Krizonar (NA)
: Champion Audition - Qiyana, Judge Selection
Krizonar (NA)
: Champion Audition - Yuumi, Judge Selection
: Champion Auditions - Sylas, Judge Selection
Kameil (NA)
: The Ask Champion Compendium
It'll all be invalidated when it's over anyway. So, there's not really a point to it. There's more than just 1 going on anyway.
Kameil (NA)
: The Ask Champion Compendium
Welp, there goes 3 years of character-building. Great.
: hi again... i'm talking to my friend and they say i should "claim" kata for it to count sorry again for not making it clear but i would make a claim then contested claim? i don't wanna step on toes or anything
> [{quoted}](name=Meowing Kata,realm=EUW,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=V0JcVrj0,comment-id=0907,timestamp=2019-02-09T01:57:34.404+0000) > > i don't wanna step on toes or anything It's been suggested that, if you were willing to _share_ Katarina, as in both you AND the old one would be able to play them for the purposes of things for the moment, that that would be alright. (This isn't normally something done, but this circumstance isn't a normal one to begin with) The only other outcome, as decided by everyone else, is that only you get to play her, and the Old Kat has to step down. Ultimately, the decision is up to you and what you want to do and be okay with.
: > [{quoted}](name=SinisterNobility,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=V0JcVrj0,comment-id=090200000000,timestamp=2019-02-09T00:35:30.285+0000) snip I'm not sure who exactly sure who you're referring to, but this is not the case. If someone loses their champion due to the strike system, at least with one other RPer, that they must wait a month. (I asked Krizonar to confirm this)
> [{quoted}](name=Ask Annie,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=V0JcVrj0,comment-id=0905,timestamp=2019-02-09T00:40:37.055+0000) > > I'm not sure who exactly sure who you're referring to, but this is not the case. > > If someone loses their champion due to the strike system, at least with one other RPer, that they must wait a month. (I asked Krizonar to confirm this) Krizonar is misinformed, then. As per the current rules, there's nothing preventing someone from picking up a champion if they've been made available, even due to strikes. I'm all for plugging the loophole, but as it stands currently, her claim is valid.
Kameil (NA)
: The Ask Champion Compendium
Not true. In fact, I had tried to plug that loophole a while ago, but no one did. Thus, she's open to reclaim Katarina as the rules currently stand.
Kalofinx (EUW)
: On the Future of the Compendium - VOTING PART 2
Kalofinx (EUW)
: On the Future of the Compendium - VOTING
Voted for 2 in support of Sub-Boards.
: Champion Auditions - Neeko, Judge Selection
I shall offer my services as judge as well. =)
Kalofinx (EUW)
: On the Current State of the Boards & Suggestions Moving Forward UPDATE: READ INSIDE
I'm sorry. It was quite late when I typed all that so I probably missed a point or two. Hopefully I can address some concerns with this one. My intention was to include the removal of the Compendium and put it with the "One-World" section of the Sub-Boards where it would not interfere with everyone on the other board in any way. Champion claims and who plays them doesn't much matter at all if a section is "Free For All". However, something like the Compendium is required to keep tabs on things like who is who, who is taken etc, for a singular setting system, otherwise you wind up with three different Akali's or something, and that winds up hurting continuity, which is a big part of the One-World board idea. That doesn't matter for the "FFA" Board, so it would have no place there, and thus, effectively be eliminated from that equation. So, in essence, where it matters for the enjoyment of those wanting a removal of the compendium, it basically IS removed as far as their RPing goes. That was essentially my intention, and the compromise I had envisioned for those that want the Compendium (and by extension the one-RPer-per-champ rule) gone. I wasn't trying to eliminate an opinion, I was essentially trying to include it. I think I just failed to explain it correctly. That's why I said I thought this worked to accommodate everyone, despite it only being two options.
Kalofinx (EUW)
: On the Current State of the Boards & Suggestions Moving Forward UPDATE: READ INSIDE
The system was designed with 2 options in mind for changing rules, because it was desired for people to adequately discuss alternatives, compromises, and solutions to issues before the vote was started. In essence, the way it was meant was for things to boil down to "Choose between the old option, or this new option that a lot of people have talked about and worked together on to come to a workable replacement of the first option." The idea was to have everyone talk to each other and find something that worked BEFORE the vote went out. Anyway, that said, I'm in favor of the two options being "Things Stay the Same" vs "Sub-Boards to allow everyone to get what they want" I know that's a gross simplification, but that's the essence of it. And lemme be clear. I don't want to lose ANYONE due to a change in rules. As it's been stated before, this community has been dwindling for a while now, and I'd very much like whatever solution is decided upon to make as many people as possible happy so that we don't have people preparing to pack their bags and abandon ship when certain changes possibly happen. The biggest concern people seem to have is splitting things making the community even smaller. And I totally get that. I do, TRUST ME. But I think splitting the boards themselves to accommodate everyone's interests won't really split the community itself. After all, we still have one Discord server where everyone hangs out. Basically, by splitting things, the community won't lose anything it might have possibly lost due to the previously proposed changes, and has the added benefit of opening up more options for everyone in the community, as well as any possible new faces as well. That's why I see it as a Win-Win. The Boards would still offer the "One-World" thing that draws a lot of people to it from that aspect, and it would now ALSO draw in a lot of people who just wanna have fun playing champions and whatever else without regard for a lot of the red tape that goes on with the other side. No more would people have to give up on plots or stories because a champion is taken on the other Board, etc. Heck, maybe those other ideas INSPIRE people on the other side to do things also. This place, at the core, is a place where people come to tell stories with characters in a world they love (and maybe sometimes hate too, but mostly love). I see the split as taking one idea and turning it into two ideas, multiplying all the opportunities afforded in the community we have now by two, because we now have two sections to make things tailored to those experiences. As far as OC threads? I think they fit perfectly in the "Free For All" section. What possible harm could they cause there? None, really. Even Tumblr has "OC Blogs", and they'd fit perfectly in that kind of open atmosphere. The "Free For All" section would be a place for much more creativity above and beyond Riot's current Runeterra Universe. While the "One-World" would be much more locked down to cannon happenings and the like, just to preserve that "Riot feeling", just about anything could be done on the "Free For All" section, including continuous RPs, alternate worlds (Star Guardian, High School, PROJECT, etc) multiple plots, interconnected stories, the ONLY real difference is that the "One-World" section is far more regulated by things like the Compendium, post requirements, etc, because of how connected things are there. And maybe both share a "This should be based on League of Legends" clause, because this is the League Boards after all. In short, it gives both sides places to grow together and inspire one another. Changes one place don't HAVE to affect the other anymore, which means more happy people. And I don't think everyone on the "One-World" side would ONLY stick to that either, because, if Tumblr has taught me anything, it's that people LOVE their AU's and "Crack" RPs and just goofy stuff too. That's why I don't think you'll actually lose anyone if you split the boards. All you'll do is preserve the experience we already have, while simultaneously opening up a brand new world of possibilities with less restrictions at the same time.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryugi Kazamaru,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=ZTfqxGBr,comment-id=002600010000,timestamp=2018-11-28T01:18:36.193+0000) > > You're assuming that I'm ignoring abuse cases, which I am not. But, this vote isn't about abuse cases, it's about letting multiple people RP the same champion, which is what my post attempted to discuss and explain. Which leads to abuse cases. You are essentially saying "I'm not ignoring abuse cases, but let me continue to talk about this rule change I don't want enacted, which enables the abuse cases while ignoring said abuse cases." > But eliminating one case where the system can be abused at the additional cost of removing the main thing that sets this board apart from places like Tumblr is a really high cost to those on my side. The only cost I see is a superficial one that you can't brag that you are holding onto a champion for years and years. If somebody else wants to rp a champion on *the* league of legends boards, has great ideas that can reach far more people than they ever could on tumblr, then tough luck, you should have showed up many years ago. > That's why I've been trying to propose suggestions that allow BOTH sides to be happy, IE 2 sub-boards. One would be what things are now, the one-world thing. And the other would be a Free-Play place where claims etc don't matter. That gives both sides what they want and gives more opportunities to everyone involved too. And yet, this idea doesn't seem to have been discussed and has been overlooked, seemingly, by those in favor of the change. I'm fine with it in theory, but then you have to consider the bleeding of the population further. I don't know if it will be relevant but we'll see. > I don't want to ban people from having fun on either side. But the opposition's viewpoint seems to be "we have more people on our side, so your side can suck it up" You were fine with "we have more people on your side so you can suck it up" when the majority was in your favor. > Which, again, is why I believe 2 Sub-Boards would be the best way to solve this because it literally makes BOTH sides happy. > I don't understand why not pleasing both parties is somehow less popular than upsetting one party for the sake of one side. Because you were fine with only pleasing *your* party until your grip on the majority has been threatened, upon which case you try to go for a compromise.
> [{quoted}](name=CelestíalWíshes,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=ZTfqxGBr,comment-id=0026000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-28T01:41:29.263+0000) > > You were fine with "we have more people on your side so you can suck it up" when the majority was in your favor. > > Because you were fine with only pleasing *your* party until your grip on the majority has been threatened, upon which case you try to go for a compromise. This has never been the case, and in every instance where a call for change has been placed I've tried to enact changes that made both sides happy, because angry people are not good for a community, and especially not for a community that is as small and niche as this one is. For example, it was me who laid the groundwork to allow people to RP champions in a "guest capacity" in the first place when the RPer didn't want to let it be a thing, or wasn't interested, or the Champ in question wasn't taken. I worked to come to a compromise for the changes to the "No OC Ask Threads" rule to allow them to still have a place to call their own and to interact with the community, because that was what was most important to the people who wanted that, and in doing so, largely had both sides agree that it was acceptable. That's literally the reason why OCs can make threads like that at all right now, largely due to my direct input and discussion. It was also my idea to have a "Random RP" thread where anyone could do what they wanted regardless of claims, which hasn't been used at all for that matter. In every single situation where I've been present to discuss things and the community has been divided, like it is now, I've tried to seek a compromise that works for both sides. Again, because a community divided only causes more problems down the line. And, in this instance, creating two Sub-Boards makes literally everyone happy, as well as opens up more opportunities for anyone involved in the Board to begin with. It's a win-win for everyone. So, the fact that it's not been discussed or considered at all worries me, because with actual moderators like Ahri etc on our side, moving threads and creating them wouldn't even be that difficult. --- Also, as far as "abuse cases" that is a related but separate issue that, if the Sub-Boards idea can be put forth or enacted, can be discussed and addressed too. You're not the only one who has issues with what you suggested. But, that's simply not the primary focus right now. That doesn't mean you should assume I think it's any less important either.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryugi Kazamaru,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=ZTfqxGBr,comment-id=0026,timestamp=2018-11-27T20:59:47.470+0000) > > So, once more, I will attempt to make a plea for the other side of the coin on this issue. > You've said a lot of stuff but I want to bring to the front a very important issue. The way the current system works, is very abusable by the champion RPers. I bring up Karthus once again. He simply refused to let Karthus go even though it was clear for a while he was drained on ideas. So he would do half-baked attempts to bump his thread and in the process sit on his champion and as a result fresh blood never got a chance to use him. You can fight to hold on to this all you want, but I want to know why you seem to turn a blind eye to obvious abuse cases that have been documented. You can be the best RPer in the world that loves the system but if 90% of the other RPers abuse this system then it needs to change. This number is of course hyperbolic but my point is that you can't simply ignore these instances just because you want to keep your champion all to yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=CelestíalWíshes,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=ZTfqxGBr,comment-id=00260001,timestamp=2018-11-28T00:49:54.643+0000) > >I want to know why you seem to turn a blind eye to obvious abuse cases that have been documented. You're assuming that I'm ignoring abuse cases, which I am not. But, this vote isn't about abuse cases, it's about letting multiple people RP the same champion, which is what my post attempted to discuss and explain. I have no reason to vote against a change that prevents abuse cases, but this proposed change isn't a suggestion that both eliminates abuse cases and makes everyone happy. You can argue that allowing a bunch of people to be Karthus would remove that specific abuse case from the scenario, and others like it. But eliminating one case where the system can be abused at the additional cost of removing the main thing that sets this board apart from places like Tumblr is a really high cost to those on my side. That's why I've been trying to propose suggestions that allow BOTH sides to be happy, IE 2 sub-boards. One would be what things are now, the one-world thing. And the other would be a Free-Play place where claims etc don't matter. That gives both sides what they want and gives more opportunities to everyone involved too. And yet, this idea doesn't seem to have been discussed and has been overlooked, seemingly, by those in favor of the change. I don't want to ban people from having fun on either side. But the opposition's viewpoint seems to be "we have more people on our side, so your side can suck it up" which isn't really fair to some of our longest-standing members of the community, and is sure to only create more irritation and frustration among people rather than truly solving anything. And that's beneficial for no one. Which, again, is why I believe 2 Sub-Boards would be the best way to solve this because it literally makes BOTH sides happy. Everyone gets what they want. So, why people seem to also be opposed to that as a solution really boggles me. I don't understand why not pleasing both parties is somehow less popular than upsetting one party for the sake of one side.
Kalofinx (EUW)
: On the Current State of the Boards & Suggestions Moving Forward UPDATE: READ INSIDE
So, once more, I will attempt to make a plea for the other side of the coin on this issue. Several people seem to think that the current champion RPers like being the only person to hold their champions because of some kind of pride. The truth is that it isn't about that at all. Most champion RPers don't see themselves as superior to anyone else, and it isn't that we don't think anyone else should be able to RP a champion either. Those beliefs are a misconception based around the real reason for why we all cling to this solo representation so ardently. The fact of the matter is this. The Boards currently offer a one-of-a-kind experience for RPing in the Runeterra Universe on the Internet, and that is a single, unified world. Several people who currently hold champions here have also played them elsewhere, myself included. For most, that place is Tumblr, or perhaps some other place, like a League Facebook Group, or a collection of Twitter RP accounts, or some other sort of thing. However, the only place that really offers a unified world where there is one version of a champion, one world for them to make their way and tell their stories, is here. Here, there is no competition for RP partners between different versions of your chosen champion. Here, you don't have to try and compete with another Ahri, Jinx, Riven, Katarina or Draven for chances at interaction, or get passed up because another RPer/writer for that champion is seen as better than you by the community. Here, your champion is never overshadowed by someone else, and you are allowed, as a result, to create bigger stories, have grander interactions and actually make an impact on the world in some way. The argument could be made that "Even if several people are RPing the same champion doesn't mean you can't also tell your own stories" and this is theoretically true. This sort of thing takes place on Tumblr all the time. People have "official" chosen RPers/representations for specific champions that they will interact with as their "only" representation of that character for "canon" purposes, and will usually ignore other people. There's no need to interact with the fifteen other Ahri blogs with varying degrees of lewd if only one fits your needs as an RPer to tell your story. And so, people get left out, left behind, and unavoidably, there are often multiple versions of a champion that just get ignored because people have their favorites already. But the Boards here eliminate all of that. Good or bad, if you have a champion here, you ARE that champion for the sake of RPing. And nowhere else really offers that kind of capability, or privilege. And trust me, most of us DO see it as that. Not a right, but an honor, to be that champion and character in a semi-official capacity. Most don't see it as some kind of superiority thing, we see it for what it is, a chance to be the only recognized version of a character that, elsewhere, can be so easily duplicated and represented that being them loses any real kind of meaning in the sea of copies. And that's what you're taking away by removing this section of the rules. You are taking away a unique opportunity across the Internet, and replacing it with something that is otherwise known as and provided by Tumblr. People might see us as being greedy and protective of our champions, selfishly keeping them to ourselves and denying everyone else the right to play them. And maybe part of that is true, but not for the reasons people seem to think. We're fighting to hold on to them so dearly because this is the only place where we ARE them. And because of that, we ARE trying to fight to hold on to something we desperately love and care about. And that thing is this experience. It's not about denying people opportunities, it's about keeping this unique experience. And that is why we wish and hope that this change doesn't happen, or at least whatever change comes to pass still provides us with some place to continue to enjoy the experience we all love and treasure. If that requires a Sub-Board dedicated to a single world, and another dedicated to Free-Play, then so be it. But please, please consider the true reasons why we hold to this so tightly.
: Razz's First Scouting Report! (Thread Newsletter, Short story!)
(( I approve of this idea, as it fosters interest in the goings-on throughout the board. Bravo. ))
Kalofinx (EUW)
: On the Current State of the Boards & Suggestions Moving Forward UPDATE: READ INSIDE
One hyphenated statement, folks. #**Sub-Boards** Sub-Boards fix literally this entire argument, and alienates no one. All the people who wanna be the only one playing a champion and have one-world can do their thing in one board, and everyone else who wants to experience the no-man's-land of a champ and OC free for all can do their stuff in another. You have a single landing page with rules and OOC discussions for both boards, and then you have the FFA and OW sub boards so no one feels stiffed or like they're less important than the other. Boom. Everyone is happy. And even better, that means the rules for each specific Sub-Board can be better tweaked to allow more functionality within that area of the boards. Champ Compendium moves to the One-World/One-Champ area because that's where it should be to regulate that. Maybe people in the One-World/One-Champ area get longer reply times than the current 2 weeks since it's sure to be slower at outset. I dunno. But the point is it's something that could be done. So, that would make both sides happy. And if people wanna go BETWEEN the two boards, let em! There's nothing preventing people from hopping ship and doing whatever else in the other board so long as it follows that board's rules. Because, at the heart of things, this is about giving people more options for their style of play. Sometimes one style of play doesn't go well with the other. Sometimes one guy wants to work with two other people and make a massive sand city, while other people are fine making a ton of little sand mounds with different styles. But they don't work as well together in the same real-estate. That's the situation we're potentially looking at here. And rather than making a decision that will cause a schism between the group and make one side unhappy no matter the outcome, at least this way preserves what people already like while simultaneously giving people more options.
Kalofinx (EUW)
: On the Current State of the Boards & Suggestions Moving Forward UPDATE: READ INSIDE
Does anyone actually care about what I have to say anymore? Somehow I have doubts. However, I'll say this much. I know at least several people would actually leave and go elsewhere if the current champion rules were taken away and everyone was allowed to RP them. Reason being, there's already a place like that, as stated before each time this comes up. It's called Tumblr. This place offers its own unique spin on things with one/one rules. While things are slow, all the Noxian champions have a nice big plot going. We're having fun, even if the place isn't hopping. My advice to everyone in this circumstance is to stop waiting for someone to make content and RPs, and just make it yourself. The worst part about stagnation like this is that people get complacent and like to complain about how no one is doing anything to make activity, and then continue to not make new avenues for activity. That statement is not leveled at everyone equally, and you guys know who you are. I know some people DO create opportunities, but a large fraction don't. And, also, I want to say a final thing on this, and I'd like for people to take it to heart. It's not a criticism, just a quality of life thing. Find out what it is that you do here that is fun for you, and then do it, or find a way to do it. I've been Riven for 6-ish years now, and I still enjoy playing her. I'm not constantly dripping with activity with all kinds of people, but I'm still having fun interacting with the other Noxian champions and my RP partners. Find the thing you enjoy, and work for it. Do that, and it doesn't matter how many threads or people there are.
Krizonar (NA)
: Champion Auditions - Pyke, Judge Selection
Krizonar (NA)
: Champion Auditions - Kai'sa, The Daughter of the Void [VOTES!!]
My tie-breaking vote as a Judge goes to KaiReturned.
: I'm a bit confused because, as I read the RP forums, there seems to be a lot of descriptions and a lot of characters, but no actual interaction between the characters. Is this just because there's a lot of time elapsing between when a Summoner joins a board and when someone responds to that post? Or is this just the style of RP that's popular in the forums?
> [{quoted}](name=TaroBunni,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=L4KZzEqE,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-05-05T05:58:05.599+0000) > > I'm a bit confused because, as I read the RP forums, there seems to be a lot of descriptions and a lot of characters, but no actual interaction between the characters. Is this just because there's a lot of time elapsing between when a Summoner joins a board and when someone responds to that post? Or is this just the style of RP that's popular in the forums? Things usually move fairly slowly these days. Though there is activity in some threads almost all the time. For instance, if you set the forums to "Recent" you'll see several posts have gone on in various places over time. Typically, though, things are definitely moving more slowly, as it's finals time for many people, and other such things.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryugi Kazamaru,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PkWrAAh5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-26T04:32:27.657+0000) > > That's fair enough for a personal opinion. But, given the very nature of Noxus itself, I have to disagree. Noxus really is what one makes it to be, and also exists as an idea or ideal. It's part of the reason the Trifarix exists as it does, each representing what Swain believes is a Noxian value. As much as I hate coming back to her as an in-universe example, specifically because of her similarities to what Riven's original goal might have been in a world without the IoW, Quilletta Varn is also a manifestation of Noxus. Her rebellion, her desire to fight, to DIE for what she felt Noxus needed to be, says a lot about her passion and her love. She loved Noxus, but felt it could improve, be better, grow. She cared enough about her homeland to try and make it better, as Riven did in some way, and not just for a select few. The problem is that Noxus has changed a lot. "Confessions of a Broken Blade" happens 1 year after the end of the war and 7 years have passed since the Noxus / Ionia War (if i remember correctly) and the creation of the Trifarix. As far as i know, the last time that she had conections with Noxus it was in the battlefield (were everyone died thanks to Singed) and she is unaware of what Swain did to Noxus. Maybe, in the future (or present, since the "Confessions of a Broken Blade" is in the past) she will try to fix Noxus or will regain her love towards Noxus, but we dont know the current state of Riven in the lore.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PkWrAAh5,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-26T05:31:41.496+0000) > > > Maybe, in the future (or present, since the "Confessions of a Broken Blade" is in the past) she will try to fix Noxus or will regain her love towards Noxus, **but we don't know the current state of Riven in the lore.** Alas, one of my issues with the presentation reveals itself.
: I kinda agree with almost everything except one part: _"Riven, though broken, still loved Noxus at heart, what it could be if not what it was, but sought a way to rebuild what was broken and find her own path."_ I know that Riven herself said that she loves Noxus in the old lore, but i think that loving something based on speculations and ilusions of what you think that it can be, is not love. Loving something for what it "can" be, its just an illusion, a hope, but not a reality.
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PkWrAAh5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-26T03:50:20.036+0000) > > I kinda agree with almost everything except one part: _"Riven, though broken, still loved Noxus at heart, what it could be if not what it was, but sought a way to rebuild what was broken and find her own path."_ > > I know that Riven herself said that she loves Noxus in the old lore, but i think that loving something based on speculations and ilusions of what you think that it can be, is not love. Loving something for what it "can" be, its just an illusion, a hope, but not a reality. That's fair enough for a personal opinion. But, given the very nature of Noxus itself, I have to disagree. Noxus really is what one makes it to be, and also exists as an idea or ideal. It's part of the reason the Trifarix exists as it does, each representing what Swain believes is a Noxian value. As much as I hate coming back to her as an in-universe example, specifically because of her similarities to what Riven's original goal might have been in a world without the IoW, Quilletta Varn is also a manifestation of Noxus. Her rebellion, her desire to fight, to DIE for what she felt Noxus needed to be, says a lot about her passion and her love. She loved Noxus, but felt it could improve, be better, grow. She cared enough about her homeland to try and make it better, as Riven did in some way, and not just for a select few.
: OOC Lounge
I intend to follow the new lore for her as best I can, with my own ideas filling in blanks. It's not very amusing to interact with "Farm Girl Riven" and since the story took place years in the past, roughly 6 if my info is right, it's quite possible she's doing more than just tilling fields.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryugi Kazamaru,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=JpojgwgP,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-04-26T03:12:32.697+0000) > > I have a lot of changes to work through. Safe to say that's no longer the case with my Riven portrayal. Ah. I see. That's great. I was worried that you might be feeling like some other Riven fans who feel strongly about Riven no longer wanting anything to do with Noxus. But, silver lining: Riven isn't on the run and now has a place she can call home!
> [{quoted}](name=AsktheRuneMage,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=JpojgwgP,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2018-04-26T03:24:47.862+0000) > > Ah. I see. That's great. I was worried that you might be feeling like some other Riven fans who feel strongly about Riven no longer wanting anything to do with Noxus. But, silver lining: Riven isn't on the run and now has a place she can call home! Oh, I DO feel strongly about her not wanting anything to do with Noxus. But Riven is more than just her love/hatred of her homeland.
: OOC Lounge
I have a lot of changes to work through. Safe to say that's no longer the case with my Riven portrayal.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryugi Kazamaru,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=JpojgwgP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-19T08:54:28.856+0000) > > LET US BEGIN ANEW. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/9b/Riven_Yasuo_UDUL_pr09a.png/revision/latest?cb=20170923155554 Confirmed
> [{quoted}](name=Unexisted,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=JpojgwgP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T04:39:35.724+0000) > > Confirmed I will end you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wuks,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=qVvvxO0V,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2018-04-19T09:09:11.859+0000) *eyes shimmer in awe.* [My dreams](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/site-feedback/WKLQkP77-sub-forums-in-roleplay) from long since past. You are the one that I have been waiting for, my prince, take me away. *Ahem.* Pardon me. Let me add to this poor excuse of a post how I feel about the suggested organization of threads. Right off the bat, I can see the first option being generally more accepted, easier on the eyes if ya know what I mean. I do see some wonderful ideas in the second option, however, but there are a few potential issues that I see and would like to discuss. **"Character Profile Thread for RPCs."** *This would need to constantly be maintained. Unlike what we do for champions, I doubt whoever is running the thread will be willing to activity check every character's roleplayer. Should they decide to leave an inactive character on the thread, it would only serve to clutter it, and suddenly we end up with 100 pages+ of characters that are no longer in use. It could be beneficial, for now, all one has to do is simply link to the comment on their thread whenever they need to post their character's profile to another thread.* *In which case the thread becomes an inventory of both active and non-active characters. So to reiterate my concern more precisely, the thread itself would become all mucked up by hordes of entries of inactive characters. And considering there is a post limitation, one might have to post a second or even third time to get their entire profile out on the page. /Unless they use a google document,/ in which case, why bother having a thread for character profiles? As well, they could just simply link their google document, as opposed to linking a comment from this thread. So why is it better to use a thread than a google document?* **"RP Interest Check / Recruiting Threads."** *I see plenty of these types of threads swimming about on the RP boards, and this, I believe, is a fantastic way of eliminating those completely. There should be a sort of application format for those who wish to advertise their threads to fill out mentioned somewhere in the OP.* **"Champion Auditions for "Ask Threads"/"In-Universe/Divergent RP" Only."** *Is there really a need to pin champion audition threads? With threads being sorted, it wouldn't really be an issue of having to dig through hundreds of threads to find. If it's announced in the OOC thread, wouldn't that suffice?* **"Specific Champion Locations (DuCouteau Estate, Caitlyn's Office etc)."** *I ran into a slight issue during my time as Kennen. There was (still is) an active Akali and Shen roleplayer, and their Ask threads, like mine, were listed as "the Kinkou Dojo." Having three Kinkou Dojos is redundant - so I made sure to explain that my Kennen's Ask thread was his room within the dojo, and we settled on using Akali's thread as the main Kinkou Dojo. This was confusing for others, who were not aware of this decision. We did have plans on creating a Kinkou Dojo thread, and use our respective Ask threads as "our rooms," which would have made sense.* *However, I do think to separate champion locations from non-champion locations might be just a tad too much. Combining them wouldn't lead to a mass clutter, I feel. As much as we want to stress the importance of a Champion, it is not necessary to create a sub-forum only for champion locations that, for all we know, would only get about 10 or so created threads in there.* **"Institute of War setting."** *A nice idea, but I'm afraid that it might be underused. We don't really have a way of knowing if many people still care enough to want to operate under the IoW lore. If this were to truly be deserving of its own pin, then I'd like to see its own regional hubs. Frankly, this could nestle under the AU sub-forum.* **"Crossover RPing! Cracky Fun-Times galore & Doesn't need to be League Related."** *I can see these three pins being condensed into one. Crossovers, crack, and non-league related roleplay threads would be marked as such. You might have some crossover crack threads, hell, some crossover, crack and non-league related threads. On their own they do not seem deserving of their own pin, I feel, but together, they do. The only difference of this pin would be that champ claims /do/ matter, whereas the other pin does not, and is also a combination of crossover/crack.* Potential Thread Breakdown: >Roleplay Boards ├ General. (Instead of Main RP Board because this is not where the majority of roleplay will occur.) │ ├ Rules │ ├ Getting Started / Help for Newcomers │ └ OOC and Discussion │ └ RP Interest Check / Recruiting Threads *Rules, Getting Started, and OOC discussion threads should be listed first, more likely for them to be seen and viewed by newer members.* >├ Original Lore RP │ ├ Ask a Champion │ ├ Region Hubs │ ├ Other Locations (Kinkou Dojo, Laluna's Cafe, what have you) *The Kinkou Dojo, for example, would be listed in the 'Other Locations' sub-forum, whereas the champion's rooms would act as their Ask thread, therefore be listed in the Ask a Champion sub-forum. The Dojo should also be listed somewhere (if it exists) in the Ionia thread.* >├ Divergent Lore RP │ ├ Alternate Universes (Star Guardian, PROJECT, Institute of War) │ ├ Cross and Crack Shenanigans (champ-claim) │ └ Anything Goes (no champ-claim) *Because we now have the option of sub-forums, I caution the use of overdoing it. "Well why not separate the two pins when we can do it? Why bother condensing?" Because we don't want to make things look **cluttered.** That is what we are trying to fix here, to make it easy for everyone, newcomers, and veterans, to navigate. We don't want to scare anyone off because we have fifty different sub-forums.*
> [{quoted}](name=rajfdjsaklgj,realm=NA,application-id=jxzFAe03,discussion-id=qVvvxO0V,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2018-04-20T07:12:00.147+0000) > > > **"Character Profile Thread for RPCs."** > > *This would need to constantly be maintained. Unlike what we do for champions, I doubt whoever is running the thread will be willing to activity check every character's roleplayer. Should they decide to leave an inactive character on the thread, it would only serve to clutter it, and suddenly we end up with 100 pages+ of characters that are no longer in use. It could be beneficial, for now, all one has to do is simply link to the comment on their thread whenever they need to post their character's profile to another thread.* > > *In which case the thread becomes an inventory of both active and non-active characters. So to reiterate my concern more precisely, the thread itself would become all mucked up by hordes of entries of inactive characters. And considering there is a post limitation, one might have to post a second or even third time to get their entire profile out on the page. /Unless they use a google document,/ in which case, why bother having a thread for character profiles? As well, they could just simply link their google document, as opposed to linking a comment from this thread. So why is it better to use a thread than a google document?* The short version is that it wouldn't be maintained by anyone, at least in my hypothetical version of it. Basically, people post a bit about their character in a post, and can then link others to that post if they want, since every post made on the boards has a permalink. It's not as elegant, but it works and causes less management issues. If they want to go above the word limit, Google Docs can be linked for bigger profiles. I'd think this would be brief or condensed versions for things, mostly, but a place ON THE BOARDS where people can post character things. =) > **"RP Interest Check / Recruiting Threads."** > > *I see plenty of these types of threads swimming about on the RP boards, and this, I believe, is a fantastic way of eliminating those completely. There should be a sort of application format for those who wish to advertise their threads to fill out mentioned somewhere in the OP.* Pretty sure this would be done exactly like you're suggesting, with people saying how to apply etc. And they have a thread to discuss it. > **"Champion Auditions for "Ask Threads"/"In-Universe/Divergent RP" Only."** > > *Is there really a need to pin champion audition threads? With threads being sorted, it wouldn't really be an issue of having to dig through hundreds of threads to find. If it's announced in the OOC thread, wouldn't that suffice?* Possibly. The auditions would be taking place away from the RPing centers in the mockup, so they'd be in only one of the subforums. > **"Specific Champion Locations (DuCouteau Estate, Caitlyn's Office etc)."** > > *I ran into a slight issue during my time as Kennen. There was (still is) an active Akali and Shen roleplayer, and their Ask threads, like mine, were listed as "the Kinkou Dojo." Having three Kinkou Dojos is redundant - so I made sure to explain that my Kennen's Ask thread was his room within the dojo, and we settled on using Akali's thread as the main Kinkou Dojo. This was confusing for others, who were not aware of this decision. We did have plans on creating a Kinkou Dojo thread, and use our respective Ask threads as "our rooms," which would have made sense.* > > *However, I do think to separate champion locations from non-champion locations might be just a tad too much. Combining them wouldn't lead to a mass clutter, I feel. As much as we want to stress the importance of a Champion, it is not necessary to create a sub-forum only for champion locations that, for all we know, would only get about 10 or so created threads in there.* I know it's a bit confusing to look at there, but essentially, in both versions, there are only either 3 subforums or 5 subforums with all those breakdowns included in them. So, Champion Specific Locations as well as Location Hubs and Taverns would be in the same subforum under "In-Universe RP" or something. > **"Institute of War setting."** > > *A nice idea, but I'm afraid that it might be underused. We don't really have a way of knowing if many people still care enough to want to operate under the IoW lore. If this were to truly be deserving of its own pin, then I'd like to see its own regional hubs. Frankly, this could nestle under the AU sub-forum.* As said above, they'd be combined in the actual implementation, just as you suggested. > **"Crossover RPing! Cracky Fun-Times galore & Doesn't need to be League Related."** > > *I can see these three pins being condensed into one. Crossovers, crack, and non-league related roleplay threads would be marked as such. You might have some crossover crack threads, hell, some crossover, crack and non-league related threads. On their own they do not seem deserving of their own pin, I feel, but together, they do. The only difference of this pin would be that champ claims /do/ matter, whereas the other pin does not, and is also a combination of crossover/crack.* Ditto to above.
: On the Subject of the Current State of the RP Boards
So, people on Discord are/have been suggesting something awesome. FREAKING SUBFORUMS!! Now, there are limits on how deep we can go. Insert Inception joke here. Basically, we get one level. But, here are two proposed breakdowns of how things could be structured to help things work better. One is by Rumble, one is by me. Use them to get discussion going! > Roleplay Boards > ├ General > │ ├ Rules > │ ├ Getting Started / Help for Newcomers > │ └ OOC and Discussion > │ > ├ Original Lore > │ ├ Region Hubs > │ ├ Ask a Champion! > │ └ Stories > │ > └ Divergent Lore > ├ Alternate Universes > └ Crossover --- > Roleplay Boards > ├ Main Roleplaying Hub > │ ├ Champion Auditions for "Ask Threads"/"In-Universe/Divergent RP" Only > │ ├ RP Interest Check / Recruiting Threads > │ ├ OOC and Discussion > │ ├ Getting Started / Help for Newcomers > │ ├ Character Profile Thread for RPCs > │ └ Rules and Guidelines > │ > ├ In-Universe RP > │ ├ "Canon Continuity" /more serious RPing > │ ├ Specific Region Hubs > │ ├ Specific Champion Locations (DuCouteau Estate, Caitlyn's Office etc) > │ └ Other Locations (Laluna's Cafe, Taverns Shops etc) > │ > ├ Universe-Divergent RP > │ ├ Champ. RPers can allow others to use their champion here with permission. > │ ├ Alternate Universes (Star Guardian, PROJECT, etc) > │ └ Institute of War setting (For all the Old-School Lore fans) > │ > ├ "Ask a Champion!" > │ └ "Official" Ask Threads here. (No more Ask-Thread clutter in the RP sections!) > │ > └ Misc. Roleplaying > ├ Anything goes here, champ claims don't matter, anyone can be anyone! > ├ Crossover RPing! > ├ Cracky Fun-Times galore > └ Doesn't need to be League Related Titles are WIP and not finalized, but those are the ideas we've been kicking around to sort this stuff out.
: The Break Room - OOC Lounge
This thread has become so powerful it has broken Riot's forum code. Therefore, we ask that any new OOC discussions and questions be directed to the below thread. [**The Break Room 2: Electric Boogaloo**](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/roleplaying/JpojgwgP-the-break-room-2-electric-bogaloo-ooc-lounge)
: OOC Lounge
Old thread got borked. LET US BEGIN ANEW.
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Krizonar (NA)
: Champion Auditions - Kai'sa (Judge Selection) [VOTES!]
Probably because they forgot to make the poll allow for multiple selections. I was literally busy all day or I'd have made it myself. Until we can get a fixed poll, just type your two votes in the thread as normal.
: On the Subject of the Current State of the RP Boards
A Note: The rules currently allow for others to use champions in RPs that are not that champion's main RPer under certain circumstances. Just thought I'd remind people of that since it is a thing we have. To address some of the other stuff, I tossed out an idea of removing "Ask Threads" as a necessity or requirement for champion RPers the last time stuff like this came up. What would replace them is an emphasis on _location-based RPing_. So, Piltovan champs would RP in Piltover, Noxian champs in Noxus, etc. They could still have dedicated threads, like Caitlyn's office, or Katarina's Estate etc, of course, but the EMPHASIS would be on connecting people in these hubs of activity. Bring people together, and they'll typically interact. That's the theory behind it, anyway. Mini-plots could happen all the time in there. And bigger plots and specialty closed RPs and stuff could still continue as normal. But it was just an idea anyway.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Well Riven was always "The exiled",how would she have ever made a difference in Noxus while not even being Noxus?
> [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rAm0O20r,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-04-02T20:38:57.889+0000) > > Well Riven was always "The exiled",how would she have ever made a difference in Noxus while not even being Noxus? Excellent question, and a valid point. The answer, however, would have been for her to eventually find her way back to Noxus to "reforge that which was broken." Her newly released full lore, however, does little to point her in that direction.
: Riven's Lore Change [The original Quilletta Varn exiled to Ionia]
It seems my ultimate conclusion here was dead on. Her new lore leaves her exactly where I said she'd be. A broken woman on the sidelines exiled far from anywhere she could make a difference. And, as such, that's truly a let-down.
: New Noxus Lore - Is Riven even special anymore?
I would like to reiterate some points made here in light of the new lore release. It seems I was right afterall.
: Champion Auditions - Kai'Sa, The Daughter of the Void
As a reminder, you should wait until I give the go-ahead to post auditions. Otherwise the community could be made biased in their decision.
Rioter Comments
: Champion Auditions - Kai'Sa, Judge Selection
As always, my name is in the hat. Sorry this took so long. Kaz has been very busy as of late. @__@
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: The Circling Crow (Open Bar Hub :: Noxus)
(( Ira is around, but has been having internet issues. I'm sure no one wants to post more than they do. But life comes at you hard sometimes. ))
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryugi Kazamaru,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yjOEspw9,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-03-17T01:02:40.366+0000) > > The apparent Yasuo is really just a guy with their face obscured by a hat. Not him. I had to look closely to be sure, but not Yasuo. No, not that guy. To his left. https://i.imgur.com/yGo1C9g.png
> [{quoted}](name=KestrelGirl,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yjOEspw9,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-17T01:18:36.449+0000) > > No, not that guy. To his left. https://i.imgur.com/yGo1C9g.png Yeah, not Yasuo. Clothing is entirely different, sword is not an odachi (aka bigass katana), and the "hair" there is the same style of hat that the other warriors are wearing over their heads, only being knocked off by a blow or attack. It's not his ponytail.
: The Break Room - OOC Lounge
Only if she's murdering him. >__>
: Yeah, it's actually Yasuo vs Riven. Also someone mentioned Shen maybe making an appearance though I couldn't catch him.
> [{quoted}](name=KestrelGirl,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yjOEspw9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-17T01:00:36.559+0000) > > Yeah, it's actually Yasuo vs Riven. Also someone mentioned Shen maybe making an appearance though I couldn't catch him. The apparent Yasuo is really just a guy with their face obscured by a hat. Not him. I had to look closely to be sure, but not Yasuo.
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: The Break Room - OOC Lounge
#**GUYS!! IN THE IRELIA TEASER!! SEE ANYONE FAMILIAR!? I SURE DO.** https://i.gyazo.com/80fccd14dde11d752a769cd277230dec.png
Kameil (NA)
: The Ask Champion Compendium
I don't need to willpower it away (even though I'm pretty certain I've posted on day 13 and not 14 typically). I can just, you know, do what's done to normally remove them. Strikes aren't the end of the world like everyone thinks they are. Just be active and they go away. It's literally that simple.
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