: Hey! Sorry to change the topic, but I noticed a typo in Aphelios' bio and wondered if you could relay that to the right person. > An army of Solari descended upon them.All seemed lost, the Solari purging the Lunari heresy with fire and steel. As you may have spotted, there's a missing space between the two sentences. Have a nice day!
We're aware of this one, should be fixed soon :-)
: New player and looking to learn about the lore, but where do I start?
I'm appalled that no one has yet recommended you read **'Realms of Runeterra'**, much of which is geared toward folks who are looking to get into the lore/setting... {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: Can we take a minute to talk about the new Kha'Zix story, "Adaptation"?
Glad you enjoyed! This came up as one of the most requested stories ever, weirdly... Well, it's done now! And we hired Ian full time as a Rioter :-D
: how does sona communicate within the various regions of runeterra?
Right now, this is still unclear. There is certainly no commonly accepted language across ALL regions of Runeterra, let alone sign language. We default to writing everything in English, even though there's probably a remarkably varied spread of languages being spoken across various stories and such. It depends on the POV of the narration, really. A TV show which handles this really well is 'Vikings'. Even though the whole production defaults to modern English (with some accents!) you can assume when the Viking characters are speaking to each other, it's meant to be in an old Nordic language. When English characters are speaking to each other, it's in one of the old English dialects... and the French guys, and so on. BUUUUUT when they try to speak to each other, the language barrier slams down HARD, and the scene is presented from the POV of whichever characters we're following at the time - some of them speak several languages, which means they can move in and out of conversations. If we're making Runeterra a more authentic and realistic place to tell stories and play games, a major thing to consider is how the people in that world communicate. I am from the UK, and I can speak a little bit of French and German... because geographically they are pretty close by. But I can't speak Italian, Spanish, Hungarian, Polish, etc etc. I am utterly clueless with Korean, Mandarin, Japanese, etc etc. Soooooo... can someone from Ionia like Sona understand whatever language they use in Demacia? Probably, because she lives there. But can she understand someone from Shurima, or Targon, or Ixtal, or even the Freljord? That's unclear. Also, can someone from modern Shurima understand the ancient languages of their homeland? All good fodder for future storytelling! :-)
: A Rioter wishing me happy birthday? Well, that's another nice little boon. Thank you and much appreciated. Still gonna make sure people remember this, because it's that hilarious. Does anyone bring it up or give you shit for it inside the company? Any comments from coworkers?
I think there was some general amusement on the day... since then, it's hardly come up.
The Chained (EUNE)
: 5. To be honest, the climax is coming closer and closer sooooooooooooooooooo, you know what is happening! :D And I'm curious about one thing > is the "climax" of the league will be solved in the classic game or in a different format? {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
To be clear - the story of Runeterra is not expressed in games of League. The MOBA is a battle fantasy using characters from the world/setting, and storytelling is not suited to being handled within the game.
: Shitty start to my birthday because of a fight with friends that got pretty raw, and then I see this post. A much-needed pick me up, that's for sure. And yeah, after that canonizing you're gonna have to be real clear on what's a joke and what isn't. You dodged a bullet when it came to the origin of Yordles.
Sorry to hear that - Happy Birthday anyway!
Bultz (NA)
: Darkin Question's
1) I imagine the same thing that would happen if anything else entered the Void - they would be instantly unmade. 2) This doesn't seem to be a question... 3) Lux's magic? Yes. 4) I mean... yes? They are fallen god-warriors. Probably easier to just consume the host and find a new one, though! 5) Are you that eager for Runeterra to end, and all storytelling and gameplay along with it? OKAY! Bultz requested it, everyone, that's what we're going to do! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: A reminder to all what @Scathlocke canonized
Forget? We're basing the next five years of storytelling on it! {{sticker:vlad-salute}} (I am obliged to point out that this is a joke.)
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Scathlocke,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=N1GkMWKy,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-14T19:56:36.316+0000) > > I presume you've all seen the updated Bandle City page on Universe, complete with some brand new artwork and explanations of yordle glamour? Of course, but there are many things still yet to be revealed about the Yordles we know! We have one Yordle who has interestingly joined a group of the most spiritually-connected humans out there {{champion:85}}, another with connections to both his home city and Piltover, leading us to not even know where he resides at the moment {{champion:42}}, and of course, {{champion:17}}. I don't think I need to say any more about him. But I should hope you have exciting things in store for us with ALL the Yordles, and coming as soon as it can come. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
If *I* lived in a magical realm outside time and space, we could have done all of this already... {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=N1GkMWKy,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-05-14T19:29:27.982+0000) > > Was hoping Riot would take advantage of the whole map thing and put a bunch of little Bandle Portals on the Map each with artwork and actual facts about Bandle city, how it came to be, what its' actually like there show us some new art. > > We didn't learn anything new from either of these stories. We already knew Yordles use glamor to hide their appearance and we already knew Bandle City has a "timeless quality". The only thing this update did was establish Tristana and Lulus background which are roughly the same as they were before. > > Been waiting since we thought Neeko was a Yordle for this? On the bright side, since we have some grounded information on what Bandle City is now and how it came to be, perhaps this could lead to more Yordle bio updates and short stories down the line. I'm just waiting to see the hilarity of the Teemo-Tristana-Rumble love triangle in action. Also, we had two patches since the last lore update; Riot better give us some big dumps from here on out to make up for it!
I presume you've all seen the updated Bandle City page on Universe, complete with some brand new artwork and explanations of yordle glamour?
: Can a Rioter confirm if we'll get more Bandle City stories now that Yuumi is confirmed Bandle?
Thorgram (EUW)
: "Awaken is canon, and in happening in present time" - Scathlocke
A slightly misleading title for this thread, guys. I'd urge everyone to read what was ACTUALLY said, because it's not this.
ChunLii (NA)
: Merely a few weeks ago they stated it **MIGHT** be canon in the **FUTURE**. They already went back on their word.
You should probably read what I actually said, then.
Falrein (EUW)
: Always with the Star Wars comparison, huh? :p
: If you're going for moral ambiguity, Darth Vader is one of the worst people you could have gone with. He's evil. Everyone thinks he's evil besides a bunch of idiots who prefer aesthetics to actual morality.
Darth Vader is unquestionably the villain for much of the story, but he's not the evil mastermind he was originally shown as. He did some utterly abhorrent things, for selfish and spiteful reasons... and yet, he is considered redeemed "in the eyes of the Force" or whatever, by the end. It's far safer to assign the terms "hero/villain" or "protagonist/antagonist" to stories. We are building stories here, not moral judgements designed to tell people how to live their lives, in the real world. Basically, if ANY character wakes up in the morning and thinks "What's the most evil thing I can do today?" then that's a hard pass from me, friends.
UomoAfide (EUW)
: That's... like the worst possible example you could choose...
Hard disagree. He was the original villain. He was the ultimate evil guy. Then his story developed over two sequel movies, where he ultimately tried to atone for what he had done. Then loads more stories built out the depth. Then the prequels, etc etc. So. Was Darth Vader good or evil? Discuss.
: Yeah in Europe we don't think that purging an entire city because of a single killer is something a holy figure representing justice would do_(*)_, maybe in NA you are used to this sort of things... (Are we seriously going to take nationality in account now?) Anyway you didn't answer again and again it's a "we want to shuffle the stereotipes" mantra. _(*) If you want to propose actually a good reason behind a so extreme action maybe you should take a look at Warcraft 3._
: I'd argue that Mordekaiser would be considered evil no matter how you spin it. Same goes for Eve even if she herself doesn't think herself to be evil.
If only we were somehow able to dig into Mordekaiser's backstory, and find out what he actually did to make most of the world think he was a terrifying villain... Also, hi. {{sticker:leblanc-funny}} {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
Quepha (NA)
: It seems silly to completely throw away these concepts for the entire roster when they are important elements of myth and legend. Maybe nuance is appropriate for describing the actions of a nation that has many complex goals, but for some individual characters it's fun to play a valiant hero or an irredeemable jerk. You can't really argue that Singed had a good excuse for his experiments and there's really no reason to try and justify them because the people who like Singed like him BECAUSE he is a jerk.
: Ok, then why **once again** the angelic figure gets dehumanized and goes into a zealous rampage while the "dark character" gets to be the more human like again? You did good on 2 dimensional stuff with Kayle making her just a zealot. I'm pretty tired of these "it's relative" answer because it approaches only half of the issue. You guys are making the hard work to make even Darkin relatable while making any "holy" figure detached by anything human-like and what is usually defined as good morals in order to turn them into zealous rampaging fire breathers that want to eradicate the mortals because they are impure. Edit: I wanted to add a good example of Riot writing that offers non 2-dimentional characters who actually offer a relative look on good and evil: Jayce and Viktor. Those 2 are well done because have fallacies and virtues that create a good contrast without making one of them entirely a good/bad guy. This means that you are able to do it, it just looks like you **don't want** to do it when certain factions/creatures are involved.
You're suggesting that everyone agrees with you, which data shows us is not true. Even this argument is relative. What you, in EUW, consider "good" might not be what other players/cultures in other real-world regions consider "good"... and vice versa. We're aiming to create a globally resonant fantasy setting.
: I think it's an overreaction to trying to "fix" the old lore. It used to be that Demacia WAS the shining city of justice and good, while Noxus was Discount Mordor with a straight up skull-shaped hill and like one redeeming quality for every 3 citizens. People presumably complained about how boring and stereotypical that was, so Riot went "shoot dude you're right, let's fix this" but then they went too far in the other direction. Can't believe I'm agreeing with the Kinkou about anything, but the lore needs to reach some balance in between the old "light good dark bad" and the new "light bad dark good" deal.
How about "good meaningless, evil meaningless"? Light and dark and subjective, too.
: Riot writers, what do you have against the "usual" good guys?
As we've said many times - "good" and "evil" are relative, and we're not aiming for such 2-dimensional tropes anymore.
: Well. Quinn's lore is older, so...
Also, just because people in Runeterra believe something, doesn't mean it's true...
Opop (EUW)
: Kinda confused at Kayle's lore in relation to Quinn's
: Why do the good characters almost always get turned evil in someway in league? Kayke and garen come to mind. I think it's not a healthy concept to keep enforcing. Kaylee shouldn't be representing a superiority complex, she should be representing the good form of Justice, and Morgan should be made out as evil, as she is an actual devil (fallen angel) and rebelled against good
Because "good" and "evil" are relative, and we're not trying to create those kinds of 2-dimensional tropes anymore.
Rodsquad (EUW)
: Voidborn stories and updates.
We got you, friend. THE VOID RECOGNISES ITS OWN.
Falrein (EUW)
: List of missing bios and color stories
Yeah, we have a spreadsheet... ;-) It also includes what we're currently working on, which is not visible from outside Riot. SUCH WONDERS WE HAVE TO SHOW YOU.
: Sorry, long rant ahead. In terms of Malzahar's lore, I love the Lovecraftian influence it has as much as the next Joe. Yet I have a really big problem with his character, despite being updated already, it has left an impression of unfulfilled potential. Obviously, that is because the only lore Malz has is his biography, giving us very brief (dear I say shallow) comprehensions of what were his motives; why and where do they come from? Among other elements that bio's simply can't delve into. I love your fluff about cosmic horror but from my perspective, it's just that- fluff being projected onto the character. Yet very little of these elements you've discussed have been sufficiently incorporated/represented in Malzahar's lore. Take Brand for example, a character that the writers actually fleshed out his origins with extensive detail and they presented us with why such a (fairly common archetype) villain became what he is. Kegan had a pretty rough upbringing, his motives to obtain magical artifacts is a desire to become powerful and do what he could not when a child; to no longer be vulnerable. He hated being seen as inferior and certainly didn't want to be insignificant. This was all presented through stories outside the brief information his biography gave us, which had fleshed him out enough at least, to make for a sensible villainous being.
I think your definition of "long" might differ from mine... :-P But am I understanding correctly, your biggest complaint about this champion is that we haven't yet done any actual storytelling with him?
: Personal preferences aside, I think the Void is the coolest and most thematically coherent faction right now (if it can be called a faction?). This is probably due to extremely good writing by various Lovecraft fanboys, but still, we need more. Is there a Malz colour story on the way? I'm giga hyped if yes.
: @Riot Question about the Void.
In short, I really hope we can dig into the lore for the Void and Voidborn more this year, as you're not the only one with questions. I think the one important thing to remember is that the creatures in the comic are, like, "newborn". That is not their final form or anything like that. The Void is not an upgrade, and will corrupt and change over time. The Watchers... well, that's a different matter altogether... (literally!) ;-)
Cetri (NA)
: This. I can make my peace with Lux/Demacia being walked back timeline-wise, but I still feel that the new bio is written very... _dryly_, for lack of a better word. Just compare the previous description of when Lux was attacked by the sabrewolves: >As the last light of day sank in the west, her horse lost its footing on a patch of ice and fell, breaking its foreleg. Lux was stranded; too far from the nearest town to reach it before nightfall, and too distraught at her mount's pain to leave him. She knew what Garen would say: kill the horse swiftly to end its suffering. But Lux couldn't bring herself to kill a mount she had ridden since she was a child. As Lux prepared for a night alone on the mountain, a lean and hungry sabrewulf pack, scenting the horse's blood, descended from their dens in search of fresh meat. > >As night fell and Lux had still not returned home, her father and Garen rode out to find her. They searched all night, and eventually found her the next morning, shivering and alone next to her frightened horse. The corpses of six sabrewulfs surrounded her, their fur scorched and flesh seared. Lux refused to speak of what happened and begged her father to rescue her beloved steed. A wagon was dispatched from the family home, and the horse was saved as Lux nursed it back to health. > >Since that night, Lux knew she possessed abilities beyond those of everyone around her: abilities the people of magic-averse Demacia would view with hatred. Since a babe in arms, Lux had been taught that magic had once brought Runeterra to the edge of annihilation. Her own uncle had been slain by a mage, and Demacia's folktales were replete with stories portraying sorcerers as twisted servants of evil, that told of how even the purest heart could be corrupted by magic. Would she become evil? Was she an abomination to be killed or exiled beyond the great wall? Fear and doubt gnawed at Lux, and she spent many nights squeezing her eyes closed, clenching her fists to stop the light rippling from her skin. To the new one: >Riding home one fateful night, Lux and her horse were attacked by a ravenous sabrewulf pack. In a moment of fear and desperation, the young girl let loose a torrent of magical light from deep within her, routing the beasts but leaving her shivering in fear. Magic, the terror of Demacian myths, was as much a part of Lux as her Crownguard lineage. > >Fear and doubt gnawed at her. Would she become evil? Was she an abomination, to be imprisoned or exiled? At the very least, if her powers were discovered, it would see the Crownguard name disgraced forever.
We have word limits, and we are now working to quite strict style guides that place a very clear separation between bios and stories. A bio should be informative, like a characterful encyclopedia of that champion to help onboard people. They should not be stories, and anything that could be told in a story, should be :-) Plus, some of the older bios are REALLY long, for comparatively little info. We can use those words better.
: Hah. You got me there then. I may give it a read on my lunch. End result: Meh. Not terrible, still nothing that really makes me interested in the setting. More about how subjugation is bad. Demacian law still looks cartoonishly evil. Main character was fine. And come now, "scale mail?" An outdated terminology. Mail just means rings. It's not plate mail, it's just plate. It's not scale mail, it's just scale.
You're attempting to school two Brits and an Australian who lived in the UK, on armour...? A bold move! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Cetri (NA)
: Hey, is someone on the Sylas team responsible for the recent changes to Lux's lore? Because I feel like she just got Karma'd. The lore overall feels less detailed than before, and takes out many of the more impactful moments (Is "Flesh and Stone" not canon anymore? God, I hope not. That is _easily_ one of the most touching and impactful stories League has). I feel like this was done in order to retcon out the Radiant Ones in order to makeway for Sylas's story, but if you ask me I feel that you guys could have easily made them coexist. I defend the choices you guys make a lot, but IMO this was a _huge_ step in the wrong direction, and not just because it retcons already-retconned lore.
Everything on Universe can be considered canon. 'Flesh and Stone' is still on Universe. :-) The "walking back" of the Radiant Ones is not a retcon, it's more trying to place "when is now?" in Runeterra. Lux already met Kahina, for example, by the time Sylas breaks out... but she appears not yet to be aware of any mysterious magical group within Demacia. Such a group would almost certainly be in conflict with the mageseekers, which is not a story we're ready to place at this time. So a lot of stuff is still canon (or will be canon) but it "hasn't happened yet". That's the best way to think about it. Overwhelmingly, players have requested story progression and a sense of time in the lore. We can't do that if all champions exist in conflicting states of knowledge, or if all stories just exist in a timeless splurge of perpetual "now". Cycling up to big stories and meaningful progression of the lore requires us to evaluate where (and when) every champion exists, "now". Hope that helps!
: If Sylas has a love interest, who is it? If not, who would most likely be?
I'm not sure he knows that many people on the outside, yet. Give the man a chance!
: Skin Universe Lore in 2019: Alt Fantasy, Multiverse Theory, and You
Especially since 5,000 words is not a novella... {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Scathlocke,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PHA8IPVL,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-01-14T23:15:26.407+0000) > > Certainly - the one at the top of this page :-) > > https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/race/darkin/ > > It's unlikely for now that we'd see their Ascended forms, as we aren't likely to tell stories there (then?) yet. It's also unclear whether Darkin ever stop with one fixed form, once they find hosts - it's very rarely happened in the world. Question: what exactly is going on in this picture https://am-a.akamaihd.net/image?f=https%3A%2F%2Funiverse-meeps.leagueoflegends.com%2Fv1%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fdarkin-the-great-darkin-war.jpg&resize=:1200 Is that background an army of winged Darkin? Are they humans modified by blood magic?
Your link isn't working - do you mean the image for 'The Great Darkin War' in the art gallery on that page? If so, it's not clear. They are either (multiple) winged pre-binding Darkin, or fleshcrafted mortals, as you suggested. Blood magic is something slightly different, though.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Scathlocke,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PHA8IPVL,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-14T22:18:45.227+0000) > > Is the illustration by Christopher Shy on the Darkin page not exactly that? Them returning to full power, etc? Assuming I'm talking about the same art piece, I did enjoy the art, but his art style made it a little bit hard to distinguish what they would look like. Are their current red forms going to be their final forms? Or are they going transform again? and what did they look like before the fall. I might be thinking of a different piece, if you have time to link me the art of which you speak.
Certainly - the one at the top of this page :-) https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/race/darkin/ It's unlikely for now that we'd see their Ascended forms, as we aren't likely to tell stories there (then?) yet. It's also unclear whether Darkin ever stop with one fixed form, once they find hosts - it's very rarely happened in the world.
Bultz (NA)
: @Riot can we get some Darkin artwork
Is the illustration by Christopher Shy on the Darkin page not exactly that? Them returning to full power, etc?
: > [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ngABTpyi,comment-id=0003000000000003,timestamp=2019-01-09T04:40:34.148+0000) > > Have Demacians read their own lore, for pete's sake... > Are they burning books about magic, too? I mean considering one of the stories is them burning down a village with no f*cks given I dare to say yes.
No one in the lore, reads the lore. Never confuse the level of knowledge and understanding we have as players and readers, with what the people of Runeterra know. I don't think there's many people who even have any kind of map, like we do.
: sylas is a reflection of riots poor effort to think about the consequences of new champions. Why tf do they keep doing this and why are we letting them? oh yeah riot doesnt read forum posts anymore. i forgot
Terozu (NA)
: Hey Scathe, is it possible to, like, overload petricite? Like if it absorbed enough magic, could it like, shatter?
: Gnar has no understanding of what death is? Is it due to his "age" or something else?
This is hinted in his bio. It does make sense for a primitive yordle with a fairly juvenile mindset.
Thorgram (EUW)
: Where can a normal human can live safely in Runeterra now ?
: I'm aware, but this is the first time it's been outright stated, rather than implied. Galio's lore implies that petricite absorbs magic, and even at the time Riot was saying it seemed to suppress magic. There was an implication that the suppression was not the reality, but that's not directly stating it.
Does a magnet suppress all the paperclips I dropped? Nope. But there are no more paperclips on the floor. Job done! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} This is a great example of people using something they perhaps don't fully understand, to achieve their own aims. The people of Demacia know relatively little about how petricite works, compared to any League player who has now read the lore...
: Yeah, I think it might be a contestant for the top story this year. Although Principles of Strength get a lot of votes as well. And other stories too. Damn, it really was a great year.
...which was the other story Ant wrote :-) I shall chain him to his writing desk, and squeeze every last noun, verb and adjective from his brain. FOR THE PLAYERS, ANT. FOR THE PLAYERS.
d00mface (EUW)
: About Paretha
There is no single civilization in the Shuriman jungles, that we know of. There are countless smaller settlements though - it's not uninhabited, by any means. Going by the illustrations in the Ezreal content, it would be reasonable to assume that much of it may have once been under the control of Shurima. There is an empty Sun Disc cradle at the summit of the temple, for example.
: Can we give Vel'Koz some love?
Galiö (NA)
: Galio Question
I assumed he was dabbing...
: For the record: Hand cannons: Created around 1280 Arquebus: Created around 1411 Rifling: Created 1498 Flintlocks: Created 1610 Longswords and greatswords remained in use in the military until the 1700s. Cavalry sabres and estocs (which were also called sabres for some reason) were still being used in WWI. And during WWII Katanas, Daos, and kurki were employed by Japanese, Chinese, and Gurka soldiers. Mind you, Caitlyn has -at least- a WWII era sniper, probably even more advanced. Really the major question is: How hasn't Piltover conquered the surrounding territory by now?
Why would they want to? By remaining neutral, they make HUGE profits on trade and access between east and west - and they don't risk many lives at all. War is dangerous, even if you have the numbers to do it effectively! See also: why does no one just invade Piltover and claim the Sun Gates? Then they could control the sea access, and attack whoever they wanted... The answer is perhaps not what many people think. It's super simple, actually.
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