: ...that's not how you make a game. that's how you write a book. games are not books. there are books that claim to be games, but they're just interactive books. you wouldnt call a popup book a game would you? just because you can move the character around on the page doesnt make it a game. i'll humor you though, but a sword with two chained shield is just idiotic. so i'll be changing that part. morgana uses dark magic. kayle uses holy magic. if you want them to be darkin so badly and want them to represent the balance carried by the 4 horsemen then give them interlocking pendants. pendants are on chains. pendants can be used in fantasy as a way to grant or amplify magical properties. have one be purple and one be gold. and there's your scale in the form of yin and yang. way more practical and way less of a stretch. you want them to combine? okay. give them a passive that allows them to do to each other what kayn does to his opponents with the exception being that it grants buffs to their ally instead of dealing damage. after a certain amount of time they separate. when they combine they become a 4 white winged humanoid demon that glows gold and strikes with purple lightning. in a similar fashion to swains new r. whoever enters the other player can choose to exit early, but will be unable to control the movement or actions otherwise. the aura will weaken enemy players magic resist and armor and slow while dealing hybrid AOE DOT damage. morgana and kayles R's could require HP or mana per second and be toggle capable. kayle's R will be her rightous flying mode, grant her wings of an eagle allowing her to fly and deal ranged magic damage to targets. morganas R will grant her wings (similar to a crows) and allow her to fly and siphon health through a tether from nearby targets slowing them while tethered and stunning them if they're under the effect for 3 seconds. kayles E will be a shield that grants protection from physical damage morganas E will be a shield that grants protection from magical damage kayles W will be an AOE heal and movement speed buff morganas W will be an AOE DOT slow that shreds magic resist. kayles Q will be an attack speed buff that slows and shreds armor. morganas Q will be a skill shot snare.
I don't have a pencil, or a tablet. I could MS paint with my mouse, but no one wants too see that. Well, it's a dish, so from an overhead perspective, it would look like a halo, like the one she has now, but when it isn't flaming it's just a little glowing half sphere. Morgana's would be broken, and glow when she ults. Also yeah, you hit the nail on the head with Morgana. https://pre00.deviantart.net/115a/th/pre/i/2013/153/a/e/ghost_bride_morgana_riotzeronis_by_zeronis-d67lcfb.jpg Cover that bitch in chains, bitches love chains.
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Arammus (EUW)
: "league was set back to an older version"
Try moving the file location out of Program Files. There may be a problem with file permissions. Be sure to allow LoL to bypass the firewall when it updates. Run it as administrator. That should be everything.
: https://imgur.com/a/yvCQlf9 because this looks **stupid.** and comparing it to a scale or _balance_ is **laughable.**
Or you know, the shields can fly... like Aatrox's sword or Kayn's scythe... Like, imagine Kayle as she is now, but a chain of light is coming off of the sword and going into a ball above her head, like a halo, which she then throws at people to shield them. Meanwhile Morgana has chains wrapped around her, which leads to what looks like a broken halo above her head, which she throws out to shield people.
: https://imgur.com/a/yvCQlf9 because this looks **stupid.** and comparing it to a scale or _balance_ is **laughable.**
I don't know, this looks pretty neat. https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2014/04/02/10/57/scale-305020_960_720.png or this https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/0a/54/c40a54f1f96d30cb0019404d84939d7a.png or this https://i.pinimg.com/236x/b9/09/b9/b909b926dde8d1b934624197d91810dd--justice-tattoo-libra-tattoo.jpg This https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-sword-balance-scale-over-white-background-d-illustration-41153098.jpg Someone tattooed this one on https://www.askideas.com/media/35/Black-Ink-Sword-Justice-Scale-Tattoo-On-Leg.jpg
: ...that's not how you make a game. that's how you write a book. games are not books. there are books that claim to be games, but they're just interactive books. you wouldnt call a popup book a game would you? just because you can move the character around on the page doesnt make it a game. i'll humor you though, but a sword with two chained shield is just idiotic. so i'll be changing that part. morgana uses dark magic. kayle uses holy magic. if you want them to be darkin so badly and want them to represent the balance carried by the 4 horsemen then give them interlocking pendants. pendants are on chains. pendants can be used in fantasy as a way to grant or amplify magical properties. have one be purple and one be gold. and there's your scale in the form of yin and yang. way more practical and way less of a stretch. you want them to combine? okay. give them a passive that allows them to do to each other what kayn does to his opponents with the exception being that it grants buffs to their ally instead of dealing damage. after a certain amount of time they separate. when they combine they become a 4 white winged humanoid demon that glows gold and strikes with purple lightning. in a similar fashion to swains new r. whoever enters the other player can choose to exit early, but will be unable to control the movement or actions otherwise. the aura will weaken enemy players magic resist and armor and slow while dealing hybrid AOE DOT damage. morgana and kayles R's could require HP or mana per second and be toggle capable. kayle's R will be her rightous flying mode, grant her wings of an eagle allowing her to fly and deal ranged magic damage to targets. morganas R will grant her wings (similar to a crows) and allow her to fly and siphon health through a tether from nearby targets slowing them while tethered and stunning them if they're under the effect for 3 seconds. kayles E will be a shield that grants protection from physical damage morganas E will be a shield that grants protection from magical damage kayles W will be an AOE heal and movement speed buff morganas W will be an AOE DOT slow that shreds magic resist. kayles Q will be an attack speed buff that slows and shreds armor. morganas Q will be a skill shot snare.
So sisters who are the personification of light and dark, good and evil, aren't properly represented by a scale? Do... Do you not know what a scale is? The lore has a group called the Great Balance, which is lead by a golden armored warrior queen. Okay, let's say Kayle has 1 half of a Darkin and she dominates it, like Kayn can dominate Rhaast, and then she uses that Darkin to fight other Darkin, meanwhile Morgana has the other half of that Darkin and she is dominated by it, like when Rhaast dominates Kayn. Does that not make sense? ...but Riot doesn't want to make them gems, they want to make them the 4 weapons of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. Because in the lore, the apocalypse is literally going to happen soon. Zoe is a messenger from the gods saying the gods are going to all die. ...Have you ever played Fallout 3? In that game, when you enter the first town, the first thing they introduce is a live atomic bomb at the center of town, when that quest ends, you either disarm or detonate that bomb. When you enter the Brotherhood of Steel's stronghold, they show you into a lab with a giant robot in it, at the end of their quest, that giant robot gets up and blows it's way to the end of the game. Even in video games, if they introduce something at the beginning, by the end, you're going to be involved with that. ...but their kits already have chains, a sword, and 2 shields... Why would putting them together be more of a stretch than ignoring the obvious analogy to the black ride, in favor of a rock? Is a chain sword really too much of a stretch? Like, imagine the keyblade from Kingdom hearts, but the keychains hold 2 demonic eyeballs.
: i'd be okay with an artistic approach similar to the costumes for hel, but i wouldnt want the champions combined at all. my point i guess is that i hope they make a new champion for the 4th darkin instead of combining them into a darkin. even just making morgana a darkin would be weird. especially since morgana doesnt carry a weapon.
What do you mean stitched together? The weapon is a god damn scale. The Darkin would hold out the sword, like the Lady of Justice, and chains would hold Kayle's divine shield, and Morgana's black shield as if they were being weight on the scale, and when they cast their shields, the dish of the scale would fly out and shield their target. That sounds badass. The Darkin's rivals are the Great Balance, lead by a female warrior in golden armor... Scale.. balance... darkin... angels... do you literally not see it? Riot has introduced the fact that Darkin can take two people and fuse them together... why would Riot make such a big deal about that if they were not gonna use that as a mechanic? In story telling, it's called Chekhov's gun. If you introduce a gun in the first act, it's going to be shot in the second. It's story telling 101.
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=ErAKOEXB,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-24T02:57:08.686+0000) > > ...so by that logic Galio and Pantheo have the same ultimate? no, Panth can cast it where ever he wants, and it doesn't knock up, Galio has to target an ally and it knocks up wait for yours, does she travel or is it like she goes up and comes down in the same spot kinda like Xayah?
Like Xayah, but in the exact same spot, it would have a huge explosion, and then the earth itself would raise up out of the ground and be pulled to Kayle. Like when Thanos was fighting the Avengers, or.. Cho'Gall's ult.... but cooler.
: those arent physical weapons. the "chains" or "shackles" part of morganas R was meant to make the move sound edgy. the actual move is a soul tether that drains life force. her E is a magic veil and not a physical shield like a buckler or targe. in other words it's magic based spells that are made into physical forms that at best resemble a chain and a shield - which neither do. one's a bubble dome and the other is a beam of energy. im pretty sure the darkin are stored inside of physical weapons as a result of losing the war and not because it's their natural state. so the fourth darkin doesnt necessarily need to be in a weapon. they're just creatures from another realm. one important side note. morgana and kayle have wings. kayle flies. if they give morgana and kayle wings and make them vestyan or however it's spelled then they'll lose their identities as angel and fallen angel and instead become raven and eagle. which are honestly pretty lame. then there's the fact that since angels and fallen angels are no longer a thing... the whole thematic of kayle being able to fly because she's righteous and morgana having to walk because she's corrupt basically goes out the door. my solution? remove their wings and make kayle walk. i think it would be very interesting. most players enjoyed the two because of their personalities anyway and the good and evil aspect. then they could become rival sisters lording over the two factions involved in the darkin war (mages and warriors). plus it'd be nice to see morgana walking without that god awful slumped back that is used to show her wings. plus fixing her dress up to be elegant would be rather interesting as well. kayle would need a walk animation and it'd be great if she didnt have a helmet or had slightly more detailed armor. then they could fix her wonky on hit gameplay that upsets everyone because op or up due to fighter supports.
Yes, when she was first conceived as a champion, her chains were magical and held her too the ground... but that isn't Morgana anymore. It doesn't take a genius to imagine Morgana with chains around her that are alive. Who knows, maybe the dishes of the scale are ethereal, and Morgana can summon the "shield" with her Darkin chains. I know, but the 4th Darkin is going to be a scale, like how the 3 we have correlate to the four horsemen of the apocalypse, the next one will represent Famine, who holds a scale, that balances all things, used by the Great Balance, lead by the golden armored warrior queen, who is Kayle, who chained the rest of the Darkin underground, with the Darkin's chains, which Morgana now has. They don't need to be Vastaya, they could just have transformed, like Kayn, and grew wings, like Aatrox, and then, like with Varus, they can fuse together. Yes, and Morgana will also be able to fly. I don't think they are going to make Kayle good or Morgana evil, even now their morality is questionable. Kayle is authoritarian, and obeys the gods' every wish, while Morgana is more about freedom. Like with the renaissance's depictions of Lucifer, who was not an agent of evil, but was a champion of freedom and equality, and was cast from Heaven. I think if they remodel Morgana, she will have a female version of Varus's demon pants and have a demon dress. Kayle will NEED too keep the helmet, otherwise, what are they going to do with the Unmasked Kayle skin?
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=ErAKOEXB,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-23T01:47:52.708+0000) > > It'd be faster. That's not how u make something different
...so by that logic Galio and Pantheo have the same ultimate?
: High ping after window 10 update
Move to somewhere with Google fiber.
: How to fix many of League's current and future balance problems with one change:
Or we let CertainlyT take over reworks, and when every champion in the game is broken... https://mlpforums.com/uploads/post_images/img-3210040-1-and-when-everyone-s-super-o.gif
: Quests are stupid and Thresh is suffering
Have you tried play Thresh as a marksmen recently? Or even a solo top? With the way runes and items are going, Thresh is much better as a bully fighter or a hybrid marksmen.
: i'd be fine with them being whatever race varus was before turning darkin. plus they can always add a new race if they so choose. kayle has a sword. morgana has nothing and all of her attacks are spells she casts. where did you see the shield and chains? *edit* this is the only version i know about. https://cdn.polscygracze.pl/uploads/2017/02/morgana_vs_kayle_by_mowblack-d92f8io.jpg read varus's lore. Soon after Aatrox’s fall, Varus was cornered by **vastayan moon-stalkers** and **human mages** in service of a** golden-armored warrior queen**. They bound him within his crystalline bow, leaving him to howl with impotent rage. By now, the corrupting influence of the darkin was known, and the warrior queen alone wielded the deadly bow in the final battle of the war, loosing the last bolt that broke the bridge to the darkin world forever. golden armor warrior queen... well kayle isnt necessarily a warrior queen, but unless they're talking about jarvan's ancestors or leona or someone from one of those clans... it sounds like kayle's armor. what do you think? i found it while looking up information on varus.
He was a Darkin.... He looked like Rhaast and Aatrox... But the love of the two lovers's bodies he stole was strong enough to remain human... well, as human as 2 people mashed together could be. What do you mean you don't see her chains or shield? Her entire gameplay gimmick revolves around chains and shields. Her core identity is the evil shield and giant ass chains. Have you never played Morgana? ...you do know a queen doesn't necessarily run a kingdom. I mean Sivir is a mercenary queen, MF is a pirate queen. If Kayle was a warrior, which, yeah she was, and she lead people into battle... you could come to the conclusion that she is a golden armored warrior queen.
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=ErAKOEXB,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-05-22T06:39:59.053+0000) > > It would feel different than Galio and Pantheon. how
: i'd be okay with an artistic approach similar to the costumes for hel, but i wouldnt want the champions combined at all. my point i guess is that i hope they make a new champion for the 4th darkin instead of combining them into a darkin. even just making morgana a darkin would be weird. especially since morgana doesnt carry a weapon.
No weapon? The girl has chains and a shield. The only thing they would need to do to make her a Darkin is put an eyeball on her blackshield. Kayle and Morgana have no place in the lore unless they are Darkin. There are no angels anymore, the gods are just super powerful aliens, the afterlife is an unknown, and other than the Vastaya, Darkin are the only winged humanoids.
: Can i get a "never put me with these ppl" list?
It won't work. There just aren't enough players at the highest rank. You'd eventually be able to block everyone playing. The best you can do it add them to your block list and they can't message you.
: you know how scales have their lil dishes to hold whatever is being measured? those can be the shields. This is a neat idea, i like the idea of abstract weapons that are actually parts of a larger weapon, very nice, and great idea on chaining them together, its a new way 2 play kinda like this: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/8sMMLsJr-champ-concept-true-tag-team-champs-selidia-and-rephidium-the-ascendantos-amnesia u should make sure that Kayle's ult isn't 2 much like Galio's
It would feel different than Galio and Pantheon.
: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hm4E5ArUefw/maxresdefault.jpg hel from smite. this is a single character. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLZvYwOSb4A
I know that, but turning 2 champions into a single champion that way isn't all that exciting, and would probably just piss everyone who plays them off. Balancing a single champion with the kit of 2 champions who needs enough power across their 6 abilities to compensate for the lack of an ultimate ability leaves the basic abilities a bit too powerful, while also not being able to put in an ability with real oomph behind it. Imagine their kits now, but instead of the immortality and giant aoe tether stun, they just switched between their abilities. Sure it would be arguably more powerful, but it takes away their big show offy abilities. Besides, LoL already has plenty of transforming champions. We still don't have anything like Cho'Gall.
: I do like the story and their separate kits, but the concept of them fusing into Daaresis is just...too wild. Maybe just keep Daaresis as a part of their story? A Darkin split into two, now wielded by the two sisters. The idea of two Champions fusing into one being if on the same team seems like it'll work a lot better for a completely new Champion, and god KNOWS the kind of issues balancing that whole Daaresis concept when considering they still retain Kayle and Morgana's abilities. Along with that, would their abilities even synergize with one another in one Champion? Either way, I really like their separate kits, though I think Morgana's is changed a bit too much, really just her W. For Kayle, the only thing I would change is her ult. Maybe keep the shielding thematic and make it a much beefier version of her new E?
I think the W fits on Morgana. She can shield up to not be interrupted while she casts it, and if they fuse, she can cast W while still moving around. Their ults, Qs, shields, passive, and Ws synergize with each other. I essentially gave them the same kit. When they fuse, yes, they are stronger than any 2 champions, but being a single target causes some interesting balancing opportunities. For instance, crowed control is exponentially stronger, and powerful single target attacks are basically twice as strong.
: Can Zed’s shadow live if he is dead?
Probably. We will just have to wait for the Noc relaunch to find out what exactly the shadow is.
: If Zed is slain before Death Mark pops
No, the shadow is the one popping it. The shadow is alive, Zed is just borrowing it{{champion:56}}
heroikc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98uXmHT1,comment-id=00000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-22T02:16:08.067+0000) > > It's mostly educated guesses. The Darkin are obviously directly linked to the four horsemen, with a sword, scythe, bow, and lastly a scale. > > Kayle and Morgana being winged immortals doesn't mesh with the current lore, either making them Vastaya, which isn't very likely, or they are Darkin, a race a demonic winged immortals who can be turned angelic. > > Also, both of their kits fits perfectly with a scale: A sword, chains, and 2 shields. Thematically they are all about balance. > > Riot has talked about how they want to make a champion based on the Baba Yaga, and she is also tied to the 4 horsemen. I mean, Riot turned Varus into 2 guys who were fused together with a bow, they could do just about anything, which could just be a set up for Darkin lore fusing people, so when 2 champions have that mechanic it isn't pulled out of thin air. Good ol' Chekhov's gun. That's probably because they are sisters, and could be referencing that lady of justice, the blindfolded one who holds a scale and sword as well? You know? Balance of two extremes? Also, if I recall right, Riot also considered redoing their lore to make them vastayan. However, I do wonder how, if your conjecture proves accurate, the two split if they were once one.
Well no, the scale was one, she was the Darkin. Morgana and Kayle just use the scale, and transformed, like with Kayn, but they grew wings?... Or maybe they were Vastaya who use the scale? Who know, maybe Targon just went pop and blinked them into existence, then was like, "yo here's a Darkin don't use it to bring about the apocalypse, lol bye."
heroikc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98uXmHT1,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2018-05-22T01:43:55.967+0000) > > Both. Kayle and Morgana would have 2 halves of a single female Darkin. Kayle has conquered her half, like when Kayn enters his shadow assassin form, and Morgana would be corrupted by the Darkin. Then, like with Varus, they could have a mechanic that fuses Kayle and Morgana into the female Darkin. > > That would make these 4 Darkin representing the four horsemen of the apocalypse. The last Darkin is probably in space.. or dead, somewhere in the Shadow Isles. If you have ever heard of the Baba Yaga, it's a story of a witch who somehow has the four horsemen just hanging out in her woods. That will probably be the inspiration for the 5th and last Darkin, who will probably their mother. Seriously? Is that what Riot is planning? What's your source; I have to see it in order to believe this.
It's mostly educated guesses. The Darkin are obviously directly linked to the four horsemen, with a sword, scythe, bow, and lastly a scale. Kayle and Morgana being winged immortals doesn't mesh with the current lore, either making them Vastaya, which isn't very likely, or they are Darkin, a race a demonic winged immortals who can be turned angelic. Also, both of their kits fits perfectly with a scale: A sword, chains, and 2 shields. Thematically they are all about balance. Riot has talked about how they want to make a champion based on the Baba Yaga, and she is also tied to the 4 horsemen. I mean, Riot turned Varus into 2 guys who were fused together with a bow, they could do just about anything, which could just be a set up for Darkin lore fusing people, so when 2 champions have that mechanic it isn't pulled out of thin air. Good ol' Chekhov's gun.
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98uXmHT1,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-21T05:26:17.644+0000) > > Well the next Darkin is a scale. > https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/f/f0/Scales_of_justice.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060606184531 > So Morgana would get one dish of the scale as a shield and the chains, and Kayle would get the balancing rod as a sword and a dish as a shield. > > So their respective shields would be physical, and like with Varus, they may come with a mechanic that fuses them into a single Darkin. that sounds like a terrible idea in my mind as far as art goes. I cant imagine it looking anything remotely close to the current versions. think i'd rather have leona and diana be darkin than morgana and kayle with a scale. imagine if morgana and kayle became a single champion where you pressed R to swap between them. like hel from smite. im sor of worried about their rework now. i might have to start spamming games with morgana and kayle to keep the memories alive.
Kalye's current art already has her surrounded by her shield, it wouldn't be too much to give her a little glowing shield on her model, like with Poppy's shield. Morgana would need some more updating though. Or maybe half way through the game they fuse into a champion like Cho'Gall from HotS. I mean, neither of their current kits are all that complex, they could work as a single unit.
heroikc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98uXmHT1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-21T04:10:54.372+0000) > > Well Morg and Kayle are getting a joint relaunch with the next Darkin.... or as the next Darkin. Correct me if I am wrong, but there are five Darkin, three of whom are known ({{champion:266}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:110}}) However, Varus's short story that came with his lore update gives a suggestion to who the fourth or fifth maybe. If what you say is accurate, then tell me this; which one is/will be Varus's sister?
Both. Kayle and Morgana would have 2 halves of a single female Darkin. Kayle has conquered her half, like when Kayn enters his shadow assassin form, and Morgana would be corrupted by the Darkin. Then, like with Varus, they could have a mechanic that fuses Kayle and Morgana into the female Darkin. That would make these 4 Darkin representing the four horsemen of the apocalypse. The last Darkin is probably in space.. or dead, somewhere in the Shadow Isles. If you have ever heard of the Baba Yaga, it's a story of a witch who somehow has the four horsemen just hanging out in her woods. That will probably be the inspiration for the 5th and last Darkin, who will probably their mother.
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: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98uXmHT1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-21T04:10:54.372+0000) > > Well Morg and Kayle are getting a joint relaunch with the next Darkin.... or as the next Darkin. what like a dual rework?
Yeah, new kits, new lore, new models, new voices, both at the same time. It's also heavily implied by Varus that they may come with a mechanic that the weapons they have, Kayle's sword and Morgana's chains, come from a single Darkin, and it could mash Kayle and Morgana together into a single champion.
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98uXmHT1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-21T04:10:54.372+0000) > > Well Morg and Kayle are getting a joint relaunch with the next Darkin.... or as the next Darkin. What would be morganas weapon?
> [{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98uXmHT1,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-05-21T04:36:09.266+0000) > > What would be morganas weapon? Well the next Darkin is a scale. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/f/f0/Scales_of_justice.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060606184531 So Morgana would get one dish of the scale as a shield and the chains, and Kayle would get the balancing rod as a sword and a dish as a shield. So their respective shields would be physical, and like with Varus, they may come with a mechanic that fuses them into a single Darkin.
SkyeMoon (NA)
: Tormented Soil - Grievous Wounds?
Well Morg and Kayle are getting a joint relaunch with the next Darkin.... or as the next Darkin.
: I like these ideas, but they are way too imbalanced from each other. No will ever build Oasis and most people will opt for Equinox, maybe Watchers
Really? Most of the comments talk about Oasis being the strongest one.
: Okay, so after everything I said, you still seem to believe that 2 cleanses on a 90 sec cd will not break the supp role. I guess there's no point in continuing this argument, since you don't seem to understand how strong 2 free cleanses within 15 secs can be.
But a marksmen already has access to two cleanses that come with slow resistance, plus another from their support, and a spell shield. {{summoner:1}} {{item:3139}} {{item:3222}} {{item:3814}} And if they are Sivir{{champion:15}} with a Morgana{{champion:25}} , they have access to 6 ways of blocking crowed control effects, 3 of which negate damage from spells. I don't see how making these tools a little easier and less situational would be a bad thing. Heck, they could even change the existing items to better balance the frankly absurd amount of tools marksmen already have.
Stacona (NA)
: FROSTfang, it should grant bonus magic damage on hit and slow the target down on hit. AncientCOIN, make it grant movement speed for x seconds and bonus magic damage on spells and attacks based on the target's total gold earned for that game. RelicSHIELD, grants a shield for x second, based on your health and ability power (two ratios) and the target's next basic attack reduces its target's damage by x% to y% for x seconds, scaling based on the target's level that you casted smite on. This be a cool way to add more summoner spells in the game and have more spell diversity, and not have abuse by other players.
: {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
I mean it's just Cleanse with the Ardent Censor buff for 3 seconds, I don't think it's much better than the shield and ground.
: Oh I think It's a great idea to give support options for smite, just those effects are all OP. I would need to be something more smite-y, like: Exhausting Smite: You can smite enemy champions (for no damage). Champions you smite move 15% slower and deal 30% reduced damage. or Frost Smite: You can smite enemy champions (for no damage). Champions you smite become revealed and take 5% increased true damage from all sources.
Yeah, but I wanted too keep it thematic with the items. Since they all have to do with things that are buffed, the Ascended, the Aspects, the Iceborn, so I figure the best thing that should happen is you gain a buff from those receptive buffs. Temporarily becoming an Ascended, an Aspect, and an Iceborn.
Terchio (NA)
: First off, I feel like this is where Tracker Knife tried to go. Second, I don't know that I like Smite targeting allies now. Enemy Smite wasn't much adjustment, but neutral monsters were effectively enemies, anyway. Now you'd have to track your Smites and make sure you bought the utility one. Third, and maybe most importantly, these aren't even available on regular items. Ardent Sensor is as close as it gets, and even that is tied to inherent heals within one's kit. The last 2 work as a super-Mikael's, with a couple small limitations. If a decent utility smite option were available, it probably should be something like Twin Shadows, or a small single-stat boost, since it will not be tied to being a utility champion through heals. It would be odd that utility would be so strong when the current Smite effects are mostly smaller versions of what's already available. Last thing I need right now is Janna/Galio/Kog where Galio actually boosts Kog better than Janna, plus has his inherent hold.
Any champion can trigger Ardent Censor. Ashe was the champion that caused them to nerf it when every Ashe was taking Ardent Censor and dealing way too much early game damage, because all it took was an ally to attack her target to trigger it, while she has Font of Life. I still see Ashes take it from time to time. I take Ardent Censor on Zlean, and I can get near the quad digits with it's on hit damage. I had one game where I was support Mundo and I took all of the bonus healing items and caused Font of Life to heal so much that my marksmen was able to heal through just about anything.
: Okay, so lets give a free cleanse on a 90 sec cd at level 1, and make champions like skarner/warwick/leona completely useless since their teamfight initiating ults have longer cooldowns. Not to mention the possibility of top/mid taking smite and have more cleanses and make the adc completely untouchable. And you seem to be okay with that? This is why riot should never take balance ideas from the boards. Especially not from low elo players, who have very little idea about how the game works.
I think at level 1 it would just be smite. These seem like things you would have to finish the item quest to unlock. I mean, it does fit in with the eye of the item opening. So maybe after sinking in 2000 gold and after like 10 minutes, you would get a "free" cleanse that has a 90 second cooldown, which can stack twice, which has a 15 second cooldown between casts. Until then you can't really do much with smite besides help take down dragons. Unless you went with Relic shield, then smite does help with farming.
: Why not Mid are already better smite users then Jungler, time to make Sup better smite users too. While their at it riot can just delete the jungle role.
They already did, it's called Twisted Treeline.
Andrey0345 (EUNE)
: Grounding on aa's is kinda broken.
Probably, maybe.
: > Golden Gift: Smite an ally to increase their attack range, size, and movement speed for 3 seconds. Yes an amazing idea, because immobile juggernauts enjoy being perma-kited and right-clicked on by adcs. Makes for very interactive gameplay > Targon's Blessing: Smite an ally to shield them, based on your health, for 3 seconds. While the shield is active, the attacks your ally makes Grounds their target. As if shields weren't irritating enough, your attacks make divers and assassins sitting ducks trying to walk up to you to attack you. > Watcher's Corruption: Smite an ally to Cleanse them, For 3 seconds after, the Smited ally is immune to slows and deals bonus magic damage on their attacks. Of course, what could go wrong? Enemy rakan/maokai initiates, land their combo and you use a point-click spell to nullify everything. Seems balanced. And yes, even more damage, when everyone other than supports can one-hit you in a combo. Not to mention all of these buffs are point-click, like shields, leaving no way for opponents to play around them. This is why riot doesn't listen to and implement every suggestion on the boards. Or maybe they did, which is why adcs and supports were overbuffed and left unchanged in their overpowered state for years
Like, I'm not treading new ground here, supports and marksmen already have these tools... except the ground... but instead of being relegated to situational summoner spells and items, they are on smite, which is a lot more versatile than say, building {{item:3222}}
: So all of Vlad skins will have that Q animation ? Please Riot...
...Isn't Vlad on the chopping block for a full relaunch? The guy has a bad model with giant cube hands, he has stilted animations, his gameplay is lacking in nearly every aspect, his lore is disconnected from the rest of the champions and the rest of the world, and his voice lines are lacking and poor quality. I think Riot should put more effort into what Vlad is going to be, instead of making him presentable now.
: Why cant I buy items as adc
They used too, but it turns out giving the class that has the fastest wave clear the best wave clear tool was a bad idea.
: AFK Time limit doesn't actually go away
It does not mater the reason. It happened. Your dog got hit by a car and you left the game? That's a penalty. Your computer literally exploded during a game? That's a penalty. Crapped your pants? That's a penalty. Taking too long to buy an item? Oh you better believe that's a penalty. https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--Jatf_pqF--/b_rgb:42332c,c_limit,f_jpg,h_800,q_90,w_800/v1487554430/production/designs/1241989_1.jpg
: Predicted? or just inspo Riot?
First off, that is not a very original idea, and I can guarantee that a hundred people before you have thought of it. Second, every idea under the sun has been on this board. Just because someone thought of something "first" does not mean they own the idea. Third, Riot has a hundred skins in the works at any given time and are just waiting for the right window to release them. You want an obvious skin for an obvious champion? Well the skin is ready done.
: :0 I really like this idea. I'm not sure about these effects / durations specifically...they sound a bit OP, but the idea of making smite an option for a support and still being relevant is super interesting.
Well the effects I chose because they were thematic with the item. Ascended Eye ascends an ally, like with Nasus's ult, but smaller. It just made sense that Targon would shield and ground people. And the Watchers, which we know almost nothing about, I still left it open to maybe being the Void, but definitely giving the ally Iceborne powers.
: What is Dark Water?
The "Dark Water" is a giant inky mass that dwells at the very bottom of the ocean. It's what turned Naut into a giant souless husk that Illaoi's god eventually possessed( that maybe retconed, I don't know.) It's what took Fizz's entire race of people. Nami's people even have a weapon to keep it at bay, but it broke. So in the context of Pyke and these skins, it's likely they are under the influence of the Dark Water... but again, this could have all been retconned away with Naut, so who knows.
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Necrozard (EUW)
: > "You can't have a tank assassin." How could Pyke be a tank ? No idea how that's even possible
> [{quoted}](name=Necrozard,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=8msnoYdV,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-15T16:09:14.826+0000) > > How could Pyke be a tank ? > > No idea how that's even possible Items with a ton of armor and magic resist give him attack damage. Like, that's the gimmick of his passive. {{item:3143}} gives him armor, attack damage, and resistance to crits. You can be a tank with a small health pool... although true damage will be a problem.
: What Stops Pyke From Going Mid?
Pyke is the new Lee Sin, he can do it all... until Riot nerfs him in a way where he will stay a support.
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