You were perma-banned the other day .. but there were no Rioters in your game. Are you talking about another account? If so, and you think the behavior you normally exhibit is acceptable it's likely you (or your friend) were yet again banned by the system. Rioters in general have access to the same tools as players .. the report button.

> i'm interested in what you said about every offence being evaluated for severity. In your most recent penalty, you were giving your teammates shit, telling them how to play, telling your team you were going to quit at 6 mins, and telling people who are doing poorly that they are 'inting'. These things are not acceptable. They were probably evaluated at a chat restriction severity, but you receive penalties VERY frequently. You punched your 'frequent offender' card at the coffee shop one too many times. The intent of these light penalties is to show you what is unacceptable so you can change your behavior. You proved that you had no intention of changing. So .. you were given a final chance with a 14-day warning and told the next would be a perma-ban. You didn't change behavior then either, so the next was a perma-ban.

I'm not going to supply specifics of this player's penalty, but the system was not experiencing any issues.

You were correctly banned, it was reviewed by multiple Player Support agents.

You are correct. Verbal penalties and Gameplay penalties are escalated separately.

> This is absolutely not what the OP said. I'm not replying directly to the OPs comment or providing my opinion. I'm adding more clarification on the system to allow further conversation around it.

Let me add a little clarification to the tiered system. The tiered system is in place to continue escalation of chronically offending players. It is not in place to guarantee that a player receives each and every penalty available. As it stands today, every offence is evaluated for severity. After that severity is determined, an appropriate penalty is assigned. If a player has already had that penalty (recently) it will skip to the next. We do not feel that a chat restriction is sufficient for telling people to kill themselves or attacking people with hate speech (ZT).

> I bet tantrum $20 RP (like he needs it) that it was the word "Augs" that triggered it. I can't wait to get that skin when I login:-p. There was nothing that should have triggered this. The ML scores were low and no ZT words were used. I've asked our QA folks to try and repo, and our player support folks were looking for other similar instances. My guess is some sort of strange side effect from processing an Odyssey game. We take false positives like this very seriously.

This is really strange. I'll ask someone to look at it.

> if you get reported and literally did nothing, does just the actual report slow down honor progress? No. Only valid reports.

Your statement was that 'zero tolerance penalties are counter productive' and that somehow it has been proven. In fact, zero tolerance penalties do change behavior. What you are describing is an issue with the clarity of honor state for penalized players. This is known. What isn't known to a lot of players, though it has been mentioned, is that honor gains are slowed for unsportsmanlike players even when it isn't to the level to warrant a penalty. How this manifests is that penalized players are unsportsmanlike and expect to climb just because they aren't penalized. The climb in honor you need to ... be honorable. The honor system was created as a season-long progression system for sportsmanlike players. It isn't a 1-week or 1-month thing. It is supposed to take a season. Creating a new account does not help if you are exhibiting the same types of behavior.

> it's been proven zero tolerance is counter productive. What do you mean by this?

You've received over 1100 games of chat restrictions. One offensive name change. Banned 3 times. On your last ban, you were told the next would be a permanent ban. You have exhibited unacceptable behavior over and over. You have been given numerous chances to change your behavior. You did not, so your account has been permanently banned.

> Permabanned for this? lul No. You were penalized for this game. You were perma-banned because you have been warned *numerous* times and refused to change your behavior. If you'd like more details on your previous penalties I'd be happy to give them.

To be fair, someone necro'd this before me:-p. BUT, I was lazy and didn't check the date. FOR SHAME.

Now I have to call Tyler...

If you're confused about why you are chat restricted, look at Game 1.

> hey guys i was just perma banned for 1 normal game No. You were perma-banned because after 4 penalties you haven't changed your behvior. You were warned in your previous penalty that the next time would result in a permanent ban. > where i wasnt really flaming extremely or insulting anyone’s person but rather defending myself against their sulk on how You were literally the first person to type in that game, and it was a harassing statement. You then continued to harass people, not 'defend yourself' as you claim. Not that it would be an excuse in any case. > i reached d4 with 63% winrate and was recieving at least 2 honors per game i dont understand why did that 1 game deserve my account to be completely erased ? Because you've had previous penalties recently, and told the next would be a perma-ban. How many warnings do you think you should get? If you'd like further clarity you an post the chat logs for the community to give you feedback, or I can post them for you if you'd like me to.

> I felt like a chat restriction would have been more appropriate in this case. You just came off a penalty days ago, and are continuing with this behavior. To be honest, you're lucky this time was only a 14-day ban.

Leaverbuster happens when you affect the game of others by not connecting. To arrive at a 20-minute penalty that means this is at least your 3rd leaverbuster penalty in a short period of time. I understand why you'd be frustrated. The penalty serves not only to punish players for leaving but also raise awareness that loading/connection problems affect other people and should be addressed before playing more games. > I was literally playing another MMO while waiting to load into League so it's not my connection. Being alt-tabbed, or having focus on another application while loading can certainly cause issues loading. > Checked ping was consistently 60-70 which is normal ping for me. Ping, while an identifier of network performance there are others that may be more telling. Packet loss is what you are probably interested in. Are you on WIFI? > This has NEVER happened until these recent patches Have you tried running the hextech repair tool? It can help identify issues.

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> TLDR got unfairly banned for toxicity after 20 dodges and then getting autofilled Looks fair to me. Why do you feel it is unfair?

> What you are doing is grouping out good players to win few games and then grouping them with bad player so they can lose few games. > And you group people together so they can stay in their elo. I don't understand what you're saying here ... Players will win > 50% until they reach their correct place, then they will win 50% because when playing against equally skilled people you have an equal chance of winning every game. Do you think for some reason Riot puts people intentionally into games for them to lose? And then gives them easy games to win? That's not what happens.

> the fact that another account i had just got chat banned for complimenting my teammates when they died and pinging them. So you got banned for harassing your teammates? That's what the system should do. > I not once cussed or said anything negative Complimenting teammates every time they die is is being negative. You knew what you were doing, they did, and so did the system. The system doesn't look for certain words. It's not looking for 'cuss words' in a list. It's a machine learning system. > Like why have a mute feature if u don't require people to use it The existence of a mute feature doesn't give you permission to harass people. > If riot doesn't make changes this game will die in NA and eventually everywhere. Yeah ... what players really want is to be harassed. They look forward to getting home and unwinding to a nice game of 'hey noob, you are a shittter'.

> I don't trust the system. What is your concern?

I've been busy busy.

1.) "I was unjustly banned" Understand this isn't true. 2.) Don't intentionally feed 3.) Don't troll 4.) Don't harass people Follow those 3 steps and you'll be fine. If you are being matched correctly, you will lose 50% of all games. Understand that going into a game you are not guaranteed a win. If you lose, don't blame others. If someone on your team is having a bad game, don't harass them ... we've all had bad games. When I get frustrated during a game, I try to be positive and get my team to come together. I've won a lot of games that most people would surrender just by saying, "don't worry, we can win this." Or "don't worry about being down in top lane, the rest of us are doing well and you'll scale." Understand that getting angry and taking that anger on teammates is a pretty good way to ensure an LP loss, and you'll not be having fun. Some of the most fun games I've ever had (about 50%) are losses.

You were detected as a leaver on your team. So there was someone listed as a leaver on both teams. Did you just stand in the fountain and wait for the remake? You can open a PS ticket and they can look into it further.

> I get reported for trying.... No. You can't be reported for trying. Feel free to post the reform card if you'd like to discuss it.

The initial penalty of a chat restriction was manually escalated to a 14-day ban due to the severity.

> I just got perma banned without even getting a 14 day suspension or chat restriction You have had 2 chat restrictions (10-game and 25-game) and a 14-day ban. > I was honor level one and I admit was a little toxic in my last game You cannot be honor level 1 without prior penalties.

> then i stopped playing for a month straight so how did i get the penalty?? That is the game you got 14-day banned after. So of course you couldn't play for awhile after it. About 14-days or so. You can open a player support ticket if you want more info.

Late night. I had to wake up to help out with some things. But, now I'm off to bed. Diving this weekend though! Goodnight!

> i wasnt playing 2 months ago so how did i get a penalty? https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2754871113/246679611?tab=overview

> THEY PERMA BANNED ME AFTER MY ~~FIRST~~ SECOND PENALTY! You had a 14-day ban 2 months ago, and now you're telling people to go kill themselves. We have zero tolerance towards that type of behavior.

There's 2 systems at play. The machine learning system, and the zero tolerance system. They are 2 different processors. It's a bug (that I wrote) created by an oversight. Logs in severity order are given by each processor. But the logic responsible for sending which logs to display doesn't know how to reconcile the severity again each system. How does #1 most severe prioritize against #1 most severe from another processor.

The wrong chat logs were given. This is a known bug that can happen when you are banned for zero tolerance but the machine learning system thought that chat log might provide better insight. It was for the last game you played before being banned, the Pyke game. You can write in to player support and they will give them to you, or if you'd like I can post them here. > Ive had people tell me to kys and call me %%%%%% This is exactly what you did, and I saw in the logs that got you banned.

I'm confused as to what you mean. it doesn't consider anything that isn't reported.

This is not possible. The reports just flag a game for review. There has to be negative or zero tolerance chat present for be penalized for a chat related offense. We use machine learning to score your chat logs. If there is no chat .. guess what that score is? It's 0.

I try to monitor system efficacy on a number of different metrics. One of the less scientific methods, but closer to the community, is monitoring player feedback. We take false positives very seriously. When someone says they were penalized for 'no reason' and I stumble upon it I try to take a look if a have a minute.

> I was Suspended for 14 days for saying %%% as a joke to a Kha'Zix that didn't give me my penta You said it 5 times during that game. We have a zero tolerance policy towards hate speech.

> 10 game chat restriction for complaining about being camped > Would really love to get a Rioter's response for this one. > How does this qualify as trash talking That is not why you were given a chat restriction. Post the chat logs and I'm happy to discuss it, and point out what is unacceptable.

> bro honestly its after 1 game i get perma banned? No. You were banned because this is your 5th penalty. You just got off a 14-day ban less than a month ago for the same type of behavior, where you were told the next would result in a perba-ban. > Riot just doesnt understand there community You think the community wants to be harassed? It may be you who doesn't understand the community.

They will update that. It can take a few mins.

Pretty sure all this shows is that you will get banned for trolling and harassing other players. "it seems the troll really doesnt like being trolled back. too bad. so sad." "i'm not sure. maybe your parents taught you. or it could be a birth defect" "look loook. the troll likes to troll other people and cries like a baby when she gets trolled back" "i guess trolls really hate the taste of their own medicine" " i love when people troll and then cry when the get trolled back. justice" "now the troll wants to surrender. nope. you can sit here and enjoy the game you destroyed" Please tell me how this: > proves beyond any doubt that pre-made groups CAN gang up and blame one player for the loss

> Personally I use it to gauge whether or not the player is likely to tilt in a match. This is why you cannot view other players' honor.

You'll have to open a player support ticket. It's not behavior related, and the reason shouldn't be too big of a surprise to you.

You stopped playing 16 minutes into the game and continued to talk. Here are your chat logs, where you admit to giving up: [17:21] KiwiTwang (Annie): fuk u [17:55] KiwiTwang (Annie): fuk u draven [18:01] KiwiTwang (Annie): stole all my cs [18:08] KiwiTwang (Annie): gg [18:32] KiwiTwang (Annie): fuk u draven [18:42] KiwiTwang (Annie): fuk yo couch [18:55] KiwiTwang (Annie): thnx but im done [19:01] KiwiTwang (Annie): just sur [19:16] KiwiTwang (Annie): cant cs in my own lane [19:22] KiwiTwang (Annie): AWESOME [19:35] KiwiTwang (Annie): YO MAMA PASSED LANING [19:58] KiwiTwang (Annie): im done [20:06] KiwiTwang (Annie): go ahead keep taking that cs [21:20] KiwiTwang (Annie): trash' [22:07] [All] KiwiTwang (Annie): guys im done playing since draven takes all my cs [22:44] KiwiTwang (Annie): thn adc ur bot lane [22:48] KiwiTwang (Annie): not my mid [23:05] KiwiTwang (Annie): yo mama roams [23:21] KiwiTwang (Annie): im here [23:23] KiwiTwang (Annie): not afk [23:39] KiwiTwang (Annie): can fukin lane [23:42] KiwiTwang (Annie): so y play [23:53] KiwiTwang (Annie): cant [24:36] KiwiTwang (Annie): draven is bot he should cs that fukin lane [24:51] KiwiTwang (Annie): he has more cs [24:58] KiwiTwang (Annie): comes in my lane and steals shit [25:10] KiwiTwang (Annie): yeah i need that gold [25:13] KiwiTwang (Annie): but fuk me [25:19] KiwiTwang (Annie): 23 [25:21] KiwiTwang (Annie): lmao [25:27] KiwiTwang (Annie): lmao [25:32] KiwiTwang (Annie): its not ranked so idc [25:50] KiwiTwang (Annie): lol draven been even fuckin our jungle [25:55] KiwiTwang (Annie): but fuk [25:57] KiwiTwang (Annie): me [26:22] KiwiTwang (Annie): yet ive leashed red buff a hundred times never once taken it [26:34] KiwiTwang (Annie): cuz ur trash [27:00] KiwiTwang (Annie): im drunk ND tired of this bs game [27:19] KiwiTwang (Annie): on a team and they dont even help u [27:20] KiwiTwang (Annie): bs [27:36] KiwiTwang (Annie): if only i could lane [27:40] KiwiTwang (Annie): then i could play [27:48] KiwiTwang (Annie): but fuk me [27:56] KiwiTwang (Annie): BUTT* [28:16] KiwiTwang (Annie): 3 lanes [28:23] KiwiTwang (Annie): 1 for bot 1 for mid [28:28] KiwiTwang (Annie): 1 for top [28:38] KiwiTwang (Annie): yet bot goes and steals mids cs [29:19] KiwiTwang (Annie): lmao [29:35] KiwiTwang (Annie): yeah they r [art of the english language Postgame: [2018-05-20 22:43:41 PDT] KiwiTwang: LOL [2018-05-20 22:43:52 PDT] KiwiTwang: plz [2018-05-20 22:44:09 PDT] KiwiTwang: lo cuz i couldnt cs since bot lane was in my lane stealing shit [2018-05-20 22:44:26 PDT] KiwiTwang: nope like smite much more [2018-05-20 22:44:35 PDT] KiwiTwang: this game clicking shit is shit [2018-05-20 22:44:43 PDT] KiwiTwang: wasd is better [2018-05-20 22:46:34 PDT] KiwiTwang: ehh this game is trash [2018-05-20 22:46:40 PDT] KiwiTwang: fortnite is where its at [2018-05-20 22:46:51 PDT] KiwiTwang: will do [2018-05-20 22:47:02 PDT] KiwiTwang: if only i could lane [2018-05-20 22:47:08 PDT] KiwiTwang: then i wouldnt have to > UNBAN me now or it will forever be known you guys just ban people without properly looking into what had happened. You're going to stay banned.

> I am new and received a ban for intentionally feeding. this is bogus. So, do you want me to post the evidence showing your claims are BS?

You were banned because of the 9 previous penalties you've had, and the fact that you just got off a 14-day ban mere days ago. You were warned during that time that not changing your behavior would result in this.