Akumu (NA)
: This sounds absolutely terrible. Riot can you please stop with these ridiculous gimmicks every pre-season. They are almost always CLEARLY bad ideas the moment you hear them without even having to test anything. These changes are garbage. Stop taking away individual player agency. Making objective buffs extremely powerful to the point where you will always lose a 1v1 based on something thats completely out of your control is not fun. If your jungler sucks or team refuses to group I guess you just lose now? Junglers already have too much control over the game. Getting 3 infernals is already pretty much auto win, why does this need to be stronger? We want MORE individual skill expression that has been eroded over the past few seasons NOT LESS. I want more chances to come back and more chances to carry my team. I dont want to just FF cause the enemy jungler got more Dragons.
I absolutely agree. It's incredibly frustrating to play fairly consistently well while your team mates(Sometimes it's just one or two) ignore objectives or just full on hard int and you're left with a loss more often then not because solo ability is slowly being snuffed out. I've pretty consistently beaten people bot side and starved them of resources only to have my team mates fuck the game so hard that you just can't do anything about it. I mean, you try but it's almost always a fruitless endeavor.
Girahem (NA)
: Dude, if your loosing games because of stuff like this it's your mindset that's wrong, not riots. Tripple infernal is not actually that strong, and I would always rather have tripple mountain or ocean. The map changes should allow for equal individual expression, if not more because it places emphasis on creativity and vision control. And objective control is not just your junglers job. Also because Elder is not based on number of Drake's taken anymore, so tripple dragon looses a lot of power, the dragon souls is largely just going to compensate for that.
"30% increase in damage isn't that strong". Imagine getting a free adaptive hat. Absolutely mindless lmao
: Well if you think about it from riots perspective all of these changes are geared toward making the game shorter. If they adjust the numbers accordingly they will accomplish exactly what they want: for supports to stop feeling the need to farm in the first place! We will be returning to the meta of funneling gold into your team as a support with a focus on either dmg, peel, or cc as well as vision control. These are what the supports jobs are anyways in the first place it is not to 1v5 their whole team like right now is.{{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
Clearly you don't play support. There's a reason why mages go bot side to "support". Sometimes you have to go full DPS where your team is lacking because of mistakes they make or just full on inting.
: Why is there still a chat box?
Delete in game chat? Yes please. You have emotes now so you don't even need chat to tilt someone into oblivion. Just give them a thumbs up emote when they do something dumb or miss their skillshots. Chat really is just juicy bait to get people banned and I regrettably have taken that bait at times. Big OOF by me.
: Agreed. The chat box is simply a bait to get accounts banned, potentially allowing riot to profit twice off someone for the same products. But, we agree to a TOS, so they got us there. I disable /allchat permanently using the in-game feature. There should be similar for any chat period at the very least. I usually /fullmute all when entering a game, but I'm human, and sometimes forget. I see the first flame come down and I'm easily tilted, even if it isn't directed at me, I basically lose all hope because typically the game is lost when someone starts raging. Not always, but the majority of games in my experience. It needs to go, plain and simple.
I feel ya man. I tend to do the same shit, mute the chat and try to keep my nose clean. I'f I'm getting curb stomped into the ground and having a bad time it's all I can do to stay calm and do my best but as soon as someone flames me for having the audacity to die in my lane I tend to loose my shit.
: somepeople drive me nuts
Yea, all the bloody time. I tend to just mute people as soon as they waggle their fingers to type some dumb shit at me since it's just not worth feeding the trolls. You just have to deal with that nonsense sometimes and no matter what happens you can't flame them for wasting your time or big brother Rito will slap you with a ban hammer.
: BEST RANT NA
It really is a shame that you can get trolled into oblivion but when you decide to use your chat to tell some fuckass off you get slapped by big brother rito. We're all big bois, we can handle being told off especially if we open our mouths to flame first and if you CAN'T handle it then why waggle your fingers in the first place, yea? Shits a fucking nightmare man and rito just wants your money so they don't give a fuck. "Wanna play our game?" Riot asks. "Then you fuckasses better turn your chat off so you don't get your ass banned for talking."
: Honest, just rage quit if he's going to be passive aggressive. Riot can't punish you for leaving games outside of a leaver penalty, and if you don't do it consistently, you'll never see a punishment. If you know you're going to lose LP, might as well not get punished further for it. Flaming will get you banned. Going AFK won't.
I feel like this is the best course of action from now on. It's absolute madness that you can't use the chat for anything other then saying nice things but whatever. I'm considering just turning chat off because I don't think interacting with people is worth it in the long run if I get tilted and open my mouth and say some dumb shit because riot is ban happy. I fucking hate riot man. Or more specifically whoever is in charge of this shit. Goddamn madness.
: You did swear... BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND GETTING FLAMED I F**** HATE IT CAUSE USUALLY THE FLAMER IS INTING AND ur doing ur best but the don't give a sh*t
Yea man, it feels bad. I so seldom even talk in chat that the chat ban doesn't do much to me but the system is still fucking dumb. I go into a game and generally go out of it with the same mentality; Do your best and learn what you can win or loose. When you're basically fucked sitting under your tower you already know what you have to do; Don't feed and wait for the jungler to apply pressure. So there's nothing to learn from that experience what do you do? Fucking cry because of baddies. AND THEN when they complain about you doing shit and do nothing and you're just supposed to sit there and take it like what the fuck riot. *Sigh* it's a whole lot of bullshit if you ask me.
Rioter Comments
Blam (NA)
: Chat restriction log INC. Playing with premade as JUNGLE NEVER DO IT
I feel ya. Even if you look at what you say and think, "Yea, maybe I could have eased up a bit," being about as bad as it got they treat it like you told them to die in a ditch and that they're the reason suffering exists in the world. Recently had a game just like this. I don't generally flame, hell I don't generally tilt but it does happen. Happened and then our Jungler opens there mouth complaining about how worthless we all are and I tell her to shut the fuck up. The game was over, we were something like 4-18 with them beating on our inhib tower and they didn't want to surrender because I was upset and sitting in the base for a minute. You can be the target of some stupid ass bully shit but when you snap and say literally anything? Yea clearly you fucked up, shoulda just bent over and spread your ass so they can fuck you some more. Fuck this company man and fuck these toxic ass players.
RikuXI (NA)
: Explain how cherry picking information, misrepresenting words out of context and then exclaiming that person is wrong isn't a straw-man. Your argument is based on the notion that x word was used in x context. However if x word was used in y context then your argument is no longer valid. Which is the case. The argument put forth was a guy said a word, coon, and used it as short hand for racoon. Taking the word in context makes the statement rather mundane and not note worthy at all. Now, if you take that word, plug it into a different sentence or decide to interpret the word however you see fit, well of course there's gonna be a problem. Because you made one. Chasing shadows in the dark is no way to go about enforcing things. Bonus round~ "A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."" You taking information out of context and constructing an argument based off of your false notion is a straw-man. Now which one of us doesn't know what we're talkin' about, eh? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oAhP3aZJ,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000000000000000000001000000000002,timestamp=2018-09-27T08:38:44.459+0000) > > see my previous comment. i edited it while you were typing all that^ > > it's not related. but for a whole other reason than initially mentioned > [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oAhP3aZJ,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-27T07:13:05.400+0000) > > it's not a strawman to say that there is no context in which being toxic was a valid response. Somebody else being toxic first does not magically make it ok for you to be toxic back! > > please learn what words mean before using them Correct, saying that thing in that context in that given scenario is indeed not a straw-man. However, saying that thing in that context in that given scenario in RESPONSE to what I said is. So...... yea.
RikuXI (NA)
: Explain how cherry picking information, misrepresenting words out of context and then exclaiming that person is wrong isn't a straw-man. Your argument is based on the notion that x word was used in x context. However if x word was used in y context then your argument is no longer valid. Which is the case. The argument put forth was a guy said a word, coon, and used it as short hand for racoon. Taking the word in context makes the statement rather mundane and not note worthy at all. Now, if you take that word, plug it into a different sentence or decide to interpret the word however you see fit, well of course there's gonna be a problem. Because you made one. Chasing shadows in the dark is no way to go about enforcing things. Bonus round~ "A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."" You taking information out of context and constructing an argument based off of your false notion is a straw-man. Now which one of us doesn't know what we're talkin' about, eh? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
I agree that it's quite suspicious but I think most everything is suspicious so the point is moot. It doesn't change the fact you still don't know what a straw-man is since you keep tossing them at me. :| If you create an out of context argument to mislead a conversation, it's a straw-man. So you going off point and creating these "But what if" scenarios is a straw-man. Kudos to digging up that info though. Doesn't change the fact that the argument we were talking about was based off of a hypothetical though. ;3
Voldymort (EUNE)
: > nice try trying to shift your argument to try and hide it though. you keep throwing these red herrings trying to dodge the issue. it's quite sad >You then tried to strawman me. prove it
"you keep throwing these red herrings trying to dodge the issue. it's quite sad" That's not a red herring, it's called snark. Though I'm not surprised someone with your illiteracy would get those confused. "Prove it" I literally just did squiddo. Or do you need me to repost everything you typed? Do you have some kind of aversion to proof reading your arguments? Edit: Damnit, I missed my chance to say you strawmaned your strawman, thus... strawmanception. RIP opportunities
: But I didnt even get the first chat ban, I gave me the 2 weeks ban 5 minutes after the game ended. I did say the 0 tolerance word in that game only. I dont want an etchics lesson now but I would appreciate a warning first. I mean I thought my chat logs would be seen by a mod or something first and not get banned by a bot in 5 minutes. I had 4 lines in my chat log, 2 of them didnt contain anything toxic and the other 2 just had the zero tolerance word. Thats not the point though, its out of my control because I cant grind games like other people. An example : A toxic player who plays like 20+ games a day can get rewards because he will get honor level 2 but me who is reformed ( I wasnt even toxic tbh, just lost control once and said 2 words , didnt have any restrictions before ) will not get them because I dont have time to play too many games. This is unfair
As I said, as long as you're not using terms like "kys" and "retarded" and other zero tolerance stuff then you won't get smashed with a ban again. They skip chat bans if you trigger their bot. I speak from personal experience. Again, as I said, so long as you play games, not alot mind you, you should eventually get your honor back up. If you feel like it's taking longer then it should then talk to a support staff. You just gotta email them and they're quite helpful. I asked them questions about my ban back when and they provided me with all kinds of helpful information.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >doesn't change the fact that it's still vague and open to interpretation and that will inevitably lead to confusion. if your biggest problem is interpreting the statement then what your concern is isn't the statement itself but your difficulty to find ways around it. like i said: that phrase is what they summarise the rules as, rules that are always available for reading should you wish to bother with it. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us
No, the problem I have is the fact that your arguments have more holes then swiss cheese, nice try trying to shift your argument to try and hide it though. Also, I'm quite well read and I'm well aware of Riots TOS. The argument was bans are supposed to have a threshold in which players can understand what to and not to say, especially if you have a insta-ban algorithm bot. You retorted with, "Riot has defined it, they said don't be a dick! I get it, why don't you?" Paraphrasing but I trust that's not a problem. I then said that if there's no clear cut boundaries defined it will only create chaos and that's not very good if they want to bring order to the game. You then tried to strawman me. Did I miss anything? : ^)
zPOOPz (NA)
: That's still something that is within your control. The punishment works based on consistency x severity. If you are only mildly toxic and get reported, you will be okay until you show a pattern of of such behaviors by being mildly toxic in multiple games and get reported for it. Then you will be punished. If you are extremely toxic and say them zero tolerance word a few times even in just one game, you will be punished. It is generally known that 1 report = 9 reports as far as the system is concern and ignorance of that is not really an excuse.
*BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT* Oh look at that, you're out of time! Thanks for playing! Now, what was the answer? "Don't take things out of context or misconstrue a question"? Oh and you were so close.... Not. @OP I'd assume that as long as you're respectful and play games you'll eventually get your milestone and get to honor level 2 eventually. If you feel like you've been honor level 1 for too long and you feel like you've played a sufficient amount of games and have been a good boy then you can contact riot support and ask them directly.
RikuXI (NA)
: Explain how cherry picking information, misrepresenting words out of context and then exclaiming that person is wrong isn't a straw-man. Your argument is based on the notion that x word was used in x context. However if x word was used in y context then your argument is no longer valid. Which is the case. The argument put forth was a guy said a word, coon, and used it as short hand for racoon. Taking the word in context makes the statement rather mundane and not note worthy at all. Now, if you take that word, plug it into a different sentence or decide to interpret the word however you see fit, well of course there's gonna be a problem. Because you made one. Chasing shadows in the dark is no way to go about enforcing things. Bonus round~ "A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."" You taking information out of context and constructing an argument based off of your false notion is a straw-man. Now which one of us doesn't know what we're talkin' about, eh? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
That example is related. The whole conversation was: Imagine if you get banned for saying something that's normal to you but had another, offensive, meaning and you had no way of knowing it. It would be messed up right? Would you think you were in the wrong? You responded with "Yes." Other guy asked "And why would you think you were in the wrong? Like, if you got banned for something like that I would be the 1st who would tell you 'you did nothing wrong'." You responded with "Because ignorance is never a valid excuse. Being missinformed is my problem, not the world's" and that's when I interjected with "Neither is taking something out of context and claiming it's offensive. Get that straw-man the fuck outa here." So... yea. It's related.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >when they don't have a concrete basis for do's and don'ts. rioters have summarised it multiple times in 4 words: "don't be a dick!" i'll never understand why that is such a "vague" notion to follow since i've been playing for 9 years and haven't had a chat restriction since season 3-4. {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
Assuming you're not a complete idiot, it's rather easy to understand that an open ended statement such as "don't be a dick" is a statement that is purely subjective. Even if this statement is made with the idea that popular social interpretation will be used doesn't change the fact that it's still vague and open to interpretation and that will inevitably lead to confusion. Explaining things in a clear, concise way is important to prevent needless confusion, so this idea that that statement is sufficient is simply not ridiculous.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: it's not a strawman to say that there is no context in which being toxic was a valid response. Somebody else being toxic first does not magically make it ok for you to be toxic back! please learn what words mean before using them
Explain how cherry picking information, misrepresenting words out of context and then exclaiming that person is wrong isn't a straw-man. Your argument is based on the notion that x word was used in x context. However if x word was used in y context then your argument is no longer valid. Which is the case. The argument put forth was a guy said a word, coon, and used it as short hand for racoon. Taking the word in context makes the statement rather mundane and not note worthy at all. Now, if you take that word, plug it into a different sentence or decide to interpret the word however you see fit, well of course there's gonna be a problem. Because you made one. Chasing shadows in the dark is no way to go about enforcing things. Bonus round~ "A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."" You taking information out of context and constructing an argument based off of your false notion is a straw-man. Now which one of us doesn't know what we're talkin' about, eh? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Voldymort (EUNE)
: words have more than one meaning. true but you can't have a sentence containing such a word mean two different things at the same time. prove me wrong!
I hardly find that necessary when you prove my point for me. If someone is being banned for simply using a word then context doesn't matter. However, context does matter when a word is to be used as an insult. Simply having a bot pick up an "offensive" term and banning the user of said word is not conducive to creating a healthy environment for players. Hence why context matters, especially for words with multiple meanings, which is a lot.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: and yet you agreed to this rule when you made the account. complaining about a rule that you previously agreed to is the trully ridiculous thing, don't ya think?
That's not the thing in question, now is it? Having information displayed in a fashion so players can understand what they're agreeing to is. Using arbitrary and open ended words is for legal reasons. So yes, riot can do what they want but that doesn't change the fact that this causes confusion among players when they don't have a concrete basis for do's and don'ts. Confusion will lead to chaos and that's not conducive to the environment they claim to be creating, yea?
Voldymort (EUNE)
: ok. i'll simplify it for you: _**there is no context in which being toxic to someone is allowed**_ it doesn't matter what the other guy did, it doesn't matter who started it, it doesn't matter how much your feeling got hurt because someone on the internet dared to disagree with you. it just doesn't! also you didn't answer my question: did you have a chat restriction some time before this game happened?
Bans are supposed to be dished out when a threshold is met. If people got punished for the first mean thing they said it'd be ridiculous, especially since 'mean' is subjective, even if it's based on common a ideology.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: if you type something without knowing what it means, then you deserve what comes out of it
Words do have more then one meaning, you are aware of this, yea? "Ignorance is never a valid excuse" to quote you. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Voldymort (EUNE)
: Because ignorance is never a valid excuse. Being missinformed is my problem, not the world's.
Neither is taking something out of context and claiming it's offensive. Get that straw-man the fuck outa here.
PreShot (NA)
: Game 1 In-Game oC Static: where is poppy? (I didnt see her in lane) oC Static: lol so lcose oC Static: cuz its normal lol oC Static: lol he wasted his ult for an 0/4 player (Was talking about SHen on the enemy team to my team mates) oC Static: 2 min ult for an 0/4 shen I dont know if that was smart oC Static: 20 gold? oC Static: then roam lux oC Static: youy want me to play my lane or respond to your toxicity oC Static: cuz its normal and I dont care really when im autofilled oC Static: I wouldnt of traded oC Static: free chance to hit an ez level 1 riven oC Static: stop being toxic kid and eat some ceral oC Static: cereal oC Static: bud your cs is suffering because your being toxic responding to me while you are losing your lane.. oC Static: bud losing lane isnt being toxic but im going to mute and report you oC Static: flaming a team mate for having a bad game is toxicity oC Static: you are afking at your tower flaming me oC Static: while pyke is playing oC Static: seriously stop and play oC Static: my first friggen riven game and legit being flamed for no reason oC Static: cool story =) oC Static: toxicity has no limits does it lol oC Static: i think your team is using way to much resources for someone with my score oC Static: just saying oC Static: see hwat i mean lol oC Static: lol leave me alone im being flamed by lux and trist oC Static: threatening to report me because im having a bad game and being flamed by trist? oC Static: sounds pretty toxic oC Static: ty mundo oC Static: mundo has been the best team mate hasnt flamed me once oC Static: damn it just came up oC Static: ty oC Static: can you report the toxic team mates tho oC Static: i really apperciate it oC Static: honor mundo if you can oC Static: hes been very cool and chill oC Static: well in pykes defense hes never once told any one to stop being toxic like mundo has oC Static: gg Post-Game oC Static: isnt that amazing we won regardless how bad i did in lane? oC Static: almost as if the flame wasnt even required? oC Static: please report lux and trist ty oC Static: gg wp oC Static: you are a good poppy oC Static: first time riven and you abused me oC Static: but sadly I got flamed hard by trist because of it oC Static: oh lol oC Static: you should oC Static: yeah that early dmg was unexpected oC Static: and me not killing you at level 2 was so tilting oC Static: lol oC Static: yea lol oC Static: gl ---------------------------------------------------------- The above is 1 game and this 1 game is now going to prevent me from getting in game rewards. Support says I deserved it even though they agreed there was toxic players in my game flaming me hard..
Assuming this is unedited then you really shouldn't have received a ban. Although I did talk to a support rep one time and they said simply typing excessively(regardless of context) can be toxic behavior. So with that ass-backwards logic that might explain this ban. Rito really doesn't have their shit together from what I've seen.
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My bad, was just trying to make a joke. Didn't think it'd be a problem. I'll keep that in mind in the future. But common... you laughed a little right? xD
Avadr (EUNE)
: Literally in game with zoe, at the frist 20 minutes i just writed sometimes to calm down with being salty to others becouse i was knowing that doesnt help anyone. After a while i did even a joke when she ganked bot to but make atmosphere a little better, so we could focus on teamplay and stoping zoe from abusing others. Then i gived advice to build a lich bane, she answered again with abuse, neutrally said that im not low rank, but where she get to know thats not build anymore, she again flamed on me, i didnt reacted on this. Literally after this i have been flamed by her and her friend soraka, like the two others players in the match, after it ive recived even 2 honors. Ive tried my best to preventing midlaner with her behaviour, i was literally game friendly/neutral when she was abusing me with vulgar words about me the rest of our team. Like words "zoe inted again" actually were a product after a getting constantly flamed by her with the words were loosing becouse they got us 3 in team, so they could not 2v5 , she went once again without teammates and lost the game, thats why i said even gg after we were after a fight, where they were taking already a nexus. We were speaking about going together, right before it i just asked about lichbane, got flamed by her? thats right? for me not, i respectfully taked her flame on me, without overreacting, trying to get a team to work together, even if she was flaming for over 30 minutes. Like i wanted to try that team to work together, but she always rejected it with flaming. At the frist game, it looked a little worse from my side, lux picked a countered support by them, when she was pickind after them. I was not mad about it, game just started, lee said that hes fine with doing buff alone, said that im ok with it, and went with her on lane, bitz catched us few times, so we needed to play really passive, she marked that hes in bushes, and just run towards him with 40% hp, ive commented it to her that she just marked it and rushed in where she should not, then she said its my fault becouse i didnt banned a support(where she was able to pick counter support after blitz was picking before her), i couldnt understand her way of thinking. i was for a some time mad about, but after a while i apologized team that i was kinda pesimistic ingame, even i did it 2 times. that's all About that the game gap, literally it was like 30 games between each other, even i had upgraded my honor level, so i was rewarded for my resocialized behaviour. Ive checked the terms of use, and literally i didnt break any rule here. even in the https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player i do not see that my behaviour is a highly toxic for others, its like sometimes im not positive, but its not being a hardly toxic for someone, i just do not offend others. But if there was a honor unlocked, so ive been "gifted" for good behaviour so its shows i didnt had to much reports, and i was nice person to others, and im always trying to be good for teammates and respectfull for enemies. Sometimes ive got baited into discuss by a flamer, like with zoe but my behaviour at the begginning until almost a end was positive, trying to catch a good vibes in team, even with asking her for buid she makes, tried to give a advice, where literally still i was getting flamed on by her.
I think alot has to do with your fractured english. Context is already really hard to convey in text form and I know from a different prospective your words and how you said them might come off as disrespectful. It's not your fault mind you, it's just something to keep in mind while trying to understand why you got your ban. Hell, maybe I'm wrong altogether and it's some other thing. I can really only try to shed some light on things using my perspective and I can only hope that it helps. As I said, I really do hope you get this ban lifted, it really doesn't seem fair. Good luck man.
RallerenP (EUW)
: You didn't see OP arguing with their team, or making negative comments towards them? What I see is a lot of negativity in OP's games. Maybe not straight toxic, but IMO there are only two reasons to use the chat: 1. Motivate your team. Meaning, don't write "zoe inting again", even if she is. Don't argue with your team. OP was constantly arguing and making negative comments towards their own team. Things like 'gj', 'thanks' and 'gg (depending on context)' all motivate teams to play better. 2. Strategize. Some situations you can't just ping. It would be things like, "Tahm, when team fights start, eat me and get me away from danger". Not toxic, not negative. If you aren't strictly using chat for being friendly or strategizing, you shouldn't use it at all. I guess it boils down to "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." All other reasons to use the chat only contribute to making chances of winning less and tilting everyone. That's the point of philosophy of the system atleast. Be friendly or neutral or don't write anything. We are all humans and we all want to have a good time. If 2 teammates spend the entire game arguing about inconsequential stuff, they both need to be punished. If OP has behaved in all their games like the behaved in the two provided, they deserve to be punished. --- TL;DR I think OP deserved punishment. They were mostly using the chat to contribute negatively. OP contributed to making others feel worse, while also lessening the chances of winning.
I'll repeat myself, if you think this is toxic you have a low standard of what toxic is. If you're gonna get banned, and a perma ban at that, it needs to be far worse then calling someone salty. It's a competitive game and people are going to shit talk, that isn't toxic. Taking things too far, tossing slurs around, death threats, feeding intentionally, those are examples of toxic behavior. It must be nice living in that world of cupcakes and sunshine where you think the only thing that someone should type is positive, pat on the back behavior. Hell, maybe you're right and we should all just be circle jerking each other till positivity flows never ending but that doesn't matter since we live in a world where mistakes happen and a line needs to be drawn where it counts. Setting REASONABLE boundaries is important, unrealistic goals and expectations will only leave needless disappointment in it's wake. The guy doesn't deserve a gold star for good behavior but he sure as hell doesn't deserve a ban.
Xidphel (NA)
: >you'll be hailed as a prophet. Bullshit. Closest thing I'm hailed as is a witch.
Naedox (NA)
: I've read this about 7 times now and the more I read it, the less I understand (partially due to the sophisticated vocabulary involved) :P I apologize if my wording is fragmented (English was never my first subject in school). Judging by the inquisitive(?) questions you asked, I can safely answer that yes, they take all the resources for themselves so their allies can't have it and put it to a better use. I swear, it must be _hella_ painful to constantly have an open mind and give the benefit of the doubt because even though there's indisputable proof that this guy is guilty, he's technically still innocent. I can understand all the flaws of a system like that, but I'm not sure how to put them into words. As for people themselves, and I think this especially applies to most of the lower elo players, they see themselves as perfectionists and and that their ego is greater than their IQ. It irks me to hell and back (And back to hell _and back_) how people can just act like this and be rewarded. From my experiences I feel as if reporting only does so much...I've been (self) taught that nothing I say/do matters...
Basically what the other guys is saying is intent is hard to prove because there's alot more that could be going on, there's alot of factors involved and "indisputable" proof is pretty hard to come by with the things you're expressing. Some people are just bad and when you look at them and assume they have an equal understanding of game mechanics as you it can be frustrating. Sometimes you have to keep in mind that people have vastly different comprehension of the game. What looks like an obvious trolling to you could just be a guy not understanding their impact on the team.
Avadr (EUNE)
: On eune u just got reported becouse u didnt do well ingame, people flame with vulgar words at you and after it reporting for behaviour. I do not use a vulgar words against others, even i do not use them ingame, even i do not use even it in real life. Im calm person, sometimes i use criticism to try improve some teammates but its rarerly used, most of time im playing on myself eventually writing to do something as a team thats all i do after last warrning. If you could even seen a chat ingame "Game 2" u wouldnt belive that i could get reported here, my whole family was flamed by these duo players, where i was calmly trying to get us together, and make that atmosphere a little better for us all. Even here u can see that i've mostly do not responded to their acts of bad behaviour. At "game 1" i would say that i've been pesimistic about a game and was wondering why that lux says thats my fault, when she picked a support after enemies support. She called thats my fault becouse i did not banned blitz, but she didnt even asked for it. Ive been frustrated here, mostly i do not go even to discuss with other people, but i went here.. sadly its really the one thing that was helping me with my problems, where i could do not thinking about my psychic problems. Still people report for everything, i do not flame and do not respond? < - reported, ive been reported even in games with chat restrict becouse i didnt do well, my mother was flamed and ive got reported, becouse i didnt responded. Thats happening for real? Ive played not for so long, ive spend all my money into account becouse it was making me satisfied, to play, where i could do not think about nerve palsy. I was adding every month like 10-15k rp to account, suddenly after every time i added i got like few hours after a ban, that was wird to. I've do not deserved it, especially when players which using vulgar words to others do not get banned. In one ban for chat restrict, ive responded to them in civilized person would do, without any vulgar words, or without offending them so i do get reported by both.. I think these games which are showed arent good arguments to give a permaban, i did not even used vulgar words i do not offended others, when i was feeling frustrated and ive been not nice to others i even said that im sorry for my pesimistic behaviour and i wished them all best. Thats the one thing which i could get reported. That game nr 2 was really some sort of joke, i did not flamed even once, i did not offended, anyone here. I was one of three people offended by these duo players.
Yea dude, I feel ya. The ban doesn't seem justified in the least. You handled being flamed better then me that's for sure. I hope Rito reconsiders their ban because this is some bullshit they're pulling.
RallerenP (EUW)
: When you try to give context after each line in the chat logs it makes them frustratingly difficult to read. You are on thin ice after a 14-day ban. Even 300 games after, if you haven't shown yourself to be completely reformed the system can permaban you. In those 300 games there has probably been lots where you were toxic, but not enough to warrant punishment. The system keeps these games for a while and if you keep being like that eventually it will punish you. Since you were on your last warning, you get permabanned. > I hope that one game from more than three hundred games played will not determine that I will lose the opportunity to play It wasn't one game, it almost never is. You even have two games of chatlogs provided. It's probably been more than just those 2 games even, but the system wanted to see if you just had a patch of bad games, but after seeing you were consistently mildly toxic it decided to punish you. This is what happens for most people. (Except they mostly go from no punishment, to 10 game chat restrict)
If this is what you consider toxic then you have low standards lmao. If he had quite a few of these games then it still shouldn't go towards a ban. I didn't see anything that was toxic in what he was saying. Asking questions, giving advice, ect, ect. None of that looked very toxic to me.
Torinux (NA)
: This game has become a cesspool for the toxic, and I'm not talking about the ones that throw "offensive insults" to trolls that deserved it, but the PASSIVE or NAIVE toxicity from those who say no word, but their actions are more toxic than mere words. The report system caters to trolls, they know Riot won't check on the whole match to see if you trolled, int'ed, did nothing helpful. All their system (automatic) when you get reported for verbal abuse does. is to check for offensive words, and if you wrote down a lot, then you gonna get punished then banned. I'm the first to accept that I throw insults to TROLLS, you can see miles away who's really trolling and who's doing really bad but trying his/her best. And I know I might get reported, but sometimes, you can't avoid getting pissed, you just can't. Any Rioteer can go and check my chat logs, I don't care, I said what I said to whoever earned it, and they can check too, that I've been in games where we either won or lost with tons of people feeding yet I said nothing about. This is a game that should be catering towards players that actually want to get better, not the ones that like to troll for the shizz and giggles. I know this is a game, but it's a game that is considered an E-Sport now, isn't it? and in every sport, "insults" and "offensive words" are thrown among team players, any one of us that has been involved in "real sports" know it, and no one gets BANNED for mere words, that's why the MUTE function exists, if I'm doing real bad and someone start to trash me, all I do is hit the mute button if I'm in no mood to see my chat window scrolling up with insults. Sadly, you can't mute trolling nor stupidity. Remember the old days where you were able to send files to Riot player support? Those were such an amazing days! but lets be honest here, the main toxicity starts with the FORCED ROLES feature, and here is were my main grudge against this game starts. And I hope a Rioteer is able to answer me this: If someone is forced to do a role they don't like (Support or ADC most of the time) and they instantly pick a champ that has nothing to do with support just to troll and force someone else to dodge... Why should be ME (or anyone) the one(s) being punished for a troll action? yes being punished with queue dodge penalties in order to avoid LP loss is stupid. I barely have time to play nowadays (2 or 3 matches per day, 4 in very rare occasions), and I hate when I have to dodge two or three times and then I won't be able to play that day. But that ain't all, sometimes, trolls or people that was forced to fill, do actually pick a support or whatever role, and then, they proceed to feed or do absolutely NOTHING for the team and bang! there goes my LP. Sometimes, even trying to give advice to someone, or when you ask someone to stop doing the same mistake over and over in the most polite way, triggers the said player and he/she starts to feed, not give a damn, etc. And once again you CAN'T MUTE THAT. But I hate the most, are the ones that play ranked, and they don't give a damn and say "I don't care if I lose, it's just a game man", that's stupid and should be punished with them not being able to join ranked games anymore. I want to get better, I ALWAYS try my best to do my role efficiently and help others to get better, but you just can't, when all you get is people like this, people that don't care about getting better at the game and thus they sink others. You can say "hey then play with friends" but what if none of my friends like this game? If we use this logic, solo/duo queue, should be removed right? All in all, we can't deny, this game is getting worst, it turned into a game were you get punished for trying to get better, you get trolled hard and God forbids I let an "offensive word(s)" slip through my lips because I will be double fvcked. Mark these words, words can be muted through a button/function, but the passive toxic actions of the ones that WON'T DO NOTHING "WRONG" a.k.a feed or afk, but won't help the team on purpose are way, WAY more toxic than anything one can spit out of the mouth in the heath of a trolled match and sadly, there is NO WAY one can prove they were doing it on purpose, that's why I brought back the days were we were able to send proof to Riot via player support. Sure, I can hit the NEGATIVE ATTITUDE but unless Rioteers go through the whole match replay, those trolls won't get banned anytime soon.
I agree with most everything you're saying. I disagree with the need to dodge a non-ranked off meta pick(If it's ranked and your ADC picks Garen then yea dodge the fuck outa that). I play alot of blind pick and just fill and when I've had several games with people just playing like asses I tend to just pick something instead of picking something to practice because it's just exhausting to deal with feeders and trolls all the damn time. But yea, other then that I agree with you. I generally try not to put on blast someone that is trying but just isn't that good(Like they take advice well and they actually try to improve, because it's about everyone getting better, yea? :3). However the people that just try to superman their way to victory(running in to a 2v5 or other unfavorable odds) or just trolls in general are a real strain to deal with. I do try to keep foul language to a minimum but that's because it tends to work myself up and it's not really helpful to team moral but there's always gonna be a time where I snap, when the levels of stupid exceed my tolerance. Thanks man for your feedback, it's really nice to see people still commenting on this. <3
: > I don't respond well to others being disrespectful idiots. ------------ >Don't be an idiot and just mindlessly agree with Rito incredibly stupid call me when you have some basic comprehension In trying to explain why I think you were banned, I've not insulted you once. Despite wanting to be treated with respect, you've insulted me in each of your replies. I've said all I have to say on this matter. Good luck on the Rift.
Look, you might not get what you're doing and being ignorant of ones actions is not an excuse to let it slide. Cherry picking to suit your agenda makes you an idiot. Anyone cherry picking so they can have a point where there would never be one otherwise is an idiot. If you or anyone else that does this(riot included) find it offensive that I'm calling them an idiot for doing something so moronic and unjust then YOU should change. The one calling you out on it, me in this case, is not to blame for you picking at a phrase and taking a look at a fraction of what's being said and saying, "Well you said a word I didn't like so you're a bad, bad man," is the epitome of the type of stupid I'm talking about. Riot does the same thing, taking what one person says, voiding it of context to suit the, "Look, you're being toxic!" agenda they're pushing. This is not okay, never was okay and never will be. Context matters and people, you in this instance, that sees context as nothing more then a barrier to your point and opts to ignore it entirely are the problem. Also, if you don't like being called stupid then be less stupid. I can use other words other then stupid, such as saying your arguments are an incoherent mess but I prefer the direct approach and thus where we are. Also also you kind of proved my point in that one quote, you're being a disrespectful idiot and here I am putting you on blast. Funny how that works. Hopefully your more competent at the game or I shudder to think at what your teammates are going to have to be put through.
: You advance in honor by being sportsmanlike. You even advance if you don't say anything in game. Your progress is slower if you have negative games and punishments. If you've been honor 0 for some time, then you may have toxic chat, just not enough to get you a punishment. >I should be able to have a little bit of wiggle room to retort to disrespectful comments Usually, I'd agree with you, but you're coming off a 2-week ban. If you haven't reformed and have another bad game, you could end up with a permanent ban.
See, that's my point. I'm generally quite sportsmanlike aside from a few instances when I go over the deep end. I know I went overboard when I contacted Rito and they basically said, "You told someone to 'KYS' and we don't support that so that's why you got banned."(I paraphrased a bit but you get the point) And aside from my salty disposition(no one really like to be punished and I'm no exception) I'd have to agree. I went overboard and I feel like the ban was justified. However if the behavior has stopped and the punishment time has ended then should I not be subject to a more..... just punishment? Maybe I'm just not seeing something here but it doesn't feel like loosing honor for months on end is reasonable. I really have no choice but to take it and deal with it and that's the worst feeling of all. I'm not going to stop snapping at someone for saying something stupid, it's going to happen. What I will do, however, is keep in mind what I'm saying and I feel like that's kind of the point. I tend to mute a lot of toxic people but it doesn't stop the initial stab and that has a tendency to linger. A few games in a row of super toxic people and I'm liable to snap and I'm sure most people would to some extent. What comes of it is what's important I think, what you say/end up doing as a result of snapping. Rant aside, thanks for your feedback, it's always nice to bounce ideas off people and get their opinions.
: Context only explains why you said what you said. It never explains whether it was ok to say these things. So no, context isn't important. Their chat is irrelevant because your chat is your responsibility. You aren't held responsible for their actions, and others aren't held responsible for what you said. I'm not trying to blame you for everything that happened in game, just for what you typed. And blaming that on anyone else but yourself is just going to bring you back here. Finally, saying you're going to give up is demoralizing to the team. It isn't helpful, and it's negative.
Context does matter, it's the difference between self defense and murder. The guy came at me with the intent to kill so I defended myself which resulted in him dying. Using your logic it matters little and the fact that I killed a man should be punished regardless of context. People instigating matters and saying it doesn't is just plain silly. Your logic remains faulty, call me when you have some basic comprehension.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: I don't think you were toxic enough to get banned imo , I mean , your way of talking was a bit of something I dislike , even in the thread , but , yeah that's not really enough to get you banned comparing to people I get who wish Death for my family and making fun of some of my private stuff and they still play till now I really hate the way you talk " Don't know the exact english word " but banning you wasn't fair imo
I agree, but that should be fairly obvious from my opinionated comments thus far x3 I try not to keep most hostile things to myself in most games but this one got a bit under my skin, and a few years ago my tolerance was quite a bit lower then it is today so these outbursts were a bit more frequent. Though, aside from my bleach comment I don't feel anything that I said was hyper offensive to the point of requiring disciplinary action. If there is one good thing that's come out of this whole ordeal is that it brought some things to light about myself that I wasn't really even aware of till recently. It has been a decent point of reflection and I am grateful whenever anyone calls me out in a reasonable manner. However, I disagree with the arbitrary time frame of the punishment. The whole "Be a good boy long enough and you'll get your honor back" is far too unclear and much to subjective for me to accept. Thanks for taking the time to comment, every bit of legitimate criticism of the situation really does help. <3
Ulanopo (NA)
: I'm sorry you found my advice unhelpful. It's difficult explaining systems to someone when that person is committed to a specific understanding and perspective regarding them. You feel you should be able to advance in Honor despite what you consider to be minor and infrequent offenses. I won't argue your opinion, but you should realize that's incompatible with how the system works, which is ultimately the problem. It's important to focus on what the system considers honorable - and dishonorable - behavior. It is a reflection of the community, after all. For what it's worth, I'm not offended by anything you have said. I get that you're frustrated.
If you could explain what the system thinks of as honorable that would be a helpful starting point. No foul language? No berating of anyone else? No responding to when these things are being done to you? Having a basis of an understanding is helpful to understanding these systems. I'd also assume that the system is even more sensitive due to me being on the radar now as I can't imagine that all of the toxic players I've met have dishonorable status and they are always far more disrespectful then I. Really all I got from what you were saying is to play more games. Because you said, "You don't level up simply by avoiding being a jerk. Honor represents consistently positive play. Consistently being the operative word there." Which if I understand what you're saying it simply means I need to not be an ass(which is still stupid as all hell, I should be able to have a little bit of wiggle room to retort to disrespectful comments) and to play lots of games so the system can see me not being an ass. I've been playing games and I don't really have many moments of me loosing my temper and going off on people, hence my confusion as to why I'm still sitting at 0 out 3. I appear to meet your requirements and thus it makes little sense as to why I haven't made more headway. This whole thing is just a damned headache and I can't just take some medicine to make it go away. *sigh*
: >This game is not me harassing anyone to the point in which I should have been given a punishment, hence me making this thread. Looking for a problem where there is none is dumb. I disagree. Here's 44 of your 115 lines. >RikuXI: Nid fed her twice. RikuXI: Three times now. RikuXI: I may have fucked up at the start but least I didn't try the same shit three times. >> RikuXI: YA FED HER RikuXI: MIDS DONE KIDDO RikuXI: Pro tip, Uninstall league. RikuXI: No I think she's new/bad RikuXI: or both RikuXI: I was doing fine till nid fed you two kills. RikuXI: So it's not my bad. RikuXI: It's nid. RikuXI: Ya, because ya fed lux 4 kills. RikuXI: Ya want a prty prize for ending my lane? RikuXI: The prize is bleach by the way, drink up. RikuXI: If you'd be so kind as to report nid for being mighty unsportsmen like. RikuXI: Ya don't have to but she was a %%%%, just sayin'. RikuXI: You fed RikuXI: 4 kills? RikuXI: 5? RikuXI: In what RikuXI: 10 minutes? RikuXI: 8? RikuXI: The fuck you want me to do with you givng free gold RikuXI: She didn't just feed. RikuXI: She turned into a vending machine for this lux RikuXI: Like RikuXI: You have to be brain dead RikuXI: to think RikuXI: the same thing RikuXI: will work three times in a row. RikuXI: I play league to do two things. RikuXI: My best. RikuXI: And have fun. RikuXI: Nid took both those things RikuXI: So fuck this match. RikuXI: Don't pretend that you feeding mid RikuXI: Doesn't impact your team. RikuXI: Literally nid gave them a free lane. RikuXI: "That wall looks like it could use a spear!" RikuXI: Throws skill shot at nothing RikuXI: "Mission accomplished" RikuXI: lmao RikuXI: This nid is clearly plat :^) These lines are all directed at the jungler, insulting her, telling her to drink bleach, and calling her a %%%%. I don't really care if you went AFK, that you threatened to was enough. >RikuXI: I'm gonna ff@20. RikuXI: this is over at the 12 minute mark lmfao RikuXI: 6 more minutes boys --------------------------- >It truly has been an amusing experience reading all these comments and seeing how the community seems to blindly put their faith in Rito and not their fellow player. You forget that you said these things to a fellow player, and that you were reported by fellow players. This system is rarely wrong in doling out punishments. It was not wrong this time either.
Me saying I'm gonna surrender at 20 is not me threatening anyone, I said that I was done with the match and stating my intentions. The only thing I'd agree with is that me telling her to drink bleach was a tad extreme but context matters and the fact that you get only my text really makes it hard to understand the situation. My retorts are harassment to an extent but as I've said in other comments I don't respond well to others being disrespectful idiots. Basically I opted to say nothing that game and was attempting to focus on just playing and the nid comes and dies feeding my lane even more(I ended up fucking up as and giving a kill or two and I was trying to focus on farming to make it back into the game). As a result I lost my temper and responded with a bit of mild insults till things escalated and wound up in the state it was by the end of the game, aka me telling her to drink bleach. Throwing all the blame on me is easy but incredibly stupid. If you feel that's appropriate then that's your problem in not understanding context and individual responsibility. The system of taking all of what one player has said is essentially cherry picking, loosing all context and sense of how bad the situation is and it enables the ability to shit the blame on to the one person you can see, in this instance me. It's important to take a step back and understand these things so you can make an accurate assessment and not this half assed one that you seem so fond of. In regards to, "You forget that you said these things to a fellow player, and that you were reported by fellow players. This system is rarely wrong in doling out punishments. It was not wrong this time either." I'd disagree with you and I would point out how you're wrong ect ect but I've done that and you're clearly not going to change the way you think so I'm not gonna waste my time any more then I already have. Enjoy your bias and faulty logic m8.
zoliking (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eYVXONML,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-08T17:42:41.251+0000) > > Playing Off Meta is not trolling. If they are playing to win then Janna top is perfectly fine. You don&#x27;t even need team&#x27;s permission. How nice of you to declare that. This is a team game. Everybody is assigned a role that they need to do. Not all champions can do all the roles. You can't arbitrarily pick any champion to any role, because your team relies on you to do your part on it. If you pick a champion that you know is not a valid pick for the role, you are assisting the other team, by immediately weakening your own. You especially cannot troll pick if you are the jungler, the support or the adc, because not only do the rest of the team rely on you in a general manner, but other players' ability to their parts is directly influenced by you being able to do yours. Let me give you an analogy: if you are on a SWAT team and the guy who is supposed to cover your back on an operation announces that he finds the idea of fighting with a fly swatter funny and therefore intends to do so, you won't be likely to go along with it. Troll picking is one of the worst kinds of screwing with your team and is only acceptable if you have your team's consent. If you want to make all your choices arbitrarily without consideration for anybody or anything else, there are plenty of single player and 1v1 games out there to entertain you, but you don't belong in a team game.
Not even close my man. Everyone is forced into a lane by the meta. You can all go mid or all go bot or all go some silly ass build and try to pull out a win that way. Your main stance is if you don't play the meta you're not prioritizing winning over everything else and if you're not prioritizing winning over everything else you're trolling and thus should be punished. That's not how it works my friend. Winning is something you strive for but the HOW is important and the meta is not the only path to victory. Hell even if it was simply prioritizing over all fun and satisfaction over winning is reasonable. Having fun is why a lot of people play games, other people like to win over everything and most people will pick both fun and winning when possible.
: Dude my first instinct when reading this is "I hope I never have to play with this person". You're just being a dick the whole time. I don't care if someone is playing poorly or feeding or anything, acting that way will never make the situation better. Your tilted ass temper tantrum attitude is a free win to the other team. Every time.
You can't see what anyone else was saying to me but if I remember correctly they were play, and playing, like a total %%%%. It was just the Nid to, pretty sure everyone agreed that the nid was being super toxic and the enemy team agreed to report me after the game because I spent the last few minutes of the match typing instead of playing because I didn't feel like trying to stall out the game. It was a long time ago so I may be remembering incorrectly but calling someone out when they play poorly to the extent that you ruin the game for someone else isn't a bad thing. Shifting the blame to me for being an ass after the fact is just nonsensical. Back then I was a bit more of an asshole since I played league competitively on the side and it takes its toll on you. Also, the free win to the enemy team was the nid giving out free gold and stealing gold during the laning phase. I do not have fond memories of that match, which is odd that I have any memories of that match considering the time frame.
Ulanopo (NA)
: >I decided to even cut back on my insults because you think that people on the internet don't have thick enough skin to deal with it and are dealing out punishments that far outweigh the crimes, assuming any were made to begin with. There's your problem and why you're still at zero honor. You don't level up simply by avoiding being a jerk. Honor represents consistently positive play. **Consistently** being the operative word there.
I do play consistently and if you read anything that I said you'd know that I'm generally quite the good willed chap. Why are you trying to offer me useless advice? I do understand what I need to do in it's most basic form but the real question is how much. If it was required for me to say zero things that someone might take offense of then I'd question the reasoning behind that but I don't think that's the case since I generally get people screaming disrespectful things at me every other game. I think the worst thing I've said in during this whole time frame is, "Fuck off," when someone ended the game with "gg ez" or insulted my GP in an ARAM game. I've been taking this quite seriously and I shouldn't need to play league full time for it to matter. Also you're being quite the judge here, assuming that because your precious system tagged me as a bad egg that I'm just throwing negativity around. No, if anything I get a lot of negativity from the shitty players I come into contact with not the other way around. The animosity I have in the words I express from the extended period of time in which I'm being punished. I believe I already expressed the punishment should fit the crime and it really doesn't feel like it. And I'm going to say this again since you seem to have been confused before but I play league fairly consistently, either every day or I take a break for a few days since the general toxicity of the players just i isn't worth dealing with(ironic isn't it?). When I do play it's generally two or more games, going up to 6 and generally not more then that. I don't mind being critiqued but I do ask that is reasonable and constructive or I'll just retort with sarcasm or general hostility as I'm quite prone to do.
: Still Honor lvl 0
You have to <Removed By Moderation> to get your honor back. You can be a generally positive fellow with mostly good things to say but step out of line once and BLAMO, back to square one. It's dumb af m8.
RikuXI (NA)
: Why did I get banned when I hadn't played in more than a year?
I made this post when I got temp banned because I thought it was quite unfair to be punished for mildly rude behavior at worse and the back lash I got from it was quite amusing. "You deserved it because you were mean," seem to be the extent of the argument for Rito's side but whatever. It's dumb and remains to be dumb even after my ban was lifted. Like many players I have times where I can say something rude, seldom is it unprovoked but there are some times when that's the case. They are so few that it's almost not even note worthy. I generally am either quite or just try and keep things positive but doing so for many consecutive games will have its toll on any player. My punishment was not unjustified but only in the sense that I broke the EULA(Which you can do by basically saying anything mean or offensive, which should encompass most league players). It truly has been an amusing experience reading all these comments and seeing how the community seems to blindly put their faith in Rito and not their fellow player.
Ulanopo (NA)
: Hey, I edited your thread title because it was unnecessarily insulting. The correct answer was given to you below: your account status improves by playing games and not being toxic. If all it took was quitting for a while, everyone could get out from under a punishment without ever changing. If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification). ~ Ulanopo
I seldom cause problems for anyone and the only reason why I was slapped with this bullshit is because of a specific thing I said and not because of my overall behavior. If it was my overall behavior then it wouldn't be an issue, the occasional retort to some smug or insulting comment that gets tossed my way but nothing truly note worthy. I don't randomly insult people and I'm quite fair and reasonable but that doesn't really matter to your algorithms. It's been two months and I'm at tier 0 of 3 in your stupid ass dishonored tier. I've played plenty of games and my attitude has been fair and reasonable but fuck it, why not just beat my account over with a club when a scalpel would do. I already admitted that I was in the wrong for violating the EULA(Though to be fair most league players do, just not so bad to get your attention) and I decided to even cut back on my insults because you think that people on the internet don't have thick enough skin to deal with it and are dealing out punishments that far outweigh the crimes, assuming any were made to begin with. I don't really care for your idiotic system where I have to deal with people talking shit game after game and I have to be wary of a simple "Fuck off" comment at them because I'm not sure if that's going to impact my "progression" through this damned punishment. I'll keep on dealing with it for the simple reason that I enjoy the game, just not the people running this dumpster fire of a reform system. Oh and your comment of, "If all it took was quitting for a while, everyone could get out from under a punishment without ever changing." That's how our prison system works. You spend some time behind bars, pay your crime off with said time and continue on your marry way. If you decide to change or not is entirely up to you. Do you want to keep getting tossed behind bars? Do you want to have something more damning happen to you? No? Then don't do it. So having an arbitrary time of being punished makes about as much sense as me slamming my head into a wall. "You did this thing so you will be punished with this for X time" makes a hell of a lot more sense then this shit you're pulling. But hell, what do I know, I only have a fully functional brain whereas someone on your punishment comity clearly doesn't.
: Pretty consistent harassment of the jungler, as well as giving up (I'm afk, countdown till ff vote). This punishment seems appropriately placed.
Funny how you couldn't be more wrong. I contacted them and it was some far more recent game(one of the two games I played(Though I'm not sure if they pulled that out of their ass or not)). This game is not me harassing anyone to the point in which I should have been given a punishment, hence me making this thread. Looking for a problem where there is none is dumb. Don't be an idiot and just mindlessly agree with Rito, they are seldom right in these matters. Edit: I felt like your statement of me afking was wrong so doubled back and took a look and indeed you were. I can't remember the last time I afked in a game. Maybe back in season two and it was because something urgent came up that I needed to attend to. I'm assuming you gathered that I afked because I opened up mid then you might want to put on them good ol' thinking cap because that's not the same thing.
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: Braum needs a funny and some new skins
You might wanna try some punctuation, it really helps people to actually take you seriously.

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