ShiraZen (NA)
: Imagine the boards wanting to buff trundle but still bitching about zed lmao
Zed is fine. I don't know why the bonus AD on kill was removed from his R. That was supposed to be his snowball window. They should have toned it down if anything not downright removing it.
Moody P (NA)
: Old Galio only useful for flash taunt, new Galio only useful for flash taunt
Galio... The taunt is good... but being there when you need to be there from a screen away? That alone makes Galio worth his weight in gold.
: I am a Nasus player. I've played Nasus since season 2. I've got thousands of games on him.
Made this comment on Tham BEFORE he was even buffed for TOP or gutted from support: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/llFpXOXF-so-kench-is-just-a-toplaner-now-right?comment=0006 Read it, chew it, etc. He just invalidates most melee top laners (if not all) and got buffed afterwards. So, yeah, that'ss the kind of North Korea League we have today. Not being dramatic, just being real. On other notes, I am not quite sure why are you picking Nasus top after reaching Plat. There are better picks man. If you are trying to prove something, Nasus and Garen are the worst ways of doing so.
: > [{quoted}](name=Saevum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EyupKL6b,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-17T06:24:41.176+0000) > > When the turret laser meta was alive and kickin', Alistar was using them for tattoos. that's funny
> [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EyupKL6b,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-17T06:25:27.612+0000) > > that's funny That's relative on the Alistar with or against variable.
: What does alistars ult do?
When the turret laser meta was alive and kickin', Alistar was using them for tattoos.
: > [{quoted}](name=Saevum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ed1LzOiV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-17T05:37:27.565+0000) > > I don't know why also first turret gold plus plates is a thing. Pair that with first blood and voilà. Chaos. I kind of get first turret gold, because Riot has to have some implementation to prevent the lane switch meta from transpiring again.
Another thing that has been mentioned before (on other threads) is turret destruction. Some champs are just way better at it. See Fiora, for example. Or Cassiopeia, or Fiddlesticks. They just struggle. Darius is another one. Demolition is supposed to cover the issue though. But it should work even _without_ Demolition. If you really want a balanced and competitive oriented setup.
: Why are handicaps such a huge part of this so-called "competitive" game?
I don't know why also first turret gold plus plates is a thing. Pair that with first blood and voilà. Chaos.
: Nullifying Orb Rune, be able to choose to be a Magic or physical shield
Good idea. Just don't make it scale hard as the game goes on. Or give it a long cooldown. like 4~5 mins.
Moody P (NA)
: Volibear VGU can help Mundo and Shyvana too
I would totally dig in for a modern "fire" cloak for Shyvana's W that would inflict 15% grievous wounds to targets on her melee range and a 5% thornmail effect passively against AA's. The fantasy why's behind it: Thornmail effect: Proyectiles ricochet against her Dragon Form Scales. Grievous effect: Spiky skin and armor heated by fire (so it basically goes through flesh like butter). Things like that it's what makes reworks cool. Something RELATED to the champ, how it looks, what niche fantasy they fill, gimmicks, etc. I hope you get a nice Voli rework. I am interested on what will Riot Design Team will come up with. Or we can just #revertVoli.
: My proposal on small Illaoi changes/fixes.
She has good counterplay. It is better to look at which window should riot aim to make it a tad smaller, but still relevant. Like, sometimes, she gets penalized for landind E instead of getting rewarded.
: The hair is not the most disturbing part about Qiyana's design
Moody P (NA)
: Counter effects on items should not be passives
Or They can add a passive cleanse thingy to the heal spell against grievous wounds for like, lets say, 3-4 secs.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: How to counter TK 101!! 1. Pick {{champion:8}} 2. Poke him 3. Outsustain him 4. If needed press W 5. ??? 6. Profit!!
> [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2QlApqdJ,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-06-07T09:28:20.037+0000) > > How to counter TK 101!! > > 1. Pick {{champion:8}} > 2. Poke him > 3. Outsustain him > 4. If needed press W > 5. ??? > 6. Profit!! {{champion:41}} aye! ho yo ho! GP works too. But he is not that popular.
: To all Volibear and Fiddlesticks Enthusiasts
I hope they deliver the terror fantasy theme, the T pose Signature, and the crow related swarm that he is being most known of (insert a twist of fate video addendum here).
: How would you rework Exhaust?
It used to work just fine until everything started to have dashes, blinks and one shots.
: A little worried about one feature of the new Mordekaiser: Clone skills.
I wonder if bard can find meeps in the shadow realm. And just movespeed + stun + journey his way out of morde's grasp.
Antenora (EUW)
: If you want to leave Bronze quickly as a Top laner then look no further. {{champion:122}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:23}} All of these champions have the following in common - VERY easy to play so you get to focus on the game instead of individual champion mechanics - Can be extremely oppressive and difficult for a Bronze player to deal with. - Are decently tanky and can carry. - Can either teamfight or split push extremely well (Bronze players don't know how to deal with a split pusher so it's freelo) - Are most likely to get fed in Bronze due to enemies not respecting you or playing poorly.   {{champion:23}} {{champion:24}} can be flexed into the Jungle also. {{champion:6}} {{champion:8}} can be flexed to Mid Lane.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qwEE0x3Z,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-05-27T13:14:40.540+0000) > > If you want to leave Bronze quickly as a Top laner then look no further. > > > {{champion:122}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:23}} > > > All of these champions have the following in common > > - VERY easy to play so you get to focus on the game instead of individual champion mechanics > - Can be extremely oppressive and difficult for a Bronze player to deal with. > - Are decently tanky and can carry. > - Can either teamfight or split push extremely well (Bronze players don't know how to deal with a split pusher so it's freelo) > - Are most likely to get fed in Bronze due to enemies not respecting you or playing poorly. > >   > > {{champion:23}} {{champion:24}} can be flexed into the Jungle also. > > {{champion:6}} {{champion:8}} can be flexed to Mid Lane. Add Renekton to the mid lane against other melee and a selected few ranged. He is a sleeper OP on mid.
: Death Realm seems like it forgets about counter play
If you cant Cleanse, Sash, Veil, or revive it ({{champion:266}} {{champion:26}} {{item:3026}}), yea... it would make it op to some degree. Veil should be a possible, that one is undeniable, the other options, not sure.
FkValeRly (EUW)
: imagine if morello was still on the case, kennen, jayce, gnar, teeto would be removed from top lane
> [{quoted}](name=FkValeRly,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bGhfifGw,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-25T14:40:23.433+0000) > > imagine if morello was still on the case, kennen, jayce, gnar, teeto would be removed from top lane Why teeto tho. He is the pet of top lane man wtf.
Moody P (NA)
: Point and click hard CC is only a problem when its instantaneous. Fiddle fear, Malz R, Ryze W. Tarics old E was one of the healthiest CC spells in the game because of its slow speed to counterbalance its reliability
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mWZr7Hnr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-25T21:19:26.564+0000) > > Point and click hard CC is only a problem when its instantaneous. Fiddle fear, Malz R, Ryze W. Old Sion's Q, Old Warwick's ult, Yasuo's ult.
: Tahm Kench in top lane is filthy
At least is not a ranged champion cheesing the lane. Why the Tham hatred? he's been around or awhile. The buffs maybe?
: > [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=v04bcJ7E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-24T22:18:36.936+0000) > > I'm not understanding > > why is there a picture of phantom lancer There's actually 2 pictures of Phantom Lancer.
> [{quoted}](name=L Psy Kongroo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=v04bcJ7E,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-24T23:45:12.391+0000) > > There's actually 2 pictures of Phantom Lancer. Lies. One is Definitely Not Phantom Lancer.
: Before renerfing Aatrox into the ground, consider reverting some of the hotfix's changes
> [{quoted}](name=PaffWasTaken,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g5ZtiVFq,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-24T15:13:01.292+0000) > > please consider just reverting the Q damage buff hotfix. And diminish Q range (aoe). But not smaller than second Q. This will passively penalize him for not executing a combo correctly. It will also penalize less champions that only have movement speed as a countermeasure for aatrox combos. This will force Aatrox players to correctly use W, as it is supposed to be.
: Riot doesn't fix stuff. They just put a bandaid over everything.
: Draven Top?
Works against Vayne top too. The thing is, no one blind picks Vayne top and enemy bot lane or your teammate can also pick Draven. So, yeah,
: What can Riot do about it, though? Honestly?
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aWFfGZeF,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2019-05-22T15:02:34.124+0000) > > What can Riot do about it, though? Honestly? Oh the poor things, what could they possibly do about it? $$$
Pika Fox (NA)
: All Random refers to everyone hitting the random button back when the game mode was first made in custom matches, which randoms between all champions owned. This isnt a valid argument or counterpoint, it just shows a lack of knowledge on how the game mode started.
Nice. Another Kai Guy. But obsessed with a lackluster of points of view. And, same as kai, since you missed the point: We need true RNG on ARAM. We are usually against RNG in this game, but for aram, we want it.
GripaAviara (EUNE)
: Riot are scumbags. Ezreal is being kept broken to fking sell their skins
He also barely suffers changes to itemization because he is different. He is certainly special because of that. And i disagree with those who think that he is broken. He breaks items, but he is almost insta checked when he does. I am still thining that Gauntlet should be taken out from his options.
Saezio (EUNE)
: They said they would keep them if they were deemed positive. Some people disagree with their removal. Riot need to either A) enable all champs B) allow people to limit their champ pools as they wish so that owning champs isn't a negative impact C) if those can't be made, bans are only fair against aram-accounts P.S. It's also not called ORAM, Owned Random All Mid
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2xFjqtlk,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T01:39:09.558+0000) > > P.S. It's also not called ORAM, Owned Random All Mid You just /thread any opposing dumbfuk out there. Good job.
Infernape (EUW)
: Jarvan IV. His kit needs a little love, but it's mostly his visuals and VO that are lacking.
Jarvan kit is so good. He is also very popular. If they ever rework him (which is something i highly doubt) it has to be a successful rework or we are gonna be mad and ask for a revert.
: Hashinshin is wrong about the items but he’s right that mages dumpster tanks in lane.
He is not wrong about the mage items. There are a few tanks that do not get dumpstered in lane by mages. Are you ok?
: Why is Riot determined not to buff armor?
Because overall damage and CDR are the problem, along with conq, lethality and MPen. AKA what other users already pointed out. Several times. Buffing armor does not solve **% damage** or flat **True dmg** either. And it doesn't matter how much it is analyzed. It doesn't matter how much sugestions pop-up in your head. If Riot wants to keep League like North Korea it is gonna be kept like North Korea. So you only have 2 options: You either cross the border or you strive with what you have.
PaladinNO (EUNE)
: "Want some game code, sir?" https://www.gimmesomeoven.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ultra-Garlicky-Spaghetti-1-1.jpg _This is why I always keep a fork next to me when playing this game, as a metaphorical reference._
And if it's top lane, you can add some cheese in the mix. _Mamma mia!_
: Congrats to G2
G2 won the tournament the moment they took down SKT. SKT's bot lane griefed so hard that i wanted to report them.
: Me: ,,Can I have blue?"
A good plot twist would have been if you killed the enemy jungler afterwards.
: She is still insanely powerfull. The only reason her winrate took such a hit is that most people who picked her up while she was at the top were successfull with her only because of her bloated numbers and won without giving any effort. Now, even if she is still blatantly overpowered, people have to use their brain during laning phase, something that they haven't done for months now
More like, they are still picking her into any match-up. Now the Riven players need to use their brain into which match-ups they can pick her, like any other melee champion operates with a counterplay window She is not "insanely powerful", they just need to adapt to being mortals. tee hee.
: do we have an eta on the morde rework?
I still want VU on morde like the mortal remidner video. Skarner. I totally forgot he existed. Rammus? but he just stands there. And he's Ok. Forget it about Vayne. She got touched recently. It is already a miracle. I won't push it. What theme would you like for trynda if he gets reworked? we already have enough swordsmen, something fresh but Berserker-ish would be nice, maybe ice related spells cause he married Ashe. or a ice weapon of some sort! A built in frozen mallet! nah jk.
Ludicol0 (NA)
: let us walk through minions
: Riven's WinRate graph for 9.10 fills me with sadistic joy
It was indeed a nerf, the cooldown on the shield is gonna hurt, yes, they only need to use their brains more often. Also, they get to chill a little bit longer during laning phase, which is where the nerf hit them. This is called increasing the skill cap. Because before this nerf, there was a major Riven abuse pick rate. Let's wait and see.
Nhika (NA)
: Twisted Fate is gimped
The last Q nerf hit him in the balls for laning phase. The further the cards go, the more damage they do, however since is multiplicative, -10 base damage on Q hurts the laning phase. The nerf was done due to the old rune system if i recall it right. I could be wrong about the reason tho.
: 48% winrate? People don’t actually realize how significant that E change was. Meanwhile Aatrox is S+ tier again. Not complaining, just saying.
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im a Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aRhYrw0d,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-14T20:56:16.449+0000) > > 48% winrate? People don’t actually realize how significant that E change was. > > Meanwhile Aatrox is S+ tier again. Not complaining, just saying. The only thing that Aatrox needs to secure his high-skill floor and untouched stats, is to diminish a little bit the AOE (area only) of his 3rd Q. Right now everyone lands that. And that's something that should be changed. His combo disrupts everything that it can grasp. That, passively diminishes counterplay, and 3rd Q is a secured almost unavoidable mini knock up. The champion is supposed to penalize players playing him poorly. 3rd Q does not follow this ideal.
: Iceborn
To buff iceborn, it is required first to make it melee only. That's the very first step. Otherwise, it's gonna be picked by Karma, Ezreal, Viktor etc. Because of the AOE passive. That passive is pure gold and is usually exploited.
: > [{quoted}](name=Saevum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fZz8vEpN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-28T04:23:26.611+0000) > > Maybe they will allow Wukong to move his clone just like shaco and leblanc can? > > something like: > > if you don't move it, the clone does what we currently know it will do. > if you DO move it, then maybe you can do just 1 auto in the same amount of time he is up. which is not much, but hey. I remember they mention something about his passive and being more bruiser
> [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fZz8vEpN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-28T04:26:54.627+0000) > > I remember they mention something about his passive and being more bruiser They seem to be working on the clone, so i win :^)
: Glad they nerfed Rivens shield
It's not gonna affect players with a brain. Or at least, that's what the nerf was aimed for. Still, giving a compensation... it's just walking backwards. Like an Ewok moonwalking.
Sadalsa (EUW)
: what lane do i pick if i'm a sadist ?
Jungle. And pick fiddle.
: Add Skirmishers to the list then. I thought Riven and Jax were Divers. But yeah, Skirmishers have historically been problematic throughout all time and some just never got fixed, Jax and Riven being two of them. {{champion:114}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:24}} come to mind.
Skirmishers are less beefy than a Diver and usually require some sort of vamping to survive. I consider Jax a scaling mix between both, but more certainly closer to the Diver class. He is labeled by riot as a skirmisher, but i disagree. The other 4 are certainly skirmishers. Riven is beefy due to her AD ratio shield. She soaks damage, as far as she can spam her shield while also being elusive. That's another fundamental to survivability. Same goes for Fujin and his E. If you ever remove Fujin's W, he instantly becomes balanced and niche mid, as we all melee brothers should be. Fujin likes to give the middle finger to everyone right now.
: The problem is talking about Bruisers as if Bruiser is the Fighter class as a whole. They're separated into Juggernaut, Diver and Skirmisher. Divers are currently the problem children.
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleeper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WiZTzKnk,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-14T14:01:24.312+0000) > Divers are currently the viable melee children. There, fixed.
: Annie's strength is more in her reliable aoe stun + aoe nuke. She doesn't nuke a single target uniquely well, but she can pretty much win a fight with a flash R.
When she does that does she uses a bush and maybe a control ward?
: > [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=25BUOfuk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-13T20:07:01.109+0000) > > What about him is in a unhealthy spot ? The fact that he is handed so much shit for free? His passive does 2 things His q does 4 different things. And scales with attack speed for some reason. His w removes approximated 50% of champions from the game His e is 7+ dashes every 15 seconds. And his ult has armor pen, and has actually been made idiot proofed.
Lies. They haven't reached the idiot proof yet. Yassuo is still missing nados.
: They must be aiming for a global problem
So... Its not a western phenomenon anymore? What would be the next card? oh let me guess! North, south, and east havent been used yet!
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