Cowseed (NA)
: Why?! Why should _everything_ be melee exclusive. It's not a damage item and doing that screws over some ranged tanky champs that are expected to build it. {{champion:6}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:412}}. We should _never_ make purely defensive items ranged exclusive.
> [{quoted}](name=Cowseed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c6Bb0M8g,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-23T16:25:59.198+0000) > > Why?! Why should _everything_ be melee exclusive. It's not a damage item and doing that screws over some ranged tanky champs that are expected to build it. > > {{champion:6}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:412}}. We should _never_ make purely defensive items ranged exclusive. Everything? What’s melee exclusive and half decent? Hello? Fuckin Doran’s shield was reworked to help melees survive in lane and guess who abused it the most? You guessed it right, marksmen Why in the fck would a gnar be required to build d shield every game? He’s the ranged bully so he gets d blade most of the time
Chetork (NA)
: Everything wrong with this meta in 30 seconds of worlds
MAY God smite the balance team with holy bleach Amen
VanaQuish (EUNE)
: WAIT WAIT did just someone just said that tabi is FKING OVERLOADED ITEM?! Holy moly. What a time to be fking alive. How the fk is tabi overloaded? It has only one passive that reduces aa dmg. My god. This community is giving me cancer.
> [{quoted}](name=VanaQuish,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c6Bb0M8g,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-10-23T15:59:18.592+0000) > > WAIT WAIT did just someone just said that tabi is FKING OVERLOADED ITEM?! Holy moly. What a time to be fking alive. How the fk is tabi overloaded? It has only one passive that reduces aa dmg. My god. This community is giving me cancer. I don’t think it’s the community doing that. Could be the mini walnut u call a brain
Cowseed (NA)
: Agree with this 100000000%. They asked for Tabi's to be nerfed. They nerfed it, now adcs kill everything. Woop-di-fucking-do.
> [{quoted}](name=Cowseed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c6Bb0M8g,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-23T16:09:37.608+0000) > > Agree with this 100000000%. They asked for Tabi's to be nerfed. They nerfed it, now adcs kill everything. Woop-di-fucking-do. THey need to make tabis passive different for ranged champs An ezreal jungle with tabis is utter cancer He shouldn’t benefit the same from an item I need to survive while he has range advantage
: Okay, I'll shut my mouth, I won't say what bothers me on a board dedicated to what I have to say. Let's kill the liberty of expression! No, seriously, what I'm saying here isn't even related to any kind of sjw, it's some FUCKING COMMON SENSE! You think it is better to tell people that it's okay for them to call anyone the name they want as long as they play well?
> [{quoted}](name=Ithil Snek,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OgFs2v7V,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-10-23T16:08:37.701+0000) > > Okay, I'll shut my mouth, I won't say what bothers me on a board dedicated to what I have to say. Let's kill the liberty of expression! > > No, seriously, what I'm saying here isn't even related to any kind of sjw, it's some FUCKING COMMON SENSE! You think it is better to tell people that it's okay for them to call anyone the name they want as long as they play well? U Can mute all and never see this kind of thing ever again Right now Riot needs to do something about the trolls in the game driving everyones interest away
: Insulting someone after an illness (Trisomy, cancer, autism...) should result instantly into a ban.
People would rather not mute so they can increase their self pity mentality and feel vindicated towards toxicity . The solution has already been given to them but they still bitch I’m told to kill myself on a daily basis and I couldn’t give a flying fuck about it Words don’t mean shit unless ur incredibly sensitive in which case mute all and enjoy
: You're generalizing the entire community way too much. There is actually a lot of players, like me that very rarely report anyone. Why you gotta label though? Why do you need to tell that troll he's a piece of shit? Why you gotta whine and point out the obvious? Why though?
> [{quoted}](name=3SheetsTotheWind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OgFs2v7V,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-23T15:11:01.855+0000) > > You're generalizing the entire community way too much. There is actually a lot of players, like me that very rarely report anyone. > > Why you gotta label though? Why do you need to tell that troll he's a piece of shit? Why you gotta whine and point out the obvious? > > Why though? because im human? not everyone has the ability to keep their mouth shut in these situations? people get frustrated and vent in game rather than in their heads?
: They're working on that discrepancy in the system as we speak actually. But I mean, you really didn't have to come in here and be that way.
> [{quoted}](name=3SheetsTotheWind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OgFs2v7V,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-23T14:55:12.961+0000) > > They're working on that discrepancy in the system as we speak actually. But I mean, you really didn't have to come in here and be that way. actually i did. this site is being filled with SJWs. every single person actually believes any little word thats not positive is considered toxic. u call someone somewhat bad at their champ , TOXIC u tell an intentional feeder they are pieces of shit "toxic bro u ruined the game for 3 other people" sorry if i didnt enjoy getting 25 minutes of my time wasted without venting 1 sentence out. u people twisted the word and thus riot has a hard on for banning anyone that says anything whatsoever on their mind that they dont agree with ( the list is huge) the game has went downhill in terms of behavior due to this .
: Come on, man. Why though?
> [{quoted}](name=3SheetsTotheWind,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OgFs2v7V,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-23T14:50:44.160+0000) > > Come on, man. Why though? it doesnt even matter anymore this community is so fucking self righteous and annoying. so tired of people thinking words should be bannable whatsoever. this coming from someone who hasnt wished death upon anyone or used hate speech in the past year. riot needs to worry less about words and focus more on trolls who aggravate the living shit out of the playerbase on a daily basis. u can mute words but u cant mute an intentionally feeding loser.
: Insulting someone after an illness (Trisomy, cancer, autism...) should result instantly into a ban.
ShadeDi (EUW)
: Why do people say zed is weak?
he can go 10-0 in lane but in teamfights a single summoner spell and a lulu polymorph will make him utterly useless. he has 1 combo to kill 1 person and if that one person is protected hes useless
Sasogwa (EUW)
: I would feel less bulshitted about getting cced permanently
i mean adcs are rushing tabis and due to their already very safe positioning in teamfights if u DO manage to get near them (god forbid) they have an overloaded item to make sure u do less damage as a melee bruiser.
Räzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Unreformed Shaco,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xb2XUhJW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-23T10:15:00.143+0000) > > Same goes for every Assassin... > > Vayne/Twitch do their jobs better in all aspects. Include Talon and I will agree with you.
> [{quoted}](name=Räzer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xb2XUhJW,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-10-23T10:16:19.886+0000) > > Include Talon and I will agree with you. {{summoner:3}}
Guanxi (NA)
: You know, I'd rather see Ardent Censor than the bullshit Brand support's.
yea i would much rather die to a brand support than an adc with 2k hp worth of shields. i would rather get ulted by a brand than get my entire class and champion invalidated every single fight by shields and a tabi abusing adc. thanks tho!
: Real talk, does Riot think that Twitch is actually balanced?
some of them have stated they think hes fine in solo queue. some of them are retarded.
: > [{quoted}](name=Riven xp ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GsTEqq5v,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-22T20:15:46.576+0000) > > and then u get kited into oblivion and melted by the 2 item "late game" (15 minute) kogmaw kog maw cant escape from trundle, the second hes pillared he's fucked.
> [{quoted}](name=LadyRenly,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GsTEqq5v,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2017-10-22T23:08:57.163+0000) > > kog maw cant escape from trundle, the second hes pillared he's fucked. Yea kogs support is just going to go afk And let the trundle run into him. Yea bro the kogs team is going to make popcorn and allow kog to die bro Yea bro JANNA /lulu will make trundle useless completely
kargish (EUW)
: Not even a late game adc can melt through a 350 armor/mr {{champion:48}} that heals himself
> [{quoted}](name=kargish,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GsTEqq5v,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-10-22T21:40:32.947+0000) > > Not even a late game adc can melt through a 350 armor/mr {{champion:48}} that heals himself good fucking meme
Modi (NA)
: Why do you need to even say it? As The Djinn said, doing it for the sole purpose of a put down is just unnecessary.
> [{quoted}](name=Modi,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xmeezaAu,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-22T21:39:36.792+0000) > > Why do you need to even say it? As The Djinn said, doing it for the sole purpose of a put down is just unnecessary. sorry if im not comfortable playing with a 3-20 duo bot that feel theneed to say no to every ff knwoing we will lose regardless but they can keep us hostage for an extra 15 minutes. sorry if i said they played poorly and "got shit on 2v2 bot" didnt call them autistic. didnt call them trash. just told them they were bad. got restricted for it. they however got off scotch free and mvoed on to the next game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Riven xp ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xmeezaAu,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-10-22T21:13:32.193+0000) > > calling someone "bad" is considered toxic regardless of them being 1-20 Well, yes. Sportsmanship and respect are things Riot values, and calling someone "bad" doesn't serve any purpose other than to be a jerk. If you legitimately need to inform someone that they're unable to fight an opponent, there are other ways to do so that aren't as condescending or insulting. Use those ways.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xmeezaAu,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2017-10-22T21:22:17.938+0000) > > Well, yes. Sportsmanship and respect are things Riot values, and calling someone "bad" doesn't serve any purpose other than to be a jerk. If you legitimately need to inform someone that they're unable to fight an opponent, there are other ways to do so that aren't as condescending or insulting. Use those ways. too bad its the internet and not everyone is offended by words. im not calling u autistic. im not wishing death upon u or a family member. im calling u bad. mute me if its that offending but to get banned for it is disgusting
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=JamesTheMage15,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xmeezaAu,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-10-22T21:06:19.520+0000)I need to know: How easy will it be for me to get permabanned when i return from the ban? If you do nothing toxic, you'll be fine. If you do do something toxic and say punishment-worthy things, you will likely end up banned.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xmeezaAu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-22T21:11:17.675+0000) > > If you do nothing toxic, you'll be fine. If you do do something toxic and say punishment-worthy things, you will likely end up banned. calling someone "bad" is considered toxic regardless of them being 1-20 might as well remove your enter key since the system was designed by SJWs
: > [{quoted}](name=Riven xp ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GsTEqq5v,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-22T20:15:46.576+0000) > > and then u get kited into oblivion and melted by the 2 item "late game" (15 minute) kogmaw sej can also be kited.
> [{quoted}](name=ChristmasEvelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GsTEqq5v,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-22T20:16:44.223+0000) > > sej can also be kited. sejuani has multiple forms of cc and is very hard to kite .
kargish (EUW)
: To all those who can't handle Sejuani
and then u get kited into oblivion and melted by the 2 item "late game" (15 minute) kogmaw
: What are ADCs ?
A better form of melee assassins with no drawbacks and no cooldowns as well as range advantages
Penns (EUW)
: https://i.gyazo.com/3992c07b53bfb417f4fdad7d69ede5fd.mp4 assassin assassinates sneaky through lulu E and locket hehe
> [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gaE6Q43f,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-22T13:16:01.988+0000) > > https://i.gyazo.com/3992c07b53bfb417f4fdad7d69ede5fd.mp4 assassin assassinates sneaky through lulu E and locket hehe SO fucking boring to watch and knowing that this is the same shjt u encounter every game as well... My god the balance team is pathetic
Rioter Comments
: Balance team? You mean Player Behavior team?
> [{quoted}](name=AngusBoomPants,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=islzEAY8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-10-22T09:22:23.238+0000) > > Balance team? You mean Player Behavior team? FUCK them both honestly
: How do you deal with this
for starters they had ardent and u didnt so u lost out on like 10x worth of gold.
: Why do promos still exist
nothing like getting an rage quit at 7 minutes in ur diamond 2 promos where u instantly lose and then have to play 5 more games of unfun cancerous bullshit to climb back into the glorious promos. really makes u positive that riot knows what their game feels like when ur playing it
: Why is Xayah OP? Shes not that mobile
> [{quoted}](name=Primaquarius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WVL4OGhJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-22T02:52:36.424+0000) > > Why is Xayah OP? Shes not that mobile her entire ulti and e goes against melees. like riot could NOT hate bruisers any more than when they designed her. shes not broken yea but her kit just screams "another way to make a bruiser miserable" melees that dont go full tank are SUFFERING. riot continues to ignore this shit and pretty much every riven main i know isnt playing her as much and are having less and less fun top due to tanks out performing without having to use a single brain cell.
: Hilarious how everybody complains about ranged champions.
abusing jayces broken laning phase against melee and complains about melees complaining about ranged champs .
Yenn (NA)
: The outcome of games should not be entirely reliant on bottom lane
lazy cockroaches need to wait until preseason before they nerf this game breakingly broken role because "ahh rune changes bro we need to wait a couple of months before the game becomes somewhat decent for other roles " "gl btw"
Rioter Comments
: can something be done about lethality riven?
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: URGOT Nerfs on PBE, Ardent Censer remains the same.
15 extra mana level 1 holy FUCK that dude is gutted now.
: >building for your support to buy a broken item faster is diversity? Have people been doing that before? You mean it's not exactly the same as buying {{item:1055}} every game? Seems like we got options now. Seems like... *diversity.*
> [{quoted}](name=tombdragon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lHGil5Zr,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-10-16T22:34:27.199+0000) > > Have people been doing that before? > > You mean it's not exactly the same as buying {{item:1055}} every game? > > Seems like we got options now. > > Seems like... *diversity.* options to build an item thats needed every single game. options to ease building ONE ITEM AND ONE ITEM ONLY.
Limmie (NA)
: Why? It severely weakens their early game fighting potential and can be exploited. If you don't then it's your failure. ADC buildpath has been the same stale shit for years, and now that it has finally been given a little diversity people complain. It's also not "free" you have to literally buy it, charge it, and it also comes at the cost of said combat stats early game. There's a reason not everyone buys it.
> [{quoted}](name=Limmie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lHGil5Zr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-16T21:52:30.191+0000) > > Why? It severely weakens their early game fighting potential and can be exploited. If you don't then it's your failure. ADC buildpath has been the same stale shit for years, and now that it has finally been given a little diversity people complain. It's also not "free" you have to literally buy it, charge it, and it also comes at the cost of said combat stats early game. There's a reason not everyone buys it. a little diversity? are you fucking joking? building for your support to buy a broken item faster is diversity? do you even know what that word means?
Chermorg (NA)
: This is a discussion board. There is absolutely no place on this board for insults or rude discussion. It's not being a social justice warrior to expect people to have mature, respectful discussions with each other that don't delve into ad hominems and personal attacks. That's called normal society. If you have concerns about anything we do, we welcome criticism, feedback, and discourse with us on either the Discuss the Boards board or in the discord linked in this thread.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fMA44UHa,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2017-10-16T03:02:18.330+0000) > > This is a discussion board. There is absolutely no place on this board for insults or rude discussion. > > It's not being a social justice warrior to expect people to have mature, respectful discussions with each other that don't delve into ad hominems and personal attacks. That's called normal society. > > If you have concerns about anything we do, we welcome criticism, feedback, and discourse with us on either the Discuss the Boards board or in the discord linked in this thread. u dont welcome shit. please dont give me that copy pasted bullshit. you dont take criticism. "mature, respectful discussions". stating that someone is crazy as a bat is in no way adhering against the rules. u got me fucked up if u think im going in a discord filled with u people. u say one cuss word and u have 10 30 year olds claiming its rude to say "fuck" Fr*ck that. sorry for my language if it tingled your senses.
Chermorg (NA)
: As you were informed in your deletion message, your post was literally full of personal insults. Telling someone they are "crazy as a bat" for a legitimate analysis of your punishment is not okay. Per the [Universal Rules](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/4LgZ2EwM-universal-rules), "Harassment and insults will not be tolerated (“just playing” is NOT a catch-all excuse)." If you'd like to discuss this in real time, you can visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/qVlculPP-boards-moderation-discord).
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fMA44UHa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-15T22:46:32.822+0000) > > As you were informed in your deletion message, your post was literally full of personal insults. Telling someone they are "crazy as a bat" for a legitimate analysis of your punishment is not okay. > > Per the [Universal Rules](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/4LgZ2EwM-universal-rules), "Harassment and insults will not be tolerated (“just playing” is NOT a catch-all excuse)." > > If you'd like to discuss this in real time, you can visit us in the [Moderation Discord here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/qVlculPP-boards-moderation-discord). are u fucking joking? "crazy as a bat" that is offensive? are we in a fucking church? why the fuck are u mods so sensitive and childish? u can ask him to stop it but to delete his comment? why the fuck are so many SJWs modding this site. "harassment and insult" is calling someone autistic or stating you want to beat them up. calling them crazy as a bat is CALLED USING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE TO MAKE A POINT.
Yenn (NA)
: It's 2017, why do we still not have a way to flag unskilled players in ranked?
isnt that why riot buffed ardent? who do u think abuses it most?
: ZERO Name Punishment
you really take the time out of your day to report people who have "dick" in their name? it physically bothers you?
Durzaka (NA)
: You can say that all you want, but the stats in plat+ dont back you up. Fiora isnt even at a 50% win rate right now in plat+
> [{quoted}](name=Durzaka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uQmLbEMW,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-15T03:36:36.167+0000) > > You can say that all you want, but the stats in plat+ dont back you up. > > Fiora isnt even at a 50% win rate right now in plat+ when did this argument become about fiora? im talking about bruisers in this meta. they are not allowed to be good. it is not enjoyable. also fiora is just as broken as she was before and the second the balance team getss off their ass and nerfs support/adc/tank fiora will be #1 once the balance is better
Durzaka (NA)
: While that might be true in pro play, of the top 20 win rate champions top lane, exactly one of them is a tank. You can carry games from top. But you need to play the right champion. Specifically someone who can jump on the ADC and make their life hell, by either killing them very fast, or being enough of a bruiser to force them out. obviously, if the enemy adc and the support snowball, they have you 2v1, you arent gonna win that by yourself unless they fuck up.
> [{quoted}](name=Durzaka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uQmLbEMW,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-10-15T03:13:07.842+0000) > > While that might be true in pro play, of the top 20 win rate champions top lane, exactly one of them is a tank. > > You can carry games from top. But you need to play the right champion. Specifically someone who can jump on the ADC and make their life hell, by either killing them very fast, or being enough of a bruiser to force them out. > > obviously, if the enemy adc and the support snowball, they have you 2v1, you arent gonna win that by yourself unless they fuck up. i cant think of a single bruiser other than fiora who is busted by design that can do well in teamfights in this meta. if u arent full tank and u arent fiora, good luck. have. fun
: How Does One Carry As A Top Laner?
u play a braindead tank and u hope ur adc is better than theirs and in teamfights u sit on top of ur adc and make sure they dont get touched. thats ur entire job as riot wants it. u play anything other than a tank, not only will be u be tortured in laning but ur going to be made useless by supports and the enemy tank as well as the adc. have fun!
: Nerfing Sejuani Damage because that's clearly the problem, Not ADC.
taking an LCS teamfight damage chart and comparing it to the actual solo player game LOLLLLLL Sejuani is banned every single game in d3+ due to her cancerous cc and INSANE damage . she deserves every nerf heading her way.
: how the frick to people like this get into pbe..
> [{quoted}](name=SwiftKitten88,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EOj3ihl4,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-14T03:19:47.476+0000) > > how the frick to people like this get into pbe.. because they dont use the word "frick" online
HanSwift (NA)
: Scraed of Playing First PVP Blind/Draft
took me 500 bot games to find myself ready for normals. its normal. dont worry about it whatsoever. it took me 400 normals to play ranked and it was terrifying.
: Besides the boards imploding with sheer rage at the mere thought of an ADC being given attention, you're right.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kETJWMUt,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-10-12T14:56:28.231+0000) > > Besides the boards imploding with sheer rage at the mere thought of an ADC being given attention, you're right. besides the fact that they have been in the spotlight more than any other role in the game, i think we have the right to be jealous at riots bias
: > [{quoted}](name=Riven xp ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWiqY7bH,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-12T18:18:02.571+0000) > > {{champion:84}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:80}} Who doesnt lose to this guy early game? {{champion:27}} What respectable riven main loses to singed you're probably just bad {{champion:84}} Don't buy it. You can manage her little toss poke and outscale her. {{champion:54}} He has no kill pressure on you, free farm to your armor pen items and then outscale. {{champion:58}} Reliable counter I don't mind conceding that (except I noted that she "auto win ALMOST every melee...")
> [{quoted}](name=Tychusfindlay918,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWiqY7bH,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-13T00:59:27.375+0000) > > {{champion:80}} Who doesnt lose to this guy early game? > > {{champion:27}} What respectable riven main loses to singed you're probably just bad > > {{champion:84}} Don't buy it. You can manage her little toss poke and outscale her. > > {{champion:54}} He has no kill pressure on you, free farm to your armor pen items and then outscale. > > {{champion:58}} Reliable counter I don't mind conceding that (except I noted that she "auto win ALMOST every melee...") new singed with w counters her harder and with new tank items hes unkillable .
: > [{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWiqY7bH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-12T17:04:43.311+0000) > > It is quite sad how riven needs to be played so carefully, yet has the chance to lose in ANY situation by a misclick. > While fiora is VERY reliable compared to riv. > > ...Honestly consistancy is a good thing though, hence why fiora is not a meme. I hate how if a riven knows how to pull off a couple combos she's allowed to basically auto win almost every melee matchup that isn't a braindead meta tank like chogath.
> [{quoted}](name=Tychusfindlay918,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWiqY7bH,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-10-12T17:19:15.688+0000) > > I hate how if a riven knows how to pull off a couple combos she's allowed to basically auto win almost every melee matchup that isn't a braindead meta tank like chogath. {{champion:84}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:80}}
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