D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: is it safe to say that Darius buffs were not enough?
There is no reason to pick anything that isnt tanks top lane because of how broken they are. So the tanks should be nerfed, darius doesnt need further buffs.
: Duskblade + Zombie is TOXIC PLAY for us Supports
And the whole support itemization is toxic for the rest of the game, so many broken items that completely invalidate any kind of aggression towards his/her team mates.
IceJeleb (NA)
: Miss Fortune Support Getting Gutted as Collateral Damage (again)
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: @Riot Why is Ornn allowed to be so tanky and do so much damage?
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: December 8
Are the sunfire buffs being reverted? item is way too strong and is making tanks shit on bruisers again.
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: "electrocute is strong so we're nerfing/buffing champions around it"
Electrocute is not too strong though, it has a massive CD early (50s). If you want to complain about actual too strong keystones complain about Grasp and Aftershock.
: OP isn't talking about that, though. Look at his post. He thinks he's supposed to be getting skin shards from leveling up. You guys really can't just take one line out of context and take something totally different from it like that.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5vUJflhE,comment-id=001e00070000,timestamp=2017-12-05T21:03:20.438+0000) > > OP isn't talking about that, though. Look at his post. He thinks he's supposed to be getting skin shards from leveling up. You guys really can't just take one line out of context and take something totally different from it like that. When did i mention we were supposed to get lvl up skin shards? Oh right, nowhere, all im saying is that those new "sources" of OE are nowhere to be found, the new event included, where they made it so if you want the icon + the borders you couldnt even get a single orb for 1 skin shard without paying for more tokens, this is actually LESS than events like riven/yasuo one. Why couldnt we just get the border for buying the skins on the release week? Why do we have to waste possible rewards on friggin borders? This is just too greedy. There is no real compensation for the OE nerfs (and with how things are looking there WONT be any) and you know it.
Chiken138 (EUW)
: In what World is Volibear on a fine state
Volibear is a bruiser, not a juggernaut. And hes shit because no shit bruisers are shit.
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Chiken138 (EUW)
: How Bad must a champion be to get buffed
Hes a figther so hes never getting buffed. Tough luck for him, if he was a support or a tank then he would have been buffed 10 patches ago.
Salson (EUNE)
: Are there any toplane mains in the Balance Team?
They do, but they only play tanks. Hence why tanks have been broken and meta for the last 3 years +, meanwhile every change that happens to game is a middle finger to fighters. Fighters are struggling? Lets remove fervor from the game and buff grasp and aftershock LMAO. ornn and maokai outdamage bruisers just by existing while being tanks with spammabe abilities and cc, nice fking joke. The balance team is basically made of silver/gold players that main tank and support, thats why the game balance is so awful.
: ahris the same way though. she has an instant charm to peel, and 3 dashes.
> [{quoted}](name=Stillshade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sxuxp7oH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-04T21:43:21.495+0000) > > ahris the same way though. she has an instant charm to peel, and 3 dashes. one Zoe E into max range Q probably outdamages ahri whole kit. Ahri pays too much damage for her safety, which makes her bad at carrying.
: junglers need like... something extra...
Junglers need to be nerfed so they dont auto decide the early and thus the game in the first 5~10 mins of the game.
: {{champion:92}}. I feel her "balance" is solely based around how well you know her kit. If you know it well you'll never lose a game with her. If you don't you will feed every game. and somehow I'm always facing the one who can tower dive and shield dash away before taking any turret damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Blue Moon Wolf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T0Goi8Om,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-12-03T16:46:32.061+0000) > > {{champion:92}}. I feel her "balance" is solely based around how well you know her kit. If you know it well you'll never lose a game with her. If you don't you will feed every game. and somehow I'm always facing the one who can tower dive and shield dash away before taking any turret damage. Yep, riven cant lose if you're good at her, thats why riven has a 48% average win rate atm and all of the challenger riven 1 tricks are dropping her because shes complete dogshit atm.
: Riot, we need to talk about... this.
It should have been "newbie" instead of "noob". Newbie = new player Noob = bad player
: > [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4M0xWxa7,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-02T21:04:13.775+0000) > > That and warhammer makes it great for Riven again more than other bruisers. > > _Holds back bias stick_ ye. as if the health is bad on riven. its not optimal, but she doesnt have to rush it.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4M0xWxa7,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T21:11:57.793+0000) > > ye. as if the health is bad on riven. its not optimal, but she doesnt have to rush it. 40 ad is too little on a 3k gold item without fervor. Bruisers are lackign damage to even threat to kill those tanks, thats why i was saying it could use more AD.
Jbels (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rexxiee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4M0xWxa7,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-12-02T20:29:06.309+0000) > > So? > > Maokai and orrn win lanes with tabi, hell they even do it while rushing righteous glory, they dont even need bramble vest to faceroll everyone melee, thats how broken they are. So then we just need to give bruisers every buff they can possibly get and just nerf tanks until they do nothing? Reverting cleaver on top of the shit load of buffs that bruisers are most likely getting in this patch is not the way to go. Edit: Oh my god this is literally only because these champions counter Riven. Are you serious? Miss me with this biased shit.
> [{quoted}](name=Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4M0xWxa7,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T20:42:12.077+0000) > > So then we just need to give bruisers every buff they can possibly get and just nerf tanks until they do nothing? Reverting cleaver on top of the shit load of buffs that bruisers are most likely getting in this patch is not the way to go. > > Edit: Oh my god this is literally only because these champions counter Riven. Are you serious? Miss me with this biased shit. They counter EVERYONE that is melee and goes top lane. Darius for example is at 46% and hes actually LOSING to tanks in lane, something that should NOT be happening.
Jbels (NA)
: You know they killed Bramble Bami's right? They are changing a tank's powerspike from two item components to one actual full item. If anything, that hurts tanks early on because they won't be able to trade as well against fighters like Fiora or Renekton, like we shouldn't be able to do. In addition to that, damage nerfs are already on PBE for Maokai and Ornn. I swear to god, nobody will be satisfied with this game until tanks are useless at all stages of the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4M0xWxa7,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-12-02T20:07:54.938+0000) > > You know they killed Bramble Bami's right? They are changing a tank's powerspike from two item components to one actual full item. If anything, that hurts tanks early on because they won't be able to trade as well against fighters like Fiora or Renekton, like we shouldn't be able to do. In addition to that, damage nerfs are already on PBE for Maokai and Ornn. I swear to god, nobody will be satisfied with this game until tanks are useless at all stages of the game. So? Maokai and orrn win lanes with tabi, hell they even do it while rushing righteous glory, they dont even need bramble vest to faceroll everyone melee, thats how broken they are.
Rioter Comments
: They need to return %dmg reduction to the defensive tree, instead of the crappy keystones we have now. That or some adaptive resistances, like how the offensive trees have adaptive damage and/or % based increases. I'm even starting to see marksmen and assassin teams dominate on TT/3v3, which has historically been a bruiser-centric map. This might be the worst state tanky dps have been in the entire history of LoL.
> [{quoted}](name=Elkington,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4M0xWxa7,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-12-02T18:07:15.119+0000) > > They need to return %dmg reduction to the defensive tree, instead of the crappy keystones we have now. That or some adaptive resistances, like how the offensive trees have adaptive damage and/or % based increases. > > I'm even starting to see marksmen and assassin teams dominate on TT/3v3, which has historically been a bruiser-centric map. This might be the worst state tanky dps have been in the entire history of LoL. That would make tanks even stronger, so no.
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: He's getting nerfed Calm down.
> [{quoted}](name=Bronze 6 Yasuo,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=e6VmAhXk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-30T07:43:01.953+0000) > > He's getting nerfed > > Calm down. The nerf is not anywhere near enough. And they more than doubled sunfire damage, so him and maokai might actually be STRONGER since their 1 item powerspikes just got buffed into oblivion. Meanwhile 5 damage buffs for bruisers lmao, im sure with riven Q doing 15 damage instead of 10 per cast or camille gaining an extra .5s shield duration will make them playable against those broken super tanks /sarcasm
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: Whoa! Calm down, you may need to look at the big picture here to understand this... > Bramble Vest Unique Passive - Thorns Damage reflect changed from [15 damage] to [damage equal to 10% of your bonus Armor] Reminder, Bramble Vest has 35 armor itself (Which is counted as bonus armor for the purposes of its damage calculation) meaning the damage is down from 15 to a measly 3,5 if you rush the item. You will need an additional 115 BONUS armor from OTHER sources to bring the Thorns passive damage back to it's old value which is a huge Bramble early rush nerf (And a good thing too) On the other hand the buff to SFC is a compensation for it HOWEVER, Sunfire is a COMPLETE ITEM at a cost of 2900 gold, need i remind you Bami's Cinder didn't get any of these compensation buffs so Tanks should theoretically be more vulnerable early on as Bramble rush falls out of viability...
> [{quoted}](name=Azure Northwing,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2HLFq9u,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-11-28T12:08:21.667+0000) > > Whoa! Calm down, you may need to look at the big picture here to understand this... > Unique Passive - Thorns > Damage reflect changed from [15 damage] to [damage equal to 10% of your bonus Armor] > > Reminder, Bramble Vest has 35 armor itself (Which is counted as bonus armor for the purposes of its damage calculation) meaning the damage is down from 15 to a measly 3,5 if you rush the item. You will need an additional 115 BONUS armor from OTHER sources to bring the Thorns passive damage back to it's old value which is a huge Bramble early rush nerf (And a good thing too) > > On the other hand the buff to SFC is a compensation for it HOWEVER, Sunfire is a COMPLETE ITEM at a cost of 2900 gold, need i remind you Bami's Cinder didn't get any of these compensation buffs so Tanks should theoretically be more vulnerable early on as Bramble rush falls out of viability... The point was to make tanks weaker, not to compensate them by making sunfire broken again... Figthers need a power increase and tanks need a power reduction, is that too hard to understand?
: How is that a buff? Sunfire now deals 25 instead of 20 damage to enemy champions, but instead of 40 (100% extra damage) to minions only 37.5 (50% extra damage) Makes their pushing slightly worse.
> [{quoted}](name=JungleTaliyahWTF,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2HLFq9u,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-28T00:07:52.578+0000) > > How is that a buff? > > Sunfire now deals 25 instead of 20 damage to enemy champions, but instead of 40 (100% extra damage) to minions only 37.5 (50% extra damage) > > Makes their pushing slightly worse. Sunfire starts at 11 damage on live. They are more than doubling its base damage, this would be fine if tanks were weak right now, they ARENT,
ok evan (NA)
: Didn't they nerf {{champion:57}} as well?
> [{quoted}](name=ok evan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2HLFq9u,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-28T00:05:05.263+0000) > > Didn't they nerf {{champion:57}} as well? less 5 damage at rank 1 Q. It was 15 the patch before, now they reduce the nerf because "it would kill him". Then they more than doubled sunfire damage. ZZZZZZZZZ
Paradòx (NA)
: Nah, realize with a tank item buff, they always nerf something. It's never a net buff.
> [{quoted}](name=Paradòx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E2HLFq9u,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-28T00:00:26.249+0000) > > Nah, realize with a tank item buff, they always nerf something. It's never a net buff. Yeah, they nerf bruisers instead by nerfing PtA so the few attack speed bruisers that are barely above 50% fall down again.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Rexxiee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qPGErc9E,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-27T02:46:14.802+0000) > > PtA will never be good on bruisers. > > What they need to do is replace dark haverst with old fervor. > > Dark harvest has absolutely no space in the game anymore after the PBE nerfs, it will never be anything more than a bronze stomper, so why not get rid of it and give bruisers old fervor back? > > That way they could go domination, take fervor and gain the 11 AD back they lost on runes. And why PtA will never be good on bruiser ? Please explain because i see multiple Fiora doing just fine with it.
> [{quoted}](name=One Ashe On,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qPGErc9E,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-11-27T02:52:26.712+0000) > > And why PtA will never be good on bruiser ? Please explain because i see multiple Fiora doing just fine with it. PTA is trash on fiora. Bruisers want AD over 18% attack speed, and PTA dmg amp does nothing to true damage (her vitals).
Kyunsei (EUW)
: @Riot Will Fighter/bruiser top lane get some love ? (Renekton, Fiora, Tryndamere, etc...)
PtA will never be good on bruisers. What they need to do is replace dark haverst with old fervor. Dark harvest has absolutely no space in the game anymore after the PBE nerfs, it will never be anything more than a bronze stomper, so why not get rid of it and give bruisers old fervor back? That way they could go domination, take fervor and gain the 11 AD back they lost on runes.
: To: Everybody saying Top lane and Bruisers in general are bad right now
You mean playing a tank when tanks are good? What a shocker, gnar is not a bruiser that relied on fervor, of course hes not doing bad. Hes a tank that doubles as a ranged lane bully, hes in the cancer tier along with maokai, ornn and cho, those champs are making figthers unplayable.
Jbels (NA)
: I'm sorry, what? No compensation? I think you need to remember that press the attack exists
> [{quoted}](name=Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QruQEicH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-26T21:11:05.315+0000) > > I'm sorry, what? No compensation? I think you need to remember that press the attack exists Press the attack is garbage on non jax bruisers, its only good for adcs.
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Sasogwa (EUW)
: So... I see nobody talking about Sunfire and Bramble vest changes?
The fact they are even buffing sunfire like that when shit like ornn maokai and cho are already the most broken top laners in the game is hilarious.
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: I think its a little too early to make judgments on Zoe.
Anyone with half a brain knows shes OP as fk atm.
: Vaynes E has like a 99% chance of stunning at any location in the game in Overcharge
Vayne isnt that good on this gamemode, graves with lethality on the other hand is god tier.
: People acting like they're just now noticing that Zoe Q is pre-rework nid spear...
Old nid didnt have a 1500 range 2s spammable hard CC :/
: Because most of Zoe's damage comes from her Q, while Nidalee has her second form that she can change to for followup burst.
> [{quoted}](name=My Hands r 2 Big,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3Zs4kRBY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-24T08:03:59.421+0000) > > Because most of Zoe's damage comes from her Q, while Nidalee has her second form that she can change to for followup burst. Old nid never used melee form for anything other than to spam pounce.
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: {{champion:67}} dont forget this cancer, "weak early game" meanwhile she can 1v1 any ADC in lane from lvl 2 onward
> [{quoted}](name=DoktorKaiser,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3bguvy8a,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-11-23T12:00:15.288+0000) > > {{champion:67}} dont forget this cancer, "weak early game" meanwhile she can 1v1 any ADC in lane from lvl 2 onward You must really suck at laning if you lose to vayne early game. Shes good after later when she hits 2~3 items, before that shes the weakest adc in the game, specially in a 2v2 lane.
: Um, don't go past the river, don't fight, and let them push, so your jungler can actually gank, while you deny their jungler from ganking?
> [{quoted}](name=SkiTheSmurf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6HPZwt3Z,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-23T03:56:46.267+0000) > > Um, don't go past the river, don't fight, and let them push, so your jungler can actually gank, while you deny their jungler from ganking? Basically dont play the game, play the sit at tower and hope your jungler is better than the other one simulator. Because the other 8 players are spectating.
Eedat (NA)
: > Theres just no more skill based 1v1 or 2v2s, Well thats blatantly obvious considering LoL is a 5v5 game. If you want to play 1v1, dont play LoL. LoL is not a 1v1 game. It never has been nor will it ever be one.
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6HPZwt3Z,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-23T04:00:23.055+0000) > > Well thats blatantly obvious considering LoL is a 5v5 game. If you want to play 1v1, dont play LoL. LoL is not a 1v1 game. It never has been nor will it ever be one. What? Laning phase has always been about the 1v1, until recently that is.
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