered smites. Junglers get to impact the whole map in the early game, they do not need their objective control spell to double down as a combat spell, its too strong.
: "marksmen items are expensive"
Trinity force irelia beats any adc with boots 2 stormrazor and rfc. 3700 gold beats over 6k gold. Not gonna talk about that one huh?
Rexxiee (NA)
: Hashinshin on how to fix mage items
Riot about to nerf mages in 9.2 and flat mpen, turns out hashinshin was right, told you so boards, hope they dont forget to nerf ludens and void staff though.
Dynikus (NA)
: >Hashinshin on balance no thanks
> [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fca9sF7p,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-07T23:30:42.591+0000) > > no thanks https://imgur.com/a/GSpGku4
Rioter Comments
: Am I just unlucky or does the bottom lane feed in over 80% of lower elo games?
Because bot is the worst position in the game right now, so in turn nobody wants to play/main it so your bot laners will be auto fills more often than not. You guys asked for it, now enjoy.
Farkinob (NA)
: It's ridiculous how bottom ADC is garbage.
saltran (EUW)
: I think that Graves rework was better since he has a brand new mechanic on how his aa's work and his gameplay it's more like an agressive ad jungler that needs to go melee do deal his max potential dmg. But Quinn is just an adc balanced around bullying melee's on a solo lane by the cost of be being way worse on botlane, a big mistake imo.
> [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnZ46FWa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-22T14:01:06.824+0000) > > I think that Graves rework was better since he has a brand new mechanic on how his aa's work and his gameplay it's more like an agressive ad jungler that needs to go melee do deal his max potential dmg. > > But Quinn is just an adc balanced around bullying melee's on a solo lane by the cost of be being way worse on botlane, a big mistake imo. Graves has literally never been balanced as a jungler though, i would say the rework has been a failure. Like hes still broken atm, old graves was a more balanced champ and was more enjoyable.
: is zyra broken?
Both zyra and brand are broken and need to leave bot lane.
: Mage Supports
Mage supports need to get the fk out of bot lane and go back to mid.
: Which role ruins the game the most by popular vote?
: This explains the justifications - but not why it started. Here is a little story about boards: It was in season 7 when 10-12 Morde mains pretty much ruled the boards. A lot of them would play with each other (you could see in their match histories) - and many had multiple accounts. Think about it, when did you see a Morde in your games in season 7? Well if you were on boards you would think that Mordekaiser is the most popular champion in the game. This meant that opinions on boards would be heavily skewed - and since a lot of these Morde players were playing bot lane, they would be super anti-adc. And it only really takes 5-6 votes people to completely skew the boards opinion (since the community is so small). The hate of ADCs didn't just happen after 7.9 changes, they were super against buffing ADs even during the "ADC in 2k17" meta. They bitched and complained about the ONLY GOOD AD in Jhin because he had a high pick rate and decent (51-52%) win rate. Pretty much any anti-adc thread would get upvoted to the front. This drove most ADC mains away from the boards (just calling someone "a shit ADC main" would garner a lot of upvotes, and you would get downvoted for just being an ADC main). Perpetuated circlejerk to unreal levels against ADCs. After 8.11 changes came to PBE people on boards said it's not enough and it wasn't a big enough nerf (some claimed it was actually a buff). Yes, that's how deluded people got here. Only after 8.11 changes did ADC players really start coming back to the boards, but the remenents of the super anti-adc circlejerk still remain. You will not find this on Twitter, Reddit, Youtube etc. Only on boards.
> [{quoted}](name=Disembark,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2lOpt8s4,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-01-04T13:30:03.829+0000) > > This explains the justifications - but not why it started. Here is a little story about boards: > > It was in season 7 when 10-12 Morde mains pretty much ruled the boards. A lot of them would play with each other (you could see in their match histories) - and many had multiple accounts. > > Think about it, when did you see a Morde in your games in season 7? Well if you were on boards you would think that Mordekaiser is the most popular champion in the game. > > This meant that opinions on boards would be heavily skewed - and since a lot of these Morde players were playing bot lane, they would be super anti-adc. And it only really takes 5-6 votes people to completely skew the boards opinion (since the community is so small). > > The hate of ADCs didn't just happen after 7.9 changes, they were super against buffing ADs even during the "ADC in 2k17" meta. They bitched and complained about the ONLY GOOD AD in Jhin because he had a high pick rate and decent (51-52%) win rate. > > Pretty much any anti-adc thread would get upvoted to the front. This drove most ADC mains away from the boards (just calling someone "a shit ADC main" would garner a lot of upvotes, and you would get downvoted for just being an ADC main). Perpetuated circlejerk to unreal levels against ADCs. After 8.11 changes came to PBE people on boards said it's not enough and it wasn't a big enough nerf (some claimed it was actually a buff). Yes, that's how deluded people got here. > > Only after 8.11 changes did ADC players really start coming back to the boards, but the remenents of the super anti-adc circlejerk still remain. > > You will not find this on Twitter, Reddit, Youtube etc. Only on boards. Never seen a more accurate post on this boards.
: his bitching is partly the cause of the mess we are in
> [{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=REus0Wov,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-04T16:58:24.113+0000) > > his bitching is partly the cause of the mess we are in I dont see how hashinshin made riot overload every new champ/rework ever since camille. Did hashinshin ask for current akali and irelia? Or even the aatrox rework? Or zoe and pyke? Dont think so. All he wanted was so bruisers could play the game against tanks instead of auto losing, and they did that but their solution (conqueror) was also terrible for the game and he himself says that, conqueror needs to be removed and replaced with fervor and tank items should have been nerfed instead of this mess that we have nowdays.
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Rioter Comments
: This is not ok
Mage "supports" all need to be gutted.
Slade25 (NA)
: Except Duskblade gives literally zero defense. I'm not sure why you put that as a defensive item. It is purely offensive. I'm very confused by your argument.
> [{quoted}](name=Slade25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GMiGezEJ,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-02T20:07:30.493+0000) > > Except Duskblade gives literally zero defense. I'm not sure why you put that as a defensive item. It is purely offensive. I'm very confused by your argument. Its a mage main, dont bother.
Aseraan (EUW)
: Wut nerf galio? Did i miss something? Does galio need a nerf? Anyone?
> [{quoted}](name=Aseraan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ii3H0M3s,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-02T06:24:50.618+0000) > > Wut nerf galio? > > Did i miss something? > Does galio need a nerf? > Anyone? Yes, winrate went up by over 6% with the last buff. https://u.gg/lol/champions/galio/build/
: Oh here we got the Mages circle jerk guy again Adc already got a better item , {{item:3087}} , you would be trolling if you say Luden's is better while being even more expensive it was known before the ad items nerfs how people complain about Statik like , what's exactly unfair about Ludens? the fact that it does 10% aoe extra dmg ? or the wave clear?
> [{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GW5prx2z,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-29T01:18:04.412+0000) > > Oh here we got the Mages circle jerk guy again > Adc already got a better item , {{item:3087}} , you would be trolling if you say Luden's is better while being even more expensive > it was known before the ad items nerfs how people complain about Statik > like , what's exactly unfair about Ludens? the fact that it does 10% aoe extra dmg ? or the wave clear? Did you just, non-ironically call shiv in its current state better than ludens? http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Oh-Wait-Your-Serious-Let-Me-Laugh-Even-Harder-On-Futurama.gif
: > [{quoted}](name=Rexxiee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GW5prx2z,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-29T01:05:45.259+0000) > > Theres is literally no downside to the item. > > - Good build path > - Best 1 item power spike in the game outside of trinity force (which costs 500g more) > - Very cheap for how much it gives > - Gives everything a mage needs in a single item > - Burst/waveclear/dps all in one, and 20% cdr why not with tons of ap aswell > > Like if you are playing a champ that cannot build ludens you're at an disavantage right now, like i said if adcs had an item as good as ludens it would literally be IE + shiv combined for 3200 gold, its that stupid. If Stormrazor had crit chance it would be like Ludens.
> [{quoted}](name=Hypochondria9,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GW5prx2z,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-12-29T01:09:28.736+0000) > > If Stormrazor had crit chance it would be like Ludens. And lifesteal, and the shiv energize passive.
: It's build path is good too, Lost Chapter is insanely good for 1300 gold.
> [{quoted}](name=Hypochondria9,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GW5prx2z,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-29T01:01:47.099+0000) > > It's build path is good too, Lost Chapter is insanely good for 1300 gold. Theres is literally no downside to the item. - Good build path - Best 1 item power spike in the game outside of trinity force (which costs 500g more) - Very cheap for how much it gives - Gives everything a mage needs in a single item - Burst/waveclear/dps all in one, and 20% cdr why not with tons of ap aswell Like if you are playing a champ that cannot build ludens you're at an disavantage right now, like i said if adcs had an item as good as ludens it would literally be IE + shiv combined for 3200 gold, its that stupid.
Rioter Comments
: bad example. veigar also reaches 30% higher ap values on average than neeko could, and his e is more powerful than most champion ultimates. so there is a lot of his power budget in that ability. i do think her ult is a tad overtuned, but the comparison between the two champions is kindof shitty. id rather make the comparison to {{champion:9}}
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8s4fAh5A,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-28T17:30:18.031+0000) > > bad example. > > veigar also reaches 30% higher ap values on average than neeko could, and his e is more powerful than most champion ultimates. so there is a lot of his power budget in that ability. > > i do think her ult is a tad overtuned, but the comparison between the two champions is kindof shitty. > > id rather make the comparison to {{champion:9}} Fiddle has to stay on a target for 5 seconds to do that much damage, so yeah neeko is so much better. Its not shitty because veigar ult is one of the highest damage abilities in the game, and neeko basically does same damage while being aoe, stunning.
Rioter Comments
: Champions such as Velkoz & Xerath should NEVER be "supports"
Add {{champion:63}} and {{champion:143}} to the list. Get this garbage out of bot lane.
: Why are we complaining about Akali and the like, when this exists?
Because mages are what everyone and their mother abuses here on boards, so they are not going to complain about that. They are broken as hell yes.
: cant make a thread about how mage items are broken without instant downvotes :^)
> [{quoted}](name=Šûμμáñüš,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LlQQ7E3Y,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-27T02:04:38.320+0000) > > cant make a thread about how mage items are broken without instant downvotes :^) Boards is full of mage abusers everyone knows.
: I think it is baiscally official that the Akali rework is an unfixable failure.
Took you that long to realise that? Its been obvious to me since day 1.
Rioter Comments
: the hardest top laner in LOL has 51.5% winrate and #1 pickrate by double the next champion
Crying about riven in 2018? When akali/irelia/pyke/urgot/camille and all those new design abomination exists? LOL
: STar Guardian
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D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: ADCs aren't weak, but I finally understood why people think they are
You basically just said that adcs are worthless because they cant farm, yet the title of the thread is "adc isnt weak" If adcs cant have impact on the game until 3 items and dont do anything at almost all phases of the game, then that is the definition of weak. Crit adcs are ASS and they need the old Ie + zeal item spike back so they can play the game again.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rexxiee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ekHfhIEK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-19T00:38:26.831+0000) > > Yeah, they should remove the AS penalty on fishbones (rocket gun) late game. > > Like make it so by lvl 16 or 18 her Q doesnt cost mana anymore and has no AS penalty anymore or something, so shes the ultimate late game adc. "Ultimate Late game ADC" is a title that should belong to Vayne, Twitch or Kog'Maw imo. Compared to the 3 listed above, Jinx has a better early and a similar mid game to these 3.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ekHfhIEK,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-12-19T14:53:45.441+0000) > > "Ultimate Late game ADC" is a title that should belong to Vayne, Twitch or Kog'Maw imo. > > Compared to the 3 listed above, Jinx has a better early and a similar mid game to these 3. Jinx does not have a better early game than any of those lol, other than possibly vayne (and vayne can actually destroy jinx in all ins after 6). Kog actually beats jinx in lane after like lvl 5, twitch is about equal to jinx.
: Jinx
Yeah, they should remove the AS penalty on fishbones (rocket gun) late game. Like make it so by lvl 16 or 18 her Q doesnt cost mana anymore and has no AS penalty anymore or something, so shes the ultimate late game adc.
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