FkValeRly (EUW)
: >basic attacks against them to deal 10% (+ 100% (+ 25%) critical strike chance) AD Attack damage how is her getting 225% damage on autos from 100% crit chance + IE any different from every other adc getting 225% damage on autos from 100% crit + IE? the only difference is that she does crit damage on every auto rather than having a chance to crit.
> **Ashe's critical strikes deal no additional damage** Every other ADC (minus Jhin) get the full passive. Just go to practice mode, pick her and build four IEs and auto a dummy. Take another ADC and repeat. Compare the damage numbers.
FkValeRly (EUW)
: ashe gains just as much damage from crit as every other adc and has since her rework, she also beats the living shit out of lucian.
According to the wiki >Frost Shot: Ashe's basic attacks and abilities apply Frost to enemies, Slow icon slowing them by 15% − 30% (based on level) for 2 seconds and causing subsequent basic attacks against them to deal 10% (+ 100% (+ {{item:3031}} 25%) critical strike chance) AD Attack damage bonus physical damage while they remain Slow icon slowed. > >Critical Slow: Ashe's Critical strike icon critical strikes deal no additional damage, but double Frost's slow strength to 30% − 60% (based on level), decaying over 1 second to its normal strength. She does not get the benefit of the 225% whereas every other ADC can. Her autos do empowered damage which is different. The only way she could possibly utilize it is by building {{item:3095}} (Yes, the item works. No, I highly advise against it unless you're just ungodly far ahead)
FkValeRly (EUW)
: > For example, pick Ashe vs any ADC or any mage or assassin. Reason she has such a low winrate kek
I feel like I meant to say pickrate or something else. I didn't exactly think through my post and she was just convenient. Still, Ashe is the most basic ADC you can get as she lacks many of the classes benefits, especially Critical Strike which she can't really utilize unless it was changed recently. Oh you get a stronger slow. Okay, good that means Lucian can stay in range of me with his {{item:3071}} {{item:3153}} and proceed to chunk me for double my damage.
Hvsao (NA)
: I don't know if its as much high skill cap or simply being in tune with the champion. I feel like I picked her up and she just felt right. I've had quite a few games and I almost always do well. Maybe its because I used to play a lot of rakan on my old account.
Probably tune with a champion as people don't just pick up a playstyle that goes completely against their nature. It's like me going from a rushdown to a neutral based character in a fighting game.
: So you're advocating that Riot censor content creators from doing what they want. Not saying Hash is cool for banning people. But you're literally advocating for a Billion Dollar Corporation to control what their unpaid content producers can and can't do.
: > [{quoted}](name=XJ99999999999999,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AsQMwEAB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-20T02:57:12.454+0000) > > its just an option. It's an option that makes you uglier and will take years and tons of money to undo. >not like these random girls you see with tattoos are your girlfriend or anything. So what? I also hate seeing dudes in skinny pants. I can still see people and have an opinion. And here's what kills me. I'm not even allowed to state my opinion on this or I'm a bad guy or a hater. I have a preference of seeing girls without tattoos. I also have a preference to be around girls who wear deodorant. Also, here's another thing for any girl reading this. Studies have shown girls with tattoos have more sex, but they also are far less likely to be in committed relationships. So choose which is more important to you.
> [{quoted}](name=AllenPCarlson,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AsQMwEAB,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-20T03:22:32.405+0000) > > So what? I also hate seeing dudes in skinny pants. I can still see people and have an opinion. And here's what kills me. I'm not even allowed to state my opinion on this or I'm a bad guy or a hater. I have a preference of seeing girls without tattoos. I also have a preference to be around girls who wear deodorant. > Hey, guys should never be wearing skinny pants ever. Don't care you can rock 'em, I with you there. I think the issue here is randomness of post and faulty of logic without any context.
: Ever notice that the only people who complain about Yuumi are the same people who believe that Brand and Veigar are inherently Support champions? The same people who consider Yuumi badly designed are the same people who facecheck bushes, and try to outpoke Jhin at low health. They're the same people that don't attempt to last hit minions, who shove waves while they're behind, who don't make use of their Dorans, who cannot for the life of them properly position themselves in fights. I do believe that Yuumi is a high skill champion, but only in reference to what the average skill level of this game is. To play Yuumi, you have to make split second decisions on where to position, who to heal, where to throw your Q, how to path it so you can get the slow off either immediately or when it's available, when to ult, where to ult, which champ to latch onto OR NOT while you ult, and much more. At the same time, Yuumi also requires high skill *allies*, which is what most Yuumi players just aren't given.
> [{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O64WIrkM,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-05-20T01:51:43.450+0000) > > I do believe that Yuumi is a high skill champion, but only in reference to what the average skill level of this game is. To play Yuumi, you have to make split second decisions on where to position, who to heal, where to throw your Q, how to path it so you can get the slow off either immediately or when it's available, when to ult, where to ult, which champ to latch onto OR NOT while you ult, and much more. At the same time, Yuumi also requires high skill *allies*, which is what most Yuumi players just aren't given. There are a lot of very skilled players, at least mechanically if not also some macro, but the problem is that people treat each game like five 1v1s instead of a 5 on 5. Don't trust your teammates, you should solo carry, one person can't win but one can lose and such. There is such an emphasis that you are the sole reason for victory and that four others are there to make you lose. I mean, if you only care about the one-man glory, there's plenty of fighting games out there.
: Am I the only one which doesn't like to play the game anymore and prefer watching it to be played ?
I'll toss on redmercy every now and again. Would love to have brofresco cause he was the jacksepticeye of League to me.
Kai Guy (NA)
: She has a pretty low skill floor. Qwer are all very easy to pick up and use. That being said... I was surprised that Her skill ceiling is quite higher then I initially expected. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Kai+guy The issue is folks need to adapt to her mechanics. A lot of players compare her to abby from HOTS. I disagree with that as some one who plays mostly just Abby in Hots. I found Pestilus from Battlerites mechanics of positioning Via infest to be a more accurate expectation for how you want to teamfight as yuumi. Theres blatantly clear differences between the two, yuumi having no duration and being able to cast ability's for example. But in game they are similar as you need to have the thought processes of where do I want to go, where do I want to be casting skill at, what is my teammate doing, what is my enemy doing? I feel thats more similar then the Abby gameplay. Where on the map should I have my hat, where do I need my locus pushing, whats a safe spot to soak up EXP, do I need to ulti for that fight over in mid?
> [{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O64WIrkM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-19T19:44:32.506+0000) > > Theres blatantly clear differences between the two, yuumi having no duration and being able to cast ability's for example. > But in game they are similar as you need to have the thought processes of where do I want to go, where do I want to be casting skill at, what is my teammate doing, what is my enemy doing? I feel thats more similar then the Abby gameplay. Where on the map should I have my hat, where do I need my locus pushing, whats a safe spot to soak up EXP, do I need to ulti for that fight over in mid? I wasn't trying to make a case of "low and high skill ceilings" but this is the point I was trying to make. I noticed a lot of people tend to favor Champions with a lot of "moving parts" to their kit and more simple ones people either struggle or despise because they themselves don't like it or don't understand it. Like tanks for example. Look at the most played champions off op.gg - Ezreal, Riven, Zed, Yasuo, Lee Sin, Vayne, Thresh, Kai'sa (yes, I realize some are OP OP, but given Sona is Freelo and nobody touches her...let's just ignore that fact for a bit). It's not until you get to rank 17 that you have your first "simple" champion that is Lux. Nautilus could be argued and you still get to rank 10, which is still almost an entire team. That's also not taking into account bans yet trying to keep this discussion simple...ish.
Rioter Comments
: Reminder that microtransactions don't inherently make games worse.
I feel like this is the same argument of when people used to tell me that "If I didn't like X part of Minecraft, simply don't use it" which bothered the hell out of me until I realized the issue. That being their inclusion comes at the cost of excluding something else. In this case, the development time of adding them in takes away from making a better product overall. Even if they are nothing more than cosmetic, you're still focusing on something else that isn't the game itself. This isn't taking into context of those that have P2W options Ultimately, a game with MTX is usually built around that, not the other way around. If it's done the other way then you're still planning on what needs to be stricken to make way for the eventual items / services.
: [Bronze player] About LeBlanc
> The tether: It's a skillshot. Just dodge it. LeBlanc's snare is much more difficult to land than Lux's, and yet nobody complains about Lux's snare. It's also got a blitzcrank-like hit box in that it always seems to latch on to me no matter how hard I try. Plus the amount of damage it gives levels 1-4 is INSANE. I remember having it land on me, from full health a tether, root, q at level 3 did close to 90% of my damage as an Ahri. As for the Lux bindng, I complain about it cause the hitbox is and has been broken for a while now. You could whiff the thing and it'll connect on anyone who happens to be on the underside of it.
: If you're a support main, what champ is your most played?
Barring Lux because she's not a support, according to my mastery lookup I apparently was a Leona main. Could have sworn I had more Sona or Nami games under my belt.
: What is the actual final step to winning the game?
If you have 3 inhibitors down and baron and can't end the game, then I have really bad news for you. You might just, quite possibly, need to git gud. I don't think there's much that could be done against three waves of empowered super minions and cannons, at least when I last played. You should be forcing a fight, but not when they have the minion advantage. Literally just stand back, have them come to you and easy win. Are you going for kills at the end? Are you grouped up, and more importantly are you with your team or jerking it in the jungle for a red buff?
Saezio (EUNE)
: Well, maybe if it was their job. Also, there is a huge spectrum between 29% winrate and "must be nerfed in the coming patches". It's not like people are whining when champs have a 47-52% winrate the first week they are released.
: Yuumi isn't bad
Because I know _someone_ is going to meme the fuck out of "lol been a week, still sub 40% winrate at Plat+" let me write a checklist of "Should they be buffed?" - Are you able to play her? ("I'm mastery Seven with a billion points blah blah" shut up, mastery is meaningless when there's no average yet. What I mean is: do you know how all her abilities work? Do you roughly know numbers and proper combos, set ups?) - What is your WR against PR? - What is your main issue? (damage, squishy, agency) - Have you tried every reasonable strategy? (played her in every lane, did full AP, full tank, Full Ad, hybrid, troll builds?) - Have you played every reasonable matchup? (against tanks, early game, late game) - Have you played with every reasonable partner? (figher, tank, ADC, APC, assassin) Basically, have you theorycrafted at all or did you watch Hashinshin complain about the balance team again for the 300th time? If you can answer most of these questions and still think she's weak then I will bow to you to state your argument.
: Everyone trying to play her as a support Meanwhile no1 sees she has a untargetability worst than vayne/fizz if she was to play adc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WETOu4sNzQ
Because she's supposed to be a support. Not to make the video pointless, but several problems 1) Challenger player 2) Challenger against anything from unranked 30 to challenger, probably high silver 3) Duo 4) Comms 5) PBE 6) Random Regions Someone will figure it out now that it's been posted. Maybe someone knows how to find the weakness for it.
: 30% winrate is...historically bad. Sure, she has an unusual playstyle and is a new release, but I doubt she's going to settle above 45% with *that* low of a winrate. Then again, I have yet to play her myself, so I'll hold final judgement until then. But based on winrate alone I'm not seeing her reaching viable status.
When you use stats from the first 24 hours, of course it's going to be historically bad. I could argue that there's a point where every champ either has a 0% winrate or a 100 depending on what side you're on. Not saying I'm an expert myself, but probably. Again, you can't really have a team-based character with a population that wants to solo carry, it just does not work at all.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Risk of Fate,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TXlV80PV,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-14T18:08:10.190+0000) > > - Picking Yasuo if he's so utterly busted Please Stop
> [{quoted}](name=Ÿåsûø,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TXlV80PV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-14T20:19:31.967+0000) > > Please Stop Never. Besides, more people should play him and dominate with him. Every lane needs a yasuo, don't be gatekeeping your OP champion.
Rioter Comments
: Playing relaxed = fine Playing just for the sake of screwing your team mates and feeding = earnt report Also I should congratulate to all the idiots who are so much of an a-hole to deserve a report in a fun mode. If you want to troll you can go alone vs AI.
> Also I should congratulate to all the idiots who are so much of an a-hole to deserve a report in a fun mode. There is no such thing as a fun mode, it's all "win or gtfo"
ProdAJ (NA)
: Telltale + League of Legends?
Hate to break this to you, but Telltale folded quite a bit ago.
Rioter Comments
: Let me clear the air here about my match history
> There is no reason, ever, to let someones match history affect how you respond to their argument. Feel like this is directed toward me, but I wasn't trying to put you down and was using it to put forth my argument. Like, I'm not one to go in without research and spew random nonsense without any sort of context. Nobody should ever work blind if they can help it. I was inviting you to a discussion, but it seems you have taken an offense to it which was not my intent. I rarely use the boards and wanted a chat, that was pretty much the innocence of my reply. As a form of apology, have a random Noel https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/37/45/f3374521c67f2a0b846eaa7c1a8433cf.png
: I CAN'T GO ANYWHERE IN FEAR OF PEOPLE THAT WILL SPOIL END GAME.
There's this handy trick called unplugging your computer.
: Zed every match
But he's nerfed so he's trash tier /s Also I saw him in twice in your last 7 games Also also GA and cleaver probably has something to do with it Also also also you're AP, he built 2 MR items and you have zero pen items.
: I used to watch that cartoon during my breakfast before school :D (It's: _Tales from the Cryptkeeper_ isn't it?)
I don't think so, it's from Scooby Doo on Zombie Island
: https://i.imgur.com/yNlQWRM.jpg(\img)
Probably because recent complaining isn't enough and people have to justify their stance by digging up a post from several years ago?
Rioter Comments
: Inspiration for new champ
Glad I wasn't the only one who remembers this show.
: I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that they don't understand champions that aren't meta?
Pretty much. I doubt anyone can understand champions when they are not meta because there are too many variables to make an exact case. Sure it's easy enough to pick out Conqueror on Riven and say "that's busted," but when one Annie rushes ROA and wins and another runs some random rune and dominates, where is the issue?
: Ban rates, win rates, meta shifts, and group psychology.
> Why don't they understand it for other champions? Easy enough to skim the top of the pool when it's full of algae, it's somewhat harder to get to the undergrowth with next to no _usable_ data when they are picked around 5% of the time and only in dire situations (one trick is banned).
KSYN (NA)
: Luck is a real skill
Luck is not a skill, overcoming luck is.
: Riot's OP line
That line needs to be shallower and the left side needs to be lowered down, if anything nears 55% win rate, there is something horribly wrong. I'm willing to let 52 be average and 53 on the stronger, but 54 and up you got something going on even if it's small pool of abusers. Maybe because I think Ahri should be closer to that given she's pretty much the most rounded mage, but that is not accounting for every single statistic in every single matchup with every single teammate she's paired with in every single role.
: >Yes, there are many, many, many, MANY cons to this... I feel like this sentence speaks for itself. Additionally, while there is a correlation between gameplay rank and gameplay knowledge, that correlation is not strong enough for us to feel the boards would benefit much from anything that could increase rank-shaming and potentially serve to lessen the value of someone's input. If people want to be jerks and look up each other's op.gg profiles to shame them, that's on them -- we have no interest in making it easier for them to dismiss the opinions or input of others based on potentially irrelevant reasons.
> lessen the value of someone's input I could argue that it would actually increase the value in some respects as you would no longer be seeing one side of a coin, but that's another topic for another time. See, my thinking was pretty much those who would have avoided X rank would not engage in the topic and reduce the amount of flaming while seeking out those in kind, but I'm trying to be a little bit hopeful that people would play nice. I mean overall things have been (slightly?) better since the removal of Best and Hot page isn't just flame threads. ######granted there are a fresh batch... Mostly tossed this in as a discussion point because nobody really talks about it and everyone lowkey judges anyway. I have zero loyalty to either camp since I don't rank anymore after realizing how pointless a PNG is.
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Mr Elessar (EUNE)
: Read that again.
That's kind of the joke.
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: Will Hashinshin ever recover from his PTSD?
Anything gives Hashinshin PTSD because if he were actually happy / enjoying himself people would instantly unfollow him. It's more interesting to trash on something than to praise it since everyone wants to be the "hipster." Never trust a guy who complains that Mages are OP when he has like no health, no vision on jungle, and decides to towerdive said mage with no minions.
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YqzUfPeH,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T01:08:14.179+0000) > > Why do you have to play the game all the time just to be able to hang out with/moderate the community? That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Not playing the game constantly doesn't completely invalidate the fact that they did, at some point, play it. > > And there's more to the lore than just the comics. Go to the universe page for once and read the hundreds of stories that have been released over the years. The community is garbage. It just seems like a cry for power, being able to have control over what is posted would feel good. Not to speak for anyone else but its just boring reading through hundreds of pages of lore with no pictures. Yes that sounds childish but its true, and on top of that most books have a large picture atleast once a chapter so that you can really see what the environment looks like.
> [{quoted}](name=Imbetterthanmoe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YqzUfPeH,comment-id=000b000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T01:14:05.414+0000) > > The community is garbage. It just seems like a cry for power, being able to have control over what is posted would feel good. > As an ex-forum mod on another site, not really no. It's probably the most boring thing that you could do and I used to moderate chats.
: LEAK FROM THE NEW CHAMP YUUMI!!!!!
Oh look, one of the SG pets finally got tired of their shit
: Why become a mod if you dont play the game?
Because moderation has zip to do with gameplay? The only actual case for pulling a player for mod would be that they have a better understanding of the community, but apart from that you have rules to follow which is simple as that. Like, do football coaches play football? Maybe a little bit, but their job is to read the rules and understand the playbook, not be the quarterback looking for an interception.
Terozu (NA)
: What game is this?
It's supposed to be Black Desert Online, I don't know the map enough to know what area.
: Carrying the table is what makes this.
Ain't got time for physics when it's about to get locked.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Risk of Fate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EErQVNXZ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-04-24T01:45:24.585+0000) > > Except it's going to be a jungler. They litterally said the assassin is gonna be solo lane, so no. Also, no champion is "fun to play against" when they're doing well.
Huh, I must have combined "assassin" with "jungle" somehow. I really need glasses apparently. Also yes, there are no "fun to play against," but I'd rather have the less fun being something I have a chance of surviving and not against a character who will give you a grey screen the moment you blink. Hell, assassins don't have to wait for you to be out of position for longer than half a second with how rewarded are by getting so much early damage through lethality.
: Pretty nice we're getting a new ad assassin, other than Zed Talon there aren't any viable mid lane.
Except it's going to be a jungler.
: The next support is an enchanter so bam wish granted.
I mean, any new support is already a wish granted yet I'm waiting for the kit to be revealed where I'm going to predict there's going to be some kind of life-link. Imagine if they went mid like Morgana did, glad they made sure she stayed down there (/s)
: Ok and what did you want? Like the last true jg was like kayn and he is not really a true assassin and same with pyke. So a true assassin like kha or zed is really nice to see. We got a lot of ap champion so it makes no sense to do that and there are already a lot of tanks so they should slow how on them. Like what DID YOU WANT AND WHY?
A support who is not so utterly tied to bot lane that they may as well have a collar? Bard was a breath of fresh air and there hasn't been another roaming support since. Most of the roster also consists of playmakers whose job is to die for the team to make the carries look good or save a teammate from committing suicide. As for junglers, half of the entire pool could reasonably jungle given a good enough comp. Want to take Zed Jungle? Shove a tank mid. Oh wait, tanks are only good in jungle or top. I won't go into details of breaking the meta, but the point is I would not mind another assassin if the game wasn't based around who could take a health bar the fastest. Like, I want my S5 Zed where I didn't die to him because he just breathed on me and instead was patient enough to get me if I dared to stay at below half-health.
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