: Except for Grungy Nunu, which is apparently sewn now.
> [{quoted}](name=urgotdangit,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=080vTbAo,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-15T21:56:59.138+0000) > > Except for Grungy Nunu, which is apparently sewn now. Nah, that's more of a PJ skin, like Dino Gnar, or Meowkai.
Toppien (NA)
: lol imagine to ult yourself into the enemy fountain XD or to baron or drags or out of the map XD {{sticker:sg-jinx}}
> [{quoted}](name=Toppien,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dL2TJFRF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-15T21:25:33.022+0000) > > lol imagine to ult yourself into the enemy fountain XD > > or to baron > > or drags > > or out of the map XD > > {{sticker:sg-jinx}} Nah, it range would be nerfed, probably be like half of Taliyah's max level ult.
Rioter Comments
: Provide context for this post. What even is this?
> [{quoted}](name=Tharizdûn,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=080vTbAo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-15T19:02:30.583+0000) > > Provide context for this post. > > What even is this? The Voodoo Doll skin line. [Orianna ](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/0/0d/Orianna_SewnChaosSkin.jpg)is the only champion to have the skin, but [Blitz and Amumu](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/EDt7_7emKot7zFMyhcNoo3XWNXQ=/0x0:1215x717/1200x800/filters:focal(620x216:814x410)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/52910367/Amumu_Splash_9.0.jpg) have canceled Sewn Chaos skins.
Rioter Comments
: _"Naganeka of Zuretta watched from within her hooded cowl, a long scaled robe draped over the coiled length of her body."_ _"She pulled back her hooded cowl, revealing her many hypnotic eyes rimmed with ash, and scaled lips overhung by long, ebony fangs. She bent over the wound in Xuuyan’s back, and her tongue flicked out to taste his death."_ https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/twilight-of-the-gods/ Probably not as attractive as Cassiopeia, unless you're into that sort of thing.
> [{quoted}](name=Tharizdûn,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=U7GmZu39,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-14T05:15:24.146+0000) > > _"Naganeka of Zuretta watched from within her hooded cowl, a long scaled robe draped over the coiled length of her body."_ > > _"She pulled back her hooded cowl, revealing her many hypnotic eyes rimmed with ash, and scaled lips overhung by long, ebony fangs. She bent over the wound in Xuuyan’s back, and her tongue flicked out to taste his death."_ > > https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/twilight-of-the-gods/ > > Probably not as attractive as Cassiopeia, unless you're into that sort of thing. So she has long fangs and medusa hair, Riot can still make it work.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=U7GmZu39,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-08-14T04:06:36.661+0000) > https://orig00.deviantart.net/b0e0/f/2014/008/1/d/sasasul_by_minervasden-d71gjyc.png https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bokunoheroacademia/images/4/43/Habuko_Mongoose_Anime_Profile.png/revision/latest?cb=20180718205917
> [{quoted}](name=SEKAI,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=U7GmZu39,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-08-14T04:23:17.469+0000) > > https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bokunoheroacademia/images/4/43/Habuko_Mongoose_Anime_Profile.png/revision/latest?cb=20180718205917 https://media.giphy.com/media/FjeGBljESVAzu/giphy.gif
: I can see naganeka as the opposite of cassiopeia. Instead of having a half snake body/having her lower half being a snake, she could have his upper body have humanoid features and doesn't have a snake tail like this: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/escapethenight/images/0/04/Snake_Woman.png/revision/latest?cb=20180626080130
> [{quoted}](name=JonnyBoyy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=U7GmZu39,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-14T03:46:56.954+0000) > > I can see naganeka as the opposite of cassiopeia. Instead of having a half snake body/having her lower half being a snake, she could have his upper body have humanoid features and doesn't have a snake tail like this: > https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/escapethenight/images/0/04/Snake_Woman.png/revision/latest?cb=20180626080130 https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/836/762/a88.gif I was thinking more like this https://orig00.deviantart.net/b0e0/f/2014/008/1/d/sasasul_by_minervasden-d71gjyc.png
SEKAI (OCE)
: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-g7OAZhMjC3g/VcLAPuvw5EI/AAAAAAAACa4/wRjJWA1GPmI/w530-h393-n/15%2B-%2B1 EDIT: changed the image, same character. EDIT2: But I'll put it back just because https://nerderyofficial.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/img_3227.png
> [{quoted}](name=SEKAI,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=U7GmZu39,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-14T01:21:41.300+0000) > > https://nerderyofficial.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/img_3227.png Get that basic trash out of here.
Rioter Comments
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MrNhbdy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T01:38:09.358+0000) > > Thanks for the lore update a bit. > > Where does it say that Kayle and Morgana ARE native Demacians? I mean yes the Universe shows them being connected to demacia but till the lore update for them there is nothing saying they were BORN in Demacia. So ruling out Targon is like saying Taric has nothing to do with Targon because his location is Demacia. The map doesn't show where they are born, just where they are most related. So Taric is not labeled as a Demacian champion, he is labeled as a Targonian. I find it hard to believe two Aspects would be closer related to Demacia, then to Targon. > wielding a darkin weapon? Darkin by association? OK this doesn't seem like a stretch for you? Seriously? Not really, Kayn is a Darkin by associations. He is the second in command of the shadow assassins, and his lore mostly involves him being a child soldier of Noxus who was sent into Ionia to die, but killed everyone he came across, until he ran into Zed. Now Kayn wants to take over Ionia, burn Noxus to the ground, and eventually usurp Zed as the master of shadows. He just so happens to be wielding the Darkin that was sealed beneath Noxus after he heard from one of Zed's spies that the Noxians finally unearthed it. At this point, you could make just about any champion wield the Darkin Scales and come up with more reason for them to be wielding it than why Kayn wields Rhaast. > In the case of Aatrox , who is thought to be the head of the darkin. He was only able to corrupt a single host and that was when he was being wielded by someone. Actually Aatrox has been wielded by hundreds of people. He has just been able to break them down into a single body. > Early next year still feels too soon for more Darkin lore, maybe that's just me though. Well, Zoe, Kayn, and Aatrox's rework all took place over a single year. Riot seems to be dead set on wrapping up this major lore event asap. Probably by season 10, so Riot can add more character to the map, once the Darkin are done destroying it. Like when Wow updated their map after Deathwing destroyed it. Most likely because Riot doesn't know why the two factions, that aren't really relevant to the lore, built this battlefield. > If they went through the ascension ritual shouldn't they be less human looking, unless something happened during it I mean. In the case of Azir his ascension was interrupted and he was blasted out of a protective circle and DIED. The city was then destroyed because Xerath took his place and it wasn't ment for him. Azir was then resurrected later by Sivir. Interrupting the ritual is hazardous, and seems ment to be done under certain specifications or else it will have catastrophic consequences. Yeah, which is why I say their wings are from the corruption of a Darkin, like how half of Kayn is all demon looking, but Kayle and Morgana's Darkin have wings. Although Kayle's corruption is the Ascended power from the Darkin, and Morgana's corruption is the blood magic, or void, part of the Darkin. We still don't quite know why the Darkin look the way they do.
> You must not be religious or else you wouldn't say that...... > > Mythology and Religion are two different things...… One came from the other, yes, but it is no longer considered a true belief. > > > Mythology is a collection of myths, especially the ones that belong to a particular sacred, religious, or cultural tradition of a group of people. Myths are a collection of stories told to explain nature, history, and customs–or the study of such myths. > > Myth: > > 1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events > > 2. a widely held but false belief or idea > > > So myths are false stories that explain the history of a culture. > > > Never said they wouldn't use myths but sources from current religion was something Riot wanted to avoid. Religion: 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Ra is part of a religion, just as much as he is a myth. Just as Jesus is part of a religion, just as much as he is a myth. The Kitsune is a spirit people, of the Shinto religion, still believe exists. By your logic Shintoism is a religion, not a myth, therefore, Riot should remove Ahri from the game, in order to avoid offending people of the Shinto religion, or dose practicing Shinto not qualify as a religion? People still practice Paganism, should Riot remove the animal gods, and Lulu from the game, because they draw inspiration from Paganism? Or what about witchcraft? People still practice witchcraft. Who's to say what is and isn't a religion? > Well I think you made a good point about the Ta'anari, however if he has become a Darkin weapon that leaves us with 7 Darkin like you said before and not the 5 living ones. So, we got Ta'anari in the crossblade{{champion:15}} We got Varus{{champion:110}} We got Aatrox{{champion:266}} We got Rhaast{{champion:141}} We got, possibly 2 in a single weapon, which is divided between Kayle and Morgana. {{champion:10}} {{champion:25}} Then one could be zombified in the Shadow Isles. That is all of the Darkin accounted for, and that is 5 living Darkin weapons, and a dead one. > Two darkin can not be in a single weapon seperated , we have already discussed this. I can't see why not. Have you ever seen Devilman? Cause in one scene one of the devils is dying, and another devil offers her his body, so she eats him, and they fuse into a single devil. That is what I am saying is going to happen. What with Devilman being the direct reference to the Darkin and all. Oddly enough, the Devil in that very scene is a harpy, which could be the inspiration behind Kayle and Morgana's Darkin, and the lore behind the Darkin sharing a weapon, but instead of the harpy fusing with a bull demon, she fuses with a snake. https://vampireseal.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/demon-love.jpg It would also make thematic sense with the weapon. With the harpy wings acting as the blade, and the chains coiled around it, as the snake.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MrNhbdy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T01:38:09.358+0000) > > Thanks for the lore update a bit. > > Where does it say that Kayle and Morgana ARE native Demacians? I mean yes the Universe shows them being connected to demacia but till the lore update for them there is nothing saying they were BORN in Demacia. So ruling out Targon is like saying Taric has nothing to do with Targon because his location is Demacia. The map doesn't show where they are born, just where they are most related. So Taric is not labeled as a Demacian champion, he is labeled as a Targonian. I find it hard to believe two Aspects would be closer related to Demacia, then to Targon. > wielding a darkin weapon? Darkin by association? OK this doesn't seem like a stretch for you? Seriously? Not really, Kayn is a Darkin by associations. He is the second in command of the shadow assassins, and his lore mostly involves him being a child soldier of Noxus who was sent into Ionia to die, but killed everyone he came across, until he ran into Zed. Now Kayn wants to take over Ionia, burn Noxus to the ground, and eventually usurp Zed as the master of shadows. He just so happens to be wielding the Darkin that was sealed beneath Noxus after he heard from one of Zed's spies that the Noxians finally unearthed it. At this point, you could make just about any champion wield the Darkin Scales and come up with more reason for them to be wielding it than why Kayn wields Rhaast. > In the case of Aatrox , who is thought to be the head of the darkin. He was only able to corrupt a single host and that was when he was being wielded by someone. Actually Aatrox has been wielded by hundreds of people. He has just been able to break them down into a single body. > Early next year still feels too soon for more Darkin lore, maybe that's just me though. Well, Zoe, Kayn, and Aatrox's rework all took place over a single year. Riot seems to be dead set on wrapping up this major lore event asap. Probably by season 10, so Riot can add more character to the map, once the Darkin are done destroying it. Like when Wow updated their map after Deathwing destroyed it. Most likely because Riot doesn't know why the two factions, that aren't really relevant to the lore, built this battlefield. > If they went through the ascension ritual shouldn't they be less human looking, unless something happened during it I mean. In the case of Azir his ascension was interrupted and he was blasted out of a protective circle and DIED. The city was then destroyed because Xerath took his place and it wasn't ment for him. Azir was then resurrected later by Sivir. Interrupting the ritual is hazardous, and seems ment to be done under certain specifications or else it will have catastrophic consequences. Yeah, which is why I say their wings are from the corruption of a Darkin, like how half of Kayn is all demon looking, but Kayle and Morgana's Darkin have wings. Although Kayle's corruption is the Ascended power from the Darkin, and Morgana's corruption is the blood magic, or void, part of the Darkin. We still don't quite know why the Darkin look the way they do.
> Aurelion Sol was going to be originally Ao shin, this got changed though. Nothing there to say its based off Christianity. Except that Aurelion Sol and Christian dragons can both pull the stars from the sky. > Azir is a reference to Ra... but AGAIN its mythology All religion is mythology. > Shall we continue then? There is nothing wrong with Riot referencing modern mythology. They never said that they wouldn't. If you find the quote, they say they will never directly take characters from mythology, like Smite does. So Wukong is not the mythological Wukong, he is just based on Wukong. They are free to make an allegory to the horsemen of the apocalypse, and even Jesus. > Are you forgetting that Ta'anari turned mortal again? > > “Sulpae?” he croaked. “Is that you? Teushpa? Idri-Mi? Please, help me. I think... I think I am mortal once more, I... I think I am human again...” > > “You are,” said a voice that seemed on the verge of laughter. Well yeah, if Aatrox's body wasn't turned mortal, they couldn't exactly pull the immortal essence from his body, now could they? For Ta'anari's body to be killed, it had to first become mortal. So they could take out his immortal essence, and put it in the crossblade. Like, in order to make sure an Ascended isn't resurrected, they either need to be turned into dust, by moon magic, which is a waste of Ascended power, or, their soul needs to be put in something to prevent their body from resurrecting, like Azir's did, from absolutely nothing.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MrNhbdy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T01:38:09.358+0000) > > Thanks for the lore update a bit. > > Where does it say that Kayle and Morgana ARE native Demacians? I mean yes the Universe shows them being connected to demacia but till the lore update for them there is nothing saying they were BORN in Demacia. So ruling out Targon is like saying Taric has nothing to do with Targon because his location is Demacia. The map doesn't show where they are born, just where they are most related. So Taric is not labeled as a Demacian champion, he is labeled as a Targonian. I find it hard to believe two Aspects would be closer related to Demacia, then to Targon. > wielding a darkin weapon? Darkin by association? OK this doesn't seem like a stretch for you? Seriously? Not really, Kayn is a Darkin by associations. He is the second in command of the shadow assassins, and his lore mostly involves him being a child soldier of Noxus who was sent into Ionia to die, but killed everyone he came across, until he ran into Zed. Now Kayn wants to take over Ionia, burn Noxus to the ground, and eventually usurp Zed as the master of shadows. He just so happens to be wielding the Darkin that was sealed beneath Noxus after he heard from one of Zed's spies that the Noxians finally unearthed it. At this point, you could make just about any champion wield the Darkin Scales and come up with more reason for them to be wielding it than why Kayn wields Rhaast. > In the case of Aatrox , who is thought to be the head of the darkin. He was only able to corrupt a single host and that was when he was being wielded by someone. Actually Aatrox has been wielded by hundreds of people. He has just been able to break them down into a single body. > Early next year still feels too soon for more Darkin lore, maybe that's just me though. Well, Zoe, Kayn, and Aatrox's rework all took place over a single year. Riot seems to be dead set on wrapping up this major lore event asap. Probably by season 10, so Riot can add more character to the map, once the Darkin are done destroying it. Like when Wow updated their map after Deathwing destroyed it. Most likely because Riot doesn't know why the two factions, that aren't really relevant to the lore, built this battlefield. > If they went through the ascension ritual shouldn't they be less human looking, unless something happened during it I mean. In the case of Azir his ascension was interrupted and he was blasted out of a protective circle and DIED. The city was then destroyed because Xerath took his place and it wasn't ment for him. Azir was then resurrected later by Sivir. Interrupting the ritual is hazardous, and seems ment to be done under certain specifications or else it will have catastrophic consequences. Yeah, which is why I say their wings are from the corruption of a Darkin, like how half of Kayn is all demon looking, but Kayle and Morgana's Darkin have wings. Although Kayle's corruption is the Ascended power from the Darkin, and Morgana's corruption is the blood magic, or void, part of the Darkin. We still don't quite know why the Darkin look the way they do.
> Such as? Proof or it didn't happen, man this the internet. We need those facts, my good man! Well, we got Ahri, a 1 to 1 reference to the Shinto spirit, the Kitsune, a 9 tailed fox spirit that takes the form of a woman to seduce and drain the life of men. Alistar, the Minotaur, has some similarities to the Minotaur, a half man half bull creature that was strong enough to break any chain and escape any dungeon, and then was thrown into an ever changing labyrinth to keep it from escaping. Annie is a reference to Carrie, in both name and ability, as both are weird girls who can summon fire and burned to death everyone close to them. Aurelion Sol takes inspiration from the Christian dragons from the Bibble, who have the ability to literally pull the stars from the sky. Azir is a pretty close direct reference to Ra, the sun god. Ashe's name is reference to the god Ashur, who famously hung his Rain Bow in the sky and used it as a promise to man that he shall never flood the Earth again. This god's story later went on to inspire the story of Moses from the Broble, but I am getting off track. Amumu, the sad mummy, is an obvious reference to a mummy, and how anything the mummy touches is cursed. You want I should start on the Bs? > Ok, ill give you the weaponsmith part about forging it into the chalicar, it makes sense but Aatrox was alive when he was imprisoned. Also you skipped over why they would make him into a darkin weapon after he was dieing, the Aspect of twilight even seemed keen on not helping Ta'anari, she said > > “I am saying that your death has been a long time coming, Ta’anari,” said Myisha. “Some of you turned out not so bad, I suppose, but most of you were so damaged in the war with the Void, it’s a wonder you survived this long. Perhaps you and your kind were a mistake to begin with, but a mistake I can help correct.” > > Imprisonment is not death. However I would like to help you out though, with your theory. I don't believe he became a Darkin, I believe that his heart was used as a power source or as like a conduit to connect the remaining ascended who had become corrupt to their weapons. > > "Ascended could be merged with the celestial power in their hearts" this quote comes from the universe. > > > SO if the celestial power is within their hearts, this power could have a connection with all others who have been ascended. This would give us our process of binding, a powerful artifact along with a way to connect the ascended (the combination of Ta'anari's heart and Setaka's chalicar). Except for the imprisonment to work, the Darkin's bodies have to be killed. The only thing that can truly kill an Ascended is the moon. Anything else and they are still alive. Every atom of Azir's body was utterly disintegrated, but he was still alive. When Sivir's blood touched Azir's temple, Azir's immortal essence crawled out of her blood. So, it's not that Ta'anari died, it's that his immortal essence was taken out of his body, and put within the crossblade, to prevent him from coming back. Ascended are stupid immortal, and can come back from just about anything, despite their body being "killed." Them saying they are going to "kill" the Darkin, just means their current body, so they can trap the souls in weapons.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MrNhbdy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T01:38:09.358+0000) > > Thanks for the lore update a bit. > > Where does it say that Kayle and Morgana ARE native Demacians? I mean yes the Universe shows them being connected to demacia but till the lore update for them there is nothing saying they were BORN in Demacia. So ruling out Targon is like saying Taric has nothing to do with Targon because his location is Demacia. The map doesn't show where they are born, just where they are most related. So Taric is not labeled as a Demacian champion, he is labeled as a Targonian. I find it hard to believe two Aspects would be closer related to Demacia, then to Targon. > wielding a darkin weapon? Darkin by association? OK this doesn't seem like a stretch for you? Seriously? Not really, Kayn is a Darkin by associations. He is the second in command of the shadow assassins, and his lore mostly involves him being a child soldier of Noxus who was sent into Ionia to die, but killed everyone he came across, until he ran into Zed. Now Kayn wants to take over Ionia, burn Noxus to the ground, and eventually usurp Zed as the master of shadows. He just so happens to be wielding the Darkin that was sealed beneath Noxus after he heard from one of Zed's spies that the Noxians finally unearthed it. At this point, you could make just about any champion wield the Darkin Scales and come up with more reason for them to be wielding it than why Kayn wields Rhaast. > In the case of Aatrox , who is thought to be the head of the darkin. He was only able to corrupt a single host and that was when he was being wielded by someone. Actually Aatrox has been wielded by hundreds of people. He has just been able to break them down into a single body. > Early next year still feels too soon for more Darkin lore, maybe that's just me though. Well, Zoe, Kayn, and Aatrox's rework all took place over a single year. Riot seems to be dead set on wrapping up this major lore event asap. Probably by season 10, so Riot can add more character to the map, once the Darkin are done destroying it. Like when Wow updated their map after Deathwing destroyed it. Most likely because Riot doesn't know why the two factions, that aren't really relevant to the lore, built this battlefield. > If they went through the ascension ritual shouldn't they be less human looking, unless something happened during it I mean. In the case of Azir his ascension was interrupted and he was blasted out of a protective circle and DIED. The city was then destroyed because Xerath took his place and it wasn't ment for him. Azir was then resurrected later by Sivir. Interrupting the ritual is hazardous, and seems ment to be done under certain specifications or else it will have catastrophic consequences. Yeah, which is why I say their wings are from the corruption of a Darkin, like how half of Kayn is all demon looking, but Kayle and Morgana's Darkin have wings. Although Kayle's corruption is the Ascended power from the Darkin, and Morgana's corruption is the blood magic, or void, part of the Darkin. We still don't quite know why the Darkin look the way they do.
> _Yes, this is true but that was super blatant where it came from and my point is Riot wouldn't want to do that._ Why not? They have before. Plenty of champions are blatant references to pop culture or religious/spiritual symbology. > _Ok, but Ta'anari died after his heart was ripped out, he only loved for a few momments after it. The other Darkin were sealed ALIVE, so this isn't completely supported, we don't know if his soul was ever actually captured. Also why capture his soul and give him another life if the aspect already killed him? HIs heart and chalicar were obviously instruments in the sealing process of the Darkin, but we don't know the process. We don't know how the other Darkin were sealed within their weapons. The only Darkin we have seen being "sealed" in a weapon is Ta'anari's heart being forged into the crossblade. She didn't say use the heart to find the Darkin. She said take this heart and the crossblade to the nearest weaponsmith. I don't know what a smith would do with a heart besides forge it into the crossblade. > The prophecy has yet to be unraveled on how sivir would bring about either one. Like I said though she is currently with Azir, so until she meets a cross roads or some sort of turmoil where she needs to make a choice we won't have a clue. Also she would need to realize her full potential. We got some waiting to do._ Sivir is actually leaving Shuima at the moment. She left the country after Xerath attacked Shurima to kill Azir, again, and find his heir, which is Sivir. Besides, the lore behind the crossblade is directly linked to the Darkin, saying her prophecy would have nothing to do with the Darkin doesn't really add up. When Sivir unlocks whatever the crossblade is destined to do, it will probably be a turning point for LoL as a whole. Like WoW's Cataclysm event. My guess is it will be a season 10 thing, which is why Riot is in such a hurry to fix all of the old champions, and get all the lore in order.
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-10T18:39:43.862+0000) > > ...Except for the fact that when the Darkin were being contained, there was no Demacia. The Darkin predate the Runewar and Demacia was founded as a haven from the Runewar, as they outlawed all magic from within the city. Also, we clearly see a person in chains... not a tool. Since you know, all of the Darkin are tools, which are allegorical to the four horsemen of the apocalypse; sword, scythe, bow, scale. > And look, Kayle's new sword happens to unfold into a scale. How 'bout that. > https://image.ibb.co/kKvnGK/Kayle_Sword_Open.png what if..........the woman being chained serves as a vessel to trap the darkin and the chains serve as the 4th darkin itself?
> [{quoted}](name=Edgenheim,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-13T15:35:16.791+0000) > > what if..........the woman being chained serves as a vessel to trap the darkin and the chains serve as the 4th darkin itself? Wait... so Demacians trapped a person holding a Darkin, and chained them up with the Darkin?
: 1.- the map is "painted" into the screen, you can't change it significantly without significantly redoing it. That is simply not a priority right now. Not saying in the future it couldn't happen but it is a long way off 2.- Regardless of your opinion, Riot has stated that is their plan to bring more casuals back 3.- What she talks about is void rifts and such. Riot has stated numerous times what happen in Lol's gameplay and the lore is detached from one another so as to not constrain world building/champion mechanics. That is why you have Tahm Kench regurgitating his prey and Evelyn killing people instantly instead of torturing them. As for a lore tied gameplay experience, GhostCrawler has already stated on the devs corner that he will be working on separate gameplay experiences aka other games that take ll's lore into account. It just doesn't make sense for league tho, the cost doesn't outweight the benefits
> 1.- the map is "painted" into the screen, you can't change it significantly without significantly redoing it. That is simply not a priority right now. Not saying in the future it couldn't happen but it is a long way off How is it a long way off? Riot's World Rune event they just had literally showed a vision of Runeterra on fire. Ryze knows he can't stop the apocalypse, but is trying anyway, the Darkin, along with Sivir, are destined to bring about great destruction, Zoe is a literal doomsayer from Targon, saying that the gods are going to die and everything is going to change, Sol won't rest until Targon has crumbled. Then the Void and the Shadow Isles are each preparing to do something big, not to mention Lissandra is still on the verge of freezing the world in ice. Literally every force that wants to destroy the world is primed to do so. > 3.- What she talks about is void rifts and such. Riot has stated numerous times what happen in Lol's gameplay and the lore is detached from one another so as to not constrain world building/champion mechanics. That is why you have Tahm Kench regurgitating his prey and Evelyn killing people instantly instead of torturing them. She literally calls it the Twilight of the Gods, which is a story relating to the Darkin. They mean from match to match. Like there is no crowned queen of the Freljord yet, despite being able to do so in any match between any of the potential queens. But an even like the Ascended game mode is lore. If Riot did a major lore event, where it actually decides the fate of the Freljord, between Ashe, Lissandra, and Sejuanni, then that would be canon. If there was a game mode where the teams fought over the remaining world rune, and destroyed Summoner's Rift in doing so, that would be a canon event.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T23:11:49.690+0000) > > i’m literally talking about the rework of kayle and morgana. i still think they’re going to be related to targon because of their teaser. So am I. Their old lore made them servants of Targon and angel looking aliens. Now, they are Demacians.
> [{quoted}](name=Chrysi7,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000008,timestamp=2018-08-13T15:25:06.559+0000) > > ..no. Riot has literally said they aren't. And Varus would be a stretch for whoever. Riot never said that, Varus is allegorical to the horsemen of Pestilence, the Conquer. Varus's passive is called Blight, which means disease. Plus his horsemen wears a crown, and Varus is also wearing a crown.
: No it won't, not in the short term at least. You don't know how much work that would be. Summoner's Rift is basically a painting. Every asset in the map is crafted specifically for the viewpoint that you play in and is super optimized so that basically a toaster plugged to a black and white tv running windows 95 can run it. Riot's answer to the delcining player base is going to be the new Blitz mode they are working on, but they are not gonna risk losing their most loyal players by changing summoners rift. A new core map would completely change the meta, from what champs are strong to what roles each player takes. I don't even know where you got that idea from
> No it won't, not in the short term at least. You don't know how much work that would be. Summoner's Rift is basically a painting. Every asset in the map is crafted specifically for the viewpoint that you play in and is super optimized so that basically a toaster plugged to a black and white tv running windows 95 can run it. It would still be the same map, just look different, and it would be an actual place in the world. > Riot's answer to the delcining player base is going to be the new Blitz mode they are working on, but they are not gonna risk losing their most loyal players by changing summoners rift. A new core map would completely change the meta, from what champs are strong to what roles each player takes. That doesn't seem like it would solve anything, besides be a fun distraction. > I don't even know where you got that idea from From Zoe mostly. She is a doomsayer, sent by Targon, to say that the gods are going to die, and everything is about the change.
: 1) because thematic coherence is really important to riot's champions. kayle's theme basically boils down to angelic warrior, where as the darkin are basically close to western demons or fallen angels. riot wants you to quickly understand a champion's theme and story so they're not going to do some super complex actuallykayleisadarkin thing. 2) it's anyones guess how it happens but aatrox's voice lines clearly imply kayle is looking to 'ascend' with the sun disk. Kayle's theme in the rework is also stated to be someone who starts off as overall a more melee focused champion, who's whole kit changes in game to turn her into a ranged and powerful carry later in the game. Sounds a lot like ascension to me. Aatrox also shows a lot of disgust towards Morgana's form. Maybe she is a darkin, but if kayle and morgana are modern day people I think baccai is more likely, as the ascended probably looked down heavily on baccai. 3) Taliyah Azir Sivir etc were embroiled in a story that ended on a cliffhanger for a big showdown years ago and nothing has happened with it. Don't expect Zoe's prophecies to come to pass anytime soon.
> 1) because thematic coherence is really important to riot's champions. kayle's theme basically boils down to angelic warrior, where as the darkin are basically close to western demons or fallen angels. riot wants you to quickly understand a champion's theme and story so they're not going to do some super complex actuallykayleisadarkin thing. But you said that Kayle is an angel.. .and that the Darkin are fallen angels.... Doesn't that make them thematically related? Darkin are fallen angels... Kayle is wielding one and purified it, becoming an angel. Seems pretty simple to me. > 2) it's anyones guess how it happens but aatrox's voice lines clearly imply kayle is looking to 'ascend' with the sun disk. Kayle's theme in the rework is also stated to be someone who starts off as overall a more melee focused champion, who's whole kit changes in game to turn her into a ranged and powerful carry later in the game. Sounds a lot like ascension to me. Aatrox also shows a lot of disgust towards Morgana's form. Maybe she is a darkin, but if kayle and morgana are modern day people I think baccai is more likely, as the ascended probably looked down heavily on baccai. Which would either make Kayle and Morgana as old as Nasus and the Darkin, which seems odd to me that Demacia would allow such magical creatures in their city, or Azir tried to ascend a couple of girls, but it didn't work, so they went to Demacia... who again, would not welcome their magic. It seems far more likely that Kayle and Morgana are wielding the Darkin sealed beneath Demacia, but they Broke it. Which is why Kayle can't reach her full potential, and why Morgana's flesh is bound and corrupted, because the Darkin isn't in the weapon anymore, it's in Morgana. > 3) Taliyah Azir Sivir etc were embroiled in a story that ended on a cliffhanger for a big showdown years ago and nothing has happened with it. Don't expect Zoe's prophecies to come to pass anytime soon. But the whole World Rune thing Riot made the map for, also shows that the world is about to end. Which story was that in? The last thing in the lore we see from Taliyah and Sivir is that they were running from Shurima, as it was being attacked by Xerath, who was looking for Sivir. Then the showdown between Xerath, Azir, and Nasus was the in game Ascension event, where everyone fought Xerath.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MrNhbdy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T01:38:09.358+0000) > > Thanks for the lore update a bit. > > Where does it say that Kayle and Morgana ARE native Demacians? I mean yes the Universe shows them being connected to demacia but till the lore update for them there is nothing saying they were BORN in Demacia. So ruling out Targon is like saying Taric has nothing to do with Targon because his location is Demacia. The map doesn't show where they are born, just where they are most related. So Taric is not labeled as a Demacian champion, he is labeled as a Targonian. I find it hard to believe two Aspects would be closer related to Demacia, then to Targon. > wielding a darkin weapon? Darkin by association? OK this doesn't seem like a stretch for you? Seriously? Not really, Kayn is a Darkin by associations. He is the second in command of the shadow assassins, and his lore mostly involves him being a child soldier of Noxus who was sent into Ionia to die, but killed everyone he came across, until he ran into Zed. Now Kayn wants to take over Ionia, burn Noxus to the ground, and eventually usurp Zed as the master of shadows. He just so happens to be wielding the Darkin that was sealed beneath Noxus after he heard from one of Zed's spies that the Noxians finally unearthed it. At this point, you could make just about any champion wield the Darkin Scales and come up with more reason for them to be wielding it than why Kayn wields Rhaast. > In the case of Aatrox , who is thought to be the head of the darkin. He was only able to corrupt a single host and that was when he was being wielded by someone. Actually Aatrox has been wielded by hundreds of people. He has just been able to break them down into a single body. > Early next year still feels too soon for more Darkin lore, maybe that's just me though. Well, Zoe, Kayn, and Aatrox's rework all took place over a single year. Riot seems to be dead set on wrapping up this major lore event asap. Probably by season 10, so Riot can add more character to the map, once the Darkin are done destroying it. Like when Wow updated their map after Deathwing destroyed it. Most likely because Riot doesn't know why the two factions, that aren't really relevant to the lore, built this battlefield. > If they went through the ascension ritual shouldn't they be less human looking, unless something happened during it I mean. In the case of Azir his ascension was interrupted and he was blasted out of a protective circle and DIED. The city was then destroyed because Xerath took his place and it wasn't ment for him. Azir was then resurrected later by Sivir. Interrupting the ritual is hazardous, and seems ment to be done under certain specifications or else it will have catastrophic consequences. Yeah, which is why I say their wings are from the corruption of a Darkin, like how half of Kayn is all demon looking, but Kayle and Morgana's Darkin have wings. Although Kayle's corruption is the Ascended power from the Darkin, and Morgana's corruption is the blood magic, or void, part of the Darkin. We still don't quite know why the Darkin look the way they do.
> Point was that the retcon took champs away from being from other dimensions, Space is still a strong factor in league's lore. Yeah, but the champions from space don't look human. Soraka has hooves, and a horn, and it purple, Bard is a living horn is a sack, and Sol is a dragon. Kayle and Morgana would need one heck of a make over for them to look like they were from space. >This part from me you took too seriously, I just don't want Morg and Kayle to be a part of the latest trend in league. Well, they are. > Lucian purging undead , doesn't have to be catholic exorcist reference. Your imprinting that idea onto the situation. Its a good vs. evil troupe at the heart of it. Pretty common across the world if you ask me. Well, Lucian is part of the Demacian religious organization, the Lightbringers. He was called the Gun Templar in development. > The Four Horseman is purely related to religion. Not really. The four horsemen are more of a pop culture thing now. We have comic books based on the horsemen. The X-Men villain Apocalypse chooses four horsemen to herald his return, which him acting as the Jesus figure. > Didn't you say that Jesus was suppose to lead the Four Horseman though? Sivir is with Azir, he is ascended not Darkin. There is nothing saying that Setka's weapon is a darkin weapon either. Ta'anari, the Darkin who wielded the crossblade, used it to kill some of the Darkin, before turning it on himself, and then the Aspect of Twilight, ripped out his heart and forged it into the crossblade. Sivir is also destined to bring about great destruction, or use the crossblade as a symbol of great unity.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T17:14:07.026+0000) > > Yes, you've posted that before. Like I said, spheres or no (but actually especially if they're spheres), they'd be too big to make a scale with using the sword. And it will unfold... into what exactly, and why? I thought you said Morgana was the one using the chains and shields now, and those aspects were separated from Kayle's weapon. Kayle and Morgana would both wielding parts of the Darkin Scale. That is why Aatrox says Kayle will never reach her full potential, because Morgana has parts of the weapon. They are magic spheres, they can be as big or as little as they need them to be. > Ta'anari is no longer a Darkin. There was sort of a big deal about how he was reduced to becoming a mortal. Plus, due to his betrayal of the other Darkin, I doubt the others would want to seek him out even if he was alive, so he wouldn't be amongst the five that Varus wishes to reunite. ...Then why was a human heart forged into the crossblade? No one who says Ta'anari was human has answered that. Also, why does Sivir go on a murderous rampage when she first picks up the crossblade? Killing people who were offering her her weight in gold seems really out of her character for Sivir. Also, you can't exactly perform the ritual on a Darkin, if their body just gets back up. Like, if you ripped out Aatrox's heart, without turning him human again, he would just get pissed off, and take his heart back, or just grow a new one. Like, ripping out Deadpool's heart won't do anything, unless you take away his regeneration. Well, Sivir is prophesied to bring out great destruction with the crossblade, and since the Darkin literally want to destroy the world and kill the gods, that sounds pretty "great" to me.
> a human heart was forged into the crossblade because the aspect of twilight before zoe killed him and ripped his heart out of his body. sivir is using the crossblade that has killed all the old ascended that were called darkin. myisha wanted to kill all of the darkin but some of them were hidden away and weren’t found. there’s a short story talking all about the fall of the darkin. But she called him a Darkin. > varus’ sister? where is she in this? isn’t everyone wondering where she is? She is Valeeva. Her and her brother are seeking justice against those who wronged them. Which is why he is called the Arrow of Retribution, and why she is going to be the Scale of Justice.
: You got it twisted, kayle certainly won't be a darkin. Aatrox's voice lines give the best hints towards their upcoming reworks. Kayle will probably experience ascension in game, while Morgana... she might have tried to ascend first and became a baccai (a failed ascension) I don't think there's any reason to believe riots in a rush to 'finish' the darkin story
> You got it twisted, kayle certainly won't be a darkin. Why not? Shadow Assassin Kayn is wielding a Darkin, and his scythe is freakin' beautiful. Kayle has just dominated her Darkin by default. > Aatrox's voice lines give the best hints towards their upcoming reworks. Kayle will probably experience ascension in game, while Morgana... she might have tried to ascend first and became a baccai (a failed ascension) And Azir is just going to... let some Demacian girls walk into his palace and make him Ascend them? Shadow Assassin Kayn is Ascended. Nothing stopping Kayle from doing just that. > I don't think there's any reason to believe riots in a rush to 'finish' the darkin story Really? Have you never played Zoe? She goes on and on about how the world is about to change, and the gods are about to die, and the end is neigh. She is a literal doomsayer, sent by god, to warn the mortals about the apocalypse.
: I really, REALLY doubt Riot wants to pull off a cataclysm any time soon. They just spent a lot of time creating the current map, and they were careful enough to leave tons of space for expansion (new factions and such). It would be an incredible waste of everyone's time to rewrite the map just a couple of years later. Ten years from now? sure, might be a feasible option, but with Ghostcrawler focusing on a story-driven Lol experience as his pet project, I really doubt Riot will change the world significantly. If anything Scathlocke's job the past year or so has been to unify the world and make it make sense
> [{quoted}](name=DeadUnborn,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=0003000000000002,timestamp=2018-08-13T03:35:23.293+0000) > > I really, REALLY doubt Riot wants to pull off a cataclysm any time soon. They just spent a lot of time creating the current map, and they were careful enough to leave tons of space for expansion (new factions and such). It would be an incredible waste of everyone's time to rewrite the map just a couple of years later. > > Ten years from now? sure, might be a feasible option, but with Ghostcrawler focusing on a story-driven Lol experience as his pet project, I really doubt Riot will change the world significantly. If anything Scathlocke's job the past year or so has been to unify the world and make it make sense I wasn't mostly talking about Summoner's Rift. Like, it could use a face loft to something more... exciting. Zoe has multiple lines about how the world is all going to change, very soon. On a cosmic level. The reason why they are making all of the lore make sense is so every champion will be, in canon, affected by the "Twilight of the Gods." The Darkin and Sol are all about killing the gods, and we got most of that lore in the past year. The map is the perfect way to show exactly what is going on with every champion, during the apocalypse. Riot's player base is declining, and this is probably Riot's way of giving LoL a shot in the arm. Darkin kick off their plan, Sivir comes in and we have an event where she stops the Darkin or helps them, probably along with her relaunch. Either way, Summoner's Rift will be replaced by something more lore friendly.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MrNhbdy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T01:38:09.358+0000) > > Thanks for the lore update a bit. > > Where does it say that Kayle and Morgana ARE native Demacians? I mean yes the Universe shows them being connected to demacia but till the lore update for them there is nothing saying they were BORN in Demacia. So ruling out Targon is like saying Taric has nothing to do with Targon because his location is Demacia. The map doesn't show where they are born, just where they are most related. So Taric is not labeled as a Demacian champion, he is labeled as a Targonian. I find it hard to believe two Aspects would be closer related to Demacia, then to Targon. > wielding a darkin weapon? Darkin by association? OK this doesn't seem like a stretch for you? Seriously? Not really, Kayn is a Darkin by associations. He is the second in command of the shadow assassins, and his lore mostly involves him being a child soldier of Noxus who was sent into Ionia to die, but killed everyone he came across, until he ran into Zed. Now Kayn wants to take over Ionia, burn Noxus to the ground, and eventually usurp Zed as the master of shadows. He just so happens to be wielding the Darkin that was sealed beneath Noxus after he heard from one of Zed's spies that the Noxians finally unearthed it. At this point, you could make just about any champion wield the Darkin Scales and come up with more reason for them to be wielding it than why Kayn wields Rhaast. > In the case of Aatrox , who is thought to be the head of the darkin. He was only able to corrupt a single host and that was when he was being wielded by someone. Actually Aatrox has been wielded by hundreds of people. He has just been able to break them down into a single body. > Early next year still feels too soon for more Darkin lore, maybe that's just me though. Well, Zoe, Kayn, and Aatrox's rework all took place over a single year. Riot seems to be dead set on wrapping up this major lore event asap. Probably by season 10, so Riot can add more character to the map, once the Darkin are done destroying it. Like when Wow updated their map after Deathwing destroyed it. Most likely because Riot doesn't know why the two factions, that aren't really relevant to the lore, built this battlefield. > If they went through the ascension ritual shouldn't they be less human looking, unless something happened during it I mean. In the case of Azir his ascension was interrupted and he was blasted out of a protective circle and DIED. The city was then destroyed because Xerath took his place and it wasn't ment for him. Azir was then resurrected later by Sivir. Interrupting the ritual is hazardous, and seems ment to be done under certain specifications or else it will have catastrophic consequences. Yeah, which is why I say their wings are from the corruption of a Darkin, like how half of Kayn is all demon looking, but Kayle and Morgana's Darkin have wings. Although Kayle's corruption is the Ascended power from the Darkin, and Morgana's corruption is the blood magic, or void, part of the Darkin. We still don't quite know why the Darkin look the way they do.
> What gives you this idea? Was it possibly the 500yr old trickster ezreal fan girl who shoots stars and warps through cosmic portals? The only champ "that looks" truly space related is Sol, but Pantheon, Zoe, Taric, Soraka, Bard, Leona, Diana......all are related to being celestial to some degree. Even if you take out the humans, that still leaves soraka and bard. Bard was released after Nasus and was still set as a celestial. Since the retcon to the lore Riot has actually pushed further into space, we have a space empire that has a presence on Runeterra dispite us never seeing the actual race. Except the Aspects are all human. Since the lore revamp, the only champions that are canonically from space are Soraka, Bard, and Sol. > Lets just say that this is true for a moment, Kayle and Morg both have a piece of a shattered Darkin weapon. These fragments or parts to the when have given them wings. If they were corrupted by the same Darkin wouldn't they have the same kind of wings? That seems lame. They do have the same kind of wings currently. However, Ascended are organic, in nature, so Kayle can still keep her feathery angel wings, and Morgana could have anything from feathers, to the weird armor of the other Darkin, or just go with black feathers. 1 > WAIT, but what if kayle over came her piece of the darkin and conquered it. This could change her wings right? Nope, she wouldn't have them then, if the Darkin caused the wings and she defeated its will she would be wingless. Look at Kayn, his alternate form no longer has the corruption his base form has. This is also evident in his soul hunter skin too, Yeah, but Shadow Assassin Kayn's hair literally turns into his shadow. Since Ascended assume a symbol to base their form around, Kayn obviously chose a shadow. The reason why all of the Ascended we see are giant animals, is because Shurima is based on ancient Egypt, and they were big on the animal symbology. > A Darkin weapon also seems to be unbreakable or indestructible. Again in the case of Aatrox single weapon to house a single soul. If you were somehow able to break it Aatrox would have already figured this out over the vast amount of time he has been imprisoned. Also breaking a Darkin weapon(artifact, in your case?) would probably not split the ability to corrupt and host others. More likely a broken Darkin weapon would do one of the following: a) release said Darkin OR b) destroy the soul in the weapon Which is why I think that the Scale is actually made up of the 2 female Darkin; Valeeva, Varus's sister, who makes up the wings, and Naganeka, the serpent Darkin who's venom corrupted Cassiopia, making up the chains. Ether they were both sealed within one weapon, or Valeeva absorbed Naganeka, and became a single Darkin. The reason I think this is because if they each were their own weapon, there would be like 7 Darkin out there, and Riot said there were only 5.... living Darkin... which does leave room for a 6th zombie Darkin. > Kayle does have to do with some sort of ascension so I'm just gonna wait to see. Also making them darkin seems like a cheap way out of a problem. Our winged ladies deserve more than to be bunched in with the problem children in class, lol. Yeah, but Kayle has always been kind of a problem child, what with her unrelenting indiscriminate justice and all. Morgana deserves better though. damning herself just to protect the world from her sister, and if she is keeping a Darkin at bay, she is also sacrificing herself to prevent the end of the world. Much like the Darkin's biggest inspiration, [Devilman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww06yGPM7Kc). > Azir being a reference to Ra is different than Darkin being a reference to the four horsemen. > > Ra is apart of EGYPTIAN MYTHOLOGY! Ra was a god worshipped by Egyptians back when they believed in polytheism. This is isn't currently considered the right belief in modern culture. > > The Four Horsemen are apart of Christianity and I believe are referenced in other CURRENT RELIGIONS! > > That is what Cetri is talking about when he says Riot wants to avoid REAL-WORLD RELIGIONS! You mean like how Ahri is based on Shintoism, a CURRENT REAL-WORLD RELIGION? Or how Ionia is based on Buddhism , a CURRENT REAL-WORLD RELIGION? Or what about Lucian being based on a Catholic exorcist, you know, a CURRENT REAL-WORLD RELIGION? Riot is free to look towards any CURRENT REAL-WORLD RELIGION for inspiration on a champion. > oh and Sivir isn't Jesus, come on man! Well, she lead a band of misfits, she was betrayed like 3 times, killed, and resurrected, she has holy blood, she has weird water magic, she is the heiress to a magical, golden, eternal kingdom, her main symbol is a cross, and on top of that, she is part of an ancient prophecy that says her coming will bring about great destruction, and/or great unity. And wouldn't you know it, Jesus was also all of those things.
: Nunu's new leaked model
Well, it does look like a billion % better.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T23:11:49.690+0000) > > i’m literally talking about the rework of kayle and morgana. i still think they’re going to be related to targon because of their teaser. So am I. Their old lore made them servants of Targon and angel looking aliens. Now, they are Demacians.
> [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000005,timestamp=2018-08-13T00:20:14.389+0000) > > How do you even know what the next darkin could be? How would Morgana fit with Kayle if she’s a darkin. How would Kayle be a melee and ranged hybrid by using scales. And how can scales even be used as a weapon. Well, they are allegorical to the horsemen of the apocalypse, we got a bow, a sword, a scythe, and that leaves a scale, and then some kind of Jesus imagery, like a crown, maybe a second sword, I mean, it's not like Riot is just going to make a champion who throws crosses around, that would just be [ridiculous](https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/009/785/818/large/floriane-tiam-sivir-splash-illus-30-decor.jpg?1520892024).... https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F3X5ozYZO_0/W2iBKkU-VXI/AAAAAAABEyg/iQzxmD4WhfURB1sF3YqKvpLfXRqMhZX7ACLcBGAs/s1600/Roadmap_4-min_1u6ar6n4m193f7amowqg.jpg And Kayle's sword is a set of wings that make up the blade, and like how Varus's bow breaks open to shoot giant arrows, Kayle's sword looks like it is going to spread the wings to shoot sun beams. Then when it is spread to it's fullest, it looks like a scale. https://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.ibb.co%2FkKvnGK%2FKayle_Sword_Open.png&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=150 Well, Kayle doesn't have the entire Darkin weapon, she is missing something. This is evident hen Aatrox says _"Die, Kayle, knowing you potential will never be reached."_ So, to me, it looks like Morgana stole part of the scale, so Kayle can't reach her full power. Morgana, unfortunently, seems to have fallen victim to the Darkin's corruption.
Sukishoo (NA)
: Right in the Champion Roadmap it says they are coming in 2019. Plus, there's only one thing (URGOT) that even suggested Morg was some kind of Darkin, and it may not be what it seems as he doesn't say anything to Kayle.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-12T23:51:10.592+0000) > > Right in the Champion Roadmap it says they are coming in 2019. Plus, there's only one thing (URGOT) that even suggested Morg was some kind of Darkin, and it may not be what it seems as he doesn't say anything to Kayle. ...Darkin can look angelic, majestic, and beautiful. Just look at Shadow Assassin Kayn. He looks fantastic.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T23:11:49.690+0000) > > i’m literally talking about the rework of kayle and morgana. i still think they’re going to be related to targon because of their teaser. So am I. Their old lore made them servants of Targon and angel looking aliens. Now, they are Demacians.
> [{quoted}](name=Good Book,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-08-12T23:47:32.161+0000) > > Proof? Uh... the Bibble? Like, they are clearly allegorical to the horsemen of the apocalypse right?
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T23:11:49.690+0000) > > i’m literally talking about the rework of kayle and morgana. i still think they’re going to be related to targon because of their teaser. So am I. Their old lore made them servants of Targon and angel looking aliens. Now, they are Demacians.
> [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T23:22:26.109+0000) > > they’re probably from targon and are connected to demacia now. if you want a darkin, it could be the champion in chains. But that doesn't explain the wings. There are no angels anymore. Besides, the next Darkin is going to be the Darkin Scales of Justice, no champion is better deserving to wield the Scales of Justice, more so, than Kayle. Look, her sword even opens up into a scale. https://image.ibb.co/kKvnGK/Kayle_Sword_Open.png A little mock up I made.
imgrabe (NA)
: i’m literally talking about the rework of kayle and morgana. i still think they’re going to be related to targon because of their teaser.
> [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T23:11:49.690+0000) > > i’m literally talking about the rework of kayle and morgana. i still think they’re going to be related to targon because of their teaser. So am I. Their old lore made them servants of Targon and angel looking aliens. Now, they are Demacians.
imgrabe (NA)
: but that’s a skin. i’m talking about the brand new morgana and kayle. skins are supposed to make everything different. the teaser for the rework of the sisters looks like they will be targonian or associated with it.
> [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T22:51:03.738+0000) > > but that’s a skin. i’m talking about the brand new morgana and kayle. skins are supposed to make everything different. the teaser for the rework of the sisters looks like they will be targonian or associated with it. No, Shadow Assassin Kayn is not a skin. Kayn can either transform into Rhaast, or he can dominate Rhaast and purify the scythe into an angelic looking weapon, all in his base skin. Don't you think Kayle would be strong willed enough to dominate a Darkin? They aren't though, them being related to Demacia is their new lore, and is officially apart of the new [Map of Runeterra](https://map.leagueoflegends.com/en_US).
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MrNhbdy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T01:38:09.358+0000) > > Thanks for the lore update a bit. > > Where does it say that Kayle and Morgana ARE native Demacians? I mean yes the Universe shows them being connected to demacia but till the lore update for them there is nothing saying they were BORN in Demacia. So ruling out Targon is like saying Taric has nothing to do with Targon because his location is Demacia. The map doesn't show where they are born, just where they are most related. So Taric is not labeled as a Demacian champion, he is labeled as a Targonian. I find it hard to believe two Aspects would be closer related to Demacia, then to Targon. > wielding a darkin weapon? Darkin by association? OK this doesn't seem like a stretch for you? Seriously? Not really, Kayn is a Darkin by associations. He is the second in command of the shadow assassins, and his lore mostly involves him being a child soldier of Noxus who was sent into Ionia to die, but killed everyone he came across, until he ran into Zed. Now Kayn wants to take over Ionia, burn Noxus to the ground, and eventually usurp Zed as the master of shadows. He just so happens to be wielding the Darkin that was sealed beneath Noxus after he heard from one of Zed's spies that the Noxians finally unearthed it. At this point, you could make just about any champion wield the Darkin Scales and come up with more reason for them to be wielding it than why Kayn wields Rhaast. > In the case of Aatrox , who is thought to be the head of the darkin. He was only able to corrupt a single host and that was when he was being wielded by someone. Actually Aatrox has been wielded by hundreds of people. He has just been able to break them down into a single body. > Early next year still feels too soon for more Darkin lore, maybe that's just me though. Well, Zoe, Kayn, and Aatrox's rework all took place over a single year. Riot seems to be dead set on wrapping up this major lore event asap. Probably by season 10, so Riot can add more character to the map, once the Darkin are done destroying it. Like when Wow updated their map after Deathwing destroyed it. Most likely because Riot doesn't know why the two factions, that aren't really relevant to the lore, built this battlefield. > If they went through the ascension ritual shouldn't they be less human looking, unless something happened during it I mean. In the case of Azir his ascension was interrupted and he was blasted out of a protective circle and DIED. The city was then destroyed because Xerath took his place and it wasn't ment for him. Azir was then resurrected later by Sivir. Interrupting the ritual is hazardous, and seems ment to be done under certain specifications or else it will have catastrophic consequences. Yeah, which is why I say their wings are from the corruption of a Darkin, like how half of Kayn is all demon looking, but Kayle and Morgana's Darkin have wings. Although Kayle's corruption is the Ascended power from the Darkin, and Morgana's corruption is the blood magic, or void, part of the Darkin. We still don't quite know why the Darkin look the way they do.
> [{quoted}](name=MrNhbdy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T22:44:11.770+0000) > > "The map doesn't show where they are born, just where they are most related. So Taric is not labeled as a Demacian champion, he is labeled as a Targonian. I find it hard to believe two Aspects would be closer related to Demacia, then to Targon." > > I may have worded that backwords about Taric, but my point is still there. Taric actually has more of a history with Demacia then Targon. In the whole of his life the whole being an Aspect thing would be new. His lore doesn\t even say where he is currently located after his transformation into an Aspect. Though the map has him with Mt. Targon its like you said its "just where they are most related". But based on both side of our debate on this part of the subject I think the whole "being from Targon(space)" may not be right regards to Kayle and Morg. kind of sad about this though. Yeah, well, Riot has been backing away, pretty hard, from space being heaven and all. Nasus was suppose to be from space, now he is not, Malphite was suppose to be from space, now he is not. I think Riot wants to make the champions, actually from space, more special, you know? Like, they look like they are from space. > Proximity and association would not cause TWO individuals to gain wings from a single Darkin. The weapon could be broken, and each sister only has pieces of it. > Unless they change the style of Kayle's wings to look less angelic and more along the pattern with Kayn's corruption then I don't believe they are from a Darkin weapon. Also if you look at the corruption on Kayn its coming from direct contact with the weapon, its affecting the side of his body that he mainly uses to weild Rhaast. They would just have to give Morgana a more demonic looking set of wings... which is very much doable. > Now something that I have thought of while debating with you is that Kayle do to her strong will and since of justice could have actually over powered a Darkin's will and became partially ascended through this. > However this does not explain why Morg and Kayle both have wings. Well, Kayle is not able to us the Darkin to it's fullest, Aatrox even says so. _"Die, Kayle, knowing you potential will never be reached."_ Seems to me, like Kayle is missing pieces to her weapon, pieces Morgana just so happens to be holding, the chains.
imgrabe (NA)
: kayle and morgana are not wielding darkin weapons. they don’t even look like darkin weapons
> [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-12T22:28:56.571+0000) > > kayle and morgana are not wielding darkin weapons. they don’t even look like darkin weapons Shadow Assassin Kayn doesn't look like he is wielding a Darkin. His scythe is an ornate beautiful looking weapon, with a beautiful blue accent. Like, imagine the sword going evil, and it's wings turning into dark angel wings, like Morgana's, and opening up to an evil Tower of Sauron lookin' ass eye. And just like that, it's a Darkin.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T17:14:07.026+0000) > > Yes, you've posted that before. Like I said, spheres or no (but actually especially if they're spheres), they'd be too big to make a scale with using the sword. And it will unfold... into what exactly, and why? I thought you said Morgana was the one using the chains and shields now, and those aspects were separated from Kayle's weapon. Kayle and Morgana would both wielding parts of the Darkin Scale. That is why Aatrox says Kayle will never reach her full potential, because Morgana has parts of the weapon. They are magic spheres, they can be as big or as little as they need them to be. > Ta'anari is no longer a Darkin. There was sort of a big deal about how he was reduced to becoming a mortal. Plus, due to his betrayal of the other Darkin, I doubt the others would want to seek him out even if he was alive, so he wouldn't be amongst the five that Varus wishes to reunite. ...Then why was a human heart forged into the crossblade? No one who says Ta'anari was human has answered that. Also, why does Sivir go on a murderous rampage when she first picks up the crossblade? Killing people who were offering her her weight in gold seems really out of her character for Sivir. Also, you can't exactly perform the ritual on a Darkin, if their body just gets back up. Like, if you ripped out Aatrox's heart, without turning him human again, he would just get pissed off, and take his heart back, or just grow a new one. Like, ripping out Deadpool's heart won't do anything, unless you take away his regeneration. Well, Sivir is prophesied to bring out great destruction with the crossblade, and since the Darkin literally want to destroy the world and kill the gods, that sounds pretty "great" to me.
> That doesn't sound "obviously connected" to me. It sounds like two separate things. You also have yet to answer why it would be designed as a scale in the first place. A sword that could unfold into a scale sounds like it'd be a pretty flimsy weapon, magic or no. It also wouldn't read _as_ a scale without those elements, IMO. Well, she's Varus's sister right? So wouldn't it make sense that their weapons both open up to shoot lasers? It wasn't made as a scale, it was made to shoot sun magic. Also, another Darkin might actually be the source of the chains of their weapon, but, for whatever reason, they are bound together into a single weapon. Because, there are too many Darkin in the lore for there to be only 5. So, I am taking that as meaning that there are 5 Darkin weapons, despite there being more than 5 Darkin, also one is probably a zombie. But that is just speculation. > No, it would be Morgana and Kayle's gameplay because those are the champs used. Saying otherwise is just a lazy cop-out. > > A fusion would be something that a champ would have to be designed around, to the point where I don't think they _could_ "work perfectly fine on their own." It's not like the minor buffs Xayah and Rakan get when played together, this is something that could alter a game entirely. Well, Morgana's kit works fine connected to another champion, and Kayle will most likely have a completely new kit. So, if anything, Kayle would be more designed around becoming a fusion of 2 champions. > Another thing, how the hell would it work skins-wise? Good question. It could be based on their kills and assist, like, when they fuse, based on who did more in game, their skin dominates their fusion, and changes their personality a bit. Like Morgana would be more Darkin than Ascended, and Kayle, the opposite. Or it could just be using assets based on specific skins. Like, having ather wings and ghost bride would make a robotic core with ghostly effects and accessories around it, and changing it to death blossom would be a robotic core surrounded by plants.
imgrabe (NA)
: their teaser looks like they’re going to be from targon or associated with it after the rework. that teaser doesn’t have a hint of darkin in it. there are only three darkin right now and they all originally came from shurima because of the new lore right? kayle is also unworthy of ascension, that’s what aatrox says
> [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T22:11:37.267+0000) > > their teaser looks like they’re going to be from targon or associated with it after the rework. that teaser doesn’t have a hint of darkin in it. Nope, They aren't from Targon, or at least are closer related to Demacia than they are to Targon. I mean, Taric was an awol Demacian soldier who let his brothers in arms die, and then redeemed himself by climbing Targon. He is labeled as a Targon champion, and not a Demacian champion. >there are only three darkin right now and they all originally came from shurima because of the new lore right? The Darkin themselves, yes, but Kayle and Morgana are not Darkin, they are wielding Darkin. Like how Kayn is a Noxian child soldier who was sent on a suicide mission to Ionia, but killed everyone he came across until he met Zed. Now he wants to take over Ionia, burn Noxus to the ground, and usurp Zed as the master of shadows. Him wielding a Darkin is actually irrelevant to his story or his goals. The wielders of Aatrox raged wars in the Freljords, and slaughtered Tryndamere's people, and Varus is wielded by Ionian lovers, Valmer and Kai, who were ambushed by Noxian soldiers and risked their lives to stay together by giving themselves to Varus. So, none of the wielders of Darkin are from Shurima, or have anything to do with Shurima. > kayle is also unworthy of ascension, that’s what aatrox says Kayle is not worthy of the Ascended power she is using, because she didn't go through the ritual, and she wasn't honored by Shurima.
imgrabe (NA)
: kayle and morgana are most likely not going to be darkin. and idk that the teaser for the second champ is going to be a darkin.
> [{quoted}](name=imgrabe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T22:00:00.558+0000) > > kayle and morgana are most likely not going to be darkin. and idk that the teaser for the second champ is going to be a darkin. Really? From all of the evidence we have, it seems pretty likely that they are going to be wielding a Darkin. Like, every providence gets a Darkin, and the only one we don't have is from Demacia... also the Shadow Isles. Kayle and Morgana are from Demacia. The Darkin are allegorical to the horsemen of the apocalypse, and I don't think there is a better pair of champions to better represent the scales of justice and famine than Kayle and Morgana. They are Ascended, and the only things with Ascended power is the Sun Disk, and the Darkin, so, either Azir is giving out power to whomever, or they got a hold of a Darkin. The amount of hoops you would have to jump through for Kayle and Morgana to not be Darkin is a bit nuts.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T17:14:07.026+0000) > > Yes, you've posted that before. Like I said, spheres or no (but actually especially if they're spheres), they'd be too big to make a scale with using the sword. And it will unfold... into what exactly, and why? I thought you said Morgana was the one using the chains and shields now, and those aspects were separated from Kayle's weapon. Kayle and Morgana would both wielding parts of the Darkin Scale. That is why Aatrox says Kayle will never reach her full potential, because Morgana has parts of the weapon. They are magic spheres, they can be as big or as little as they need them to be. > Ta'anari is no longer a Darkin. There was sort of a big deal about how he was reduced to becoming a mortal. Plus, due to his betrayal of the other Darkin, I doubt the others would want to seek him out even if he was alive, so he wouldn't be amongst the five that Varus wishes to reunite. ...Then why was a human heart forged into the crossblade? No one who says Ta'anari was human has answered that. Also, why does Sivir go on a murderous rampage when she first picks up the crossblade? Killing people who were offering her her weight in gold seems really out of her character for Sivir. Also, you can't exactly perform the ritual on a Darkin, if their body just gets back up. Like, if you ripped out Aatrox's heart, without turning him human again, he would just get pissed off, and take his heart back, or just grow a new one. Like, ripping out Deadpool's heart won't do anything, unless you take away his regeneration. Well, Sivir is prophesied to bring out great destruction with the crossblade, and since the Darkin literally want to destroy the world and kill the gods, that sounds pretty "great" to me.
> [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000006,timestamp=2018-08-12T21:10:14.253+0000) > > But I thought it you said it unfolded to shoot magic, not to balance things on. The pommel of the sword doesn't seem to have the requisite hinge either. Either way, are you also saying now that the chains and shield have nothing to do with the scale? I could do both. Wait. What? That's like saying Varus's arrow has nothing to do with his bow. They are obviously directly connected, just, through magic, and not a physical object. > Not going to pretend I know or care about the finer points of gameplay, but Reav3 made it a point to say the only things gameplay-wise they are likely to tweak on Morgana are some adjustments to her passive or w. Having her fuse with another champ (with whom she tends to share the same role as or is in a different lane from) would be a massive gameplay change that I don't think could be called a mere "adjustment." Well, the fusion wouldn't be part of Morgana's or Kayle's gameplay, and it would be optional. It would be part of Varus's sister's gameplay. Morgana and Kayle would still work perfectly fine as individual champions, and fusing might actually be a detriment to their gameplay, as it turns two champions into a single target. > Also, Riot didn't need to rework an old champion to try an assassin-style support, or a champ that didn't need to go back to base in order to get items, or a champ whose gameplay could diverge into two separate classifications. Yeah, but those weren't as hard to balance as a co-op champion. Plus, with how champion select works, this might be the only way to get something like this to work. Have two champions who work perfectly fine on their own, and give them the option to become a single champion.
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TlEx5OtB,comment-id=000100010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T20:31:42.022+0000) > > He is enchained... within the weapon. Varus and Aatrox both have chains, and if either of the teases for either Kayle and Morgana, or that champion beneath Demacia, are Darkin, then they will also be all about chains. Just because Varus has chains does not mean Aatrox has chains. Rhaast, for example, doesn't have any chains. Nowhere is it stated that Aatrox can summon chains in the lore. Him being imprisoned within his weapon doesn't explain it. Also, how come you just chose to ignore everything else I said? > > What? No, he is still "alive." All Ascended, who weren't completely unmade by moon magic, are still alive. But he isn't an Ascended anymore. > I mean Azir was turned into dust and came back to life. Response below. > That being said, Ta'anari's body was killed, and in order to prevent his immortal essence from reviving his body, it was sealed within the crossblade, just like the other Darkin. But Ta'anari wasn't a Darkin anymore at that point. I don't know why I'm not stressing this enough. > > If what you say is true, then Sivir would be able to revive Aatrox's body, and then there would be 2 Aatroxs. How does this have anything to do with what I said? > > He was run through and shrugged it off. Source. > > Azir on the other hand was literally placed in a jar, and then came back to life. It isn't stated that he was placed in a jar. Also, read response below. > > Well Azir died, and Sivir died. They got better. They were both resurrected by Blood Magic and the Oasis of the Dawn respectively. Ta'anari isn't said to have been resurrected by anything. > > That could mean any number of things. It could mean that they simply need different weapons to put the other Darkin in, or that the other Darkin aren't going to just give themselves up like Ta'anari did, or that she won't be around to capture the other Darkin, or that they won't be able to just shoot moon magic and expect them to sit there and take it. That isn't what the word "approach" means. "Different approach" doesn't mean "the actions leading up to the result is going to be different". "Different approach" means you literally do something else entirely. > > Oh, no, you're right, Azir wasn't ashes in a jar, or a burnt skeleton, he was literal nothingness. There was not a single atom of Azir in existence, but when Sivir's magic blood touched his temple, Azir just popped back to life, out of a drop of blood. > > _Azir saw none of this. For him, all was nothingness. His last memories were of pain and fire; he knew nothing of what befell him atop the temple, nor what became of his empire. He remained lost in timeless oblivion until, thousands of years after Shurima's doom, the blood of his last descendant spilled onto the temple ruins and resurrected him. Azir was reborn, but was yet incomplete; his body little more than animate dust given form, held together by the last vestiges of his indomitable will._ "Little more than animate dust" doesn't necessarily have to be literal here. It could just be a metaphor for how it's been thousands of years since his body last moved an inch. Again, going back to jumping to conclusions generally being a bad idea. > > Yes, but not impossible. Any part of their body seems like it could hold their immortal essence. What do you mean "seems like"? There's still no confirmation. > > That's, just like, your opinion man. "Just my opinion"? Because I'm not making up stuff and actually using what's present in the lore it's "just my opinion"? Just because I don't agree with what you're saying, it's "just my opinion"? Don't try to act ignorant here, nothing you said about Valeeva having wings or Kayle having a Darkin weapon is confirmed in the lore, nor having any hints towards it at all. You can't just make up stuff as you please.
> But he isn't an Ascended anymore. His body was no longer Ascended, because if it was, it could have been resurrected, through blood magic, but his immortal essence was placed within the crossblade. > How does this have anything to do with what I said? Because they didn't want the Darkin to be able to be resurrected by anyone. Not other Darkin, not Sivir, not the worshipers of the Darkin. No one. > Source. https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/nasus-color-story/ _Xerath’s emissaries fanned out, their horses bucking and snorting. The Ascended was flanked on three sides. Malouf did not hesitate, drawing his blade and piercing Nasus’s side with it. Pain rippled through the ancient curator’s body. The rider attempted to withdraw his weapon, but it wouldn’t budge. A clawed hand gripped the blade, keeping it agonizingly buried within Ascended flesh. “You should have left me to my ghosts,” said Nasus._ Then he bashed them around, and then just walked away. > Ta'anari isn't said to have been resurrected by anything. But, if his essence wasn't sealed within the crossblade, he could be. Like, if someone sealed Azir's essence within his staff, and then killed him, he wouldn't be able to be resurrected again. > That isn't what the word "approach" means. > > "Different approach" doesn't mean "the actions leading up to the result is going to be different". > > "Different approach" means you literally do something else entirely. "Take a different approach" means to achieve the same result, through a different means. Like, imagine playing golf. You could ether approach the hole by going around some trees and sand pits, or, you could take a different approach, and just smack the ever loving crap out of the ball and go over the trees. Same result, different approaches to the problem. > "Little more than animate dust" doesn't necessarily have to be literal here. > > It could just be a metaphor for how it's been thousands of years since his body last moved an inch. His body was exposed to the raw power of the Sun Disk and literally disintegrated into nothing. There was nothing to put in Azir's temple, and even if there was, Xerath wouldn't allow it, he was emperor now. > What do you mean "seems like"? > > There's still no confirmation. Yeah, it seems like this is the direction Riot is going with the Darkin. It seemed like Marvel stored the souls of everyone erased in the soul gem. It seems like the caterpillar at the end of The Hungry Caterpillar is going to become a butterfly. Although I do not know for certain, it seems like that is going to be the likely outcome. I know there still is no confirmation, which is why I am just saying, this is the likeliest outcome, of what we know so far. > "Just my opinion"? > > Because I'm not making up stuff and actually using what's present in the lore it's "just my opinion"? > > Just because I don't agree with what you're saying, it's "just my opinion"? > > Don't try to act ignorant here, nothing you said about Valeeva having wings or Kayle having a Darkin weapon is confirmed in the lore, nor having any hints towards it at all. > > You can't just make up stuff as you please. I'm not making any of this up. I am looking for clues in the lore about what is going to happen. I mean, who would do that? Just go on the internet and make stuff up. Before the map, I would have said that Kayle and Morgana were most likely Aspects from Targon... but they are Demacian now, which means their wings must come from something else. Couldn't be Azir, he just got Shurima back in working order. Couldn't be Vastyans, Demacians hate Vastyans. They had to come from another source of Ascended power, and that source most likely is a Darkin. The Darkin are obviously allegorical to the four horsemen of the apocalypse, so the fourth Darkin is most likely based on a scale, and carries with them a duality, as the scale represents both justice and famine, just like the duality between Kayle and Morgana. I could keep going, but you have probably already heard all of this and you must think I am crazy for pointing at the littlest things in the lore and trying to squeeze meaning from them. But hey, that's just a theory, A GAME THEORY! thanks for watching.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T17:14:07.026+0000) > > Yes, you've posted that before. Like I said, spheres or no (but actually especially if they're spheres), they'd be too big to make a scale with using the sword. And it will unfold... into what exactly, and why? I thought you said Morgana was the one using the chains and shields now, and those aspects were separated from Kayle's weapon. Kayle and Morgana would both wielding parts of the Darkin Scale. That is why Aatrox says Kayle will never reach her full potential, because Morgana has parts of the weapon. They are magic spheres, they can be as big or as little as they need them to be. > Ta'anari is no longer a Darkin. There was sort of a big deal about how he was reduced to becoming a mortal. Plus, due to his betrayal of the other Darkin, I doubt the others would want to seek him out even if he was alive, so he wouldn't be amongst the five that Varus wishes to reunite. ...Then why was a human heart forged into the crossblade? No one who says Ta'anari was human has answered that. Also, why does Sivir go on a murderous rampage when she first picks up the crossblade? Killing people who were offering her her weight in gold seems really out of her character for Sivir. Also, you can't exactly perform the ritual on a Darkin, if their body just gets back up. Like, if you ripped out Aatrox's heart, without turning him human again, he would just get pissed off, and take his heart back, or just grow a new one. Like, ripping out Deadpool's heart won't do anything, unless you take away his regeneration. Well, Sivir is prophesied to bring out great destruction with the crossblade, and since the Darkin literally want to destroy the world and kill the gods, that sounds pretty "great" to me.
> [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000004,timestamp=2018-08-12T20:25:29.790+0000) > > You sure about that? The heart seems to be fairly special in the LoL universe, going by how it was the hardest thing for the Revicks to construct artificially, it's probably much more than a simple pump. I think with Darkin, any body part will do, so long as their essence is contained within it. > Varus uses arrows, however magical they may be. His weapon is the darkin bow, which is an actual, physical thing and is used like one would expect to use a bow. You're trying to say that a) the majority of the scales isn't a physical thing and b) isn't actually connected like scales would be or used like scales would be at all, yet they're still referred to as the darkin scales according to you. The only thing a scale needs to be called a scale is the balancing rod. A teeter totter is a scale, and it is just a stick balancing on a pole, and that is the only physical part of the Darkin Scale. Besides, 2 actual shields dangling from actual chains, on an actual rod would be way to cumbersome. > I can also all but guarantee that that won't happen. They're not going to have such a radical gameplay change (especially on Morgana's part). If they were going to try a two-player champ, it would be a new one, not a reworked one, as that would invite all kinds of hatred and scorn from the playerbase. More than usual. Well, what does Morgana's gameplay involve? A point a click aoe, a point and click shield, a massive aoe ultimate, and a skill shot. Morgana's kit would work just as well connected to another champion, in fact, the extra bulk from 2 champion's health pools would make her ultimate much safer to use to it's fullest. Kayle's kit is also very bare bones, nothing but point and clicks, and it too could work perfectly well attached to another champion. Besides, Riot won't know how to balance a co-op champion if there is no co-op champion. This temporary fusion of existing champions is just what Riot needs to test the waters on making a full fledged co-op champion.
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TlEx5OtB,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T19:07:24.826+0000) > > But... he does absorb people, he has life steal. The same way Nasus eats souls... through his life steal, or how Karthus absorbs souls, through mana regen. He does absorb flesh... because he does... in game. I'm not saying he can't absorb people. I'm saying people are the ONLY thing he can absorb. How they are in-game isn't always representative of how they work in the lore. For example, how would you explain something like Ekko's E? How does he suddenly blink? That has nothing to do with rewinding time. Same thing with Aatrox. How do you explain his W? He isn't mentioned to be able to summon chains in his lore, so why can he in-game? The Lifesteal is something that was iconic to his old kit and thus Riot couldn't remove it. However, only having the Lifesteal apply to human champions would break the game, so they had to make it apply to everyone. Although, from a lore standpoint, that shouldn't work. I mean, how would you explain the Lifesteal working against someone like Xerath, who literally doesn't have any flesh at all? > > And, he was killed, like how Aatrox, Varus, Rhaast, and the others were killed.... Sure, but he was turned into a mortal first, meaning the Darkin "curse" of being immortal didn't apply to him. > If you tried to cut out one of Nasus's organs, without turning him back into a human, Nasus would just get pissed off. Are you sure that's how it works? I'd like to see a source stating this. I'm pretty sure Nasus has as much need for his organs as humans do. > > Did she kill Ta'anari? She ripped out his heart and then had it forged into the crossblade. "Her hands were inside him, and Ta’anari felt his heart being cut away, felt it being lifted from the cage of his cloven ribs... yet, still, he lived. For a few moments more, at least." This pretty much confirms that he died. > That seems like, to me, how you perform the ritual. Suppress their Ascended power, enough to kill their body, then contain their essence in one of their organs, rip it out, and forge it into a weapon. There's still the problem of Myisha saying that what she did with Ta'anari wouldn't work on the other Darkin. We don't have any confirmation saying that the other Darkin were imprisoned in the same manner as Ta'anari, judging from Myisha's quote, we can assume that they weren't. > > Actually, plenty of living beings can survive without a heart. I'm pretty sure you get what I was trying to say. > Besides, they are magic. If you ripped out Nasus's heart, there is a good chance he will be able to get back up. Still like to see the source stating this, because I can't possibly believe that a heart can just be removed like that. > I mean, Azir did, and he was turned into a skeleton. What? What do you mean "was turned into a skeleton"? > Ascended can be as immortal as the writers want them to be. Stabbed in the brain can kill an Ascended, but scorching an Ascended to the bone, only mostly kills them. Mostly dead, is still a little alive. Again, still like to see the source stating this. ...Also, this did nothing to explain why Rhaast was imprisoned inside his eye for some reason. > > If we look at Varus's current design... the bow could have been his wings. He and Velaava could have been winged Ascended, Okay, I'm sorry, but this is just plain stupid. Varus was clearly mentioned to have a bow while he was still an Ascended, and neither him nor Valeeva are stated to have wings. This is just speculation for the sake of speculation. > like Aatrox, and they could have been turned back into humans, have their wings ripped off, and then their wings forged into weapons. That isn't how the Darkin weapons work. All of the Darkin to date have been imprisoned within their own weapons, not their body parts. Besides, how would you explain the whole "cutting out the heart and putting it into stuff" thingy? Are you really telling me that the mortals carved off his wings and then took his heart and put it inside of his wings? That sounds ridiculous. > Varus being his blow and Velaava being her weapon, which look like it's going to be Kayle's sword... the one made of wings. What do you mean "looks like it's going to"? Valeeva is still not mentioned to have any wings, and Kayle's weapon isn't mentioned to be a Darkin weapon. You're trying to draw connections where there literally are none.
> How do you explain his W? He isn't mentioned to be able to summon chains in his lore, so why can he in-game? He is enchained... within the weapon. Varus and Aatrox both have chains, and if either of the teases for either Kayle and Morgana, or that champion beneath Demacia, are Darkin, then they will also be all about chains. > Sure, but he was turned into a mortal first, meaning the Darkin "curse" of being immortal didn't apply to him. What? No, he is still "alive." All Ascended, who weren't completely unmade by moon magic, are still alive. I mean Azir was turned into dust and came back to life. Although, he did have to be revived by Sivir. That being said, Ta'anari's body was killed, and in order to prevent his immortal essence from reviving his body, it was sealed within the crossblade, just like the other Darkin. If what you say is true, then Sivir would be able to revive Aatrox's body, and then there would be 2 Aatroxs. > Are you sure that's how it works? > > I'd like to see a source stating this. > > I'm pretty sure Nasus has as much need for his organs as humans do. He was run through and shrugged it off. Azir on the other hand was literally placed in a jar, and then came back to life. > "Her hands were inside him, and Ta’anari felt his heart being cut away, felt it being lifted from the cage of his cloven ribs... yet, still, he lived. > > For a few moments more, at least." > > This pretty much confirms that he died. Well Azir died, and Sivir died. They got better. > There's still the problem of Myisha saying that what she did with Ta'anari wouldn't work on the other Darkin. That could mean any number of things. It could mean that they simply need different weapons to put the other Darkin in, or that the other Darkin aren't going to just give themselves up like Ta'anari did, or that she won't be around to capture the other Darkin, or that they won't be able to just shoot moon magic and expect them to sit there and take it. > I'm pretty sure you get what I was trying to say. > > Still like to see the source stating this, because I can't possibly believe that a heart can just be removed like that. > > What? > > What do you mean "was turned into a skeleton"? > > Again, still like to see the source stating this. Oh, no, you're right, Azir wasn't ashes in a jar, or a burnt skeleton, he was literal nothingness. There was not a single atom of Azir in existence, but when Sivir's magic blood touched his temple, Azir just popped back to life, out of a drop of blood. _Azir saw none of this. For him, all was nothingness. His last memories were of pain and fire; he knew nothing of what befell him atop the temple, nor what became of his empire. He remained lost in timeless oblivion until, thousands of years after Shurima's doom, the blood of his last descendant spilled onto the temple ruins and resurrected him. Azir was reborn, but was yet incomplete; his body little more than animate dust given form, held together by the last vestiges of his indomitable will._ > Okay, I'm sorry, but this is just plain stupid. > > Varus was clearly mentioned to have a bow while he was still an Ascended, and neither him nor Valeeva are stated to have wings. > > This is just speculation for the sake of speculation. > > That isn't how the Darkin weapons work. > > All of the Darkin to date have been imprisoned within their own weapons, not their body parts. > > Besides, how would you explain the whole "cutting out the heart and putting it into stuff" thingy? > > Are you really telling me that the mortals carved off his wings and then took his heart and put it inside of his wings? > > That sounds ridiculous. Yes, but not impossible. Any part of their body seems like it could hold their immortal essence. > What do you mean "looks like it's going to"? > > Valeeva is still not mentioned to have any wings, and Kayle's weapon isn't mentioned to be a Darkin weapon. > > You're trying to draw connections where there literally are none. That's, just like, your opinion man.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T17:14:07.026+0000) > > Yes, you've posted that before. Like I said, spheres or no (but actually especially if they're spheres), they'd be too big to make a scale with using the sword. And it will unfold... into what exactly, and why? I thought you said Morgana was the one using the chains and shields now, and those aspects were separated from Kayle's weapon. Kayle and Morgana would both wielding parts of the Darkin Scale. That is why Aatrox says Kayle will never reach her full potential, because Morgana has parts of the weapon. They are magic spheres, they can be as big or as little as they need them to be. > Ta'anari is no longer a Darkin. There was sort of a big deal about how he was reduced to becoming a mortal. Plus, due to his betrayal of the other Darkin, I doubt the others would want to seek him out even if he was alive, so he wouldn't be amongst the five that Varus wishes to reunite. ...Then why was a human heart forged into the crossblade? No one who says Ta'anari was human has answered that. Also, why does Sivir go on a murderous rampage when she first picks up the crossblade? Killing people who were offering her her weight in gold seems really out of her character for Sivir. Also, you can't exactly perform the ritual on a Darkin, if their body just gets back up. Like, if you ripped out Aatrox's heart, without turning him human again, he would just get pissed off, and take his heart back, or just grow a new one. Like, ripping out Deadpool's heart won't do anything, unless you take away his regeneration. Well, Sivir is prophesied to bring out great destruction with the crossblade, and since the Darkin literally want to destroy the world and kill the gods, that sounds pretty "great" to me.
> So they _are_ still Ascended when imprisoned, which means that they have not been made mortal first. If they weren't made mortal first, they would be able to pull off what Azir did and just reconstitute from their heartless body. They had to be made mortal so their immortal essence could be located elsewhere. > Why would the scales exist in the first place? What would be the practical purpose of them? Well, it was probably just a sword until they forged her into the sword. Varus's bow was just a bow before his, whatever body part, was forged into it, now it can break apart into 4 pieces and shoot a giant magic arrow. >Why would they be referred to as scales if the chains and dishes aren't technically part of them? Varus is refereed tp as the arrow of retribution, despite his arrows being ethereal magic arrows that aren't part of the bow. > (also if they don't make Varus's sister a champ unto herself imma be pissed but that's a discussion for another thread) She can still be her own champion. I mean, Valmar and Kai were two individuals before being monster mashed into demon pants. Nothing is stopping Riot from turning Kayle and Morgana into LoL's version of [Cho'Gall](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD5ug5jD-q4), by monster mashing them together, through some late game interaction between an allied Kayle and Morgana.
Cetri (NA)
: Buddy, it's fine to have theories, but please stop talking about them as though they're 100% confirmed.
> [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2018-08-12T19:23:13.012+0000) > > Buddy, it's fine to have theories, but please stop talking about them as though they're 100% confirmed. I mean, Riot is trying to get rid of all the old lore right? Summoner's Rift is still a thing, and they want to get rid of it. So it makes sense that everything Zoe has been saying, about how it's all going to change after the gods die, and we have Sol wanting to kill the gods, and we have the Darkin who want to kill the gods, and we have the World Runes, that are powerful enough to do just about anything. Pretty safe to say we are going to get more Darkin lore sooner rather than later.
: Wait, what? Where did you get that from?
> [{quoted}](name=DwarvenGiant,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FAm7hvA8,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-08-12T19:20:12.827+0000) > > Wait, what? > Where did you get that from? Well, Kayle and Morgana are getting their relaunch, and if they aren't the Darkin, the thing chained up beneath Demacia could be. Riot wants to finish this story line asap. So they could pull a Cataclysm, and reinvent the map, and stop calling it Summoner's Rift, since, you know, there are no such thing as summoners anymore. Probably will be a season 10 thing, you know, for the anniversary of LoL.
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T17:14:07.026+0000) > > Yes, you've posted that before. Like I said, spheres or no (but actually especially if they're spheres), they'd be too big to make a scale with using the sword. And it will unfold... into what exactly, and why? I thought you said Morgana was the one using the chains and shields now, and those aspects were separated from Kayle's weapon. Kayle and Morgana would both wielding parts of the Darkin Scale. That is why Aatrox says Kayle will never reach her full potential, because Morgana has parts of the weapon. They are magic spheres, they can be as big or as little as they need them to be. > Ta'anari is no longer a Darkin. There was sort of a big deal about how he was reduced to becoming a mortal. Plus, due to his betrayal of the other Darkin, I doubt the others would want to seek him out even if he was alive, so he wouldn't be amongst the five that Varus wishes to reunite. ...Then why was a human heart forged into the crossblade? No one who says Ta'anari was human has answered that. Also, why does Sivir go on a murderous rampage when she first picks up the crossblade? Killing people who were offering her her weight in gold seems really out of her character for Sivir. Also, you can't exactly perform the ritual on a Darkin, if their body just gets back up. Like, if you ripped out Aatrox's heart, without turning him human again, he would just get pissed off, and take his heart back, or just grow a new one. Like, ripping out Deadpool's heart won't do anything, unless you take away his regeneration. Well, Sivir is prophesied to bring out great destruction with the crossblade, and since the Darkin literally want to destroy the world and kill the gods, that sounds pretty "great" to me.
> [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T18:56:00.860+0000) > > So if the weapon is fractured, why would the sword unfold? Well, Varus's bow unfolds to fire an even more powerful arrow, and if Varus's sister in Kayle's sword, it would make sense that the sword would unfold to shoot magic. > If I am allowed to do some wild speculation as well, I would say that the chalicar contains some residual anti-darkin magic, the source of that being a heart from one whose Ascended status was torn from him. One could also explain Sivir's reaction to the chalicar as subconsciously realizing it was her destiny to wield it. As well, she is not necessarily prophesied to bring great destruction. It is said that it _could_ be a weapon of destruction, _or_ a symbol of unity. Well, it's not anti-darkin magic, it is a moon based weapon, like Diana's crescent blade. Since Ascended are made from sun magic, moon magic can unmake them. The source of it's magic is the moon, like how the source of the sun disk's magic is the sun. > Considering we have not yet seen how Aatrox, Varus, and Rhaast were bound to their weapons, it's a little premature to say you can't bind them without turning them mortal first. In fact, if it was a requirement, it would also poke a hole in your theory that Kayle has the Ascended powers from the darkin, as _there would be no Ascended powers to gain._ Kayn has the Ascended power of Rhaast when he enters shadow assassin mode, and Rhaast becomes a quiet, beautiful scythe, much like Kayle's beautiful sword. Ascended power lasts forever, even after the body has been turned into dust, the power still remains, unless undone by moon magic. Like when Sivir's royal blood touched some of Azir's ashes and caused him to regrow his entire everything. In order to prevent the Darkin from being able to do that, their immortal essence was sealed within weapons. > And once more, with feeling: > > Why would the scales exist in the first place? What would be the practical purpose of them? Why would they be referred to as scales if the chains and dishes aren't technically part of them? Why would Riot make something so blatantly a Horsemen ripoff when they have stated before that they want to avoid specific references to real-world religions? I don't think Riot has ever said they weren't going to reference anything. They did however say they weren't going to take direct reference. Like, the literal Gilgamesh isn't going to ever be in LoL, but a champion based on him could. So no, none of the Darkin are going to be on horseback, and they aren't working for God. Is Azir an allegory for Ra? Yes. Is Azir Ra? No.
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TlEx5OtB,comment-id=00010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T11:54:50.329+0000) > > Aatrox says he will absorb these mortal's flesh into his own. So long as a creature is made of flesh, and could be killed, it seems like Aatrox can absorb them. That's not how logic works. Mortal flesh, and literal god warrior flesh isn't the same thing. He clearly states "these mortals", not "all flesh". If he actually could absorb everything, he'd do so, but he doesn't, meaning he can't. > And if you think Ta'anari was killed, it's possible Darkin can still be killed. First off, Ta'anari isn't a Darkin. He was turned into a human, and then killed. Second off, it is possible that Darkin can still be killed, yes, but Myisha must have had some reason for imprisoning the rest rather than killing them. This is not to mention the state Aatrox is currently in where he can't die, and the quotes Rhaast have suggesting he's immortal. *Maybe,* they can be killed but it'd certainly take a lot of work. And even if Darkin can be killed, that does not mean they can be absorbed. > > But she didn't want to kill them. The power of the Ascended is very rare and, at the time, there was a very limited amount of beings possessing the power of Ascension. Her not wanting to kill them does not mean she didn't kill them. She had no problem killing all the other Darkin, she had no problem turning Ta'anari into a human and then killing him, why would she have a problem with killing the last three? > She even said she wants to give their "fire" to the humans. I think you're mistaking the "fire" in question here. She clearly states: “The power that coursed through this weapon touched you all, Ta’anari. It knows your kind now. And I give that fire to mortals.” This "fire" that she's speaking of here is clearly the power inside the weapon, not the power of the Darkin. And the power inside the weapon is the power to imprison the rest of the Darkin (supposedly). We know that the Darkin imprisonments were performed by mortals with the help of the Golden Queen of Valoran. It doesn't take much more than two braincells to figure this one out. > > Well, Rhaast's eye was clearly the body part of his body sealed within his scythe. First off, we don't know if his eye was imprisoned within the scythe. It can be corruption covering the weapon, just like how the Golden Queen was corrupted by wielding Varus. Second off, really? A heart being what needs to be imprisoned within a weapon sorta makes sense since no living being can survive without a heart. But an eye? How are you going to try and explain the logic in this exactly? > We both know that Varus was not designed to be a Darkin. > > Saying that an organ isn't sealed within each Darkin is a pretty weak defense, when every Darkin weapon has an organ in it, besides Varus, and again, he doesn't count. First off, it's not confirmed that every Darkin weapon we currently know of have an organ in them. Going back to it being a possibility that it's just corruption taking over the weapon. Second off, even if the Darkin weapons we currently know of have organs in it, that does not mean every Darkin weapon has an organ in it. We don't know if N/A and N/A have organs imprisoned within their weapons. Third off, Varus wasn't designed to be a Darkin originally, but he's a Darkin now. You can't use the excuse "he doesn't count" just because you can't fit him into your crackpot theory. He's a Darkin. Deal with it. > > That would be like saying, well we don't know if Thanos's snap caused half of the universe to disappear, it could have been that Lady Death just so happened to want to kill half of everything, directly after Thanos snapped, or maybe an omega level mutant could have done it, we just can't say for absolute certainty until the next Avengers movie is out. So stop saying Thanos wiped out half of all life, until the next movie is out, cause you sound delusional. First off, I still have yet to find out why you keep cross-referencing comic books when that isn't what we're talking about. Second off, I've yet to find out why you love the word "delusional" so much when I haven't said it at all. Third off, yes. You're correct. We can't know for certain. Jumping to conclusions is almost always a bad idea. Also, I don't find the comparison fitting. With Thanos, we actually see people dying as he snaps his finger. We have evidence that this happened to some extent. However, we don't see the Darkin having their hearts/eyes/genitalia/whatever cut out and put into their weapons. There isn't any concrete evidence.
> If he actually could absorb everything, he'd do so, but he doesn't, meaning he can't. But... he does absorb people, he has life steal. The same way Nasus eats souls... through his life steal, or how Karthus absorbs souls, through mana regen. He does absorb flesh... because he does... in game. > First off, Ta'anari isn't a Darkin. > > He was turned into a human, and then killed. And, he was killed, like how Aatrox, Varus, Rhaast, and the others were killed.... and their immortal essence was sealed within a weapon. If you tried to cut out one of Nasus's organs, without turning him back into a human, Nasus would just get pissed off. > Her not wanting to kill them does not mean she didn't kill them. > > She had no problem killing all the other Darkin, she had no problem turning Ta'anari into a human and then killing him, why would she have a problem with killing the last three? Did she kill Ta'anari? She ripped out his heart and then had it forged into the crossblade. That seems like, to me, how you perform the ritual. Suppress their Ascended power, enough to kill their body, then contain their essence in one of their organs, rip it out, and forge it into a weapon. > First off, we don't know if his eye was imprisoned within the scythe. It can be corruption covering the weapon, just like how the Golden Queen was corrupted by wielding Varus. > > Second off, really? > > A heart being what needs to be imprisoned within a weapon sorta makes sense since no living being can survive without a heart. > > But an eye? > > How are you going to try and explain the logic in this exactly? Actually, plenty of living beings can survive without a heart. Besides, they are magic. If you ripped out Nasus's heart, there is a good chance he will be able to get back up. I mean, Azir did, and he was turned into a skeleton. Ascended can be as immortal as the writers want them to be. Stabbed in the brain can kill an Ascended, but scorching an Ascended to the bone, only mostly kills them. Mostly dead, is still a little alive. > You can't use the excuse "he doesn't count" just because you can't fit him into your crackpot theory. If we look at Varus's current design... the bow could have been his wings. He and Velaava could have been winged Ascended, like Aatrox, and they could have been turned back into humans, have their wings ripped off, and then their wings forged into weapons. Varus being his blow and Velaava being her weapon, which look like it's going to be Kayle's sword... the one made of wings.
: Rhaast's lore update?
Well, the Darkin are getting a new addition around the end of the year, so that should be when they include Rhaast in a lore dump.
Cetri (NA)
: Yes, you've posted that before. Like I said, spheres or no (but actually especially if they're spheres), they'd be too big to make a scale with using the sword. And it will unfold... into what exactly, and why? I thought you said Morgana was the one using the chains and shields now, and those aspects were separated from Kayle's weapon. Ta'anari is no longer a Darkin. There was sort of a big deal about how he was reduced to becoming a mortal. Plus, due to his betrayal of the other Darkin, I doubt the others would want to seek him out even if he was alive, so he wouldn't be amongst the five that Varus wishes to reunite. Plus the other 3 points I mentioned.
> [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T17:14:07.026+0000) > > Yes, you've posted that before. Like I said, spheres or no (but actually especially if they're spheres), they'd be too big to make a scale with using the sword. And it will unfold... into what exactly, and why? I thought you said Morgana was the one using the chains and shields now, and those aspects were separated from Kayle's weapon. Kayle and Morgana would both wielding parts of the Darkin Scale. That is why Aatrox says Kayle will never reach her full potential, because Morgana has parts of the weapon. They are magic spheres, they can be as big or as little as they need them to be. > Ta'anari is no longer a Darkin. There was sort of a big deal about how he was reduced to becoming a mortal. Plus, due to his betrayal of the other Darkin, I doubt the others would want to seek him out even if he was alive, so he wouldn't be amongst the five that Varus wishes to reunite. ...Then why was a human heart forged into the crossblade? No one who says Ta'anari was human has answered that. Also, why does Sivir go on a murderous rampage when she first picks up the crossblade? Killing people who were offering her her weight in gold seems really out of her character for Sivir. Also, you can't exactly perform the ritual on a Darkin, if their body just gets back up. Like, if you ripped out Aatrox's heart, without turning him human again, he would just get pissed off, and take his heart back, or just grow a new one. Like, ripping out Deadpool's heart won't do anything, unless you take away his regeneration. Well, Sivir is prophesied to bring out great destruction with the crossblade, and since the Darkin literally want to destroy the world and kill the gods, that sounds pretty "great" to me.
Cetri (NA)
: It makes sense on its own, that a Darkin could magic up a shield. As a whole, however, it seems like a _massive_ stretch to make the concept of a "Darkin Scale" work. First off, Morgana's shield as it is now is a dome-like barrier around the target. Obviously, it has the chance to get redesigned, but purely for visual clarity I doubt it would change to the sort of shield it would have to be in order to make a dish. There's also the matter that such a shield, that is able to completely cover the target, would (as far as I can visualize) have a massive difference in size with the sword, such that it would make making a scale using them look very awkward. Second, what would be the practical point of the scale? All the Darkin thus far are bound in weapons they wielded as Ascended. You could use a sword as a weapon, but a scale would just be the world's most awkward set of nunchuks. The sword would also have to conjure the chains (and shields) from its tip(s), rather than the Darkin conjuring them as, say, Aatrox does. This, again, would be an awkward setup for something with a dubious point. Third, like I said, there's no reason to believe the sword can unfold in the first place. Finally, from a meta perspective, I _highly_ doubt that Riot would base the Darkin off the Horsemen, not only because there's 5 instead of 4, but also for the same reason that they didn't base the demons on the 7 deadly sins. They want themes more universal than references to specific religions.
> [{quoted}](name=Cetri,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-12T04:30:48.086+0000) > > It makes sense on its own, that a Darkin could magic up a shield. > > As a whole, however, it seems like a _massive_ stretch to make the concept of a "Darkin Scale" work. > > First off, Morgana's shield as it is now is a dome-like barrier around the target. Obviously, it has the chance to get redesigned, but purely for visual clarity I doubt it would change to the sort of shield it would have to be in order to make a dish. There's also the matter that such a shield, that is able to completely cover the target, would (as far as I can visualize) have a massive difference in size with the sword, such that it would make making a scale using them look very awkward. > > Second, what would be the practical point of the scale? All the Darkin thus far are bound in weapons they wielded as Ascended. You could use a sword as a weapon, but a scale would just be the world's most awkward set of nunchuks. The sword would also have to conjure the chains (and shields) from its tip(s), rather than the Darkin conjuring them as, say, Aatrox does. This, again, would be an awkward setup for something with a dubious point. > > Third, like I said, there's no reason to believe the sword can unfold in the first place. > > Finally, from a meta perspective, I _highly_ doubt that Riot would base the Darkin off the Horsemen, not only because there's 5 instead of 4, but also for the same reason that they didn't base the demons on the 7 deadly sins. They want themes more universal than references to specific religions. Well, here's a little mock up of Kayle's sword and Morgana's chains as a scale, and just imagine a black and yellow ball at the end of the chains. https://image.ibb.co/kKvnGK/Kayle_Sword_Open.png Their shields could still remain spheres, it doesn't have be that accurate. Well, Riot said that end game Kayle won't be melee at all, so she wouldn't be swinging this thing around, but just casting auto attacks. Early game she will swing around the scale in sword mode, but then it will unfold in the late game. Well, in the Bible, there are 5 horsemen. Once the final seal in broken in the Bible, Jesus descends from Heaven on horseback, with an army of angels behind him. For the allegory to be complete, however, LoL would need a Jesus type connected to the Darkin. If only there was a champion from an ancient prophecy, who swings around a cross, and was betrayed, killed, and resurrected, and has magic blood.... It's Sivir, Sivir is the Jesus figure, and is holding the fifth Darkin. His name is Ta'anari. He martyred himself to kill the other Darkin, and was the first to be sealed into a weapon, being the crossblade.
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TlEx5OtB,comment-id=000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-11T23:13:26.647+0000) > > Well, since Darkin can absorb other creatures, there is nothing stopping Valeeva, from say, absorbing Naganeka. That would make their fusion a single Darkin. It also explains why when Rhaast taunts Aatrox he says, _"we're moving to plan B, Aatrox. You die." _ Plan B is absorb each other into a single, unstoppable Darkin. This has got to be one of your wildest "theories" yet, SSmotzer. There's a reason why humans are the only creatures the Darkin are absorbing and using as their hosts. Because humans are (supposedly) the only creature they can absorb. No where is it stated that the Darkin can absorb eachother. > > Well yeah, they have to be able to kill their body to perform the sealing ritual. Won't do much good in sealing a Darkin heart into a sword if their body just gets back up. Not this again. First off, you're implying that Myisha actually sealed them without just killing them. Darkin can clearly be killed as Ta'anari almost killed all of the Darkin that were gathered there. What's stopping Myisha from killing the three that escaped? Second off, you're implying this "heart" thingy is needed to imprison every Darkin when A. Ta'anari is the only one to be shown having his heart removed and he wasn't a Darkin anymore at that point. B. Aatrox who *might* have his heart in his sword, but there's no direct confirmation. Neither Rhaast nor Varus have any **direct** evidence pointing to their hearts being in their weapons, and we don't know how N/A and N/A got imprisoned either. Need I remind you that what Myisha said about Ta'anari that, that won't work with the other Darkin and she would have to take a different approach.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TlEx5OtB,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T06:21:18.154+0000) > > This has got to be one of your wildest "theories" yet, SSmotzer. > > There's a reason why humans are the only creatures the Darkin are absorbing and using as their hosts. > > Because humans are (supposedly) the only creature they can absorb. > > No where is it stated that the Darkin can absorb eachother. Aatrox says he will absorb these mortal's flesh into his own. So long as a creature is made of flesh, and could be killed, it seems like Aatrox can absorb them. And if you think Ta'anari was killed, it's possible Darkin can still be killed. > Darkin can clearly be killed as Ta'anari almost killed all of the Darkin that were gathered there. But she didn't want to kill them. The power of the Ascended is very rare and, at the time, there was a very limited amount of beings possessing the power of Ascension. She even said she wants to give their "fire" to the humans. > Second off, you're implying this "heart" thingy is needed to imprison every Darkin when > > A. Ta'anari is the only one to be shown having his heart removed and he wasn't a Darkin anymore at that point. > > B. Aatrox who *might* have his heart in his sword, but there's no direct confirmation. > > Neither Rhaast nor Varus have any **direct** evidence pointing to their hearts being in their weapons, and we don't know how N/A and N/A got imprisoned either. Well, Rhaast's eye was clearly the body part of his body sealed within his scythe. We both know that Varus was not designed to be a Darkin. Saying that an organ isn't sealed within each Darkin is a pretty weak defense, when every Darkin weapon has an organ in it, besides Varus, and again, he doesn't count. That would be like saying, well we don't know if Thanos's snap caused half of the universe to disappear, it could have been that Lady Death just so happened to want to kill half of everything, directly after Thanos snapped, or maybe an omega level mutant could have done it, we just can't say for absolute certainty until the next Avengers movie is out. So stop saying Thanos wiped out half of all life, until the next movie is out, cause you sound delusional.
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: Thanks for the lore update a bit. Where does it say that Kayle and Morgana ARE native Demacians? I mean yes the Universe shows them being connected to demacia but till the lore update for them there is nothing saying they were BORN in Demacia. So ruling out Targon is like saying Taric has nothing to do with Targon because his location is Demacia. They could have come from Targon(space, not the mountain) and been bound to Runeterra in Demacia or just decided on Demacia. We don't have information to prove anything yet though. Vastayan? Possible, won't try to void this one, because I can't say that one tribe of birds will resemble another. wielding a darkin weapon? Darkin by association? OK this doesn't seem like a stretch for you? Seriously? In the case of Aatrox , who is thought to be the head of the darkin. He was only able to corrupt a single host and that was when he was being wielded by someone. Early next year still feels too soon for more Darkin lore, maybe that's just me though. If they went through the ascension ritual shouldn't they be less human looking, unless something happened during it I mean. In the case of Azir his ascension was interrupted and he was blasted out of a protective circle and DIED. The city was then destroyed because Xerath took his place and it wasn't ment for him. Azir was then resurrected later by Sivir. Interrupting the ritual is hazardous, and seems ment to be done under certain specifications or else it will have catastrophic consequences. ALL in all though I think Riot is gonna really do a number on Kayle and Morg's lore. We'll see next year though.
> [{quoted}](name=MrNhbdy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0Lou6V8A,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T01:38:09.358+0000) > > Thanks for the lore update a bit. > > Where does it say that Kayle and Morgana ARE native Demacians? I mean yes the Universe shows them being connected to demacia but till the lore update for them there is nothing saying they were BORN in Demacia. So ruling out Targon is like saying Taric has nothing to do with Targon because his location is Demacia. The map doesn't show where they are born, just where they are most related. So Taric is not labeled as a Demacian champion, he is labeled as a Targonian. I find it hard to believe two Aspects would be closer related to Demacia, then to Targon. > wielding a darkin weapon? Darkin by association? OK this doesn't seem like a stretch for you? Seriously? Not really, Kayn is a Darkin by associations. He is the second in command of the shadow assassins, and his lore mostly involves him being a child soldier of Noxus who was sent into Ionia to die, but killed everyone he came across, until he ran into Zed. Now Kayn wants to take over Ionia, burn Noxus to the ground, and eventually usurp Zed as the master of shadows. He just so happens to be wielding the Darkin that was sealed beneath Noxus after he heard from one of Zed's spies that the Noxians finally unearthed it. At this point, you could make just about any champion wield the Darkin Scales and come up with more reason for them to be wielding it than why Kayn wields Rhaast. > In the case of Aatrox , who is thought to be the head of the darkin. He was only able to corrupt a single host and that was when he was being wielded by someone. Actually Aatrox has been wielded by hundreds of people. He has just been able to break them down into a single body. > Early next year still feels too soon for more Darkin lore, maybe that's just me though. Well, Zoe, Kayn, and Aatrox's rework all took place over a single year. Riot seems to be dead set on wrapping up this major lore event asap. Probably by season 10, so Riot can add more character to the map, once the Darkin are done destroying it. Like when Wow updated their map after Deathwing destroyed it. Most likely because Riot doesn't know why the two factions, that aren't really relevant to the lore, built this battlefield. > If they went through the ascension ritual shouldn't they be less human looking, unless something happened during it I mean. In the case of Azir his ascension was interrupted and he was blasted out of a protective circle and DIED. The city was then destroyed because Xerath took his place and it wasn't ment for him. Azir was then resurrected later by Sivir. Interrupting the ritual is hazardous, and seems ment to be done under certain specifications or else it will have catastrophic consequences. Yeah, which is why I say their wings are from the corruption of a Darkin, like how half of Kayn is all demon looking, but Kayle and Morgana's Darkin have wings. Although Kayle's corruption is the Ascended power from the Darkin, and Morgana's corruption is the blood magic, or void, part of the Darkin. We still don't quite know why the Darkin look the way they do.
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