: > [{quoted}](name=Sage of Souls,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=V6iiax4j,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T05:07:13.636+0000) > > I don't know who that is, but if you all are saying that he got "permabanned" for doing something outside of the game, then got to come back because he's a "figure", then doesn't that make this system even worse? >.> Just the opposite- they _only_ banned him **BECAUSE** he was a known figure. If he had of been say _you_ -**you** would have never been banned _at all_.
> [{quoted}](name=Dreamspitter,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=V6iiax4j,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-12-14T10:57:16.531+0000) > > Just the opposite- they _only_ banned him **BECAUSE** he was a known figure. > > If he had of been say _you_ -**you** would have never been banned _at all_. Ah, ok.
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sage of Souls,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KtzjlE5U,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T05:49:31.183+0000) > > I'm just relaying what I read in another thread. I don't exactly know how API systems work. Please don't fault me for ignorance. I just made this thread partially by opinion and partially by suspicion. Like I said, it sort of raises a red flag when the same company makes two programs that do the exact same thing. It just makes me wonder why they wouldn't just stick to the one program. Maybe it's some sort of marketing ploy--I don't know. My knowledge as a marketing professional isn't all that great, either. XD I'm not trying to fault you - I know it may seem that way but my questions are merely an attempt to get you to come to the conclusion without having to *know* the answer itself. Overwolf isn't really making a "second program". It's kinda like a "plugin manager" - think Steam. Steam (well, Valve) only makes a few games - but they also sell a lot of other games that others made. Likewise, Overwolf has a couple default plugins, but other sites can go add their plugins into Overwolf. Overwolf codes the game integration (i.e. the base overlay), and the plugins allow you to choose what third-party information you want to display through the overlay.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KtzjlE5U,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T05:51:29.884+0000) > > I'm not trying to fault you - I know it may seem that way but my questions are merely an attempt to get you to come to the conclusion without having to *know* the answer itself. > > Overwolf isn't really making a "second program". It's kinda like a "plugin manager" - think Steam. Steam (well, Valve) only makes a few games - but they also sell a lot of other games that others made. Likewise, Overwolf has a couple default plugins, but other sites can go add their plugins into Overwolf. Overwolf codes the game integration (i.e. the base overlay), and the plugins allow you to choose what third-party information you want to display through the overlay. Ah, I see. So it's different developers using the same publisher. That makes sense. Ok, thanks for the clarification; that greatly lessens my suspicion.
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sage of Souls,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KtzjlE5U,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T05:26:15.001+0000) > > I thought Riot's API was private and programs had to have permission to have access to them? At least, that's what I read in another thread on these boards. > > And you do have a point. I hadn't considered that death locations could be put into a numeric value. Like I said, my programming knowledge isn't that extensive. How would sites like op.gg work if Riot's API was private? Yes, you need to apply for a key to use the API, but anyone can do so and get access - and the policies for what is permissible [are quite broad](https://developer.riotgames.com/policies/general). Note that the only things that are permitted are those that are **shaming** players - that's why you'll see sites like Mobalytics/Porofessor/etc not saying anything's *bad* about another player. They may call another player "reckless" - but that isn't necessarily something to be ashamed of. If they flat out said "yo, you're in lobby with this loser and you don't want them in your team" that'd be not okay. Likewise, op.gg has its "op.gg score" that assigns an Ace and MVP to each game - based on its own proprietary calculation. Given that this isn't replacing the MMR system nor is it designed to do similar things, that's allowed.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KtzjlE5U,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T05:43:13.071+0000) > > How would sites like op.gg work if Riot's API was private? Yes, you need to apply for a key to use the API, but anyone can do so and get access - and the policies for what is permissible [are quite broad](https://developer.riotgames.com/policies/general). > > Note that the only things that are permitted are those that are **shaming** players - that's why you'll see sites like Mobalytics/Porofessor/etc not saying anything's *bad* about another player. They may call another player "reckless" - but that isn't necessarily something to be ashamed of. If they flat out said "yo, you're in lobby with this loser and you don't want them in your team" that'd be not okay. Likewise, op.gg has its "op.gg score" that assigns an Ace and MVP to each game - based on its own proprietary calculation. Given that this isn't replacing the MMR system nor is it designed to do similar things, that's allowed. I'm just relaying what I read in another thread. I don't exactly know how API systems work. Please don't fault me for ignorance. I just made this thread partially by opinion and partially by suspicion. Like I said, it sort of raises a red flag when the same company makes two programs that do the exact same thing. It just makes me wonder why they wouldn't just stick to the one program. Maybe it's some sort of marketing ploy--I don't know. My knowledge as a marketing professional isn't all that great, either. XD
: > [{quoted}](name=JetCracker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xuTaEHLP,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-13T03:20:24.781+0000) > > My friends and I have figured that sending more than 50+ messages and getting reported for chat reasons will get a restriction. Regardless if its just banter. Idk but i think its part of the auto bans. I up-voted you to see if they would down vote you, and they did, just like they down voted me. These guys are so blinded by their ignorance and self-righteous internet self-proclaimed judgement, that they are actually down voting posts, that disagree with them, not because they are posts with hate, posts that are off-topic, posts that are disgusting or off-limits, but because it goes against their ego, which wants to believe with all of its heart that this punishment was deserved so they can continue to white knight this company, even though it's **100% CLEAR that I was FALSELY punished, I LOST my HONOR that I EARNED for my months of GOOD BEHAVIOR, and this system being FAULTY, and people like them refusing to ADMIT TO ITS FAULTS.** _Ignore the white knights, take heed to my white text!_ **I am innocent, no matter how many down votes this thread gets, it does not change the TRUTH!** I was NOT punished for the chat log (there's nothing in it that breaks any rules), I was FALSELY punished for being an elite typographer, I simply type too fast and people think I am typing too much, when it takes seconds for me to write long-winded sentences, the person reviewing my "report" ASSUMED that I typed too much, SO PLEASE REVERT MY HONOR (Honor 2, Checkpoint 3), I have played THOUSANDS of games typing as fast as I do and WINNING them, these white knights need to be exempted from their privileges on the boards, they have done nothing but accuse, abuse and refuse to be honorable, they have become incapable of fulfilling their authoritative obligation to PROTECT the INNOCENT, instead they white knight and down vote, then turn against the INNOCENT under false pretenses with questionable attitudes and characteristics that do NOT reflect what they expect from the players! This is HYPOCRISY and LUNACY!
OR maybe they do disagree with the posts and thus down-vote them. The fact that you're assuming that it goes against their ego is being sort of egotistical, yourself.
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sage of Souls,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KtzjlE5U,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T05:20:11.910+0000) > > That part's fine. I'm all for having an addon that shows players how to build and play a champion they haven't before. The part that I'm getting at is their tags for how a player plays. I'm not familiar with all of the progress recording sites out there, such as op.gg, but I'm pretty sure there isn't one out there that can tell if you've "Just Woke Up". Also, I don't think they can show how aggressively or defensively you play, either, without providing replays. I just wouldn't know how a program would capture that based on numerical statistics. I could be wrong, as my knowledge as a programmer isn't that extensive, but it just doesn't seem like something that a website would be capable of tracking without someone writing an extensive code that tracks each and every move/position/ability/etc. that player makes in conjunction with every other player and enemy that is in that game at that time every game they play. When I play, I'm usually a lane bully, but I don't think op.gg could detect that. Especially since I don't play competitively that often. Why wouldn't they be able to? You could do the same by going to their match history in client or online and saying "hmm, they haven't played since 12 hours ago, this is their first game". They further don't need replays - they use statistics (such as death locations and stuff) that are publicly available and they compile those stats and run analytics equations on them. You can do the same - the Riot API is public and you can code your own program if you'd like.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KtzjlE5U,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T05:23:03.240+0000) > > Why wouldn't they be able to? You could do the same by going to their match history in client or online and saying "hmm, they haven't played since 12 hours ago, this is their first game". > > They further don't need replays - they use statistics (such as death locations and stuff) that are publicly available and they compile those stats and run analytics equations on them. You can do the same - the Riot API is public and you can code your own program if you'd like. I thought Riot's API was private and programs had to have permission to have access to them? At least, that's what I read in another thread on these boards. And you do have a point. I hadn't considered that death locations could be put into a numeric value. Like I said, my programming knowledge isn't that extensive.
rujitra (NA)
: Apps that gather data from Riot's API and process/present it in an analytical way are not prohibited to anyone's knowledge.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KtzjlE5U,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-14T05:16:50.741+0000) > > Apps that gather data from Riot's API and process/present it in an analytical way are not prohibited to anyone's knowledge. Hmm. I see your point, so maybe it's just my idea of what's "fair play". As I said in my post to Sihari (EUW), I don't really have an extensive programming knowledge, so I don't exactly know what it takes to make these analytical conclusions. However, I do still stand by my opinion that unless you invest in this addon, you're going to be at a disadvantage against players who do. Still, even if this is allowed, I don't know why Overwolf would make two programs that do the exact same thing.
Sihari (EUW)
: im using facecheck for a few weeks now and i have never seen anything on there that you couldnt get by looking at a players op.gg, so i cant confirm that it gives you an unfair advantage to be honest, i would be pretty sad if riot starts to see it as a forbidden software, because it really keeps the stress in champselect down when im picking a champ whos masterys / itembuilds i am unfamiliar with
> [{quoted}](name=Sihari,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KtzjlE5U,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-14T05:04:45.215+0000) > > im using facecheck for a few weeks now and i have never seen anything on there that you couldnt get by looking at a players op.gg, so i cant confirm that it gives you an unfair advantage > > to be honest, i would be pretty sad if riot starts to see it as a forbidden software, because it really keeps the stress in champselect down when im picking a champ whos masterys / itembuilds i am unfamiliar with That part's fine. I'm all for having an addon that shows players how to build and play a champion they haven't before. The part that I'm getting at is their tags for how a player plays. I'm not familiar with all of the progress recording sites out there, such as op.gg, but I'm pretty sure there isn't one out there that can tell if you've "Just Woke Up". Also, I don't think they can show how aggressively or defensively you play, either, without providing replays. I just wouldn't know how a program would capture that based on numerical statistics. I could be wrong, as my knowledge as a programmer isn't that extensive, but it just doesn't seem like something that a website would be capable of tracking without someone writing an extensive code that tracks each and every move/position/ability/etc. that player makes in conjunction with every other player and enemy that is in that game at that time every game they play. When I play, I'm usually a lane bully, but I don't think op.gg could detect that. Especially since I don't play competitively that often.
Rexpekt (NA)
: https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/225266848
Posting this here doesn't help him. Plus, if he says he never used a third party, then posting this doesn't do squat for anyone.
Vkull (NA)
: Forced to change username
Why'd you have to change your username?
dulledull (EUW)
: Dont get hacked. Riot bans you and dont give ur acc back!
This half surprises me and half doesn't. Riot should be able to tell that something's amiss when you get hacked. My fiancee got hacked years ago by someone who bought a bunch of champions that she HATES playing and NEVER plays and played a bunch of ranked games, something she's NEVER done ONCE, and they saw that something was amiss, refunded the champions that were bought, and reset her progression. Though, this was years ago when Riot had a better reputation. Nowadays, I can't be surprised that they wouldn't really care about helping someone who got hacked.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lock On,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=V6iiax4j,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T04:42:36.737+0000) > > Fair, though that makes it a lot worse lol If he was nobody, it wouldn't matter. But he's a known _figure_.
> [{quoted}](name=Dreamspitter,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=V6iiax4j,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T04:46:27.980+0000) > > If he was nobody, it wouldn't matter. But he's a known _figure_. I don't know who that is, but if you all are saying that he got "permabanned" for doing something outside of the game, then got to come back because he's a "figure", then doesn't that make this system even worse? >.>
Rioter Comments
: There Is Absolutely NO REASON To Be Punished Over This Chat Log (The FULL Log).
I like how this guy posts a chat log and doesn't actually post the FULL chat log. Only what he said, then tries to defend what he said without showing the other side of the conversation.
Lock On (NA)
: PSA: wishing someone was aborted does not break Riot's 4 pillars for instant suspension
Riot doesn't actually ban people for saying stuff in-game. Or even for constant dodging or leaving games or trolling or anything like that. They let their *automated system* do that for them. Chances are that you won't actually get anything to happen from this.
XhDanny (EUW)
: how about this one of my friends happened to get an s- and i got a xerath shard from the chest
Xerath is REALLY fun, but he's one of, like, 4 or 5 or 6 champions where all four of his abilities are a skill-shot. No point-and-click, no buff, no heal, no shield, no nothing. Pure skill-shot. So if you're not the best person with skill-shots, I wouldn't recommend him, as he can be a mid to high level difficulty champion for most. That being said, I see above that you asked about Jhin. Jhin is probably the only ADC I'd ever be comfortable playing besides off-meta Gnar ADC (INCOMING FLAME!). He's a lot of fun and I like his mechanics. He's also probably the only champion I'd ever bother building crit over lifesteal with just because of his passive. If I ever get champions like Ashe or Master Yi, I usually build lifesteal, even though most people build them crit. I'd recommend Jhin if you like ADCs, but keep in mind that he has a mechanic similar to Graves in where he's ammo-based and you will have to contend with a reload time that CANNOT be reduced in any way. While it's not that long, it will leave you open in some manners. You can still use his Q,W,E,R while reloading, but it pauses your reload time (unless they've changed that) and you won't have that auto-attack available for the big popping crits. Interestingly enough, his ultimate is actually similar to Xerath's. XD Both of their ultimates are long-distance sniping shots. If you're new to the ADC role, Jhin may not necessarily be a recommendation by most players, given that he has some unique abilities that require pseudo-micromanagement. If I was to recommend a starter for new ADCs, I'd definitely recommend Ashe, but I will say that Jhin is a strong ADC. Now, I've only ever been in Gold in ranked and I do not care for "professional" play, nor do I ever try to copy someone else's build or play-style or let someone tell me how I should be playing my role or the game in general, so I can't tell you how far you could take Jhin in the ELOs, but for casual play, he's pretty good. If you ever want to play together, feel free to send me a friend request! My in-game name is the same as displayed here. Edit: Ah, oops! I just saw that you're EUW and not NA. Darn. Well, if you ever come to NA, feel free to add me. XD
: is there a way to get a moderator or riot support to actually answer?
You're still unable to log into support? I had that issue for about a day, but it resolved itself the next day.
: possible 'Critical Error' fix
I'm not sure if this is what was causing my critical errors or not, but I'll look into it. Thank you for the advice!
: Does riot actually ban the trollers players?
No, they don't. If they did, and if they even slightly cared about their game/playerbase, their reputation would be different.
Ahri Da (NA)
: How riot gives penalty to people...
Riot won't change anything. I really wish I could give you some sort of helpful advice or information, but there's just nothing to give...
: Did you have dinner at least?
How is this relevant?
: go fuck yourself riot
Riot only cares about money and their so special "World's" and "professionals"...
AIıce (OCE)
: Computer Science or Software Engineering?
I can't really direct you on your path of education, but I'm just going to say this: Please, please, PLEASE do not make it a goal of yours to work at Riot. There are so many better companies.
: Any modification what so ever is a ban, read the ToS.
Then why does Riot not take action against the supposed OverWolf representatives on the forums misleading and encouraging people to use their third party program?
: I find this statement "....placement of your pieces. It's not called auto chess..." hilarious and a bit contradictory too. Look if you want to move pieces play actual chess. ;)
I've never tried Team Fight Tactics because it sounded like crap and the term "auto-chess" made me think of the "auto-clicker" games and it made me believe it was going to be something of a similar sort, but I had to make a comment to state that you speak truth that no other could match. Please, people, if you want strategy, play actual chess. XD
Rioter Comments
XhDanny (EUW)
: What champion should I play?
Personally, I think Poppy is a lot of fun. But, I, personally, am a long-range Mage player. I main (and am probably considered a borderline one-trick) Xerath, which you don't see many people playing.
Titanìa (EUNE)
: There is thing called in league "Ban Wave" Its the wave of detecting unaccepted Third Party Programs Thing such as an "Skin Changers" "Scripts" etc... If OverWolf its injecting to the game directly its very risky and easy getting detected by Ban Wave (Anti-Cheat) Try contacting trough Live Chat Riot Supports and asking more about this Regards ... VeX {{champion:55}} {{item:3146}} {{sticker:katarina-love}}
There's a Riot Support Live Chat? I guess I'll have to do that, then. Thanks.
: Bots overrunning Twisted Treeline
That's Twisted Treeline for ya. People use that map for just botting their account to 30 or whatever.
: Unfair Skin Reroll
Rerolling is pure RNG. I rerolled a Totally Not Blitzcrank shard with two others and literally got Totally Not Blitzcrank as a permanent from that reroll. If you didn't want those three skins in the first place, then it's not like you actually lost anything. You gambled with something you got for free. There's no real excuse that you can have that legitimizes your complaining about that. Those skin shards were FREE and you didn't want them. Don't get upset if you didn't get what you wanted from gambling with FREE resources. And skins cost money in the first place. The fact that they added a system where you can potentially earn them for free means that nobody has any room to complain at all about not getting the shard they wanted. The reroll was fair.
: Teamates Are AFK and LP Loss After Ranked Games (During Mid to Late Game)
I would love to see this problem be fixed, but Riot doesn't seem to have a good track record on listening to its community. This and the toxic community are partly why I don't even bother with ranked anymore.
: Rip Ranked Rewards
I think it'd help your case if you posted the whole chat log and not just what you said.
Trixster (EUNE)
: {{champion:4}} + {{champion:104}} {{champion:412}} + {{champion:37}} {{champion:268}} + {{champion:101}} <3
Damn. Someone beat me to the Azir + Xerath ship comment.
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Bultz (NA)
: Playing URF As Vlad
I played Vlad in the original URF. Nothing will compare ever. XD
: Riot Pls: Ranked Pls - 2017 Season Ranked Changes
Wait, so we're STILL going to have to select two roles?! I hate that shit. What if we're a one-lane main? Why force us to select a role that we might not be good at? If a team is going to win, allow each player on the team to select their preferred role, not force them to choose a secondary which they will more often than not get and cause the rest of the team to possibly suffer a loss because they didn't get what they're good at. I'd rather suffer a longer queue time than a loss if it means playing with players who get their primary role and can actually do well as opposed to getting a secondary that they might be "meh" at...

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