: Just because you dislike/lost to something.
Evening all, While there is some merit to the debate about whether or not losses to a Champion, Item, ect. add or remove weight to a criticism, this isn't exactly the best platform for that discussion. Additionally, when you end cap your thread with statements like "Difference is I keep my salty complaints off the boards" you're effectively baiting those who feel they might be accused (or honestly tend to do so) into 'defensive' posts. Eventually derailing any constructive nature such a conversation might have. And as per the Universal Rules, "Posting designed to bait conversation" is generally something we want to avoid. I don't mind if this is remade a bit later, after heads have had time to cool. But when you bring up this topic again do try to avoid leads like that which will inevitably create bickering in the commentary section. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZfE311GQ-discord-verification) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: We need a division that's under bronze.
Evening everyone, Gonna have to do a tiny bit of explanation here. So, we get quite a bit postings on a daily basis that require deletion for Universal Rule violations. Specifically: ** Naming & Shaming** _Personal attacks Posts that accuse others of causing a negative in-game experience_ How does it relate to this thread? Well, more of those than I'd like to be are effectively what we call 'Rank Shaming'. One of the most common ways people try to undercut and 'invalidate' someone's argument/point is, paraphrased, "Well, you're Rank Bronze/Silver/ect. So shut up." It's a long running mentality on Gameplay that this approach is a valid way to address someone because until the Warden system it wasn't dealt with nearly as commonly as it should. Calling someone out on their Rank is equivalent in UR weight to calling someone any other demeaning insult. This thread, while not calling out any specific users, is a prime example of this mentality in action. And we cannot delete posts calling out people for Rank Shaming on one hand while allowing things like this to float freely. So, to that extent, I'm going to soft lock this thread. Tsukanami, you don't have to worry. This is not a mark against you or anything. Just a generalized action. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZfE311GQ-discord-verification) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
Bultz (NA)
: "pushed Yasuo away from a wombo-combo-friendly mid laner towards a solo-splitting top"
Evening all, This thread has derailed quite rapidly into several arguments. Because of the multiple deletions I'm going to need to hand out; I'm soft locking this thread as well to prevent the bickering from backing up any further. To all parties involved, kindly let this subject as a whole drop for the time being. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZfE311GQ-discord-verification) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
Rcteg (NA)
: These Yasuo nerfs went too far.
A reminder that Necro-posting in 1+ Month Old threads is not allowed. I will be soft locking this topic. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZfE311GQ-discord-verification) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: Can we please region lock servers?
Morning ToxicShacoPlayer, Speaking casually here for a moment, I've already had to deal with some rather harsh subject material this morning. So I'm inclined to only make this a 'tap' this morning so long as you promise to learn from it, kay? Deal? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} Anyway, this OP is in technical violation of a few universal rules. Whenever you take an entire Ethnicity/Region of people and apply a 'common behavior' to them that is judging-by-Race. Be it a positive connotation or a negative one. Even language such as this qualifies as what we call 'casual' Racism: " I have ~~forgotten~~ blocked out all the ~~mexicans~~"jajajajajajajaja"" The UR for Naming/Shaming counts for collective groups of people as well as individuals. And in that list you'll find this quantification: "Posts that accuse others of causing a negative in-game experience." Such as your post's contents, which links intentional lagging and communication failures to Chinese and Japanese regions. So let's just consider any commentary combination of (Race/Ethnicity) + (Behavior Trait) taboo sentence structure and that'll keep the peace pretty nicely. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZfE311GQ-discord-verification) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: I've noticed something about people who say Darius is OP
Hey everyone; A reminder that thread Necromancy is against the Universal Rules. So I'm going to be soft-locking this post. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZfE311GQ-discord-verification) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: New Honor System?
As per the patch notes (emphasis mine): "Honor will be activated at _**some point**_ during this patch." Treat the Honor system like new Skins. They're in there, just waiting for the activation signal to go out.
Thr34t (NA)
: Waiting in queue for nearly 17 minutes should give you your role
@BigBellBrute & @THR34T Both of you need to calm down and separate for the time being. You're both engaging in personal attacks and I really don't want to have to tag the both of you with deletions tonight. Please consider that 'walking away' is a viable options for engagements of this kind and refrain from tearing down your 'opponent' on a personal level just because you disagree with their stance. Kindly do not remake this subject for a while so that heads can cool. Thank you. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZfE311GQ-discord-verification) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: NEW CHAPION!!!!
Afternoon TruelyAwesome~ You certain seem to have enthusiasm for this idea of yours. XD However I'm afraid Gameplay is not the proper location for discussions of community created Champion concepts or executions. For that I would like to redirect you to the Concepts & Creations board, linked below. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts Please feel free to repost your idea over there, as we cannot manually relocate threads. Thank you for your time and hopefully you get some feedback to help you flesh out this idea. ^_^ If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
baayveer (NA)
: urgot rework voice actor and thoughts plz riot
Morning baayveer, Anything related to feedback on champion design and sound elements belongs in the Story, Art, & Sound forum linked below. :3 I cannot move your post, so I'm going to have to ask you to remake it there. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: Hecarim's gameplay is good but his visuals aren't matching with his Shadow centaur's personality
Morning Vanguard Prince, Anything regarding a Champion's visual appearance is a subject better discussed over in Story, Art, & Sound. ^_^ I'll pass you a link to the location below. Sadly I cannot move topics so I'm going to have to ask you to remake it outright in the appropriate location. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
Lyseth (NA)
: An early game roster?
Morning Lyseth, Because I know it used to be 'forum tradition' I'm going to be applying a soft lock here instead of tagging your account with a Post Deletion. But please remember that in the Boards system bumping is against the Universal Rules. Spamming/Trolling -> Bumping of discussions with no additional context If the community has nothing they want to say on your topic, or it is just generally ill received, please wait at least a full day or two before trying again. Additionally consider revising the way you phrase things or your general approach to the subject in order to help gain feedback in a timely manner. Half of your OP is just an aggressive snipe against the current meta; which tends to not attract the feedback you are presumably looking for. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
DKing09 (NA)
: Mastery tokens
The Mastery system can be a bit of a weird bird at times when it comes to Grades. I don't think anyone has the 'exacts' but there's a fair amount known about things that influence your Grade. So I can help out a little bit. :3 -First and foremost; Grades are **not** comparable between different Champions and different roles. A 'Jungle-Warwick' uses an entirely different metric from a 'Bot-Ezreal'. Even with the same champion, a 'Bot-Ezreal' vs a 'Top-Ezreal' uses two different metrics for determining what Grade you get. Different roles have different score requirements. I 'think' it also factors in your role opponent as well, but don't hold me to that one. -Another thing to remember is you're competing against every other player who has played that Champion in that Role. So if you're playing someone who is popular, can potentially gain lots of kills while getting few deaths, or any factor like that, the S-Grade is going to be exceptionally hard to hit because people have set the bar exceptionally high. (This doesn't even begin to count outliers such as 5-man groups intentionally funneling every resource possible into their S-designated teammate to artificially secure an S-Grade.) -That said, there are a few points of improvement I can see for that game you linked. For one, your CS score is fairly average among your team and likely 'pretty low' for a marksman; which are expected to have the highest CS on their team by a pretty wide margin. Additionally, your 'Vision Score' (which also plays a significant part in your Grade) is honestly about as low as possible. You only placed 1 Ward that entire game (with your trinket's timer you should have placed at least 5 of those, if not 6); with zero Control Wards destroyed and zero purchased/placed. If you want to reach that S start trying to land more last hits and be a loooot more proactive with your Wards. That should help you out quite a bit. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: Lee Sin Gameplay Update: Goals and Directions [JOKE]
Morning everyone, So...this post represents a rather unique issue for me. While it is marked as a joke I think the satirical commentary actually opens the doors to some legitimate Lee Sin discussion opportunities. Finding that fine line between the territories of 'too sarcastic to be of value', 'too memetic to encourage discussions', and 'satire that has a point' is a really difficult thing to do. For now, I'm going to let this one have a pass and see what comes of it.
Casual little peek in here. Nothing serious. Just a note that marking your post's content with statements essentially asking for 'haters' to pop in qualifies as a Bait Post and does little to foster constructive conversation. I do not want to have to tag this post because letting both sides of an issue have a field to camp in is a healthy part of debate I feel. But let's not encourage bitter replies in the future, alright? Consider this a nudge towards posters as well. Remember the 'Don't be a jerk' rule please.
: LOOOKING FOR FLEX PEOPLE WHO ARE GOLD AND SILVER IN FLEX ALSO MUST JUNGLE
Morning The Vigil Knight~ Hope you find people to play with. :3 However here is not the place to do so. You're looking for Player Recruitment. I cannot move your topic manually, so I will link you the appropriate place for you to remake your post below. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/team-recruitment If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
ZMahdi (NA)
: Just got hacked and the hacker played 3 ranked games and won 2 XD
Morning ZMahdi Gameplay forums will not be able to provide you proper help for this issue. I cannot move threads so I'm going to have to redirect you to make this post again in the Help & Support forum. Additionally, if you haven't already, I suggest you change your password and file a ticket with Player Support asap! https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/osqw6G4M If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: So Twisted Tree line. . . ???
Odds are you're running into the same issue players did when Dominion was around. If you rarely touch a specific mode your MMR is going to be quite low. The lower MMRs, of the lesser used modes, are where farming bots tend to hang out. Once you raise your MMR up enough though you eventually pass that threshold and leave them behind. Twisted Treeline has actually been a rather enjoyable experience for me. The players are a lot more even tempered and far friendlier than SR, on average. Edging out ARAM even as the most banter-friendly map. If you suspect someone of botting while playing TT just fill out a report at the end of game and it'll be looked into. :3
: An open letter to Riot
Evening Mayotrain Sorry to say but the Gameplay forums is not the correct location for Esports feedback and we do not have the tools to manually relocate errant topics. Please, repost your content in the appropriate Board linked below, Esports. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/esports This way your concerns can be placed in the right area for the right eyes to see it! If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
HeIIhound (EUNE)
: Custom skin
Afternoon Hellhound~ Discussion of this subject would be better suited for one of our other boards. (Such as General Discussion or Miscellaneous.) However since I happen to know the answer to this one I'll help you out here before sealing this up. Riot's official stance on Custom Skins has always been 'don't do it'. Simply because the modifications that happen in order to make custom skins visible can and do trip the security measures in place they use to detect Botting, Scripting, and other illegal 3rd party tools. So utilizing custom skins is very much a 'at your own risk' action which really isn't worth it at the end of the day. So if you're worried about bans, play it safe and avoid them. ^_^ If not...well...godspeed my friend. XD If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
0tx (EUW)
: cant log in?
Hey there Otx~ Sorry to hear about the issues you're having, however this is the wrong board to ask and I'm afraid we cannot move locations manually. Please remake your thread in the Help & Support boards. And also consider filing a support ticket! https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/osqw6G4M If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: BFerrisTV - Fiora Video - Feedback Appriciated!
Hiyas Finn Balor~ Eedat is indeed correct. Youtube and Twitch video posts are being shuffled over to the Concepts & Creations Board. We cannot manually move threads, so I'm going to have to seal this one and let you remake it in the appropriate zone. Also, because procedure, I'm going to relink the C&C board below even though Eedat beat me to it. XD https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
XXshot (NA)
: Michael Jackson New champ
Hello XXshot~ Depending on your intention, there are a few different places you can re-post this thread. -If you meant this as a report/discussion of this Glitch, please remake your thread in Report A Bug so that the appropriate eyes may see it. -If you meant this as a lighthearted chat topic, it would best be redirected towards General Discussion. (Or perhaps Memes & Games if you're aiming for more a joke-topic.) If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: Are you gonna stop putting unranked players in high silver/low gold games?
Morning everyone. Alright...normally I would give this a pass but I'm getting enough pings on both sides here that I think everyone involved should just take a short time to drop the subject and let heads cool. We can discuss the pros/cons of the current placement system without things devolving into back and forth sniping. So give it a few hours, then we can come back and revisit this again, kay? If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: Can Illaoi get some much needed bug fixes?
Morning Bubbaman73~ Short and sweet here. If there is a bug you know of with any champion or League of Legends mechanic, the appropriate place to post about it is in the Report a Bug forums. If you would like to specify exactly 'what' this bug is and the known ways to reproduce it, feel free to remake your topic in the forum linked below! https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report That way it can be seen by the appropriate staff members. :3 If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: Riot, your videos for new content and new content have been SUCKING ASS lately, remember these?
Hey QuickerBlade, Login Screens, and all feedback related to them and other League of Legends art assets, do not go in the Gameplay board. I will link you to Story, Art, & Sound below. You will need to remake your thread there as we do not have the tools to manually move topics. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
F3ORA (NA)
: Tips from the Worlds best Fiora F3ORA (Pinned)
Greetings F3ora, I'm just gonna keep this simple. 1) Let's not make 'Pin Begging'/misdirection a thing. 2) Try to avoid negative-bait commentary about the Boards community which may provoke tempers. If you want to remake the topic without the (Pinned), Section 16, and the asking-for-pins vote I'll have no problems with your second pass. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: Has anyone else experienced a huge influx of foreigners in games?
Morning, Afk Warding. While I am 'mostly' certain your tone is not intended as such, this nuzzles up against the Universal Rule forbidding 'Hate Speech' against Ethnicity/Race. That's a rather nasty slope to slide down and I'd rather air on the side of caution here than allowing a possible precedent to slip through. There are people from all cultures and races with rage issues. And foreign text does not automatically equal a foreign national. Someone may just simply think they're being clever by putting their High School/College elective language class to 'colorful' use. Let's try not to use Ethnicity or Race as a call-out card for behaviors and I'll be plenty content to just leave at this okay? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: I get turrets are supposed to be weak to shorten game times but...
While I do agree that 'Turret Strength' is an issue the community has voiced many times, I'm not entirely certain this specific example is one that helps prove a point. It's a little hard for my eyes to see in the GIF, but you're...Level 14 at that time, correct? And that's an Outer turret? Outer turrets are (should be) designed to fend off attackers in the early game and begin scaling downwards in effectiveness towards the start of the mid-game. Levels 1-6 being danger zones and Levels 7 to...let's say 12 being 'meh'. I have no problems personally with a 'Outer' tower specifically being about as threatening as a declawed kitten by the time people have hit Level 14; as you should likely be on the Inner, if not the Inhibitor turrets by then. Now, if that were an Inhibitor Turret doing that...then yeah. We've got a problem if our strongest base defenses cannot overcome a tankless Teemo. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} Have you tried matching this up against the Inhibitor turrets to see if the tanking duration is still unreasonably high?
swaperx (NA)
: Limit of skins from hextech?
As far as I know, there are no limits on the type of content you can get out of a box. It's just an unfortunate side effect of the beast. I've never been fond of them personally but that's just my own biases. Hopefully you'll have better luck with your future boxes!
iPragola (NA)
: Time Sensitive Request
Hey there iPragola~ I'm sorry to hear you are having difficult with something this important to you. :o Despite being related to ranked though, Gameplay is not where you are going to find help for your problem. Due to the way Boards function, I cannot move threads around. So instead I'm going to have to close this and ask you to remake your thread in the appropriate location: Help & Support https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/osqw6G4M That is where you are most likely to get someone to see your issue. Best of luck to you with it! If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: things to be nerfed
Evening Ninjawarrior69, While I know this might not be the most fun thing to hear, with the advent of the Warden system we are soon going to start more strictly applying the Universal Rules to many of the threads that used to get free passes around here. As is, your current thread falls under this issue: Category - Spamming / Trolling Specific Rule - Making repetitive non-constructive or low effort content. There is nothing wrong with having issues with the items and Champions you list. However just stating "I have a problem" without anything to back up your point as to 'why' you think this is an issue does little to help you, the community, to any Rioter passing by looking to for feedback. If you want to simply chime in that you think something is wrong with these specific issues; we do have similar themed topics that pass through here on a regular basis that you can hop onto and comment in. Otherwise, I would ask that you try to at least write down a few lines summarizing the specifics of your problems with each individual Champion/Item in threads like this. Due to the newness of our transition, I am not going to take any actions or even consider this an 'official' warning of sort. Just please keep that in mind for all your future Gameplay endeavors okay~? Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: I like your little character. How do I get one.
Aww, thank you~. You'll have to commission an artist you like to make one for you. Hang around some of the art community sites and you'll tend to find people posting when they're open, their price points, ect. in their journals and the like. Just make sure you're polite to them and have patience for any number of order delays! :3
: > [{quoted}](name=Sakuri Ono,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BxEKasOU,comment-id=0025,timestamp=2017-06-16T02:03:20.900+0000) > > Hello everyone~! The timing of this topic actually couldn't be any better as the Warden program just released a whole bunch of us into the fray. > > There should be a proper introduction thread soon, but for now I am 1/4th of your new Gameplay board specific Wardens and this particular issue is something we've had quite a few days of discussion about. Allow me just a tiny bit of banner raising to pin this comment so more people can see that plans are indeed in motion. > > And for all you TL;DR people, feel free to Control + F down to the "Plan of the Week" > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} > > Now for the meat of things. Just _what_ can we do/want to do about high influx of subjects like 'Rengar' that, while obviously having a very strongly passionate community behind them, tend to bog down the boards in a lot of similar, low-impact, topic spam. > > First, we need to look at 'why' this tends to happen. Over time there's this general 'history' in the community, even going back to the days of the original Forum system, that in order to gain Riot's attention you need to be loud, boisterous, if not downright aggressive to get the coveted 'Red Post' confirming that your topic has indeed gotten attention. While, admittedly, this has worked in a few rare cases; we've noticed this has led to a more aggressive environment over time with less and less constructive-styled feedback popping up. In tandem with this, Riot posts have turned up less commonly as well. > > Then of course you have the side 'whys' like bandwagoning, 5 seconds-in-spotlight-ect. > > So what can be done/what do we plan to do about it? > > Well, as they say in the old Western movies: _There's a new sheriff in town._ > > Now, before we give off the wrong idea here, we're talked this through quite a bit and none of us want to take the 'purify by flames' approach at all. In fact just discouraging and/or deleting posts left, right, and center wound end badly for everyone. We're quite well studied on the 'Us vs the Mods' era back when Boards first began. Instead we'd like to try a few 'reward' systems on top of just simply enforcing the rules on a fundamental level. Here's the two biggest points of action we're focusing on right now. > > **"Plan of the Week"** > > _Megathreads_ > > So what 'is' a Megathread? A Megathread is a combination of, what normally is dozens of different ideas scattered across individual threads, all wrapped up into a singular post. With proper formatting (and a ToC list) people can quickly see if their point has been made, offer new points, content current points, ect. All in the comment's section of a single thread. > > We would like to think this could have three great side effect for the community here as a whole. > > -Those who go to the effort to maintain Megathreads, on issues that come and go such as this Rengar moment, can potentially see their threads Pinned for maximum Riot visibility. We're still discussing the 'qualifications' for what hits this critical mass point, but be assured it is a hotbed issue in our minds at the moment. > > -With a pinned discussion, containing a LOT of constructive critique of an issue, we're hoping this will more positively encourage Rioters to have a spot to leave feedback on the issues you, the community, feel need some form of addressing. > > -Additionally, this incentive should help give people reasons to gravitate towards centralized threads; rather than spinning out as many clone-topics as possible. > > _Enforcement of the Universal Rules_ > > Now, for the sake of clarity and sanity, we know that even the most Positive minded of solutions isn't going to be a 100% fix. People will still want to make their own topics (which is fine in and of itself!), people will still bandwagon. However, at least half of the current issue we and the community have with this can be addressed by applying the Universal Rules themselves. You will likely see these ones in particular enforced quite a bit in the near future. > > **Spamming / Trolling** > _-Posting designed to bait conversation or falsify content_ > _-Making repetitive non-constructive or low effort content_ > _-Bumping of discussions with no additional context_ > > Let's be honest on both ends, there are quite a few posts containing merely a few lines, of things already more constructively covered in other threads or said purely just to anger people into replying. In recent history these have simply slid through due to being 'topic of the moment' relevant and Upvoted highly enough to stick around far longer than they should. > > Aside from directly reported topics, these will likely be the ones most likely to be sealed up by us. > > Together we're hoping these two approaches will help with quite a few of the issues you've brought up in this thread and discussion! > > Please, if you have any feedback, questions, concerns fire away! The Wardens are all ears for things the Community would like to see happen as well; as we're going to do everything in our power to make our transition a two-way street. > > Regards~ > > > http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg Hi, I am one of the people from Rengarmains. Is the ability to make a megathread already available? If so, I'm sure we would make one big post, that lists a bunch of our ideas, hoping it gets pinned instead of making a bunch of different posts. Thanks!
> [{quoted}](name=Ctrl Altt Rengar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BxEKasOU,comment-id=00250005,timestamp=2017-06-16T20:29:57.623+0000) > > Hi, I am one of the people from Rengarmains. Is the ability to make a megathread already available? If so, I'm sure we would make one big post, that lists a bunch of our ideas, hoping it gets pinned instead of making a bunch of different posts. Thanks! I just had a chat with the other Wardens for Gameplay. :3 Right now we're still hashing out the pros/cons of the Pin system but you are more than welcome to try and make one! Give us a ping when it's done (all our names are in the pinned Warden thread) and that'll help expedite conversation amongst us. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Sakuri Ono,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BxEKasOU,comment-id=0025,timestamp=2017-06-16T02:03:20.900+0000) > > Hello everyone~! The timing of this topic actually couldn't be any better as the Warden program just released a whole bunch of us into the fray. > > There should be a proper introduction thread soon, but for now I am 1/4th of your new Gameplay board specific Wardens and this particular issue is something we've had quite a few days of discussion about. Allow me just a tiny bit of banner raising to pin this comment so more people can see that plans are indeed in motion. > > And for all you TL;DR people, feel free to Control + F down to the "Plan of the Week" > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} > > Now for the meat of things. Just _what_ can we do/want to do about high influx of subjects like 'Rengar' that, while obviously having a very strongly passionate community behind them, tend to bog down the boards in a lot of similar, low-impact, topic spam. > > First, we need to look at 'why' this tends to happen. Over time there's this general 'history' in the community, even going back to the days of the original Forum system, that in order to gain Riot's attention you need to be loud, boisterous, if not downright aggressive to get the coveted 'Red Post' confirming that your topic has indeed gotten attention. While, admittedly, this has worked in a few rare cases; we've noticed this has led to a more aggressive environment over time with less and less constructive-styled feedback popping up. In tandem with this, Riot posts have turned up less commonly as well. > > Then of course you have the side 'whys' like bandwagoning, 5 seconds-in-spotlight-ect. > > So what can be done/what do we plan to do about it? > > Well, as they say in the old Western movies: _There's a new sheriff in town._ > > Now, before we give off the wrong idea here, we're talked this through quite a bit and none of us want to take the 'purify by flames' approach at all. In fact just discouraging and/or deleting posts left, right, and center wound end badly for everyone. We're quite well studied on the 'Us vs the Mods' era back when Boards first began. Instead we'd like to try a few 'reward' systems on top of just simply enforcing the rules on a fundamental level. Here's the two biggest points of action we're focusing on right now. > > **"Plan of the Week"** > > _Megathreads_ > > So what 'is' a Megathread? A Megathread is a combination of, what normally is dozens of different ideas scattered across individual threads, all wrapped up into a singular post. With proper formatting (and a ToC list) people can quickly see if their point has been made, offer new points, content current points, ect. All in the comment's section of a single thread. > > We would like to think this could have three great side effect for the community here as a whole. > > -Those who go to the effort to maintain Megathreads, on issues that come and go such as this Rengar moment, can potentially see their threads Pinned for maximum Riot visibility. We're still discussing the 'qualifications' for what hits this critical mass point, but be assured it is a hotbed issue in our minds at the moment. > > -With a pinned discussion, containing a LOT of constructive critique of an issue, we're hoping this will more positively encourage Rioters to have a spot to leave feedback on the issues you, the community, feel need some form of addressing. > > -Additionally, this incentive should help give people reasons to gravitate towards centralized threads; rather than spinning out as many clone-topics as possible. > > _Enforcement of the Universal Rules_ > > Now, for the sake of clarity and sanity, we know that even the most Positive minded of solutions isn't going to be a 100% fix. People will still want to make their own topics (which is fine in and of itself!), people will still bandwagon. However, at least half of the current issue we and the community have with this can be addressed by applying the Universal Rules themselves. You will likely see these ones in particular enforced quite a bit in the near future. > > **Spamming / Trolling** > _-Posting designed to bait conversation or falsify content_ > _-Making repetitive non-constructive or low effort content_ > _-Bumping of discussions with no additional context_ > > Let's be honest on both ends, there are quite a few posts containing merely a few lines, of things already more constructively covered in other threads or said purely just to anger people into replying. In recent history these have simply slid through due to being 'topic of the moment' relevant and Upvoted highly enough to stick around far longer than they should. > > Aside from directly reported topics, these will likely be the ones most likely to be sealed up by us. > > Together we're hoping these two approaches will help with quite a few of the issues you've brought up in this thread and discussion! > > Please, if you have any feedback, questions, concerns fire away! The Wardens are all ears for things the Community would like to see happen as well; as we're going to do everything in our power to make our transition a two-way street. > > Regards~ > > > http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg This tends to happen because riot goes silent when they change a champion or invest zero time into a rework they failed. Didn't see any "Wardens" when ADC mains flooded the boards with rengar complaints. Also, this is just another way to keep the mains silent by hushing their voices when they are finally fed up with these devs wanting to take their enjoyment out of league.
> [{quoted}](name=Sinister Rengar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BxEKasOU,comment-id=00250004,timestamp=2017-06-16T19:25:32.038+0000) > > This tends to happen because riot goes silent when they change a champion or invest zero time into a rework they failed. Didn't see any "Wardens" when ADC mains flooded the boards with rengar complaints. Also, this is just another way to keep the mains silent by hushing their voices when they are finally fed up with these devs wanting to take their enjoyment out of league. This currently influx of Wardens only just got the 'Fly, my pretties!' all of 24 hours ago. XD And it's quite the opposite hun~. We're looking for ways to make your concerns delivered more directly and efficiently. About all repeated content battery does to a board is make its readers go "Oh, another X thread" and just skip it entirely; even if it has a large number of upvotes. Considering these threads also have a history of being hyper-aggressive, if not purely memetic with no real constructive feedback, Riot's smaller posting trends over the years speak for themselves I believe. In short, the ultimate goal is making sure the 'Mains' get answers to their questions, in a quicker manner, as situations like this arise in the future.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sakuri Ono,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o3dOcN1V,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-06-16T14:57:40.519+0000) > > *deep breath* Okay, I have probably a bit more than usual to say here. I would encourage you to read all of it before this discussion continues any further. > > First and foremost to other posters. Please be respectful and treat this as a learning experience for all of us. I'm going to be a bit lenient here but that also means I will not have as much leeway left for the 'traditional' "Ha, ha, the Mod tagged you" behaviors I have seen exhibited in the past regarding things like Chat Logs. > > We cool? > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} > > Now, Bultz, I can tell you're extreme passionate about your Champion and it likely took quite a bit of time to make this post. I do recognize that the long lifespan of Gameplay has allowed certain types of responses and attitude to thrive, becoming treated just as 'normally' as trash talk within other communities, such as the Fighting Game sector. > > However we're looking to slowly draw the line as to what kinds of behaviors are and are not acceptable here on the Gameplay boards. > > Your passion is fine. Saying that other's may not have as strong of an argument as yourself, due to levels of experience and proficiency, is fine. > > So long as you do so in a constructive, non-demeaning manner. > > Diminishing your opponent's stance through actions such as calling them children, belittling their counters preemptively as tantrums, and 'Rank Shaming' are things that do, in a few different ways, violate the Universal Rules of these boards. Additionally, it's just a tiny bit rude to approach what should be an equal debate with such hostility right out the gate. > > Now, again, because this has been a loooong running problem with these boards I am not seeking to take any heavy action at this time. No closings, no deletions. > > But in return you have to do something for me. > > Please, do try to maintain a more level approach to your problems with an issue from now on. I would absolutely adore it if you would even take the time to edit your post to be far less hostile than it is now. However, I would like to be kind to you and not even make this a requirement of our talk here this morning. > > If nothing else, let's take a break from this subject. Cool off. And try again later with a much gentler approach hmm? :3 > > If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) > > Regards, > http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg Okay, cool. I get your point, but let me ask you, where you at when I am being flamed for saying anything about yasuo. Everyone trolling Yasuo threads. The constant bad mouthing we get. Cause I get a lot of shit by other players. No one ever checks any of them. Funny you're trying to tell me to be cool and no one else. Ever. Interesting. Very interesting. Maybe you should give this speech to riot when they call us non-human for playing Yasuo. Could solve a lot.
> [{quoted}](name=Bultz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o3dOcN1V,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-06-16T15:23:34.506+0000) > > Okay, cool. I get your point, but let me ask you, where you at when I am being flamed for saying anything about yasuo. Everyone trolling Yasuo threads. The constant bad mouthing we get. Cause I get a lot of shit by other players. No one ever checks any of them. Funny you're trying to tell me to be cool and no one else. Ever. Interesting. Very interesting. Maybe you should give this speech to riot when they call us non-human for playing Yasuo. Could solve a lot. There are other pretty chill people out there. Problem is they tend to be more quiet so they're much harder to spot over the roars of anger and knee-jerk reactions you see in high emotion games/communities. I'll be honest with you. It's never the 'fun' or 'easy' answer to hear but when someone flames or provokes you, just don't respond. Ever. Leaving them be does nothing to hamper your own point. I know that seems doubly difficult around Reddit style communities when you factor in things such as a 'up/down vote' system but we're working slowly to curb this one little bit at a time. I cannot speak for Riot directly, but I do not think they see you as a non-human player. To them Yasuo, the champion, is a product. A product for people to purchase, a product they can sell endless 'DLC' for in the form of skins, ect., ect. When the community bans Yasuo to such a degree that he is 'practically never' seeing play that means they're sitting with a 'dead product' on their shelves. Riot, first and foremost, is a company. Companies exist to make profit. So if a product isn't making a profit...what do you do? You either remove the product entirely or you update/replace it in such a way that customers will want to interact with/spend money on your product again. For people who love and adore their Champions just the way they are...I can understand this would be vexxing. After all if you're gonna lose your darling, you want it to be for some grand, martyr-ish reason; if you must. Speaking personally, I've gone through pretty much this exact phase when it came to Dominion. Unfortunately I never got to keep any old vestige of my home mode. It's gone forever now. Am I still a little bitter at Riot about it? Yep, I would be a liar to say otherwise. But I don't think I'm considered any less of a human than their other players just because they removed my favorite thing. Who knows, you might even like this new Yasuo even better! And if you curb the more negative aspects of your tone-approach, you can still contribute to trying to 'save' what you love about current Yasuo the most. There is historical precedent for Riot listening to the community on their strongest points of feedback when remaking things. So give it your all, but be open as possible about it~! That's my two cents anyway. Hopefully it helped you out just a little bit. ^_^
KoKoboto (NA)
: @Sakurai Ono https://i.redd.it/m96n0klduqky.png
Got a pretty good giggle out of that in my sleepy state. Much appreciated~. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: So they didn't want to nerf yasuo cause of his absence in competitive play
It is okay to not enjoy someone else's hobbies, CrabPeopleReform. However it is usually best in all things to avoid demeaning others just because they enjoy something you do not. Please avoid doing so in future posts you may make on this Board okay? You can counter other's posts, as needed, without resorting to Personal Attacks. Which are, as I will remind you, a violation of the Universal Rules. I will be locking this thread for now so that cooler heads may prevail. And because I know you do not like anime, I will even spare you my usual business signature. Because compromise on lesser points is how we foster a better discussion environment. ^_^ If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards. Sakuri Ono
Arnypenge (EUNE)
: Fix Nightbringer Yasuo.
Hello Arnypenge~ As was mentioned above, direct commentary/requests revolving around art, from splash art to particle effects, do belong in the Story, Art, & Sound Boards in order to give you the most optimal chance at feedback! The Boards do not have the tools required to move threads from one location to another. So I would ask that you please kindly remake you thread in the board listed below. <3 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
Bultz (NA)
: "Yasuo Gets Banned"
*deep breath* Okay, I have probably a bit more than usual to say here. I would encourage you to read all of it before this discussion continues any further. First and foremost to other posters. Please be respectful and treat this as a learning experience for all of us. I'm going to be a bit lenient here but that also means I will not have as much leeway left for the 'traditional' "Ha, ha, the Mod tagged you" behaviors I have seen exhibited in the past regarding things like Chat Logs. We cool? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} Now, Bultz, I can tell you're extreme passionate about your Champion and it likely took quite a bit of time to make this post. I do recognize that the long lifespan of Gameplay has allowed certain types of responses and attitude to thrive, becoming treated just as 'normally' as trash talk within other communities, such as the Fighting Game sector. However we're looking to slowly draw the line as to what kinds of behaviors are and are not acceptable here on the Gameplay boards. Your passion is fine. Saying that other's may not have as strong of an argument as yourself, due to levels of experience and proficiency, is fine. So long as you do so in a constructive, non-demeaning manner. Diminishing your opponent's stance through actions such as calling them children, belittling their counters preemptively as tantrums, and 'Rank Shaming' are things that do, in a few different ways, violate the Universal Rules of these boards. Additionally, it's just a tiny bit rude to approach what should be an equal debate with such hostility right out the gate. Now, again, because this has been a loooong running problem with these boards I am not seeking to take any heavy action at this time. No closings, no deletions. But in return you have to do something for me. Please, do try to maintain a more level approach to your problems with an issue from now on. I would absolutely adore it if you would even take the time to edit your post to be far less hostile than it is now. However, I would like to be kind to you and not even make this a requirement of our talk here this morning. If nothing else, let's take a break from this subject. Cool off. And try again later with a much gentler approach hmm? :3 If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: Vi's ulti funny interaction
Greetings AnastasRA1~ I'm afraid I do not know the answer to your question. However Boards function differently than a normal Forum setting. If your thread does not receive a reply you need to let it set for a substantial time period before attempting to make a duplicate. Since you already have an older one active I'm going to seal up this one and let that serve as the primary; as it is still on the main page of 'New' threads. I hope you get your answer soon! If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: this doesn't apply to memes and games, right? how will I make one liner yasuo ban rate jokes with these rules if that is the case?
While we're not going to be 'bringing down the thunder' in any traditional sense, as far as I know only Gameplay is going to be the subject to 'stricter' moderation. Wardens are divided into which sub-section of the Boards they patrol. As a Gameplay Warden I have nothing to do with Memes & Games. Vice-versa for the M&G Wardens. ^_^ But they seem like a pretty friendly lot of if you're terribly worried about their plans for M&G feel free to contact any one of them and ask!
: Do you plan to pin this to the forum section as a whole so that everyone can see??? This seems like a change to be displayed to all.
We're taking time to discuss some of the specifics. But I think I can share some of them with you so long as you don't mind a big, blinking neon sign above this stating "THIS IS BUT A PROTOTYPE/CONCEPT". {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Pinning is indeed one of the discussed 'rewards' for a successful Megathread. However we're also aware of the flip side of this. We're not wanting the concept to degenerate into a bunch of skirmishes between users of "My thread was first" or "My thread has X, why didn't it get picked?". It's something we want to use to help the community develop route onto a less hostile track, not become a new battleground to fight over. Pin requirements are still very much a discussion point and I imagine we'll be visiting the subject for hashing out 'final plans' fairly soon. Especially seeing the positive reaction to the idea thus far. Just give us about a week or so to get 'accustomed' to being Wardens and then we can move onto the fun stuff~.
Douggie (NA)
: S3: Diamond 3, S7: Silver 2. For the love of god, help me.
Hey there Douggle! Very sorry to hear you're having that trouble. I lost a loooot of my friend base too when League shut down Dominion. So I know those feels all the way. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} Gameplay however is not the correct board to ask for people to play with. Sadly, Boards does not that the tools to move threads. However please feel welcome to remake this topic in the linked section below: Player Recruitment. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/team-recruitment If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
Zhypegodx (EUNE)
: Need help with picking the right champion
Personally I'd say you're in the right spot Zhypegodx. So you can relax. :3 {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} High mobility, range, AND burst huh? That's not a very common combination. Usually once you get two out of those three you have to give up the third in order to maintain some semblance of balance. I can throw a few suggestions of my own into the ring while letting people with more experience comment on the champions you specifically listed. Jinx sort of fits all three, as her range with Rocket-Q and W give her a nice bit of zoning potential. Her ultimate sort of serves as burst in the form of heavy execution damage (albeit a bit tricky to land at the proper distance). And when she gets a kill or pops a tower her move speed goes through the roof! So not so much early game mobility but enough to get you of a tricky trade. Kennen fits the trio-bill as well. Since his Q allows for constant, middle range harassing. He gets a nice little MS steroid for both engaging and escaping. If you want burst...well...if you've ever seen his Ult catch a cluster of enemies off guard then you'll find out quickly why he draws a lot of ire from people. XD And for good measure I'm going to toss out a vote for Ziggs. He's not hyper mobile, but once you learn how to use his W you can wall hop out of some pretty nasty corners. Range is pretty nice too due to bouncing bomb's extended line range. And then of course the ultimate just blasts anyone unlucky enough to be caught in the impact zone. Plus...you get the one of a kind 'tower burst execution' no other champion in the game has. I'm sure you'll find someone to your liking though. We're got quite a lot to pick from!
: is League trolling me
While I cannot claim to know the exact mechanics of the system, it helps if you think of the role selections less as 'Primary/Secondary' and just two blank slots of equivalence to be filled out with your 'Best 2 out of 5 choices'. I do believe it 'tries' to fill in your Primary as often as possible; however due to the vastly lower pick rate of certain roles the Secondary can just as often be selected as the Primary in order to help with overall queue time reduction. This doesn't even begin to factor in Autofill and Autofill Guard into the equation either. Sorry you've been having a hard time getting your roll. I hope that improves soon!
: Why is this game designed to keep you in low elo?
You cannot reference or link specific people to make points in threads such as this; which in theory could lead to harassment by others for any number of reasons. Linking your own profile is fine, I was clarifying to elaborate that 'Because I used myself as an example too' is not a justification for linking someone else. The rest of your question, as far as I can tell, is quite fair. ^_^ We're going through a transitional phase here on Gameplay as we, the Wardens, get used to the new system and as you, the users, get used to our style of moderation. Please do not let that discourage you from posting as a 'corrective lock' is not a punishment. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: Why is this game designed to keep you in low elo no matter what?
Greetings MIthStrifer, While Ranked can cause a great deal of frustration, I need to remind you that under the Universal Rules; calling out Specific Users for actions that can even remotely be viewed as 'negative' is not allowed under any circumstance. **Naming and Shaming** _Posts that accuse others of causing a negative in-game experience_ Even if you are offering a 'well here is my profile too' it is still not an action that we can allow. Please refrain from doing so in the future, no matter how frustrated you get with any individual. ^_^ If you have any questions or concerns regarding this action, you are free to reach us at the Moderation Discord [here](https://discord.gg/zjUGbwD) Regards, http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/SakuriOno/signature_zpsxvarnhru.jpg
: am never playing a game with an ally chogath until you fix him.
There's nothing wrong at all with offering criticism of a champion or mechanic you take issue with. I would be cautious now and in the future though of using thread titles that 'potentially' target and anger specific player bases. While not outright offensive, the tone of 'I will never play with X' puts people on the defensive immediately. So maybe try for something more neutral in the future. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} That said, I don't know about the high-end of things up at Ranked. But in casual I've seen Cho'gath do some pretty mean things. He doesn't always have to 'go in'. The long duration on his Silence already gives him a playing card most champions no longer have access to. And the damages on his roar and stomp aren't anything to sneeze at either when he lands. I've always felt Cho makes a better Off-Tank than a Direct Tank; although I guess these days that would be more the Fighter/Bruiser label wouldn't it? XD In games where your opponents do not have much front line he can be a nightmare to deal with. Especially with his newer stacking mechanic. He gets pretty healthy by around the mid-game turn and if you're the one having to engage/peel for your team the taking in excess of 800+ true damage right out the gate does you no favors. He's antiquated, certainly. Personally I see no point in his spikes outside of lane since most of the good ones just like to wait for ability cycling while meat-shielding their carries from blockable poke. So maybe we'll get something of a micro-rework down the road. Until then, try to at least give them half a chance. We can all do poorly with anyone on the right day. Statistically we're bound to find those 'weird, chained failures' that paint negative lights that are hard to toss.
: Yes but Sakuri this is the problem you HAVE to play with them first then you can report and chances are you will lose the match which is rank. I forgot to put in that yes we can report them after game but we HAVE to play with them first to report them and there is another problem. The troll can say "Well I'm going to feed if I don't get mid" but we might be lucky if we have a team mate who would dodge for us when we are on our promo that means the troll can't be reported while the nice person loses IP, That's the major problem if you ask me since the troll can get away without being reported or punished and trust me some people would rather dodge then play with a troll. Also thanks for replying to my post at least a person gives feed back.
> [{quoted}](name=LegendmakerGX,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzogNKG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-06-16T07:10:40.331+0000) > > Yes but Sakuri this is the problem you HAVE to play with them first then you can report and chances are you will lose the match which is rank. I forgot to put in that yes we can report them after game but we HAVE to play with them first to report them and there is another problem. > > The troll can say &quot;Well I&#x27;m going to feed if I don&#x27;t get mid&quot; but we might be lucky if we have a team mate who would dodge for us when we are on our promo that means the troll can&#x27;t be reported while the nice person loses IP, That&#x27;s the major problem if you ask me. > > Also thanks for replying to my post at least a person gives feed back. You're welcome. :3 Personally though I think it's at least better to give people the rope first. Then if they hang themselves well...at least they had the chance not to. For example, I've been experimenting with Support Vi lately and sometimes I get pre-game chat that basically amounts to the whole "If you lock that I'm going to troll". So far? I've been lucky in that no one has followed through. And we actually won those game to boot! So if I'd reported them/canceled the game we wouldn't have gotten those wins. It does bite that when cases like that go south it does have the side effect of hurting your promos/important games. But when there's a substantial risk of 'False Positive Punishment' Riot historically tries to lean as far on the 'I will give you a chance first' line of things. I'm sorry I can't offer anything more really than a rundown of the 'why' things are the way they are. But if you makes it feel better they are working on systems to generally improve the community. The Wardens, the revamped Honor system, and the 'discuss this chat log' they've been running in Player Behavior are all changes that are slowly being rolled out to try and make League of Legends more pleasant as a whole. We'll get there. Some day. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
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