: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1pygE68r,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-10T10:48:23.212+0000) > > It's an expectation to update free speech so that we don't lose it entirely from current technologies. If close to 100% of communication is done over private platforms we don't really have freedom of speech anymore. > > I agree that it would most likely be impossible. We are off the deep end with corporate influence on government and our laws will not update fast enough to protect us from the dangers technological acceleration will bring. Even if our freedom of speech can't survive this change it doesn't mean that it isn't a worthy ideal, it might be the most important one at all. If it does go away I'm certain we'll wind up in dark times without it. What do we lose? You are arguing for an expansion of free speech rights, not a preservation of them. If we maintain the status quo we are still free to speak as we want to people on the street, over the phone, via letters, via emails, etc. Social media has only augmented this, and thus if the operator places restrictions on it, as they always have, we can use any of our fallback methods to share our message. Furthermore, we still have the option of running our own website, which is what many fringe groups do already. On the contrary, taking away the ability of social media companies to regulate their content will have a significant negative effect. People don't care about truth at all, volume is the most important thing. Social media has proven to be a very effective amplifier of fringe beliefs that have no basis in reality, and can cause actual harm. Because social media platforms are designed to function as an echo chamber, it is impossible to have normal discourse about these fringe beliefs as everyone around you is also likely to be predisposed to accept them. These echo chambers then provide support for someone when challenged about their fringe beliefs, leading to people irrationally hanging on to falsehoods. Side note: I'm a little surprised this hasn't gotten the axe for politics, and I'd like to remain on the "do not delete" side of the line we've been dancing on, so I've been deliberately avoiding talking about anything directly pertaining to the current political climate. Please do the same.
> [{quoted}](name=notFREEfood,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1pygE68r,comment-id=00070000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-10T16:06:40.167+0000) > > What do we lose? You are arguing for an expansion of free speech rights, not a preservation of them. If we maintain the status quo we are still free to speak as we want to people on the street, over the phone, via letters, via emails, etc. Social media has only augmented this, and thus if the operator places restrictions on it, as they always have, we can use any of our fallback methods to share our message. Furthermore, we still have the option of running our own website, which is what many fringe groups do already. > Of course the preservation of all freedoms require regulation when living under law. As the world changes they might have to be updated. Assuming privately run modern technologies become the total communication platform we will have to choose one of the following: The freedom to censor whatever idea we want or the freedom to speak on whatever idea we want. I personally choose the latter. I don't think falling back to private conversations in person is a viable alternative. Phone and physical mail are both regulated to protect our free speech but will most likely become obsolete against new technologies. I think almost any website or forum is on a significantly smaller scale and purpose compared to Twitter / Facebook / Google. A judge should easily be able to differentiate. On note: Ok let's just stop, it's not like either of us are going to convince the other. Nice chatting, cheer!
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1pygE68r,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-10T04:28:05.018+0000) > > A judge can rule if they think a certain tech platform has become so central to American life that it should be considered a utility. The wording can be semi vague such as "Any communication platform that has become a vital part of a society wide dialogue and is used by a majority of Americans must adhere to x,x,x federal law.". While I agree that companies outside of that scope should be allowed to do whatever they want my own moral compass does question people's desire to cull the ideas of others. > > Coordinatedt trolls, sock puppets, bots and misinformation seem like reasons to not trust tech platforms instead of things citizens need protection from. Where is the precedent and legal foundation for such a ruling? The Federal Constitution does not have an affirmative right to free speech, just that Congress may not pass any laws that place restrictions on it. Some states, such as California do have an affirmative right, which has been ruled to apply to private properties (but not all states with affirmative rights follow this ruling), but such a ruling based on a state constitution could only apply within the state. While it certainly could be used to force local operators to have such a policy, any attempt to apply the law to a forum that reaches far beyond state boundaries would run afoul of the Interstate Commerce Clause. Furthermore, with the Supreme Court's current makeup a ruling creating an affirmative right to free speech in online forums would be unthinkable. The current court is very corporate-friendly, and such a ruling would create a tremendous burden for any company wishing to allow for online discussions. In my opinion, it would effectively lead to the death of any sort of internet discussion board, because such a ruling would effectively apply to any US-centric forum, including this one.
> [{quoted}](name=notFREEfood,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1pygE68r,comment-id=000700000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-10T06:53:19.566+0000) > > Where is the precedent and legal foundation for such a ruling? The Federal Constitution does not have an affirmative right to free speech, just that Congress may not pass any laws that place restrictions on it. Some states, such as California do have an affirmative right, which has been ruled to apply to private properties (but not all states with affirmative rights follow this ruling), but such a ruling based on a state constitution could only apply within the state. While it certainly could be used to force local operators to have such a policy, any attempt to apply the law to a forum that reaches far beyond state boundaries would run afoul of the Interstate Commerce Clause. > > Furthermore, with the Supreme Court's current makeup a ruling creating an affirmative right to free speech in online forums would be unthinkable. The current court is very corporate-friendly, and such a ruling would create a tremendous burden for any company wishing to allow for online discussions. In my opinion, it would effectively lead to the death of any sort of internet discussion board, because such a ruling would effectively apply to any US-centric forum, including this one. It's an expectation to update free speech so that we don't lose it entirely from current technologies. If close to 100% of communication is done over private platforms we don't really have freedom of speech anymore. I agree that it would most likely be impossible. We are off the deep end with corporate influence on government and our laws will not update fast enough to protect us from the dangers technological acceleration will bring. Even if our freedom of speech can't survive this change it doesn't mean that it isn't a worthy ideal, it might be the most important one at all. If it does go away I'm certain we'll wind up in dark times without it.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1pygE68r,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-12-10T03:35:54.059+0000) > > In terms of private businesses they can do whatever they want however I do believe we need legislature in America that if a tech company is functioning as a utility for a majority of Americans (such as google,youtube,facebook) that is has to abide by free speech law as if it was a federal entity. Restricting speech on your platform is speech itself, which means that any law forcing companies to allow everything is unconstitutional. But let's say that you get a constitutional amendment passed to counteract that. How do these companies then deal with coordinated trolls, sockpuppets and bots pushing a misinformation campaign? How do you decide when a company deserves to have its editorial discretion revoked?
> [{quoted}](name=notFREEfood,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1pygE68r,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-10T04:13:13.836+0000) > > Restricting speech on your platform is speech itself, which means that any law forcing companies to allow everything is unconstitutional. But let's say that you get a constitutional amendment passed to counteract that. How do these companies then deal with coordinated trolls, sockpuppets and bots pushing a misinformation campaign? How do you decide when a company deserves to have its editorial discretion revoked? A judge can rule if they think a certain tech platform has become so central to American life that it should be considered a utility. The wording can be semi vague such as "Any communication platform that has become a vital part of a society wide dialogue and is used by a majority of Americans must adhere to x,x,x federal law.". While I agree that companies outside of that scope should be allowed to do whatever they want my own moral compass does question people's desire to cull the ideas of others. Coordinatedt trolls, sock puppets, bots and misinformation seem like reasons to not trust tech platforms instead of things citizens need protection from.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1pygE68r,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-12-09T23:44:34.559+0000) > > Free speech should be practiced everywhere and in all situations, it's an enlightened achievement of humanity that we can be proud of. The only exception is certain topics around minors, and since LoL is a teen rated game this could apply. Anyone that thinks they can rationalize a reason why free speech is bad, while possibly having good intentions, is set on a path that will eventually lead to horrors and oppression with enough momentum. Humoring this; why should it be practiced everywhere, in all situations? Why should a private company have to host your ideas? Why should a private business have to humor a neo-nazi? Why should a restaurant have to keep the 'customer' shitting on the tables and flinging the excess at other customers?
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1pygE68r,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-12-10T02:51:48.954+0000) > > Humoring this; why should it be practiced everywhere, in all situations? Why should a private company have to host your ideas? Why should a private business have to humor a neo-nazi? Why should a restaurant have to keep the 'customer' shitting on the tables and flinging the excess at other customers? My thoughts since you asked, and thank you: Your example is a go to symbol of hatred but what if you replace that with one of the positive movements in America in the last 100 years? There were times when many positive beliefs we have today were not socially tolerated. It's dangerous to bet on the future where instead of silencing neo-nazis, the same caveats wouldn't be used to silence intrinsically good and positive things. Shitting on tables and throwing poo at people isn't free speech however and should be regulated. In terms of private businesses they can do whatever they want however I do believe we need legislature in America that if a tech company is functioning as a utility for a majority of Americans (such as google,youtube,facebook) that is has to abide by free speech law as if it was a federal entity. I use the word should because I believe practicing and tolerating free speech honors all the positive achievements in human rights that we as a species have accomplished.
Speeedy (NA)
: Should Free Speech be allowed in video games? (school project)
Free speech should be practiced everywhere and in all situations, it's an enlightened achievement of humanity that we can be proud of. The only exception is certain topics around minors, and since LoL is a teen rated game this could apply. Anyone that thinks they can rationalize a reason why free speech is bad, while possibly having good intentions, is set on a path that will eventually lead to horrors and oppression with enough momentum.
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M5AoKe45,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T03:29:50.996+0000) > > I think those stats you mentioned are only in challenger tier, everything else is much lower. Not that it matters for the discussion. That is what matters the most though. Every other tier is lowelo, and barely understands the game. Does not make sense to balance the game around people who doesnt care about the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Ahris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M5AoKe45,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T15:17:58.722+0000) > > That is what matters the most though. Every other tier is lowelo, and barely understands the game. Does not make sense to balance the game around people who doesnt care about the game. That's not my point at all, please try reading.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T03:35:31.504+0000) > > I agree that would be ideal but I don't think it's a possibility. I understand that, I however am hopeful since I have played numerous online games and many have report systems where people don't fear it since it protects the players rather than being too strict that it isolates or angers the player base while also not being so lose that no actions are taken.
> [{quoted}](name=Rebellious Rakan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T03:37:26.030+0000) > > I understand that, I however am hopeful since I have played numerous online games and many have report systems where people don't fear it since it protects the players rather than being too strict that it isolates or angers the player base while also not being so lose that no actions are taken. I'd say just about every other game does it better, I've played a majority of popular online games for most of my life and have never had a restriction or ban in any of them except LoL. I'm not sure the reasoning and how they got to be so strict on this. I do hear in NA they police much harder than in other regions but I can't verify this. As a disclaimer by "Does it better" I mean that they aren't incredibly strict to the point that talking at all makes me worry about the future of my account.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-05T02:55:54.007+0000) > > I think it's best to just remove your chat box from the game and not communicate, the tolerances of what is allowed is so slim that typing can really risk your in game rewards, keys and potentially your account. Obviously some very positive personality types don't have to worry about this and I'm generally speaking. I have to point out a importance disagreement with the first sentence you have simply because when a decent number of the playerbase decides to remove a communication feature because of the way the report system is treated in a game where communication is key shows that there are issues that need to be dealt with, and I for one would much rather bring this to attention and see the game fixed and improved than see people putting themselves as a disadvantage because of a poor system in place by the company.
> [{quoted}](name=Rebellious Rakan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T03:29:04.127+0000) > > I have to point out a importance disagreement with the first sentence you have simply because when a decent number of the playerbase decides to remove a communication feature because of the way the report system is treated in a game where communication is key shows that there are issues that need to be dealt with, and I for one would much rather bring this to attention and see the game fixed and improved than see people putting themselves as a disadvantage because of a poor system in place by the company. I agree that would be ideal but I don't think it's a possibility. I just wanted to get my trashy atrox skin and keys so i'm doing whatever it takes.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M5AoKe45,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-04T23:33:27.355+0000) > > I think she's already well in the hole with Kalista, Sylas Akali is 70% presence with 52% win rate in Master tier. She is just broken if you can play her well. She isn't a nerfed cause good in Pro champ. Not like these nerfs mean literally anything anyways she is still just busted with the new conq
> [{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M5AoKe45,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T02:55:05.136+0000) > > Akali is 70% presence with 52% win rate in Master tier. She is just broken if you can play her well. She isn't a nerfed cause good in Pro champ. > > Not like these nerfs mean literally anything anyways she is still just busted with the new conq I think those stats you mentioned are only in challenger tier, everything else is much lower. Not that it matters for the discussion.
: Oh boy. > [{quoted}](name=Rebellious Rakan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-05T02:48:33.026+0000) > > As with many games, league has a system in place in order to prevent negative behaviour to make the game a more welcoming and fun place for all of the players. To meet this end the game has a report system that given it's appearance from the reporting menu seems like it would be quite beneficial Correct > [{quoted}](name=Rebellious Rakan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-05T02:48:33.026+0000) > > if so correct me, League operates only on a repeat offense system and does not take into account severity of the actions done. I feel that multiple reports in a game should have some sort of effect should the actions done be deemed as worth being punished. Nope severity is taken in account. Also you said why it works the way it does. > [{quoted}](name=Rebellious Rakan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-05T02:48:33.026+0000) > > The second thing I would like to bring up is context of reports. It is my understanding that the support team when looking into a report looks only at the actions of the person being reported, and not at any other individuals when making a decision. They sometimes consider other players, but usually dont care. Because at the end of the day, it's about what you did. > [{quoted}](name=Rebellious Rakan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-05T02:48:33.026+0000) > > The report with the most gray area I feel is the "Negative Attitude" category You dont get punished for being negative here and there, you get punished for being nonstop negative all the time, or being severely negative. It's about the amount you are and/or severity. Saying "damn we lost, ah well" a single time is negative, but isnt going to warrant a punishment. > [{quoted}](name=Rebellious Rakan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-05T02:48:33.026+0000) > > > In such cases with chat restrictions, since I don't have any experience with bans, I find that the double ban of a chat restriction and complete removal and locking of honor is something that is not a reasonable punishment. Your honor gets locked if you've been a naughty boy/girl in League. Honor is a privilege, not a right.
> [{quoted}](name=Its Yuu and Mi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FIbrcLKi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-05T03:02:32.854+0000) > You dont get punished for being negative here and there, you get punished for being nonstop negative all the time, or being severely negative. It's about the amount you are and/or severity. Saying "damn we lost, ah well" a single time is negative, but isnt going to warrant a punishment. > As a heads up I'm not the OP here but what you said isn't true. I got a restriction for typing "FF", no other warnings prior or anything else in the report. This isn't severely negative or all the time negative. You can get punished for just typing that in one game.
: Looking into Chat Restrictions, Does the "Punishment" fit the "Crime"
I think it's best to just remove your chat box from the game and not communicate, the tolerances of what is allowed is so slim that typing can really risk your in game rewards, keys and potentially your account. Obviously some very positive personality types don't have to worry about this and I'm generally speaking. I think the context of what other people are saying to you shouldn't matter in a report but the rules should be lightened up so you can have an argument without risk of ban. I think you should be able to say anything that isn't racist,sexist,homophobic, basically only punish things that you'd get in trouble in work for saying or that would be frowned on in a normal social setting. I think heavy bullying of a player should also be reportable, ie. if someone commits many lines of chat just talking about how bad someone is and berating team mates etc. Beyond that I don't agree with any of Riot's chat policing. I agree that asking your team to surrender resulting in losing months of honor, a chat restriction, and a condescending note from Riot is extreme. I don't think that performance should be reportable, unless they are literally standing and dying to the enemy or running into towers without fighting at all. I believe most people that want to report others for performance are the toxic ones holding the team back.
: Akali nerf
I think she's already well in the hole with Kalista, Sylas and others of being nerfed for pro play far beyond what normal players can do with her. So all nerfs at this point will just make her unplayable by normal league players outside of one tricks. Not that it's a huge nerf but i think Akali is either decent but cautiously balanced at this point or is starting to be just gutted out entirely. Sometimes i don't understand why they gut to the extent they do. I think Kalista for pros now is around 10th in line for ADC so she's been nerfed well beyond pros even using her outside of very niche games. Akali had decent presence but wasn't pick/ban at last worlds.
: I would love to see project Lux.
> [{quoted}](name=TheOtherWoman,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IEYuJ4Og,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-12-04T05:15:28.055+0000) > > I would love to see project Lux. Yea I like that, that's what I want too.
: We need a new Lux Skin!
What lux skin would you like to see?
iiGazeii (NA)
: {{champion:202}} + {{champion:99}} lane. Lux gets them low, Jhin finishes them off with that last shot. They completely outrange you, and getting rooted or slowed by Lux lets Jhin follow up with his own root to keep you in place for an eternity while they hammer you with damage.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aU9FPAqQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-04T00:02:00.114+0000) > > {{champion:202}} + {{champion:99}} lane. > > Lux gets them low, Jhin finishes them off with that last shot. They completely outrange you, and getting rooted or slowed by Lux lets Jhin follow up with his own root to keep you in place for an eternity while they hammer you with damage. This is also the worst laning experience I've ever had so I second this and props for mentioning it. Will vouch for the exact reason you mentioned: : Lux E > Jhin Line > Lux Q > Jhin damage. I believe Lux E doesn't even need to detonate (just apply it's slow) to trigger the line root so you're basically dead if you even touch the circle of a Lux E. It's good after laning phase also.
Speeedy (NA)
: my last lvl up i got annie champion shard, garen champion shard and like 90 BE. I still need 83600 (16x4800+6300) BE to get the remaining champs and not to mention the new champ which will be 7400 additional I think. I have no shards to disenchant either since I do it to get the BE so I can get the champs.
> [{quoted}](name=Speeedy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=re8oBxnK,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-27T17:02:01.272+0000) > > my last lvl up i got annie champion shard, garen champion shard and like 90 BE. I still need 83600 (16x4800+6300) BE to get the remaining champs and not to mention the new champ which will be 7400 additional I think. I have no shards to disenchant either since I do it to get the BE so I can get the champs. Yea it is weighted like that. I get about x10-15 more Garen Annie (etc.) compared to others.
Speeedy (NA)
: Free Champs gained too slow of a rate (math included)
They did some change to it when they introduced crafting and now it feels like it takes so much longer. I think most likely if you are disenchanting all your champions from loot boxes etc. that you might be gaining them at a more normal rate but also mastery cuts into the BE. Prior to the change I'd get a new champion about once a month playing a lot, now I pretty much never purchase new champions even over the course of a year because just a couple of purchases seem to clear a years worth of BE. No idea about the math behind it but it felt great before crafting and for a long time now has felt very stingy. Before I could also afford rune pages and runes and new champions. The loot boxes rewards are weighted towards cheap champions which results in huge stacks of 80 BE champions which don't amount to much so I'm not sure it actually equalizes at all.
: Permabanned for being "Negative" and "Distracting" in game chat.
It might not sound reasonable but the most tame line you said in there by itself: Mr Longneck: gg Is enough to get you chat restricted for giving up, all by itself. The tolerances of what is allowed is so sensitive that the rest of what you said, even though it's not actually that big a deal, are far over the line in terms of what is allowed. Honestly though venting in chat, insulting people, LOL chat itself etc. does nothing, I"d just remove your chat box entirely if you care about not getting banned / honor rewards.
: Is it even possible to get out of Silver?
I managed to make it to gold on Lux Support. I think she's good if you feel stuck because she can stack mejai while never being at risk of dying and from that safety can wipe most enemy teams by herself. I think if you're going to do that though you need to Mejai every single game and expect to get 25, if you die and lose your stacks after the purchase even once then blame yourself for the loss. Just play Lux perfectly, no deaths, get assists with baton/aoe to stack 25 early and carry the game. I think it's reasonable enough on Lux to play in a way that you are contributing damage but also never at risk of dying. I do this build and buy the mejai even at 0 dark seal stacks so it stacks faster. The shield becomes huge from the mejai so while stacking assists the team also feels more powerful. 1. Support Item 2. Dark Seal 3. Either side of Luden's Echo prereq. (Book thing if i have enough or just staff if i only have 850) This is around level 6 to have kill pressure from 1 Q landing. 4. Mejai 5. Mobi Boots 6. Finish Luden 7. Deathcap 8. Banshee veil or Zhonya I'd say JG wards around where you can get snipes is very good for lux, to land Qs that people can't dodge and with 25 mej, one Q is GG. You don't need to communicate or anything with 25 mejai just dumpster the enemy team. I've always felt like there's some shady stuff about the matchmaking, like I get forced into chains of hard wins and hard loses at certain thresholds but regardless a 25 Lux can turn around the hard losses a lot of the time.
STEG0 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-15T06:49:22.251+0000) > > You don't get a chat restriction for asking your support not to take CS. You get a chat restriction by getting into a long argument with them about it, insulting them, insinuating that the game is a loss because of them, asking people to report them, and so on. The excuses about "certain personalities" who "aren't toxic" and are only saying things that are "completely acceptable" are, frankly, bull. You didn't behave yourself in chat, so you got chat restrictions. You feel that you can't change that behavior, so you no longer use chat, which is an acceptable compromise. But don't delude yourself or anyone else into thinking that perfectly wonderful people saying perfectly innocent things in chat will end up punished, because it's just not true. I didn't insult anyone and I never have in a game of LoL, I don't report threaten and I don't blame losses on people, you made that all up. I was civil and simply explaining my situation that I need cs to scale over the course of about 20 exchanges. I'm going to let this convo stop though, it has drifted from the OP and we're just back and forth arguing. Thank you though for chatting about it.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-15T07:35:54.889+0000) > > Going back and forth like that with someone who says things like "you're useless" is nothing more than an argument that distracts the whole team. That is not positive and respectful. I realize you think it is, but I'm informing you just like Riot did that it isn't. You were punished for breaking the rules, whether you see it or not. Telling people they can be banned for saying nothing, or saying too much, or breaking no rules is not helpful. > > However, it bears repeating that I commend your decision to stop using the chat feature. Some players who believe they've been punished for nothing will continue their poor behavior until they're permabanned, but you recognized what you had to do to avoid breaking the rules again. Thank you and I appreciate the conversation. Cheers!
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-15T05:10:32.008+0000) > > That's my point, if I can't even ask my support to not take cs then why have a chat box at all. When the same thing happens now I just back off tower and farm jungle or go to a different lane. I get report threats for doing that but I can't read them or interact with them and everything is a whole lot better. I just see the mass of toxicity that has accumulated on the post game chat and am glad I didn't have to experience it. I agree with everything you're saying though except I feel certain personalities even if they aren't toxic can get caught for things that are completely acceptable chat behavior in any social or professional setting, and especially in a competitive setting. Anyways thanks for the feedback on this I think we covered both sides of it. You don't get a chat restriction for asking your support not to take CS. You get a chat restriction by getting into a long argument with them about it, insulting them, insinuating that the game is a loss because of them, asking people to report them, and so on. The excuses about "certain personalities" who "aren't toxic" and are only saying things that are "completely acceptable" are, frankly, bull. You didn't behave yourself in chat, so you got chat restrictions. You feel that you can't change that behavior, so you no longer use chat, which is an acceptable compromise. But don't delude yourself or anyone else into thinking that perfectly wonderful people saying perfectly innocent things in chat will end up punished, because it's just not true.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-15T06:49:22.251+0000) > > You don't get a chat restriction for asking your support not to take CS. You get a chat restriction by getting into a long argument with them about it, insulting them, insinuating that the game is a loss because of them, asking people to report them, and so on. The excuses about "certain personalities" who "aren't toxic" and are only saying things that are "completely acceptable" are, frankly, bull. You didn't behave yourself in chat, so you got chat restrictions. You feel that you can't change that behavior, so you no longer use chat, which is an acceptable compromise. But don't delude yourself or anyone else into thinking that perfectly wonderful people saying perfectly innocent things in chat will end up punished, because it's just not true. I didn't insult anyone and I never have in a game of LoL, I don't report threaten and I don't blame losses on people, you made that all up. I was civil and simply explaining my situation that I need cs to scale over the course of about 20 exchanges. I'm going to let this convo stop though, it has drifted from the OP and we're just back and forth arguing. Thank you though for chatting about it.
: Hahaha No S?
> [{quoted}](name=NotFakerZed,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=96ET4qhK,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-15T05:11:46.742+0000) > > 23/2/11 169 on lucian Mid no S hah Your vision score is low and no control wards, just buy a control ward and stick it in a bush near your base on first back so it never gets cleared and get a sweeper and scan the enemy jungle a lot with it. Do that and that game is an easy S+.
: Honor level 4 chat restrictions?
That really sucks and terrible timing. Unfortunately only positive or neutral comments that don't sound argumentative are allowed to be typed in LoL chat. This most likely sounds shocking due to all the insults and racial slurs that occur in 50% of games but If I were you I'd just remove your chat box entirely because it's not worth risking it.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-15T00:56:34.402+0000) > > That's far worse then I have ever acted in LoL. I've had 2 chat restrictions, the first was arguing with a support who was taking my cs, we went back and forth a bit on it but I was totally civil, I got restricted there for simply typing to much during a game. The second was for typing "FF". I don't insult people in game including if they are not playing / performing or doing what I want. > > My assessment of what is trivial is just as valid as anyone else, however i came to the conclusion personally that this is intrinsically sensitive policing of chat. Again though my restrictions aren't the point of this thread, I'm just explaining my strat how I don't get banned anymore to answer the OP's question. Over 1000s of games those two infractions could easily happen again. You're mistaken: it's not possible to get a punishment simply for typing too much. You can get a punishment for _arguing_ too much, which is what you were doing. There's also spamming, like typing each letter on a new line, or saying the same thing over and over again. But if you spend the whole match constantly saying constructive and friendly/neutral things about the game without annoying your teammates, that won't result in a punishment. Your assessment of what is trivial is just as valid _to you_ as others' are to them, but the difference is that yours doesn't align with Riot's rules. You are certainly welcome to think that those rules are overly sensitive, but they are the rules, and ceasing your chat activity entirely when it became clear that you couldn't tell the difference between "trivial" chat and inappropriate chat (again, according to those rules) was indeed the wisest course of action in terms of maintaining access to your account, so kudos for that. That does answer OP's question about how to not get banned, but the context you provide - bad rules resulting in undeserved punishments - is misleading, as most players don't have that experience.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-15T03:37:15.178+0000) > > You're mistaken: it's not possible to get a punishment simply for typing too much. You can get a punishment for _arguing_ too much, which is what you were doing. There's also spamming, like typing each letter on a new line, or saying the same thing over and over again. But if you spend the whole match constantly saying constructive and friendly/neutral things about the game without annoying your teammates, that won't result in a punishment. > > Your assessment of what is trivial is just as valid _to you_ as others' are to them, but the difference is that yours doesn't align with Riot's rules. You are certainly welcome to think that those rules are overly sensitive, but they are the rules, and ceasing your chat activity entirely when it became clear that you couldn't tell the difference between "trivial" chat and inappropriate chat (again, according to those rules) was indeed the wisest course of action in terms of maintaining access to your account, so kudos for that. That does answer OP's question about how to not get banned, but the context you provide - bad rules resulting in undeserved punishments - is misleading, as most players don't have that experience. That's my point, if I can't even ask my support to not take cs then why have a chat box at all. When the same thing happens now I just back off tower and farm jungle or go to a different lane. I get report threats for doing that but I can't read them or interact with them and everything is a whole lot better. I just see the mass of toxicity that has accumulated on the post game chat and am glad I didn't have to experience it. I agree with everything you're saying though except I feel certain personalities even if they aren't toxic can get caught for things that are completely acceptable chat behavior in any social or professional setting, and especially in a competitive setting. Anyways thanks for the feedback on this I think we covered both sides of it.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T23:22:15.421+0000) > > This isn't my thread where I'm trying to get unbanned or anything. My honor level is max. I'm just replying to the initial OP's question saying that my account is old and it absolutely would be banned from typing something trivial that sounds "negative" at some point from the 1000s of games I've played if I didn't remove the chat box and that's how I kept my cool for so long now. See, the thing is, "something trivial" is your assessment of it, but that's not necessarily the conclusion someone else would come to were they to review your logs. [Here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/f088MIeO-there-is-no-way-i-got-chat-restricted-for-calling-someone-a-dog-only-from-1-game) is a recent example of this.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T23:29:07.854+0000) > > See, the thing is, "something trivial" is your assessment of it, but that's not necessarily the conclusion someone else would come to were they to review your logs. [Here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/f088MIeO-there-is-no-way-i-got-chat-restricted-for-calling-someone-a-dog-only-from-1-game) is a recent example of this. That's far worse then I have ever acted in LoL. I've had 2 chat restrictions, the first was arguing with a support who was taking my cs, we went back and forth a bit on it but I was totally civil, I got restricted there for simply typing to much during a game. The second was for typing "FF". I don't insult people in game including if they are not playing / performing or doing what I want. My assessment of what is trivial is just as valid as anyone else, however i came to the conclusion personally that this is intrinsically sensitive policing of chat. Again though my restrictions aren't the point of this thread, I'm just explaining my strat how I don't get banned anymore to answer the OP's question. Over 1000s of games those two infractions could easily happen again.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T12:14:32.856+0000) > > I typed "FF" in chat, you think that quantifies as nearly impossible? I seen far worse in about half or more of all the games I've played total. And yes I did, i stopped participating in their chat, stopped having respect for Riot and am vocal about how I feel about them now. Every time someone makes a PB thread complaining about "all I said was XYZ," it turns out that they also said a bunch of other stuff that they simply didn't think was negative but it actually was. Did you save your chat log from the reform card?
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T20:08:17.164+0000) > > Every time someone makes a PB thread complaining about "all I said was XYZ," it turns out that they also said a bunch of other stuff that they simply didn't think was negative but it actually was. Did you save your chat log from the reform card? This isn't my thread where I'm trying to get unbanned or anything. My honor level is max. I'm just replying to the initial OP's question saying that my account is old and it absolutely would be banned from typing something trivial that sounds "negative" at some point from the 1000s of games I've played if I didn't remove the chat box and that's how I kept my cool for so long now.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T10:57:19.802+0000) > > You can think it is whatever you want but it's an incredibly low tolerance to consider just "FF" chat restriction worthy. and if that's punishable pretty much the sky is the limit. Your post wasn't supportive of me and what I feel, should that also be some kind of negative attitude since you were dismissive of my idea. A chat system that tight isn't really worth using, and as an American I find chat monitoring being that strict fundamentally offensive and as a result i issued riot my own punishment to Riot. It's been a win / win for me to remove the chat box and use discord or whatever with friends only. It's nearly impossible to get punished in this game. I see people inting, raging, slinging hate speech around, and they merrily keep playing. It takes work to get so much as a chat restriction. As an American, you should support Riot's right to control their own platform. Your abandonment of the chat feature isn't a punishment to Riot; it's a concession. They wanted you to stop filling the chat with negativity, and you did. So... good job on that, I guess.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T11:22:51.571+0000) > > I typed "FF" in chat, you think that quantifies as nearly impossible? I seen far worse in about half or more of all the games I've played total. And yes I did, i stopped participating in their chat, stopped having respect for Riot and am vocal about how I feel about them now.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-14T08:16:30.531+0000) > > Yea I still got my original account but I take extreme measures. I got a chat restriction for typing "FF" so I decided to just remove my chat box entirely. It made the game a lot more enjoyable and I don't have to worry about getting randomly punished. That's not a random punishment. Announcing in chat that you think the game is lost and you want to quit is the definition of "giving up," under the category of "negative attitude." https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kOCm0ePNXQg/maxresdefault.jpg (First image I found that shows the reporting interface; sorry.)
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=toTxzwN5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T08:34:02.772+0000) > > That's not a random punishment. Announcing in chat that you think the game is lost and you want to quit is the definition of "giving up," under the category of "negative attitude." > > https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kOCm0ePNXQg/maxresdefault.jpg > > (First image I found that shows the reporting interface; sorry.) You can think it is whatever you want but it's an incredibly low tolerance to consider just "FF" chat restriction worthy. and if that's punishable pretty much the sky is the limit. Your post wasn't supportive of me and what I feel, should that also be some kind of negative attitude since you were dismissive of my idea. A chat system that tight isn't really worth using, and as an American I find chat monitoring being that strict fundamentally offensive and as a result i issued riot my own punishment to Riot. It's been a win / win for me to remove the chat box and use discord or whatever with friends only.
I Rªkan (NA)
: Can we have a honest discussion about being banned?
Yea I still got my original account but I take extreme measures. I got a chat restriction for typing "FF" so I decided to just remove my chat box entirely. It made the game a lot more enjoyable and I don't have to worry about getting randomly punished.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LMycUtbt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-13T21:22:10.591+0000) > > It's everything about it. A single novice could rebuild it all to look the same and function better using something mundane like javascript in a week or two. The biggest time sink on it would be the art assets, like the banners or crafting animations but those are already done. Lol, "mundane like javascript" -- what? JS is more "mundane" than any other scripting language? Also, the launcher is very likely just a wrapper for HTML, CSS, and JS. Just a heads up ;) Based on that, I'm pretty confident I can throw your time estimate completely out, and chalk it up to not knowing what you're talking about. To point out OP's point, you've just listed things only relating to the launcher, while saying "it's everything about it". He mentioned the game client and the launcher, and your response is "everything about _it_"? Okay, so you dislike the launcher based on your response, that really doesn't address anything here at all. Launcher != game client, that's the point of this post. From the loading screen on, you're dealing with the game client. Everything pre-loading-screen is the launcher.
> [{quoted}](name=Phreaktastic,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LMycUtbt,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-14T01:15:00.476+0000) > > Lol, "mundane like javascript" -- what? JS is more "mundane" than any other scripting language? Also, the launcher is very likely just a wrapper for HTML, CSS, and JS. Just a heads up ;) Based on that, I'm pretty confident I can throw your time estimate completely out, and chalk it up to not knowing what you're talking about. > > To point out OP's point, you've just listed things only relating to the launcher, while saying "it's everything about it". He mentioned the game client and the launcher, and your response is "everything about _it_"? Okay, so you dislike the launcher based on your response, that really doesn't address anything here at all. > > Launcher != game client, that's the point of this post. From the loading screen on, you're dealing with the game client. Everything pre-loading-screen is the launcher. As a scripting language it's very accessible, doesn't require pointers or memory management, and since it's used in web design it's very common. While the foundation of programming is similar in every language a programming language takes far more time especially when dealing with GUI's. Html/css/js can pull that off in a client sense and using something like electron it could be assembled easily in the time line I mentioned with just 1 person. I don't think the hand off from the client to the launcher should be that huge of a deal to make work, it's just turning on the program and connecting to a server. I don't mean to say that it's some trivial task but it's within reason to accomplish.
ßlameMyADC (EUNE)
: People need to pay more attention to the differences
It's everything about it. A single novice could rebuild it all to look the same and function better using something mundane like javascript in a week or two. The biggest time sink on it would be the art assets, like the banners or crafting animations but those are already done.
Kythers (NA)
: guys what if we took Lux's ultimate
I'm a 650K Lux support OTP and play her AP. Senna feels pretty much the same and the reflexes translate over even between the two. I think Lux overall is stronger and more controlled because of her frequent burst, range, access to mejai, and having 2 CCs. Lux support is basically considered a border line troll pick at the moment so it's not like being a sub par Lux support is something amazing. I think if the game goes to 50+ minutes and her passive starts getting into life steal % she does start out classing Lux.
sxxy (EUNE)
: Petition to Riot about event Prestige skins
It actually might be a legal matter that would make this not possible if the wording of the event promised the prestige skins would be only available during the event. it would be false advertisement to then sell it again. That being said there was a Riven skin that had this issue but they worked around this by adding 2016 onto the name of the skin, same look different name.
Mordius (NA)
: Honestly, for a game about fighting, there isn't really a good reason for a male character to not be wearing a shirt. There shouldn't be any nipples showing really
> [{quoted}](name=Mordius,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6xVWR9Tt,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-11-11T12:39:08.565+0000) > > Honestly, for a game about fighting, there isn't really a good reason for a male character to not be wearing a shirt. > > There shouldn't be any nipples showing really I think in most martial arts wearing a shirt is a huge disadvantage because it generally becomes a weapon against you. One form, I think Brazillian Jujitsu, has a discipline devoted just to owning people wearing a shirt by using their shirt against them.
Dwyn (EUW)
: Vote of No Confidence in champion select
People leave champ select to accomplish this exact same thing and I believe it is a -3LP for doding in champ select the first time per day.
Mudkiip (NA)
: Senna Ult
The damage from it is about a quarter or less of Lux's ult. it also has a longer delay before casting and Lux's ult becomes around a 20 second cooldown I believe.
: Regarding the Prestige Qiyana skin
Prestige Qiyana should have been mentioned on this web page and wasn't at all: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/esports/esports-event/learn-more-worlds-2019-event It was only mentioned in 3 places: 1. A DevBlog where they discuss their development decisions and directions and post thoughts on esports teams. 2. 1 Riot employees twitter. 3. In the client if you click the Pass link from RP shop, literally at the very bottom in small text with no pictures. This was added in an update a few weeks ago. If you purchase the pass from the mission tab you'd never see this though. There was a post with links saying she's an upcoming PE skin but it didn't say when it would be available. It would have been rational to assume there'd be a Pass event mid Novemeber - mid December handling True Damage. A logical person analyzing past Pass/PE events would assume we'd get 3 passes to conclude 2019. Worlds (to mid Nov) , True Damage (to mid Dec) and then Snowdown (To mid Jan).
: It's not a marketing move, it's literally you not reading
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Hhql6iLU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-11T09:05:31.337+0000) > > It's not a marketing move, it's literally you not reading Why not just put it here where it should logically be. https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/esports/esports-event/learn-more-worlds-2019-event
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qu74Zztd,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T17:51:21.220+0000) > > Those things aren't reliable to be read, like to take this to an extreme example you can't anticipate all the players to check all social media and blog posts to find information that they aren't even aware exists. You play the game? https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qu74Zztd,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-11T09:03:57.772+0000) > > You play the game? > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png > > https://i.imgur.com/khCnEg7.png That screen isn't shown if you purchase the pass from the mission tab. In fact it takes a lot of navigation to find that page as opposed to the first page of the shop or the mission tab. It's also small text at the very bottom of a scroll box. That information should have also obviously been put here: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/esports/esports-event/learn-more-worlds-2019-event
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-11T03:51:17.662+0000) > > Honestly no, it was on ONE view of the RP purchase description at the very bottom in basically small text, however if you bought it from the mission tab you never saw this at all. It was also not on the event summary website when the event came out. It was posted in a DevBlog article and on Twitter which you can tell by the likes it received that almost no one saw it. Unless you spent heavy time of forums or reddit it's very likely a person would never have been aware of it until a few days ago when it showed up in the skin collection. > > I bought the world pass from the mission tab, checked the website to see what the event contained and would have no clue this was happening if I wasn't scanning forums randomly some a week ago. > > True Damage was kept relatively hush and you can't expect people to seek out information they don't even know exists. Why? Aside from the leak https://pm1.narvii.com/7267/795aa65d2ce2b56d422bf7969f01b8269cdb4334r1-966-715v2_hq.jpg then the prestige point post https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/prestige-updates Then the Ask Riot https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/10/ask-riot-worlds-tokens-meta/ did Riot not say it enough?
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-11-11T07:55:25.651+0000) > > Why? Aside from the leak > > https://pm1.narvii.com/7267/795aa65d2ce2b56d422bf7969f01b8269cdb4334r1-966-715v2_hq.jpg > > then the prestige point post > > https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/prestige-updates > > Then the Ask Riot > > https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/10/ask-riot-worlds-tokens-meta/ > > did Riot not say it enough? No it's not enough. A perfect way to communicate it would have been posting about it on this page: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/esports/esports-event/learn-more-worlds-2019-event This page would be the first place that everyone wanting to know about the event would visit to learn more. It's also the original source of information on it so it most likely is the only place people looked to figure out the scope of the event. It does have a lot of text so it would benefit from having a big picture of her splash art or something so people could notice it. The first 2 links you posted only said the Qiyana will get a PE sometime soon not that it will be in this event. Since there's only ever been 1 PE per event the logical conclusion from the leak would be that there would be a True Damage event starting in early Novemeber and that Snowdown would start Mid December and end mid January. The final link is clear but is also obscure and something that could easily be missed. It's basically a blog where they talk about their reasonings for making choices and their process not where 1 of a kind information about event content should be released. Lastly it was also posted in a single tweet from a Riot employee and this is also way to obscure for obvious reasons. Also for maximum clarity they simply could have put an icon in the shop as a placeholder that said "Prestige Qiyana, Coming Soon, 2000Points" and it would be incredibly clear.
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=000100000000000000020000,timestamp=2019-11-11T04:35:22.916+0000) > > And Kai'sa was announced at the start as the prestige for that event, just like Riven was announced this year. Just like every single PE has been announced at the start of the event. It would be the same if they took riven off the pass, and instead announced QIyana as being the PE on the pass but not available yet, then activate her in the store today. Basically Kai'sa's PE was announced clearly in the teaser for the 2018 worlds shop so it was clear she would be there. There's many things different this time and it would be the best guess to think that QIyana would be on Snowdown. Yes but this year they showed us a list of upcoming prestige skins right before Riven released and said that Qiyana was on the Event Tokens. Thus she had to be part of an on-going event because Worlds goes for at least 6 weeks until early November (as the actual Worlds championship has ended as of today). The next event after is Snowndown in which from the previously mentioned prestige list there was also a Lee Sin skin said to be coming for Tokens. So only makes sense that he'd be the candidate for the snowdown pass. And no I own all prestige skins.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=0001000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-11-11T04:42:30.574+0000) > > Yes but this year they showed us a list of upcoming prestige skins right before Riven released and said that Qiyana was on the Event Tokens. Thus she had to be part of an on-going event because Worlds goes for at least 6 weeks until early November (as the actual Worlds championship has ended as of today). The next event after is Snowndown in which from the previously mentioned prestige list there was also a Lee Sin skin said to be coming for Tokens. So only makes sense that he'd be the candidate for the snowdown pass. Yea I know but I think the post just says she's coming not when she's coming. It's this one i'm assuming: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/prestige-updates When I read that post is the first time I found out about Qiyana PE and it got me searching until i did eventually find some random forum post linking an employees twitter. My initial guess when I read it was that most likely on Nov 10 or 11 they would run a True Damage Token shop through mid December then right after that launch snowdown through mid January. I also specilated what would happen is I'd hear about some upcoming event that has the Qiyana PE in it then I'd sign in one day and there'd be a shop mission pop up and I'd figure out from there that Qiyana is in that one. Also for reference this is the page I checked to learn about the event and as far i can tell it doesn't mention Qiyana at all. https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/esports/esports-event/learn-more-worlds-2019-event
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-11T04:07:57.964+0000) > > Why are you so snarky in your comments? You're trying so hard to talk down to me like I don't have basic logic but your information is all wrong. World Last year was Kai'sa alone. KDA came out in Snowdown which was a totally different pass. KDA was revealed in exactly the same way as True Damage and had it's own tokens. > > Here's the link to 2018 Snowden where it talks about KDA Akali Prestige > https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/special-event/nexus-blitz-neeko-snowdown-and-all-star > > Anyone that put two and two together would have assumed it was available on it's own pass that would begin right around now and run through December and the AllStar game just like KDA's Prestige. The absolute logical idea anyone would have had if told about True Damage and PE Qiyana is that it would go down the same way it did last year. > > "GEE" Prestige Akali was in Snowdown, not K/DA nor Prestige Kai'sa. The regular K/DA skins and prestige Kai'sa were released November 3rd during Worlds. They were part of the Worlds pass.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=00010000000000000002,timestamp=2019-11-11T04:27:48.324+0000) > > Prestige Akali was in Snowdown, not K/DA nor Prestige Kai'sa. The regular K/DA skins and prestige Kai'sa were released November 3rd during Worlds. They were part of the Worlds pass. And Kai'sa was announced at the start as the prestige for that event, just like Riven was announced this year. Just like every single PE has been announced at the start of the event. It would be the same if they took riven off the pass, and instead announced QIyana as being the PE on the pass but not available yet, then activate her in the store today. Basically Kai'sa's PE was announced clearly in the teaser for the 2018 worlds shop so it was clear she would be there. There's many things different this time and it would be the best guess to think that QIyana would be on Snowdown. Anyone prior to this event would have assumed after Riven's reveal that Qiyana was on the Snowdown shop. I'm not missing anything except the entire last week of my life I lost grinding out another 2k which I'm mad about because 4K in one event I feel is disrespect on Riot's part. I've got a feeling you are missing a good one tho, guessing Kai'sa
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-11T04:07:57.964+0000) > > Why are you so snarky in your comments? You're trying so hard to talk down to me like I don't have basic logic but your information is all wrong. World Last year was Kai'sa alone. KDA came out in Snowdown which was a totally different pass. KDA was revealed in exactly the same way as True Damage and had it's own tokens. > > Here's the link to 2018 Snowden where it talks about KDA Akali Prestige > https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/special-event/nexus-blitz-neeko-snowdown-and-all-star > > Anyone that put two and two together would have assumed it was available on it's own pass that would begin right around now and run through December and the AllStar game just like KDA's Prestige. > > "GEE" KDA came out with the Worlds pass. KDA Kaisa's prestige hit on the worlds pass. Kai'Sa's Prestige was the first prestige skin. it was teased with the halloween skins, that were also on the pass. there was an entire video about the entire event. KDA Akali Prestige Edition came out at Snowdown. it's not very hard to find out when a skin line hit before you try to tell me im wrong my guy. Snowdown wasnt even K/DAs own pass, it was still linked to an event.
> [{quoted}](name=1011010100101000,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-11T04:17:12.836+0000) > > KDA came out with the Worlds pass. KDA Kaisa's prestige hit on the worlds pass/ Kai'Sa's Prestige was the first prestige skin. it was teased with the halloween skins, that were also on the pass. there was an entire video about the entire event. KDA Akali Prestige Edition came out at Snowdown. it's not very hard to find out when a skin line hit before you try to tell me im wrong my guy. Snowdown wasnt even K/DAs own pass, it was still linked to an event. If you asked any one prior to the announcement they would have assumed that riven took the spot of Kai'sa on the world pass this year and that Qiyana would take the place of Akali on Snowdown. I think it's kind of sad how you're acting. It's clearly not enough notice for most people and 4K is an unhealthy amount of points to grind in the time we had. I'm guess you missed one of the early prestiges and now you want to insist people miss this so they can feel like you? Overall it's a new prscedent, with 2 PEs in one event. The announcement also was only in one random devblog, on one employee's twitter, and on just one of the screens you can purchase the pass from, that is it.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-11T03:51:17.662+0000) > > Honestly no, it was on ONE view of the RP purchase description at the very bottom in basically small text, however if you bought it from the mission tab you never saw this at all. It was also not on the event summary website when the event came out. It was posted in a DevBlog article and on Twitter which you can tell by the likes it received that almost no one saw it. Unless you spent heavy time of forums or reddit it's very likely a person would never have been aware of it until a few days ago when it showed up in the skin collection. > > I bought the world pass from the mission tab, checked the website to see what the event contained and would have no clue this was happening if I wasn't scanning forums randomly some a week ago. > > True Damage was kept relatively hush and you can't expect people to seek out information they don't even know exists. true damage was kept quiet but the prestige skins havent been. you had so many chances to see it. you could even put two and two together? another music group is going to open worlds? gee it cant POSSIBLY be on the worlds pass like kaisa was.
> [{quoted}](name=1011010100101000,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-11T04:00:11.710+0000) > > true damage was kept quiet but the prestige skins havent been. you had so many chances to see it. you could even put two and two together? another music group is going to open worlds? gee it cant POSSIBLY be on the worlds pass like kaisa was. Why are you so snarky in your comments? You're trying so hard to talk down to me like I don't have basic logic but your information is all wrong. World Last year was Kai'sa alone. KDA came out in Snowdown which was a totally different pass. KDA was revealed in exactly the same way as True Damage and had it's own tokens. Here's the link to 2018 Snowden where it talks about KDA Akali Prestige https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/special-event/nexus-blitz-neeko-snowdown-and-all-star Anyone that put two and two together would have assumed it was available on it's own pass that would begin right around now and run through December and the AllStar game just like KDA's Prestige. The absolute logical idea anyone would have had if told about True Damage and PE Qiyana is that it would go down the same way it did last year. "GEE"
: it was announced in July that qiyana was tokens. it was announced that she was for tokens whenever the worlds pass was teased. it was announced to be for tokens when high noon hit. it was announced to be tokens whenever they officially teased the rest of the prestige skins for the rest of the season, and it sat on the home page. there's pass information where you can see everything. community sites made articles about her being prestige. we've had since the pass hit to get tokens for qiyana.
> [{quoted}](name=1011010100101000,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=51F6Qh7s,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-11T03:46:58.209+0000) > > it was announced in July that qiyana was tokens. it was announced that she was for tokens whenever the worlds pass was teased. it was announced to be for tokens when high noon hit. it was announced to be tokens whenever they officially teased the rest of the prestige skins for the rest of the season, and it sat on the home page. there's pass information where you can see everything. community sites made articles about her being prestige. we've had since the pass hit to get tokens for qiyana. Honestly no, it was on ONE view of the RP purchase description at the very bottom in basically small text, however if you bought it from the mission tab you never saw this at all. It was also not on the event summary website when the event came out. It was posted in a DevBlog article and on Twitter which you can tell by the likes it received that almost no one saw it. Unless you spent heavy time of forums or reddit it's very likely a person would never have been aware of it until a few days ago when it showed up in the skin collection. I bought the world pass from the mission tab, checked the website to see what the event contained and would have no clue this was happening if I wasn't scanning forums randomly some a week ago. True Damage was kept relatively hush and you can't expect people to seek out information they don't even know exists.
: Prestige Qiyana skin is unfair and money-grubbing
You aren't wrong that the low notice on this will cause lots of people to buy way more orbs (or w/e the tokens come in) when they realize farming it out in 9 days is impossible.
: True Damage in the worlds pass
Having grinded every single event I can say that this is the most brutal and I've had to basically no life LoL to get all 4K plus I will not be able to purchase anything else at all from the shop. Even if it was talked about in blogs or social media you can't expect players to seek out information they don't know exist. Most players would just assume this was like any other event, 1 PE skin with a reasonable amount of time to grind it and some of the other icons and emotes. This one demands an unhealthy amount of time in LoL to pull off and I haven't been enjoying spamming que every waking moment for days after already a month of grinding fairly hard to get the first 2k.
: > [{quoted}](name=STEG0,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qu74Zztd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-10T16:19:41.917+0000) > > It's not your fault at all, despite some people claiming you could have extrapolated it's availability or that it was printed in small text at the bottom of some window in the client it's not easy to figure out this would be available. 4k prestige points in one event is also a very unhealthy amount of games to play and even though we have a longer window this time it's the hardest grind we've had to do so far and unlike any other event. I don't understand why people think it was unclear or hard to find. https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/10/ask-riot-worlds-tokens-meta/ It's right there, the very first question.
> [{quoted}](name=Everyday Legends,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qu74Zztd,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T16:31:18.444+0000) > > I don't understand why people think it was unclear or hard to find. > https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/10/ask-riot-worlds-tokens-meta/ > It's right there, the very first question. Those things aren't reliable to be read, like to take this to an extreme example you can't anticipate all the players to check all social media and blog posts to find information that they aren't even aware exists. Also 4K is too much grinding in an event, it's an unhealthy amount of game time for a vast majority of players. Yes the event was longer but having grinded the 4K myself I can say for sure this is the most I've ever had to no life LOL to accomplish these goals. Even playing the entirety of the event I will not be able to purchase anything but the 2 PE skins and I'm going to have to pull a few all nighters. It's not wildly out there to think most people just assumed this was like every other event where 1 prestige is launched for 2000 and that's the goal and there was a reasonable amount of time to purchase the things available if you played LOL regularly.
: My Dilema With PE True Damage Qyiana, Riot help me
It's not your fault at all, despite some people claiming you could have extrapolated it's availability or that it was printed in small text at the bottom of some window in the client it's not easy to figure out this would be available. 4k prestige points in one event is also a very unhealthy amount of games to play and even though we have a longer window this time it's the hardest grind we've had to do so far and unlike any other event.
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: Pay to win and the Morale High ground
I'm sure there are 100s of Mobas out there that are pay to win which you can go play, however none of them are popular because their business model destroys the spirit of competition. As a result of this P2W MOBAs have to make short lived cash outs by catering towards whale's gambling $10,000 for waifu champions while they quickly move on to making a reskin of the same game for the next release. League is popular because it doesn't do this and if it did it wouldn't be as long lived or popular.
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